--- On Fri, 12/4/09, Thompson, Steve steve_thomp...@stercomm.com wrote:
--SNIP
As IBM sales suffer, now's the time to buy a new mainframe
http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/120409-ibm-mainframe.html
from above ...
But the economy and
In s84gh5derriun3ggjjsnmq3i5evkkm2...@4ax.com, on 12/03/2009
at 12:29 PM, Howard Brazee howard.bra...@cusys.edu said:
Huh? The 1958 Chevy didn't have seatbelts,
By the 1960's lots of cars had seat belts, at least as an option.
And it is no longer though of as odd at all when a car goes a
In 4b1856e3.2050...@ync.net, on 12/03/2009
at 06:25 PM, Rick Fochtman rfocht...@ync.net said:
I would prefer supplementing sturdy seat belts with dangerous air
bags.
I take it that you don't have children?
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In 4b1823a1.2030...@bremultibank.com.pl, on 12/03/2009
at 09:46 PM, R.S. r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl said:
I really don't understand why do you insist on improper spelling of
'Andersen' name.
When did *you* become concerned with correct nomenclature?
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Accenture
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And it is no
1972 Chevrolet Vega, 4 cylinder, aluminum block. At 50K miles a quart of
oil per tank of gas (250 miles). At 60,000 miles blue smoke. At 75,000
miles I rebuilt it with iron sleeves. That rebuild lasted 100K miles till
the rust issue made my feet cold.
My brand new 1966 Mustang had factory
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As IBM sales suffer, now's the time to buy a new mainframe
http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/120409-ibm-mainframe.html
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In s84gh5derriun3ggjjsnmq3i5evkkm2...@4ax.com, on 12/03/2009
at 12:29 PM, Howard Brazee howard.bra...@cusys.edu said:
And it is no longer though of as odd at all when a car goes a
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Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 11:17 AM
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Accenture
The following message is
In 67991c5ad29f4e83926c6c00a8b5f...@tbabonas, on 12/04/2009
at 11:01 AM, Tony B. tbabo...@comcast.net said:
1972 Chevrolet Vega, 4 cylinder, aluminum block.
Vega? Isn't that the English translation of Renault?
My brand new 1966 Mustang had factory standard seat belts which I
promptly
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I would prefer supplementing sturdy seat belts with dangerous air
bags.
I take it that you don't have children?
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None that I'll admit to. :-) Lifelong
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kgold...@gmail.com (Kim Goldenberg) writes:
According to the Accenture item in Wikipedia, It was once part of
Arthur Andersen. See the article for more information as to how the
name became
jch...@ussco.com (Chase, John) writes:
Hmmm . . . $50,000 in annual salary, and $176,000 in attendance
fees . . ..
What's an attendance fee? Is that anything like the appearance fees
paid to certain famous folks for simply showing up?
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009q.html#77
note
Accenture was originally the IT consulting division of Arthur Anderson. That
is why they took the name Anderson Consulting. They then were spun off from
Arthur Anderson as a separate company and took the name Accenture.
Joel Wolpert
Performance and Capacity Planning consultant
WEBSITE:
Then Accenture must have inherited the fortune Anderson made off of Install-1.
We still have the product although I personally do not have to maintain it - I
think that Accenture or some
Vendor has to be called in each time an upgrade is needed.
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In a6b9336cdb62bb46b9f8708e686a7ea005bde01...@nrhmms8p02.uicnrh.dom, on
12/02/2009
at 07:49 AM, McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com said:
What! You don't fondly remember the joys of running a Stage 1 / Stage 2
sysgen?
Not in 1960.
Or doing an EDT gen by throwing away jobs and steps
In lsbdh5pvk7n0d4t0s4s4js5dgktejre...@4ax.com, on 12/02/2009
at 11:22 AM, Howard Brazee howard.bra...@cusys.edu said:
But we do complain about how complex things have gotten, how we have far
more people working on infrastructure instead of applications, and how
vulnerabilities have increased.
In 4b15bc63.9070...@ync.net, on 12/01/2009
at 07:01 PM, Rick Fochtman rfocht...@ync.net said:
I wouldn't mind looking back at the good old days, but only for
hysterical purposes. SIO/TIO/HIO are NOT areas I would care to revisit
for any productive purpose. :-)
That was the progressive new
On 3 Dec 2009 10:55:03 -0800, shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net (Shmuel Metz
, Seymour J.) wrote:
This is kind of wishing we could work on our cars the same way as we
worked on the 1958 Chevy.
That's one kind of complaint. Another kind is to wish that they designed
cars to last as long as they used
Joel Wolpert pisze:
Accenture was originally the IT consulting division of Arthur Anderson.
That is why they took the name Anderson Consulting. They then were spun
off from Arthur Anderson as a separate company and took the name Accenture.
Well...
I really don't understand why do you insist
--snip-
I wouldn't mind looking back at the good old days, but only for
hysterical purposes. SIO/TIO/HIO are NOT areas I would care to revisit
for any productive purpose. :-)
That was the progressive new era; the good old
snip---
Are they? They're not designed to the same engineering standards, and in
some cases safety has been compromised in the name of convenience, e.g.,
replacing sturdy seat belts with dangerous air bags.
Chase, John pisze:
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Thompson, Steve
SNIPPAGE
I am so glad you brought this up.
Does anyone remember who Accenture was?
Arthur Andersen, IIRC.
No. Former name of Accenture was Andersen Consulting (www.ac.com), not
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Subject: Re: Now is time for banks to replace core system
according to Accenture
In
While this discussion has evolved into a discourse on HLLs and library
support, I would like to make an observation.
A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away, Accenture was Arthur Anderson
Consulting. My company contracted with them to assess the status of our
technology and its direction.
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Subject: Re: Now is time for banks to replace core system
according to Accenture
Mark Yuhas said:
A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away, Accenture was Arthur Anderson
Consulting. My company contracted with them to assess the status of our
technology and its direction. While it was a foregone conclusion they would
recommend a shift to UNIX, I was totally underwhelmed
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john.mck...@healthmarkets.com (McKown, John) writes:
What! You don't fondly remember the joys of running a Stage 1 / Stage
2 sysgen? How you could be productive
In 52bc4b80912010934w67887d68u6cc96a670a3ac...@mail.gmail.com, on
12/01/2009
at 09:34 AM, Guy Gardoit ggard...@gmail.com said:
Any moron can load Windows,
Any moron can buy a box with windoze preinstalled. Loading it yourself is
another matter.
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On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Martin Kline martin.kl...@yrcw.com wrote:
Wow. I don't recognize your name, but I went through exactly the same
experience with the woefully inexperienced staff from AA. They burned $35M
of the company's money before being booted out the door. Yet, they were
On 02 Dec 09 08:18:10 -0800, Charlie Gibbs cgi...@kltpzyxm.invalid
wrote:
This is why I tell people that interactive is a synonym for manual.
It stops a lot of GUI enthusiasts dead in their tracks, at least for
a few seconds.
I'll have to remember that.
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rfocht...@ync.net (Rick Fochtman) writes:
I wouldn't mind looking back at the good old days, but only for
hysterical purposes. SIO/TIO/HIO are NOT areas I would
On 1 Dec 2009 13:59:08 -0800, shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net (Shmuel Metz
, Seymour J.) wrote:
Who is we? I don't believe that I'm the only one one this list to write
that I would never want to go back to the good old days.
I don't know of anybody who wants everything that went with those
days.
On 2 Dec 2009 00:17:46 -0800, r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl (R.S.)
wrote:
Does anyone remember who Accenture was?
Arthur Andersen, IIRC.
No. Former name of Accenture was Andersen Consulting (www.ac.com), not
Arthur Andersen.
It was separate entity lng time before Enron bankrupcy.
If
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Pierre Fichaud pr...@videotron.ca writes:
Most banks have SLAs with acquiring institutions like FirstData,etc as
far as transaction turnaround times are
R.S. wrote:
And Andersen Consulting is (was) not Arthur Andersen.
According to the Accenture item in Wikipedia, It was once part of Arthur
Andersen. See the article for more information as to how the name became
Accenture.
KG
You can change the name but crooks remain crooks.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accenture
Accenture originated as the business and technology consulting division of
accounting firm Arthur Andersen.
.
.
In 1989, that division split from Arthur Andersen and began using the name
Andersen
Depends on where the filler cap and timing chain is. I tried it on a 190d
and it was real messy. Guess if you were careful could pour it down the
dipstick...
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Hardly nonsense. On Win or Mac, when Firefox tells me it
needs an update, I click on Update. A few minutes later,
it tells me
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Anne Lynn Wheeler l...@garlic.com writes:
we had been called in to consult with small client/server startup that
wanted to payment transactions on their server;
Howard Brazee pisze:
On 2 Dec 2009 00:17:46 -0800, r.skoru...@would you snip my address.com? (R.S.)
wrote:
Does anyone remember who Accenture was?
Arthur Andersen, IIRC.
No. Former name of Accenture was Andersen Consulting (www.ac.com), not
Arthur Andersen.
It was separate entity lng
Well according to both my recollection, and Wikipedia (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accenture)
Accenture started out as a division of Arthur Andersen, but split from
Arthur Andersen in 1989, but was still part of the AWSC administrative
entity. It wasn't until August of 2000 that Andersen
kgold...@gmail.com (Kim Goldenberg) writes:
According to the Accenture item in Wikipedia, It was once part of
Arthur Andersen. See the article for more information as to how the
name became Accenture.
long-winded related reply
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009q.html#77
--
40+yrs
-snip--
P.S. Anybody doing any linked-list processing in 64-bit space? Having
trouble comparing link keys to find insertion points.
What kind of problems?
unsnip
--snip-
While this discussion has evolved into a discourse on HLLs and library
support, I would like to make an observation.
A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away, Accenture was Arthur Anderson
Consulting. My company contracted with
Anne Lynn Wheeler wrote:
part of the redo of sio/tio/hio for xa (aka 811 for the nov78 date on
the documents) was the enormous pathlengths in mvs ... being able to
redrive queued i/o after completion of previous i/o.
Hmphhh..
In the dept of other possible ways by the hardware to damage
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i...@vmfacility.fr (Ivan Warren) writes:
Hmphhh..
In the dept of other possible ways by the hardware to damage
performance when preventing I/O queue processing
--- On Wed, 12/2/09, Rick Fochtman rfocht...@ync.net wrote:
From: Rick Fochtman rfocht...@ync.net
Subject: Re: Now is time for banks to replace core system according to Accenture
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Date: Wednesday, December 2, 2009, 5:53 PM
Kelman, Tom pisze:
Accenture is saying that now might be the time for banks to replace
their core systems and retool to new technology. They don't actually
say it, but it sounds to me like their saying that big banks should get
off the mainframe. comments?
Comment: Their banking system
Guy Gardoit wrote:
What?!? Not sure how'd you define decent but I don't see the point of
this statement at all. ServerPac and SMP/E (not to mention HCD) are
excellent products. If you're trying to compare installing and maintaining
IBM mainframe software to say, Windows, please don't make
Ahhh yes, Lets treat z/OS like windows, then when you get the blue screen of
death I will just tell management to re-ipl and hope it works correctly this
time, and the error messages are really descriptive on other platforms. But hey
this logic works for them. What your discussing is
I just believe that's the way CEOs and CIOs will read it. Most of them really
think that the mainframe, especially using z/OS, is old technology even with
the changes that have been put in place.
I really love this board. I post a link to a article about Accenture
recommending that banks
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 1:36 AM, Ron Hawkins
ron.hawkins1...@sbcglobal.netwrote:
Gee, I didn't finish High School. Better slit my throat now...
And I dropped out of college, twice, never finished. What's your point?
Sensitive much? Sheesh.
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Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 5:25 PM
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according to Accenture
Good meaning
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On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 1:36 AM, Ron Hawkins
ron.hawkins1...@sbcglobal.netwrote:
Gee, I didn't finish High School. Better slit my throat now...
And I dropped out of college, twice, never finished.
I
I think a solution lies somewhere in the middle. Of course z/OS will
never be as simple to upgrade as Firefox. We are talking an operating
system versus an application. But IBM could take some lessons from,
ahem, IBM or (gasp) HP. Upgrading either AIX or HP-UX, the upgrade task
scans through
On 30 Nov 2009 15:30:42 -0800, mw...@ssfcu.org (Ward, Mike S) wrote:
One thing lacking that exist for Java, Perl, Ruby, and other such
languages is a HUGE support library. CPAN has so much good stuff in it
that writing something like a browser in Perl is simple. Try it in
COBOL.
What COBOL
On 30 Nov 2009 14:28:26 -0800, ibm-m...@frozen.eclipse.co.uk (Roy
Hewitt) wrote:
But what gives the mainframe such a bad name is usually the pile of 40 year
apps
stuck together running on top of it and our resistance to change.. (oh, and
our morbid fascination
with 3270!!) And why did we
On 1 Dec 2009 01:44:52 -0800, r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl (R.S.)
wrote:
Q: Why do you think that new technology means non-mainframe?
I suppose because IBM hasn't done a very good job of marketing itself
to compete with Oracle/Sun/HP/Windows server farms.
Ron,
I think your first response was more appropriate, with luck instead of
like. Freudian slip or finger check or spell checker, the outcome is
still the same. Running these upgrades on Winders is a bit of a cr**
shoot and a whole bunch of luck is involved in making it all work
together at the
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applications and systems strung together over 30 or 40 years. The z10s
are probably one of the most hi-tech
On Tue, 1 Dec 2009 11:29:08 +, Roy Hewitt wrote:
My point was about the structure of the way the system is set up, names etc..
I mentioned the fact
that IBM took years to finally get rid of version numbers in dataset names.
Anyone who knew what
Java is still burdened with version numbers.
Sarcasm - I use heading next time :-)
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P S
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stay out of the kitchen - very well put. Any moron can load Windows,
or update Firefox so let's try to make z/OS that way. Ridiculous and
irrelevant comparison.
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 4:51 AM, Terri E Shaffer
terri.e.shaf...@jpmchase.com wrote:
Ahhh yes, Lets treat z/OS like windows,
On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:58:23 -0600, John McKown wrote:
problem is with DASD space. I needed to grab 10 3390-3 volumes for the
z/OS 1.10 install. And our management here is looking at wasted DASD
space, so I can't keep the volumes around very long.
Less than two decades ago, I had to work
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Less than two decades ago, I had to work overtime and save money
to afford a 200 MB external SCSI drive, and I had
On 1 Dec 2009 07:12:07 -0800, rex.pomm...@cnasurety.com (Pommier, Rex
R.) wrote:
Hardly nonsense. On Win or Mac, when Firefox tells me it
needs an update, I click on Update. A few minutes later,
it tells me to restart Firefox to activate the update.
I click Restart Firefox to warmstart. Two
And I dropped out of college, twice, never finished. What's your point?
Sensitive much? Sheesh.
It was sarcasm!
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[mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Guy Gardoit
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Subject: Re: Now is time for banks to replace core system
according to Accenture
stay out of the
In a message dated 12/1/2009 12:29:52 P.M. Central Standard Time,
john.mck...@healthmarkets.com writes:
Anybody who is not mentally challenged can get a drivers license. As can
any drunkard. Does that mean that they should really be driving? I don't
think so, but I'm an elitist snob.
Accenture is out for Accenture.
Hutchison, Gregory A.
Oregon DOT DMVIS
phone:503-945-7081
fax:503-945-5220
gregory.hutchi...@odot.state.or.us
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howard.bra...@cusys.edu writes:
And if there is a problem with this upgrade, I can run Safari or
Opera.My work isn't dependent upon Firefox (nor its
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Accenture
Accenture is out for
Guy Gardoit pisze:
stay out of the kitchen - very well put. Any moron can load Windows,
or update Firefox so let's try to make z/OS that way. Ridiculous and
irrelevant comparison.
It is simply part of truth. It's not any moron's job, rather it's
being done automatically - any moron only
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SNIPPAGE
I am so glad you brought this up.
Does anyone remember who Accenture was?
Arthur Andersen, IIRC.
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In 4b143c91.2000...@frozen.eclipse.co.uk, on 11/30/2009
at 09:43 PM, Roy Hewitt ibm-m...@frozen.eclipse.co.uk said:
I mean, how many times on this list do we keep harping on about how
wonderful it was when we had to handcraft our own IO routine
etc etc!!
Who is we? I don't believe that I'm
On 1 Dec 2009 12:03:50 -0800, steve_thomp...@stercomm.com (Thompson,
Steve) wrote:
I am so glad you brought this up.
Does anyone remember who Accenture was?
And since this is a consulting company, telling people that they need
to... isn't this a bit self-serving? Something akin to Airline
On Tue, 1 Dec 2009 10:51:53 -0600, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote:
On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:58:23 -0600, John McKown wrote:
CA is adopting this type of process as well with their Mainframe 2.0. I
was at the demo and was impressed.
I saw their demo at SHARE. I was impressed particularly
IIRC, Arthur Andersen's consulting group.
Tom Puddicombe
Mainframe Performance Capacity Planning
CSC
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That was the company that recommended the worlds largest Textile firm JP
Stevens divide up into divisional companies. There are only a one or two of
those companies left the rest when bankrupt. They really hurt a large number of
people.
Regards
HP Enterprise Services
Infrastructure
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--snip---
People don't need college to learn Java. Java's available for
free, it handles the kind of applications an amateur knows likes to
play with, and it is easy to find help on the Web.
People don't need college to learn brain
--snip:
Accenture is saying that now might be the time for banks to replace
their core systems and retool to new technology. They don't actually
say it, but it sounds to me like their saying that big banks should get
off the mainframe.
---snip--
I just believe that's the way CEOs and CIOs will read it. Most of them really
think that the mainframe, especially using z/OS, is old technology even with
the changes that have been put in place.
I really love this
-snip---
Gee, I didn't finish High School. Better slit my throat now...
And I dropped out of college, twice, never finished. What's your point?
Sensitive much? Sheesh.
unsnip---
I gave up
---snip--
I mean, how many times on this list do we keep harping on about how
wonderful it was when we had to handcraft our own IO routine
etc etc!!
Who is we? I don't believe that I'm the only one one this list to write
that I would
Hi:
This is a little self-serving for Accenture. If banks continue to modernize
their legacy systems, Accenture won't be able to sell their services and
the software they developed for BBVA and I believe for BS (Spanish banks).
I am sure the software, hardware and consulting costs will be
Sure! It's like a headline which says that Microsoft says everybody should run
Windows. Or a consulting firm recommending that they be hired. Or an
outsourcer saying that outsourcing is the inexpensive wave of the future. In
other words, consider the source. Unbiased they ain't!
On 30 Nov 2009 09:59:09 -0800, sc...@aitrus.org (Scott) wrote:
I'm not necessarily arguing for leaving the Mainframe, but cleaning up the
dungheap of COBOL is long overdue and now *is* the time for that.
Periodically, the business model needs to be re-analyzed, and the IS
model should be changed
On 30 Nov 2009 09:35:05 -0800, d...@bkassociates.net (Doug Fuerst)
wrote:
How does replacing one mainframe with loads of hot running servers save
money? This is nothing more than more Accenture bigotry against
mainframes. The regulatory environment is likely to dictate LESS brands
and services
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 1:35 PM, Howard Brazee howard.bra...@cusys.eduwrote:
Periodically, the business model needs to be re-analyzed, and the IS
model should be changed to better fit the changed business model.
The core of the new system, as the core of the old system, should be
the data
They don't actually say it, but it sounds to me like their saying that big
banks should get off the mainframe. comments?
Having worked in the financial sector for most of my career, I would say it's a
very bad idea.
Nothing beats the integrity, reliability, and security of mainframe.
(Of
Scott wrote:
I'm not necessarily arguing for leaving the Mainframe, but cleaning up the
dungheap of COBOL is long overdue and now *is* the time for that. Accenture
is only a company you hire if you want an offshore entity to cook your books
while you bankrupt your stockholders. Accenture is
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according to Accenture
I'm not necessarily arguing
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sc...@aitrus.org (Scott) writes:
With a cheaper job market, now is the time to hire hands to go through your
massive libraries of copy-and-paste COBOL and begin
Accenture is saying that now might be the time for banks to replace
their core systems and retool to new technology. They don't actually
say it, but it sounds to me like their saying that big banks should get
off the mainframe. comments?
I agree that Enterprise COBOL has the potentiality for excellent code. One
thing lacking that exist for Java, Perl, Ruby, and other such languages is a
HUGE support library. CPAN has so much good stuff in it that writing something
like a browser in Perl is simple. Try it in COBOL. What COBOL
Well ..., if somebody really wanted to do this, then I'd really recommend the
CobolRecordGenerator that comes with z/OS Java SDK (written by the geniuses at
Dovetailed Technologies - yes, I'm impressed). Compile your COBOL with ADATA.
Use the aforementioned program to read the ADATA and create
I'm not necessarily arguing for leaving the Mainframe, but cleaning up the
dungheap of COBOL is long overdue and now *is* the time for that. Accenture
is only a company you hire if you want an offshore entity to cook your books
while you bankrupt your stockholders. Accenture is just another
How does replacing one mainframe with loads of hot running servers save
money? This is nothing more than more Accenture bigotry against
mainframes. The regulatory environment is likely to dictate LESS brands
and services in the future, especially if a Glass-Steagall replacement
is eventually
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