Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

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Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

> Begin forwarded message: > > From: Steve Thompson > Subject: Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program. > Date: September 5, 2023 at 2:27:52 PM CDT > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Reply-To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > > And so we can now under

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> > Bill, There are at least 2 large DC’s that run a majority of their production in assembler, that I know personally. The coding is quite complex, ie multi tasking in Production and doing cross memory “stuff”. While I know 2 isn’t a lot there is hope yet. The multitasking is a wonder and

Re: Legal Problems with ChatGPT [Was Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.]

: Tuesday, September 5, 2023 5:27 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Legal Problems with ChatGPT [Was Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.] Here is a take-off on the forbes article which is from the Legal Ethics Law 360 email list (I also get the transportation law stuff

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Bill Johnson <0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2023 12:15 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program. In fact I’m not. Bec

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program. On Wed, Sep 06, 2023 at 09:02:28PM +0200, Bernd Oppolzer wrote: > IIRC, in the first years of HLLs, there were some debates that HLLs > are not usable because of the poor code the compilers generate

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

r approach. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Bernd Oppolzer Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2023 11:13 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program. Am 07.09.2023 um 01:40 schrieb Leonard D Woren: > Michael Stein wrote on

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

Monty the Mustang will be disappointed. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Wednesday, September 6, 2023, 9:25 PM, Matt Hogstrom wrote: Sorry Dave but I’m skipping to Bill’s response.  I recently blocked Bill's e-mail and don’t get to see his posts apart from people’s responses.  For

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

Am 07.09.2023 um 01:40 schrieb Leonard D Woren: Michael Stein wrote on 9/6/2023 3:45 PM: [...] PL/1 F level subroutine calls did a getmain/freemain for each subroutine call. Too much overhead to call even one subroutine for each of 30K records on a 360/91 & MVT. Well, my recollection is that

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

Sorry Dave but I’m skipping to Bill’s response. I recently blocked Bill's e-mail and don’t get to see his posts apart from people’s responses. For those that might be interested … block 0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

Most businesses disagree with you and are spending billions to achieve. https://www.accenture.com/us-en/services/ai-artificial-intelligence-index Comparing 1973 to 2023 is like comparing a model T Ford to a space-X rocket. Technological advances are coming faster & faster. The phone in my hand

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

I tried Chathpt to write the prolog part of an assembler prolog. It did not do badly but what it put out needed a little work but it was repairable Sent from my iPhone No one said I could type with one thumb > On Sep 6, 2023, at 18:30, Leonard D Woren wrote: > > Bill Johnson wrote on

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

Michael Stein wrote on 9/6/2023 3:45 PM: [...] PL/1 F level subroutine calls did a getmain/freemain for each subroutine call. Too much overhead to call even one subroutine for each of 30K records on a 360/91 & MVT. Well, my recollection is that if you had only Static storage, no Automatic

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

Bill Johnson wrote on 9/6/2023 6:27 AM: [...] AI is the future. [...] FSV "future".  Who remembers the "Parry" program from the early 1970s?  At SAIL, later renamed to SU-AI.  Oh, if you weren't on the ARPAnet circa 1973, you probably never saw Parry.  It was the first AI program I knew

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

On Wed, Sep 06, 2023 at 09:02:28PM +0200, Bernd Oppolzer wrote: > IIRC, in the first years of HLLs, there were some debates that HLLs > are not usable because of the poor code the compilers generated at that > time. This was true even in the 1960s for the first versions of PL/1. A lot later than

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

BCl>, as it was never > implemented. > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf > of Bernd Oppolzer > Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2023 3:02 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Simple request from chatG

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

> of Bernd Oppolzer > Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2023 3:02 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program. > > Ok ... not quire correct, but: > the first ASSEMBLER languages go back to the years 1947 to 1951, i

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

__ From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Bernd Oppolzer Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2023 3:02 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program. Ok ... not quire correct, but: the first ASSEMBLER languages go back to the years 1947 to 1951, i

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

Ok ... not quire correct, but: the first ASSEMBLER languages go back to the years 1947 to 1951, if my sources are right; there was some sort of ASSEMBLER for the 701 (which was available in 1953, IIRC). The first HLL was Fortran, IMO, which should be 1956 ca. So there are some years in the

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

V.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program. Assembler is of little value and declining every year for most Installers/Systems Programmers not a part of ISVs. Which is the vast majority. Putting down other people in this profession is the MO of guys like the terrib

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

M-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program. Thanks a lot, it would be always better to give even a very small ASSEMBLER program a test run instead of simply posting it to a public web site. I will fix this on Wikipedia as soon as I can. I'm no

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

If you wrote that code on Wiki from scratch without ever assembling it, that's pretty amazing. My method is to basically copy, modify, and let the computer find my problems - with lots of iterations. It's just a different way to work I guess. On 9/6/2023 12:29 AM, Bernd Oppolzer wrote:

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

rv.ua.edu> Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2023 9:09 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program. Assembler is of little value and declining every year for most Installers/Systems Programmers not a part of ISVs. Which is the vast majority.

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

Since I’ve never worked in a RACF shop, ACF2 & Top Secret only, is this relevant? Or is your narcissism really strong today? Do you know what a narcissist is? Because you’re textbook. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Wednesday, September 6, 2023, 10:30 AM, David Spiegel

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

Hi Bill, Do you know the meaning of "non sequitur"? What is the connection between my attention to detail, your mother's career and your winning awards? Now that you're busy boasting, why don't you also tell us which state gave you the awards? Since you're the self-proclaimed expert on the

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

I’m betting Google’s chatbot is better. I haven’t tried it out yet. AI is the future. Assembler is not. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Wednesday, September 6, 2023, 9:24 AM, Clem Clarke wrote: ChatGPT says that that it is a few years out of date often when you ask a "political" type

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

ChatGPT says that that it is a few years out of date often when you ask a "political" type question. So I have been experimenting with Google's AI - Bard.Google.com. And I like it. Recently, I have asked it about some programming.  Like "please code this:"  It isn't always accurate, however

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

Lol, it pays to do thorough research. 1818 it began. https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/legal-information-management/article/lexisnexis-the-future-of-law-since-1818/08BFF6F4025EB3800E2E44681CA6025C Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Wednesday, September 6, 2023, 9:05 AM, Joe Monk

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

Assembler is of little value and declining every year for most Installers/Systems Programmers not a part of ISVs. Which is the vast majority. Putting down other people in this profession is the MO of guys like the terrible twenty. Who claim that if you don’t know or use assembler, you’re just

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

"LexisNexis is over 200 years old..." Bull. LexisNexis was started by a lawyer in 1956... Joe On Wed, Sep 6, 2023 at 7:57 AM Bill Johnson < 0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > Shocking, LexisNexis is over 200 years old and is designed specifically > for legal purposes.

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

What you are quoting (1., 2., 3.) are facts ... of course true, and nothing to dispute about. But your conclusions are wrong ... Assembler is of value anyway; Ray Mullins DID say that. For example for studying the outcome of translators and for performance analysis etc. IMO knowledge of

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

Shocking, LexisNexis is over 200 years old and is designed specifically for legal purposes. ChatGPT is less than a year old and isn’t designed (yet) for the legal profession. Good choice picking the LexisNexis one. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Wednesday, September 6, 2023, 8:48 AM,

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

Which brings up another 'interesting' anecdote.   I used chatGPT to 'write' a set of bylaws for a new non-profit for a youth sports club.   I asked it over a dozen times with different wording, and it came back with a wide variety of results - some that were long and included many sections,

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LOL, good find Dave. I love how in your head I am. But, you won’t find many grammar or spelling errors. My mom was a teacher. Dave has relegated himself to spelling and grammar checks. Which takes me back to the state awards in Algebra and Geometry I received. At the top in those subjects.

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

My favourite use of Assembler was an E15 sort exit. I developed it to enable access to CA-Datacom database tables. It was originally written for a VSE shop and it proved to be so useful (and fast), I maintained the code when I worked in MVS shops. It was enhanced over the years to be condensed

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

Thanks a lot, it would be always better to give even a very small ASSEMBLER program a test run instead of simply posting it to a public web site. I will fix this on Wikipedia as soon as I can. I'm not sure if ASSEMBLER should be used by humans :-) given this episode. In fact, it was used in

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

Your sample assembled fine but abended 0C1. I made some minor mods. Hope you don't mind my pretend German in the comments :) The biggest problem is trying to use R15 as a base. That gets messed up by OPEN. The other problem is LA instead of L when loading R13 for the return. I mix those

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

Well, it depends. My #ENTER allocates a large stack area for all parms and save areas used within the macro set (and associated programs). That way each subprogram doesn't have to do it's own getmain and chaining. The plan was to be able to code ASM with some of the ease of C coding,

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 19:03:53 -0700, Tom Brennan wrote: >Oops... Yes! I was thinking ENTER/EXIT. My own macro set uses #ENTER >and #EXIT. I put the pound sign on everything so there's no confusion >with real instructions or IBM macros (well, at least I hope!) > At that, I'll switch to the Dark

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

The "version history" of the German Wikipedia article shows that I added this ASSEMBLER source code in 2015. The page already existed, but there was no Mainframe example, which motivated me to add one. I thought some minutes about adding another source using the ASSEMBLER of the German

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

Oops... Yes! I was thinking ENTER/EXIT. My own macro set uses #ENTER and #EXIT. I put the pound sign on everything so there's no confusion with real instructions or IBM macros (well, at least I hope!) On 9/5/2023 6:52 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 11:27:15 -0700, Tom Brennan

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

True, but you certainly implied it in the notes I pasted below. And yes, my comprehension of basic English are terrible. My biggest problem is with singular and plural verbs. On 9/5/2023 5:46 PM, Bill Johnson wrote: I never once said it would assemble or run. I can see why you guys went

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 11:27:15 -0700, Tom Brennan wrote: >Which is a bit strange, because I would expect that every ASM program >ChatGPT looked at would have had something for that at the top and >bottom, even if it was just ENTRY/EXIT macros or similar. > Isn't ENTRY an Assembler instruction, not

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

Maybe the program disqualifies because of the German comments? But: this should be no problem for ChatGPT ... translation to english ... Kind regards Bernd Am 06.09.2023 um 03:31 schrieb Bernd Oppolzer: What I meant to say: it would have been better, if ChatGPT had used this (my) ASSEMBLER

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

What I meant to say: it would have been better, if ChatGPT had used this (my) ASSEMBLER program from German Wikipedia ... but apparently, it found the bad program from another source ??? Bill did not ask for a certain logic in his request; he simply asked for some mainframe Assembler program

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FWIW: ChatGPT could have used this ASSEMBLER program, which I posted some years ago to German Wikpedia ... this does not do the addition of two integers, but instead it is a simple Hello World program. In contrast to the program provided by ChatGPT, it has no errors (I hope) and it will

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

Hi Bill, You said: "...Your comprehension of basic English are terrible. ..." Doorknob, it should have been "is terrible". Another case of the pot calling the kettle black. Open mouth, change feet. Regards, David On 2023-09-05 20:46, Bill Johnson wrote: I never once said it would assemble or

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I never once said it would assemble or run. I can see why you guys went into IT. Your comprehension of basic English are terrible. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 8:22 PM, Tom Brennan wrote: Oh that's funny!  Then what are these notes from you I found in my

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Here’s a prime example Bernd. Dummy Dave always likes his superior cut downs. Thinks he’s intelligent. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 8:39 PM, David Spiegel <0468385049d1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: Hi Tom, +1 You forget that it took Bill and 2

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As always happens here. I am attacked and disrespected. Then when I respond in kind, your cult feigns innocence.  Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 8:19 PM, Bernd Oppolzer wrote: I told you "I try to answer respectfully" ... doesn't work always, especially if I

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

Hi Tom, +1 You forget that it took Bill and 2 colleagues to modify IEFUSI. Regards, David On 2023-09-05 20:21, Tom Brennan wrote: Oh that's funny!  Then what are these notes from you I found in my trash folder?  Sounds like you were sure it would assemble and run perfectly, and also be able

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

Oh that's funny! Then what are these notes from you I found in my trash folder? Sounds like you were sure it would assemble and run perfectly, and also be able to take over someone's job today. Why do you doubt it? Is it because you hope it doesn’t? Certainly, one of you assembler

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I told you "I try to answer respectfully" ... doesn't work always, especially if I am called an idiot in the very same mail that I am answering to. Kind regards Bernd Am 06.09.2023 um 01:53 schrieb Bill Johnson: If you consider this respectful, there’s something wrong with you. “So your

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If you consider this respectful, there’s something wrong with you.  “So your JCL expertise qualifies you as a systems programmer ... that's  interesting.” Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 7:36 PM, Bernd Oppolzer wrote: I am not bashing it. I am simply telling

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No, but someone who extrapolates my JCL expertise as my only expertise deserves that response. Or perhaps dummkopf. Yes, I have 3 years of German, which served me well in Munich, Regensburg, Austria, & Switzerland.  Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 7:36 PM,

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I never presented it as a working model. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 7:36 PM, Bernd Oppolzer wrote: I am not bashing it. I am simply telling you that it has a bunch of errors and it will not work. It's kind of interesting to me that, while I try to

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It will abend for sure. Joe On Tue, Sep 5, 2023 at 5:52 PM Bernd Oppolzer wrote: > It will not work, because almost every single instruction has an error > or two. > Every programmer with a little bit ASSMBLER experience can see this; > this ChatGPT program has no grasp of instruction

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I am not bashing it. I am simply telling you that it has a bunch of errors and it will not work. It's kind of interesting to me that, while I try to answer repectfully to your mails, almost every answer from you contains the word "idiot" or "idiotic", which is the same in German, so I

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

I find it stunning the technology people are trying to hang onto the past (assembler) and bashing the future. (ChatGPT) Or perhaps that’s what aging people do. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 7:04 PM, Bill Johnson

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It doesn't even establish addressability. Joe On Tue, Sep 5, 2023 at 5:52 PM Bernd Oppolzer wrote: > It will not work, because almost every single instruction has an error > or two. > Every programmer with a little bit ASSMBLER experience can see this; > this ChatGPT program has no grasp of

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

You people are idiots. Chatgpt just came out. Nobody, including me, said it was going to replace you today, or tomorrow. But, it will replace you. Autonomous vehicles are coming too. In fact, they are already on the road. Perfect? Not yet. But getting closer daily. Flying cars are a few

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It will not work, because almost every single instruction has an error or two. Every programmer with a little bit ASSMBLER experience can see this; this ChatGPT program has no grasp of instruction formats, DCBs or the proper use of I/O macros. I will not go into the details here ... the

Legal Problems with ChatGPT [Was Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.]

Here is a take-off on the forbes article which is from the Legal Ethics Law 360 email list (I also get the transportation law stuff too): Insurance Coverage For ChatGPT Legal Fiasco: A Hypothetical

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mollybohannon/2023/06/08/lawyer-used-chatgpt-in-court-and-cited-fake-cases-a-judge-is-considering-sanctions/ On Tue, Sep 5, 2023 at 4:03 PM Bob Bridges wrote: > > Can't remember whether I read about it here or somewhere else, but apparently > there was a recent

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

Nutz, I gave away that the code might assemble and run under VSE Oh the horrors of it all!! Does this mean that Person of Interest is really true? ;-) Steve Thompson On 9/5/2023 4:45 PM, Tom Brennan wrote: Quiet!! ChatGPT does this on purpose so it can read responses and get ASM

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Can't remember whether I read about it here or somewhere else, but apparently there was a recent episode in which a lawyer got an AI machine to write a legal brief for him. It looked impressive, but it turned out the precedents the brief cited didn't exist; the AI made them up. The judge

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Quiet!! ChatGPT does this on purpose so it can read responses and get ASM training from us puny humans :) On 9/5/2023 1:06 PM, Tom Marchant wrote: Nor does it know how to code instructions. I don't know what this should be, but it isn't adequateor correct: MAIN C 0NUM1

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

ChatGPT could have written the requirement in PL/I, compiled and produced the Assembler listing. The Assembler generated would work, albeit incredibly wordy. It does appear that the PUT macro was confused usage of a PL/I PUT statement. No conversion attempted to get from full word to a

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Nor does it know how to code instructions. I don't know what this should be, but it isn't adequateor correct: >MAIN C 0NUM1 Check if NUM1 is zero ZERO is not a label on code: > BE ZEROBranch to ZERO if true NUM1 is not a DCB address > GET

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

And so we can now understand that when a paralegal or newly minted attorney uses it to find case law for points and authorities, it will will make them up to match what was being searched for when it prepares a motion it was asked for using the results of the search. And some attorneys got a

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 11:27:15 -0700, Tom Brennan wrote: >Which is a bit strange, because I would expect that every ASM program >ChatGPT looked at would have had something for that at the top and >bottom, even if it was just ENTRY/EXIT macros or similar. > >On 9/5/2023 11:10 AM, David Spiegel wrote:

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

Which is a bit strange, because I would expect that every ASM program ChatGPT looked at would have had something for that at the top and bottom, even if it was just ENTRY/EXIT macros or similar. On 9/5/2023 11:10 AM, David Spiegel wrote: Hi Tom, It looks like ChatGPT is not aware of

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Hi Tom, It looks like ChatGPT is not aware of "Housekeeping". Regards, David On 2023-09-05 13:47, Tom Brennan wrote: GET and PUT use R14, so as Tom Marchant said, if the program managed to get that far it would never return to the OS. On 9/5/2023 10:21 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Tue, 5

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

GET and PUT use R14, so as Tom Marchant said, if the program managed to get that far it would never return to the OS. On 9/5/2023 10:21 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 11:34:13 -0500, Tom Marchant wrote: [if] it made it to the BR 14, it would loop. ??? Rather, that

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 11:34:13 -0500, Tom Marchant wrote: >[if] it made it to the BR 14, it would loop. > ??? Rather, that appears to be one of the few correct instructions. If R14 hasn't been modified since entry, it returns to caller. SR 15,15 Set return code

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 10:20:20 -0500, Tom Marchant wrote: >You're right, Tom. That is not a program. Certainly not one that will do what >it claims to do. > Mostly right. A private maaclib might make it come closet. Suppose the private GET reads a floating point number from a POSIX descriptor.

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

Concur Dean. Its power is that it can search all of its processed content fast and give a reasonable response that people can read. I think the real threat from AI is bad actors that use that data for nefarious purposes. All tech that we have can be used for good or evil. The problem is

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

I spent a bit of time playing with chatGPT to see what it could do.   So did my two sons - one an MS in biotech, the other a PhD in theoretical physics.    We all came to the same conclusion - chatGPT is a very, very good Google search that can filter many different possible 'answers' and come

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

No. You are too lazy to verify that what you copied/pasted matched the source and you want others to make your argument for you? Not me. I've got work to do. -- Tom Marchant On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 16:04:05 +, Bill Johnson wrote: >Lol, how about going to chatgpt and asking the same question.

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

Dave always thinks his ideas are “better”. The sign of a narcissist and if you ever interview with or work for this type, get a new job. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 12:25 PM, David Spiegel <0468385049d1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: Hi Bill, I

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

Bill, formatting or not, the program makes no sense. Anyone who has taken even a couple of ASM classes would know the BE ZERO alone makes no sense, branching to a constant F'0'? Good luck. Then the GET "DCB" is a DC fullword instead of a DCB. So that would be fun since GET expects a branch

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

We are all retired. The other 2 went before me. I went in July 2022. You’re an idiot regardless. What are you afraid of? That a computer can do what you do? That your “skills” aren’t all that impressive and can be automated away? Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, September 5, 2023,

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I see 8 errors. There might be more. If you were to correct the missing comma that David pointed out, it would abend. Probably with a S0C1 on the GET. But if those errors were to be corrected and it made it to the BR 14, it would loop. This is what it does when it decides on the specifications

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

Hi Bill, I have a better idea. Why don't you and the 2 buddies who helped you modify the IEFUSI fix it? Probably because you don't have the wherewithal (even with 2 helpers). Regards, David On 2023-09-05 12:04, Bill Johnson wrote: Lol, how about going to chatgpt and asking the same question.

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Lol, how about going to chatgpt and asking the same question. So that cut and paste isn’t a factor. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 12:02 PM, David Spiegel <0468385049d1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: Hi Steve, It won't. The first executable

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

Hi Steve, It won't. The first executable statement is missing a comma between operands. Regards, David On 2023-09-05 11:43, Steve Thompson wrote: I doubt it will assemble. And even if it does, the results are unpredictable, other than it will probably ABEND for one reason or another.

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Why do you doubt it? Is it because you hope it doesn’t? Certainly, one of you assembler geniuses could test it. Like Mullins said, and others mentioned, most companies that run z/OS don’t need assembler programmers. That numbers in the thousands if not ten thousand. Whereas ISV’s who are the

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

I doubt it will assemble. And even if it does, the results are unpredictable, other than it will probably ABEND for one reason or another. There are no DCB, OPEN, CLOSE macros while GET and PUT are being used. Me thinks this AI system is confusing a few different assembly languages

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

You're right, Tom. That is not a program. Certainly not one that will do what it claims to do. -- Tom Marchant On Mon, 4 Sep 2023 10:42:51 -0700, Tom Brennan wrote: >I can't be sure I formatted it properly, but after looking over the >code, I have nothing to say but WTF? :) > >

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

mber 4, 2023 4:48:22 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program. I just moved the cursor to where I thought a line should end and pushed Return. On 9/4/2023 11:04 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: > On Mon, 4 Sep 2023 10:42:51 -0700, Tom Brennan wrot

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

M-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program. I just moved the cursor to where I thought a line should end and pushed Return. On 9/4/2023 11:04 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: > On Mon, 4 Sep 2023 10:42:51 -0700, Tom Brennan wrote: > >> I can't b

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

I just moved the cursor to where I thought a line should end and pushed Return. On 9/4/2023 11:04 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Mon, 4 Sep 2023 10:42:51 -0700, Tom Brennan wrote: I can't be sure I formatted it properly, ... What did you do to fix it? (List the steps, or did you just retype

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

2023 4:25 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program. On Mon, 4 Sep 2023 19:54:56 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >The original is the exact octets that chaatGPT gave you. QP encoding is not >the original. > If ChatGPT identifie

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

On Mon, 4 Sep 2023 19:54:56 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >The original is the exact octets that chaatGPT gave you. QP encoding is not >the original. > If ChatGPT identified the recipient as a MUA and honored RFC 822++'s USASCII requirement, some encoding was necessary after it had made two

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

o: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program. On Mon, 4 Sep 2023 18:54:21 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >I'd have to view the original in hex before I'd even try to guess. > Ask ChatGPT to fix it! What's "the original"? Here's wha

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

On Mon, 4 Sep 2023 18:54:21 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >I'd have to view the original in hex before I'd even try to guess. > Ask ChatGPT to fix it! What's "the original"? Here's what my MUA shows as "Raw Source". no linebreaks; no trailing spaces; lotsa NBSP: Chatgpt: Certainly!

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

UA.EDU Subject: Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program. On Mon, 4 Sep 2023 18:28:35 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >I've had situations where pasting to and copying from notepad (not wordpad) >fixes similar issues. > vi expanded the NBSP. Is there a fix for the newli

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

On Mon, 4 Sep 2023 18:32:29 +, Bill Johnson wrote: >Not sure. My experience with chatgpt is minimal. I installed it on the iPhone >a month or two ago and this is my second attempt to get it to do something.  > It's like "Genuine Fractals". It looks like Assembler code only when viewed from

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

On Mon, 4 Sep 2023 18:28:35 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >I've had situations where pasting to and copying from notepad (not wordpad) >fixes similar issues. > vi expanded the NBSP. Is there a fix for the newlines? Just give ChatGPT D- and a makeup assignment. -- gil

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

Not sure. My experience with chatgpt is minimal. I installed it on the iPhone a month or two ago and this is my second attempt to get it to do something.  Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, September 4, 2023, 2:25 PM, Paul Gilmartin <042bfe9c879d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu>

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