Re: Potential z/OS MPF behavior change -- comments please

2010-10-20 Thread Barbara Nitz
Kevin, maybe som of the others have the same problem *I* have in understanding the term 'monitor message'. I just reread Planning:OPS and the message manual where the IEF's are in, and I am still unclear what 'monitor message' is/means. Take IEF403I and IEF404I (two of those that I need in

Re: IBM Announcements URL

2010-10-20 Thread shayne.al...@gmail.com
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Re: Storage usage in a job

2010-10-20 Thread Barbara Nitz
We're doing some load testing, and running out of storage, but we can't figure out how to tell WHAT storage. For this and the other thread (z/os 1.11 and low private): Set a slip trap on the 878 (overriding the default that probably everybody has to suppress them) and look at the resulting

Re: z/os 1.11 and low private

2010-10-20 Thread Vernooij, CP - SPLXM
That is usually a tricky problemanalyses: you will probably catch the victim of some other extensive storage consumption done earlier in time. Comparing VMSDATA from 1.9 and 1.11 might give a clue. Kees. Veilleux, Jon L veilleu...@aetna.com wrote in message

Re: Storage usage in a job

2010-10-20 Thread Hal Merritt
Back in the joblog should be an abend message of some sort that shows the type of storage requested. The SDSF display would not be very credible to me as you might have had dump processing, cleanup, etc running. I'd look at your REGION= (on both job and EXEC cards) as well as your IEFUSI

Btter handling error recovery in cae of TCP Connection error

2010-10-20 Thread Shai Hess
HI, To the users of MFNetDisk, Important fix! Better error recovery in case of TCP error which is simulate by MFNetDisk as NO_PATH_AVAILABLE. Full control of the IOS message in case of the error. More users are using the replication feature (In addition to the emulation which many users

Re: Eject cartridge CE XXX

2010-10-20 Thread R.S.
HELIO pisze: All list, We have a 3494 tape library. I need to eject the cartridge (ce xxx) which used by the technical service. Does anyone know how I can eject cartridge? 1. Why? Why do you need it? 2. Simply pause the library, open (ONE!) cabinet and take the cart. After you close the

Re: Potential z/OS MPF behavior change -- comments please

2010-10-20 Thread Hunkeler Peter (KIUP 4)
Maybe I was too hasty. If a message is suppressed from every console AND from the log, it could be considered lost. Exactly. That was my first thought. In my experience, I am *required* to proof to all and sundry (most notably IBM software support) that things happened in a certain order or

Re: Potential z/OS MPF behavior change -- comments please

2010-10-20 Thread Doron Geva
Kevin , The SYSLOG / OPERLOG in many place treated as an aeroplane black boxes. It records *everything *that is happening in the system. It server as tool for technical and legal problems investigation and it is archived for years. There are installations that forbid suppressing any message,

Re: Storage usage in a job

2010-10-20 Thread Terry Draper
Phil,     You do not say what kind of batch job it is. Is it normal qsam/vsam or is it DB2?       The CPU percentage (CPU time /elapsed time) is over 70%. This is very high for a non DB2. Even for DB2 it would have to find most of the data already in bufferpools.       The fialure is

Re: IBM Announcements URL

2010-10-20 Thread Geoff Rousell
On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 16:12:35 -0400, Cheryl Walker che...@watsonwalker.com wrote: The link work fine for me using Safari 5.0.2 on a Mac. I also use this for z/OS - http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zos/news.html Cheryl == Cheryl Watson Watson Walker, Inc.

jcl vs pgm call

2010-10-20 Thread Marco Gianfranco Indaco
Hi to all, it's probably a stupid question. Which is the most expensive method to call a program in batch mode? Using a PGM=program within a submitted(and converted) jcl or calling the program from a another one. And what about data definition? Allocate a file within a program or from the jcl?

Re: jcl vs pgm call

2010-10-20 Thread Binyamin Dissen
On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 12:34:42 +0200 Marco Gianfranco Indaco mgind...@gmail.com wrote: :Hi to all, it's probably a stupid question. :Which is the most expensive method to call a program in batch mode? :Using a PGM=program within a submitted(and converted) jcl or calling the :program from a another

Re: Storage usage in a job

2010-10-20 Thread Veilleux, Jon L
By any chance did someone change the LINKLIST set recently without an IPL? That can cause this error, although with your high usage numbers it does seem an unlikely possibility. You could always run a GETMAIN trace to see where the storage requests are coming from. -Original Message-

Re: z/os 1.11 and low private

2010-10-20 Thread Veilleux, Jon L
Correct, the last GETMAIN is probably not the problem, but the VSMDATA detail listing might help to locate who is using the storage. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Vernooij, CP - SPLXM Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010

Re: When will MVS be able to use cheap dasd

2010-10-20 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
from today Western Digital Launches First 3TB Hard Drive http://www.informationweek.com/news/storage/portable/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=227900320itc=ref-true mentions that it is a FBA4096 drive (rather than FBA512 that has been standard for so long) suggested retail is $239, $74/tbyte (2.5TB

Re: Storage usage in a job

2010-10-20 Thread Hunkeler Peter (KIUP 4)
We're doing some load testing, and running out of storage, but we can't figure out how to tell WHAT storage. Shortly before it blew off, the REAL column in SDSF showed 120T. We're pretty sure that wasn't 120 terabytes; it seems to be T for Thousand. But that isn't a lot of memory?! Here's the

Re: Storage usage in a job

2010-10-20 Thread Hunkeler Peter (KIUP 4)
Please excuse me for that weird post before. Finger check; it wasn't meant to be sent out at that time. We're doing some load testing, and running out of storage, but we can't figure out how to tell WHAT storage. Shortly before it blew off, the REAL column in SDSF showed 120T. We're pretty

SMF Exits (Was: Re: Potential z/OS MPF behavior change...)

2010-10-20 Thread Arthur Gutowski
On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 00:16:24 -0500, Barbara Nitz nitz-...@gmx.net wrote: Mark, 1) It is recommended to NOT use IEFUSI for OMVS (I removed it many years ago). 2) When I did, I checked for OMVS and skipped writing the messages: CLC 0(4,R5),=C'OMVS' BE SKIPWTO ehm,

Re: Shutdown and dependencies

2010-10-20 Thread Arthur Gutowski
On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 11:13:12 -0400, Cheryl Walker che...@watsonwalker.com wrote: Although this email is a little late, a good reference for dependencies at start up and shut down can be found in the MTTR Redbook - http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg247816.html?Open. Although the TCP/IP

Re: abend percolation

2010-10-20 Thread Moore, Ken
Thanks to all who replied. I discovered, as I was teaching myself this logic, that the ECB actually had the completion code in it, but only after the completion of the WAIT ECB, which proceeded the ATTACH. Additionally, the existing logic in the program took the ECB ECB = X'84806000' in this

Re: jcl vs pgm call

2010-10-20 Thread Joel C. Ewing
On 10/20/2010 06:00 AM, Binyamin Dissen wrote: On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 12:34:42 +0200 Marco Gianfranco Indaco mgind...@gmail.com wrote: :Hi to all, it's probably a stupid question. :Which is the most expensive method to call a program in batch mode? :Using a PGM=program within a submitted(and

What is the oldest version of zOS that requires use of the Extended-Immediate Facility?

2010-10-20 Thread Binyamin Dissen
For example, can z/OS 1.6 run on hardware without it? -- Binyamin Dissen bdis...@dissensoftware.com http://www.dissensoftware.com Director, Dissen Software, Bar Grill - Israel Should you use the mailblocks package and expect a response from me, you should preauthorize the dissensoftware.com

Re: abend percolation

2010-10-20 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Moore, Ken Thanks to all who replied. I discovered, as I was teaching myself this logic, that the ECB actually had the completion code in it, but only after the completion of the WAIT ECB, which proceeded the

Posting URLs (Was: Shutdown and dependencies)

2010-10-20 Thread Chris Mason
Art (and Cheryl) Note that somehow the . became part of the url in Cheryl's note. Probably because she typed it! We are all taught that a full stop - called a period in some geographies, in others a point final and so on - is, unlike a preposition as Winston Churchill reminded us, a

Re: Posting URLs (Was: Shutdown and dependencies)

2010-10-20 Thread Staller, Allan
Then quit PUN-inshing us! G snip .One benefit of this can be that the URL characters may no longer[1] need more than one line in order to be presented. Chris Mason [1] I really need to give up this punning habit! /snip --

Re: Potential z/OS MPF behavior change -- comments please

2010-10-20 Thread Mark Zelden
On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 00:16:24 -0500, Barbara Nitz nitz-...@gmx.net wrote: Mark, 1) It is recommended to NOT use IEFUSI for OMVS (I removed it many years ago). 2) When I did, I checked for OMVS and skipped writing the messages: CLC 0(4,R5),=C'OMVS' BE SKIPWTO ehm, my

Re: SMF Exits (Was: Re: Potential z/OS MPF behavior change...)

2010-10-20 Thread Mark Zelden
On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 07:37:42 -0500, Arthur Gutowski aguto...@ford.com wrote: On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 00:16:24 -0500, Barbara Nitz nitz-...@gmx.net wrote: Mark, 1) It is recommended to NOT use IEFUSI for OMVS (I removed it many years ago). 2) When I did, I checked for OMVS and skipped writing the

Re: abend percolation

2010-10-20 Thread Peter Relson
As has been stated, you cannot percolate an abend from one task to another. If a subtask abends with completion code x, the mother task can see that in the ECB post code if the subtask was attached with ECB. However, it would be not be OK for that mother task to contort things so that it

Re: What is the oldest version of zOS that requires use of the Extended-Immediate Facility?

2010-10-20 Thread Tom Marchant
There has not been a level set yet for z/OS, though there has for z/VM. Release 1.12 will run on any zArchitecture hardware, including z800 and z900. AFAIR, the Extended-immediate facility was introduced with the z9-109. -- Tom Marchant

Re: Posting URLs (Was: Shutdown and dependencies)

2010-10-20 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 09:00:23 -0500, Chris Mason wrote: I find the best way to present an URL in a post is to put it, all by itself, on a separate line - and resist the temptation to add a full stop. Amen. But some mailers have a compulsion to break lines at less than 80 characters, often

Re: Potential z/OS MPF behavior change -- comments please

2010-10-20 Thread Ayon, John
I would like to see you change MPFLST, so if you suppress messages (i.e. IEC*) that highlighted IEC messages would still display on the console. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of W. Kevin Kelley Sent: Tuesday, October 19,

Re: What is the oldest version of zOS that requires use of the Extended-Immediate Facility?

2010-10-20 Thread Bob Shannon
For example, can z/OS 1.6 run on hardware without it? Extended immediate instructions were introduced on Freeway (i.e., z800/z900) processors. Operating systems prior to 1.6 could run on 9672 processors. 1.6 requires a Freeway processor. 1.6 went out of service 9/30/2007. Bob Shannon Rocket

PDSE versus PDS

2010-10-20 Thread Fran Hernandez
Hi colleagues, In the installation they want all files are PDS PDSE rather than because they consider as a method PDS old compared to PDSE. I would like the experience of others on their premises and in which cases are recommended one or the other. Is there any document about it ? Thank you

Re: What is the oldest version of zOS that requires use of the Extended-Immediate Facility?

2010-10-20 Thread Mark Zelden
On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 14:57:08 +, Bob Shannon bshan...@rocketsoftware.com wrote: For example, can z/OS 1.6 run on hardware without it? Extended immediate instructions were introduced on Freeway (i.e., z800/z900) processors. Operating systems prior to 1.6 could run on 9672 processors. 1.6

Re: IPCS Address space layout

2010-10-20 Thread Micheal Butz
How did you now that .you really helps me out Sent from my iPhone On Oct 19, 2010, at 10:06 PM, David Kreiss david.kre...@neon.com wrote: In IPCS try 2 (ANALYSIS) enter undocumented 6i option and select VSMINFO. Dave -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion

Assigning UID's

2010-10-20 Thread Hal Merritt
Cross posted to MVS and RACF. We don't use OMVS and have no plans to do so except for the bare minimum required. I did not choose to use the 'backstop' and so code a OMVS segment on each user and group profile as appropriate. Somehow I have accumulated a number of (non human) profiles with UID

Re: IPCS Address space layout

2010-10-20 Thread Tom Harper
Go to SHARE and see Jerry Ng's IPCS presentations... Tom Harper IMS Utilities Development Team Neon Enterprise Software Sugar Land, TX -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Micheal Butz Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 10:46

Re: Assigning UID's

2010-10-20 Thread Mark Zelden
On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 10:46:09 -0500, Hal Merritt hmerr...@jackhenry.com wrote: Cross posted to MVS and RACF. We don't use OMVS and have no plans to do so except for the bare minimum required. I did not choose to use the 'backstop' and so code a OMVS segment on each user and group profile as

Re: Assigning UID's

2010-10-20 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Mark Zelden On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 10:46:09 -0500, Hal Merritt hmerr...@jackhenry.com wrote: Cross posted to MVS and RACF. We don't use OMVS and have no plans to do so except for the bare minimum required. I did

SV: Assigning UID's

2010-10-20 Thread Thomas Berg
Från: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] För Hal Merritt Skickat: den 20 oktober 2010 17:46 Till: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Ämne: Assigning UID's Cross posted to MVS and RACF. We don't use OMVS and have no plans to do so except for the bare minimum required. I did

Re: Assigning UID's

2010-10-20 Thread Veilleux, Jon L
We use the high order bytes of the UID to discriminate between human and non-humans and have different codes for regular employees versus contract employees. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Hal Merritt Sent: Wednesday,

Re: IPCS Address space layout

2010-10-20 Thread David Kreiss
Search the archives for 6i. Bob Wright of IPCS fame posted this on 11 Apr 2008: If you're running release 8 or later, take a look a dialog option 2.6i. It's not advertised on the analysis panel, and the disclaimer on the 2.6i panel hopefully explains why. Dave -Original

Re: Storage usage in a job

2010-10-20 Thread Phil Smith
Thanks to all who replied. Terry Draper asked some specific questions: You do not say what kind of batch job it is. Is it normal qsam/vsam or is it DB2? This is doing encryption of huge volumes of data. I/O is very low. The CPU percentage (CPU time /elapsed time) is over 70%. This is

Re: CF Structures - ALLOWAUTOALT

2010-10-20 Thread Mark A. Brooks
I am the IBM developer, who for the past 24 years of my working career, has been responsible for the care and feeding of the XCF signalling service. I designed and implemented the support for XCF signalling structures. I know how they work. I understand the interplay between their sizing, the

Re: IBM Announcements URL

2010-10-20 Thread Ed Gould
--- On Tue, 10/19/10, Craig Dudley craig.dud...@sacsi.com wrote: From: Craig Dudley craig.dud...@sacsi.com Subject: IBM Announcements URL To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Date: Tuesday, October 19, 2010, 1:44 PM Hi, I am trying to access the IBM announcements web page at:

Re: PDSE versus PDS

2010-10-20 Thread Schwarz, Barry A
Be aware that some PDS cannot be PDSE (for example, SYS1.NUCLEUS). Look in the archives (see footnote for url) for discussions of problems with sharing PDSEs. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Fran Hernandez Sent:

Fwd: Re: IBM Announcements URL

2010-10-20 Thread Craig Dudley
Hi Ed, http://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/index.wss ---SNIP- I tried again this morning and got through with no issue. Try it again and see if it now works for you. Still same problem with Safari 5.0.2 Firefox 3.6.11 on Mac OS X 10.6.4. -- Craig Dudley Systems

Re: IBM Announcements URL

2010-10-20 Thread Chase, John
I'll try it with Firefox on Linux when I get home tonight. IBM has been pretty good about coding their web pages to be browser-agnostic. -jc- -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Craig Dudley Sent: Wednesday, October

DFDSS VSAM logical restore?

2010-10-20 Thread John McKown
A dummy question. When I do a VSAM logical dataset restore using DFDSS, does it do a reorganization of the data? I would think so, but I cannot find it in the manual. This would be from a logical dump. -- John McKown Maranatha! Sent from my Vibrant Android phone.

Re: DFDSS VSAM logical restore?

2010-10-20 Thread Starr, Alan
Hi John, I don't expect that it would. As far as I know, DF/dss logical processing is aware of datasets and records (i.e. blocks) but doesn't usually concern itself with the content of these datasets. There are two exceptions that I'm aware of: 1) DF/dss can change the amount of unused (pad)

Re: jcl vs pgm call

2010-10-20 Thread Barry Merrill
The part of file allocation that has significant cost is basically the same whether the allocation is via JCL or dynamic allocation. While the true cost in CPU seconds for a dynamic allocation might be exactly the same as for a static allocation, where those CPU seconds are recorded in RMF and

Re: DFDSS VSAM logical restore?

2010-10-20 Thread John McKown
Thanks, Alan. How about IDCAMS EXPORT / IMPORT? We are looking at what it would take to replace CA-FAVER. It is a good product, but we are looking at possible alternatives. IDCAMS is __slow__! -- John McKown Maranatha! Sent from my Vibrant Android phone. On Oct 20, 2010 2:59 PM, Starr, Alan

SMTP

2010-10-20 Thread Mark Steely
We are z/OS V1R11. We have encountered a problem that it took about 4 hours from the time the note was received until it was delivered. We still have about 200 that are in the retry Queue. I have tried the RSET NOOP commands it just responds with 250 OK but still nothing happens. This

Re: DFDSS VSAM logical restore?

2010-10-20 Thread Starr, Alan
Yes John... As far as I know, both REPRO and EXPORT result in a reorganized VSAM dataset. While you're looking at alternatives, you may wish to consider Innovation's IAM. We are quite happy with it. Regards, Alan -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Re: DFDSS VSAM logical restore?

2010-10-20 Thread Stephen Mednick
If looking for an alternative to the traditional IDCAMS REPRO for the reorganisation of VSAM(and IAM) files, Innovation Data Processing's FDREORG solution might be worth looking at: http://www.innovationdp.fdr.com/products/fdrreorg/ Apart from being able to offer significantly better

Re: Assigning UID's

2010-10-20 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 10:46:09 -0500, Hal Merritt wrote: We don't use OMVS and have no plans to do so except for the bare minimum required. I did not choose to use the 'backstop' and so code a OMVS segment on each user and group profile as appropriate. If you have _any_ other in-house UNIX

Re: Assigning UID's

2010-10-20 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Use the employee number That's actually against the privacy laws in Canada. And, many companies use that number for access to HR systems, so it could be a major security hole. - I'm a SuperHero with neither powers, nor motivation! Kimota!

Re: DFDSS VSAM logical restore?

2010-10-20 Thread John McKown
On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 14:14 -0700, Starr, Alan wrote: Yes John... As far as I know, both REPRO and EXPORT result in a reorganized VSAM dataset. While you're looking at alternatives, you may wish to consider Innovation's IAM. We are quite happy with it. Regards, Alan IAM is probably

Re: DFDSS VSAM logical restore?

2010-10-20 Thread John McKown
On Thu, 2010-10-21 at 08:27 +1100, Stephen Mednick wrote: If looking for an alternative to the traditional IDCAMS REPRO for the reorganisation of VSAM(and IAM) files, Innovation Data Processing's FDREORG solution might be worth looking at:

Re: Assigning UID's

2010-10-20 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 22:57:07 +, Ted MacNEIL wrote: Use the employee number That's actually against the privacy laws in Canada. And, many companies use that number for access to HR systems, so it could be a major security hole. I guess the motivation is good. I didn't even bother to

Re: SMTP

2010-10-20 Thread Chris Mason
Mark You may find more SMTP specialists in the IBMTCP-L list: For IBMTCP-L subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO IBMTCP-L Chris Mason On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 16:08:26 -0500, Mark Steely mark.ste...@wnco.com wrote: We are

Re: SMTP

2010-10-20 Thread Anthony Thompson
Check the transmission headers in one of the delayed emails once it gets received. (In MS Outlook, you open the email in its own window, click on Option in the View drop-down). The timestamps in the headers should tell you which server is causing the delay. Ant. -Original Message-

WARKOCZ, Thomas is out of the office.

2010-10-20 Thread Thomas Warkocz
Ich werde ab 21.10.2010 nicht im Büro sein. Ich kehre zurück am 22.10.2010. Bitte wenden Sie sich in dringenden Fällen an Willem van den Haak ( email: willem.vandenh...@ecs-group.com Telefon: +32 2 773 22 99) I am not in the office from 21.10.10. I am back on 22.10.10. In urgend cases please

Re: Assigning UID's

2010-10-20 Thread Ted MacNEIL
But employers need some kind of universal unique keys, not so tightly secured so that, for example when employees terminate they can: Yes, but there are Federal regulations against certain numbers in use. In Canada, both SIN's Emp#'s are restricted. - I'm a SuperHero with neither powers, nor

Re: DFDSS VSAM logical restore?

2010-10-20 Thread Ron Hawkins
Alan and John, In the case of John's question the answer is no, the KSDS will not be reorganized when you use DFSMSdss RESTORE. However, this is not true for all DFSMSdss processing. Where you copy or move a dataset DFSMSdss will try to use utilities to process the file, and in the case of VSAM

Re: DFDSS VSAM logical restore?

2010-10-20 Thread Stephen Mednick
Thanks. My boss already mentioned something from FDR. With the comment that the cost was way too high for us. We're still downsizing. And looking at replacing CA-FAVER to reduce software cost. One doesn't save money by replacing a Ford with a Lexus! -- John McKown Maranatha! Well considering the

Re: PDSE versus PDS

2010-10-20 Thread Barbara Nitz
In the installation they want all files are PDS PDSE rather than because they consider as a method PDS old compared to PDSE. Well, if your installation likes performance problems, go right ahead. *Especially* if any of your PDSs contain recfm=V(x) records. IBM development has told me (through

Re: PDSE versus PDS

2010-10-20 Thread Ted MacNEIL
consider as a method PDS old compared to PDSE. Well, if your installation likes performance problems, go right ahead. Barbara, you have to learn to stop beating around the bush and tell us what you really feel! (8-{]} BTW, I used to be a big fan of PDSE. Now, except for source code, I won't

Re: DFDSS VSAM logical restore?

2010-10-20 Thread Ron Hawkins
John, With BUFND set to the number of CI per CA, or equivalent in KB, REPRO will almost always outperform DFSMSdss. The best you'll get from DFSMSdss for logical dump is one track per IO, even if you specify OPT(4). Tuned IDCAMS is _FAST_! Ron -Original Message- From: IBM