Nadya,
I suggested one minor change to your patch in JIRA. Otherwise the patch
looks fine to me.
Thanks,
Pavel
On 11/15/06, Morozova, Nadezhda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi all,
I have attached an updated version of the patch for the getting started
page to the JIRA. If someone knowledgeable
On the 0x221 day of Apache Harmony Pavel Ozhdikhin wrote:
OK then for Configuring VM section JIT options proposed by Egor will be
suitable:
-Xem:jet - use only baseline JIT compiler
-Xem:opt - use only optimising JIT compiler
-Xtrace:em - print method compilation events
I'd also add:
Tim Ellison wrote:
Egor Pasko wrote:
BTW, I asked my dad to look at the website. Ideas for improvement from
him:
snip
This is loverly -- kudos to you.
When I asked my mum about class unloading support she just said 'what?'
Well, my grandmother felt that it was a bug in the GC, and should
It's hard for all of us. Better to be safe than sorry.
The doc content should include the license header in comment, and there
is a clear (c) at the bottom.
The license header refers to the NOTICE file.
Thanks for being conservative about this - it keeps us from getting into
trouble.
(I
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
Tim Ellison wrote:
Egor Pasko wrote:
BTW, I asked my dad to look at the website. Ideas for improvement from
him:
snip
This is loverly -- kudos to you.
When I asked my mum about class unloading support she just said 'what?'
Well, my grandmother felt that it
On the 0x221 day of Apache Harmony Geir Magnusson, Jr. wrote:
Tim Ellison wrote:
Egor Pasko wrote:
BTW, I asked my dad to look at the website. Ideas for improvement from
him:
snip
This is loverly -- kudos to you.
When I asked my mum about class unloading support she just said
On the 0x21D day of Apache Harmony Nadezhda Morozova wrote:
Egor,
I think we're mixing things up a bit, or at least our perceptions of
various docs. I'd not call what you're suggesting a tutorial - it's more
of a howto doc, right? We are lucky to have Salikh write this How to
write a GC? Doc
Ok,
I'll use http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HARMONY-2150 to get an
initial patch for the getting started document, and we can then work to
improve it.
Let's make it a short page with links to wiki and maybe some how-tos.
Thank you,
Nadya Morozova
-Original Message-
From: news
On the 0x220 day of Apache Harmony Nadezhda Morozova wrote:
Ok,
I'll use http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HARMONY-2150 to get an
initial patch for the getting started document, and we can then work to
improve it.
OK, I am watching it
Let's make it a short page with links to wiki and
-Original Message-
From: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Egor Pasko
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 12:40 PM
To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [doc][drlvm] The document Getting started with DRL is
outdated
On the 0x220 day of Apache Harmony Nadezhda Morozova
On the 0x220 day of Apache Harmony Nadezhda Morozova wrote:
-Original Message-
From: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Egor Pasko
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 12:40 PM
To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [doc][drlvm] The document Getting started with DRL is
Successfully added a patch to fix getting Started outdated content to
http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HARMONY-2150.
The patch is not final - need help to add more content. The current
structure is:
- overview
- running an app
- eclipse-related (now much shorter)
-- running an app
What about the portions of the Unicode copyright?
Thank you,
Nadya Morozova
-Original Message-
From: Geir Magnusson Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 5:06 PM
To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [doc][drlvm] The document Getting started with
what's the link we're talking about?
Morozova, Nadezhda wrote:
What about the portions of the Unicode copyright?
Thank you,
Nadya Morozova
-Original Message-
From: Geir Magnusson Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 5:06 PM
To:
http://incubator.apache.org/harmony/subcomponents/drlvm/getting_started.
html#Disclaimer
http://incubator.apache.org/harmony/subcomponents/drlvm/developers_guide
.html - these seem to have apache and intel copyright (can be resolved)
+ the Unicode disclaimer.
Thank you,
Nadya Morozova
Additional terms from the Database ? LOL
Just get rid of it all. Those terms are in our notice file, and that's
enough. Unicode didn't put them there, anyway.
geir
Morozova, Nadezhda wrote:
http://incubator.apache.org/harmony/subcomponents/drlvm/getting_started.
html#Disclaimer
Ok, thanks.
I somehow feel dumb with anything that deals with legal - copyrights,
contracts, licenses...oh! I'd erase all excess disclaimers from our
website with pleasure :)
Thank you,
Nadya Morozova
-Original Message-
From: Geir Magnusson Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday,
Nadya,
I've looked through your patch. Please see my comments in JIRA:
http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HARMONY-2150
Do you think we can add a link to debugging vmjit doc (or to wiki)?
I don't think we need it - it is rather info for developers than for users.
Any ideas on what to
Pavel,
Thanks for your comments. I'll work through the examples and post an
updated patch soon.
As for the Configuring VM operation - can we at least have a couple of
examples in the form of scenarios or something? The wiki page only gives
a reference, an enumeration of available options. Using
OK then for Configuring VM section JIT options proposed by Egor will be
suitable:
-Xem:jet - use only baseline JIT compiler
-Xem:opt - use only optimising JIT compiler
-Xtrace:em - print method compilation events
I'd also add:
-Xem:server - enable dynamic optimization mode tuned for
On the 0x21D day of Apache Harmony Nadezhda Morozova wrote:
Good day to you, Egor!
evening, dark and snowy evening :)
What do you say about the getting started doc?
I expressed it recently. General idea is that Harmony operates near
the same as other JSE implementations. Almost all specifics
Nadya,
One more proposal about Getting Started: let's remove all current content
and write something like following:
To the moment we got rid of all major differences from other Java
implementations, so to use DRLVM you can just build it (here goes link to
readme with build instructions) and
On the 0x21D day of Apache Harmony Pavel Ozhdikhin wrote:
Nadya,
One more proposal about Getting Started: let's remove all current content
and write something like following:
To the moment we got rid of all major differences from other Java
implementations, so to use DRLVM you can just
Guys,
I like good tutorials. I learned VIM using a tutorial. I don't need the
VIM tutorial any longer, but at the beginning it was useful.
+1 for maintain Getting Started as is with minor changes
Why Eclipse was chosen for the tutorial? Our goal was to use Harmony for
Harmony
Alexei,
Tutorials might be fine for mature projects, but I do not think ours is
ready for a big flow of users yet, that would require a tutorial.
So +1 for having a nice good tutorial ... one day.
If there are volunteers to write the tutorial now, I'd be happy to help
though.
Thank you,
Nadya
+1 for having some getting started info on a separate page.
There are some things that need to stand out promptly, and probably
newbie info is one of them (I mean, I'd want to have such a page when I
got started with this project).
We can expand the text suggested by Pavel by adding:
* links to
On the 0x21D day of Apache Harmony Nadezhda Morozova wrote:
Alexei,
Tutorials might be fine for mature projects, but I do not think ours is
ready for a big flow of users yet, that would require a tutorial.
we _are_ mature for a small tutorial :)
So +1 for having a nice good tutorial ... one
On the 0x21D day of Apache Harmony Nadezhda Morozova wrote:
+1 for having some getting started info on a separate page.
There are some things that need to stand out promptly, and probably
newbie info is one of them (I mean, I'd want to have such a page when I
got started with this project).
We did put *some* thought into it ;)
geir
Egor Pasko wrote:
On the 0x21D day of Apache Harmony Nadezhda Morozova wrote:
Egor,
I generally like the idea of improving navigation over the site -
there's never too much of that. However, I am not sure whether we need
yet another separate page for
Morozova, Nadezhda wrote:
Alexei,
Tutorials might be fine for mature projects, but I do not think ours is
ready for a big flow of users yet, that would require a tutorial.
So +1 for having a nice good tutorial ... one day.
If there are volunteers to write the tutorial now, I'd be happy to
Geir, all,
I did not mean to delete info that is relevant. It's just that the old
getting started is old and not so good. Specifics:
- all cmd options are out of date; recent options are stored on wiki and
explained in jit-related docs (we'll seem them once the unresolved jiras
are applied); old
Egor,
I think we're mixing things up a bit, or at least our perceptions of
various docs. I'd not call what you're suggesting a tutorial - it's more
of a howto doc, right? We are lucky to have Salikh write this How to
write a GC? Doc - do you mean something similar for DRLVM Command-line
Args
Nadya,
I think fixing a tutorial is a nice task for a newbie. I have filed a
JIRA about it:
http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HARMONY-2150
All,
Please check that I've correctly added your corrections to the document.
Alexei
On 11/10/06, Morozova, Nadezhda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Alexei,
Egor,
+1 for
Just idea: Getting Started may contain a collection of links to the
main website and other resources with short descriptions (Site Map
or something) so that people are comfortable floating around in the web.
+1 for
* preparing the Commonly Used Options for DRLVM (omitting the word
Those were the copyrights required by our legal at the donation time. I
share your concern. We probably need a massive review/cleanup of our
legal lines. The disclaimers (number and placement) varies between
different docs.
Thank you,
Nadya Morozova
-Original Message-
From: Alexei
yah, I've been pitching them when i run across them... :)
geir
Morozova, Nadezhda wrote:
Those were the copyrights required by our legal at the donation time. I
share your concern. We probably need a massive review/cleanup of our
legal lines. The disclaimers (number and placement) varies
On 11/9/06, Morozova, Nadezhda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Egor,
+1 for
Just idea: Getting Started may contain a collection of links to the
main website and other resources with short descriptions (Site Map
or something) so that people are comfortable floating around in the web.
We already
On the 0x21C day of Apache Harmony Pavel Ozhdikhin wrote:
On 11/9/06, Morozova, Nadezhda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Egor,
+1 for
Just idea: Getting Started may contain a collection of links to the
main website and other resources with short descriptions (Site Map
or something) so that
Morozova, Nadezhda wrote:
* preparing the Commonly Used Options for DRLVM (omitting the word
supported intentionally)
Question on this one: will the page contain vm-only options? What about
JIT, GC, other? I'd have them all in one place, but we have separate
docs for EM/jit stuff. What do
Egor,
I generally like the idea of improving navigation over the site -
there's never too much of that. However, I am not sure whether we need
yet another separate page for introductory/guidance info. I hope the
starting page + the generic pages we have are mostly fine. However,
adding a link here
On the 0x21D day of Apache Harmony Nadezhda Morozova wrote:
Egor,
I generally like the idea of improving navigation over the site -
there's never too much of that. However, I am not sure whether we need
yet another separate page for introductory/guidance info. I hope the
starting page + the
Good day to you, Egor!
What do you say about the getting started doc?
Thank you,
Nadya Morozova
-Original Message-
From: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Egor Pasko
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 8:55 AM
To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [doc][drlvm] The
Hello all,
I've read through the Getting Started with
DRLhttp://incubator.apache.org/harmony/subcomponents/drlvm/getting_started.html
document on the Harmony web and found it completely outdated, for example:
- the term DRL is used instead of DRLVM
- eclipse.bat and eclipse.sh are obsolete
Pavel,
JIRA and patch are welcome :)
SY, Alexey
2006/11/8, Pavel Ozhdikhin [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Hello all,
I've read through the Getting Started with
DRLhttp://incubator.apache.org/harmony/subcomponents/drlvm/getting_started.html
document on the Harmony web and found it completely outdated, for
It's not a hard to write a documenation once, it's hard to support it :)
More problems:
1) -Xem options are obsolete.
2) -Xjit options are also obsolete.
3) Do we really need this page today? AFAIU users expect Harmony VM is able
to run the same apps as RI..
?
On 11/8/06, Pavel Ozhdikhin [EMAIL
All,
I'd like to share everyone's grief at the sight of outdated Getting
Started document. However, I'd not hurry to eliminate the page as such.
We might reconsider some of its contents, change structure, and update
individual bits, but please think carefully before removing the page.
I think
Nadya,
I have failed to find web pages copyrighted by IBM on Apache using
Google. Apache copyright usually contains no more than two lines. This
page has fourty lines of legal staff. Is it really needed?
Thanks!
On 11/8/06, Morozova, Nadezhda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
All,
I'd like to share
On the 0x21B day of Apache Harmony Nadezhda Morozova wrote:
All,
I'd like to share everyone's grief at the sight of outdated Getting
Started document. However, I'd not hurry to eliminate the page as such.
We might reconsider some of its contents, change structure, and update
individual bits,
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