Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

2008-08-28 Thread Alan Altmark
On Wednesday, 08/27/2008 at 07:48 EDT, Thomas Kern [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the VM stack and the linux stack were both connected to a VSWITCH, would monitoring function in the physical switch see that clear text data is being transfered from VM to linux? No. Data is sent directly to the

Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

2008-08-27 Thread Michael Coffin
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Altmark Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 5:10 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location On Wednesday, 08/20/2008 at 03:20 EDT, Michael Coffin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not in front of a VM terminal, so forgive me

Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

2008-08-27 Thread Alan Altmark
On Wednesday, 08/27/2008 at 06:20 EDT, Michael Coffin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh Drat. :( We have a mandate that ALL FTP must be secure FTP, and it's going to be enforced very (VERY) soon. We may have to continue doing the darned intermediate file method in order to use the CMS FTP

Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

2008-08-27 Thread Thomas Kern
If the VM stack and the linux stack were both connected to a VSWITCH, would monitoring function in the physical switch see that clear text data is being transfered from VM to linux? /Tom Kern Alan Altmark wrote: On Wednesday, 08/27/2008 at 06:20 EDT, Michael Coffin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

2008-08-22 Thread Alan Altmark
On Wednesday, 08/20/2008 at 03:20 EDT, Michael Coffin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not in front of a VM terminal, so forgive me is this is documented - but is secure FTP supported? I don't recall seeing a parm for it (doesn't mean it's not there and I didn't see it). :) Not in the

Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

2008-08-21 Thread Jorge Souto
¿SPXTAPE will support dump to disk in the future? Thanks 2008/8/20 Dave Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, Jiri. This is way cool, many thanks for doing the work and sharing it. I think it's going to make life a bit easier for some folks. Some suggestions: 1) There seems to be an undocumented

Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

2008-08-21 Thread Rick Troth
This is huge! Thanks Jiri! If we were all on FBA, then copying disks would be as trivial as copying files because the disk would be must a big block-o-bytes. But since z/VM is still saddled with ye olde CKD tricks because of the indirect influence of z/OS, this new ability to *convert* a disk

Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

2008-08-21 Thread Imler, Steven J
(Steven) Imler CA Senior Sustaining Engineer Tel: +1 703 708 3479 [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Bohnsack Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 09:56 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote

Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

2008-08-21 Thread Huegel, Thomas
@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location Hi, Jiri. This is way cool, many thanks for doing the work and sharing it. I think it's going to make life a bit easier for some folks. Some suggestions: 1) There seems to be an undocumented option in at least the FTPGET stage

Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

2008-08-21 Thread David Boyes
¿SPXTAPE will support dump to disk in the future? There's a requirement for supporting PIPE connections like the DDR mods that were just made available. Status is unknown at the moment other than IBM has seen it and seems to understand the desire for the function, but hasn't made any

Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

2008-08-21 Thread Fran Hensler
Jiri and Bruce - What is the minimun level of VM required to run DRPC and PIPEDDR? I have been trying unsuccessfully to run both in z/VM 3.1. I have tried with both the CMS Pipelines and the Princeton Runtime Pipes. pipe ddr dump195 ddrin a | 195 dump c DMSABE141T Operation exception occurred

Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

2008-08-21 Thread Bruce Hayden
Your PIPEDDR syntax would be: pipeddr dump * 195 (ftp -h xx.sru.edu -u xx -p xxx -f fran.ddr I forgot to put ftp examples in the help when I sent it. They are in there for the next update. A restore could be: pipeddr restore * 195 (ftp(-h xx.sru.edu -u xx -p xxx

Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

2008-08-21 Thread Dave Jones
to me.. Another step towards a tapeless society. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dave Jones Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:34 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location Hi, Jiri

Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

2008-08-21 Thread Schuh, Richard
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Imler, Steven J Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 4:09 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location CA's V/Seg does backup

Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

2008-08-21 Thread Fran Hensler
Dave Jones' SFB VMARC is now on my download page at http://zvm.sru.edu/~download or http://zvm.sru.edu/~download/SFB.VMARC As Dave says in his DOC: The normal distribution is for z/VM 5.1 5.2 and 5.3 I haven't been able to get it to work in z/VM 3.1 . Note that the download may be slow

Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

2008-08-21 Thread Fran Hensler
I now have running on z/VM 3.1 PIPEDDR, FTPPUT and FTPGET. Thanks Bruce, /Fran --- On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 11:10:27 -0400 Bruce Hayden said: Your PIPEDDR syntax would be: pipeddr dump * 195 (ftp -h xx.sru.edu -u xx -p

Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

2008-08-21 Thread Jiri Stehlik
Hello, In its current implementation DRPC requires z/Architecture and therefore it will not run under z/VM 3.1. I'll try to look at the code again, see if I can change this, but it will probably require a bit of work. -George z/VM I/O Development IBM Endicott The IBM z/VM Operating System

Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

2008-08-20 Thread Dave Jones
Hi, Jiri. This is way cool, many thanks for doing the work and sharing it. I think it's going to make life a bit easier for some folks. Some suggestions: 1) There seems to be an undocumented option in at least the FTPGET stage -- -DVDEOF. Of course, this might have meaning only in the case

Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

2008-08-20 Thread Bruce Hayden
Since the DRPC package has now made the ftpget/ftpput stages available and documented them, I added an ftp option to my PIPEDDR package so that disks can be dumped and restored to and from and ftp server. You can find it at http://www.vm.ibm.com/download/packages/descript.cgi?pipeddr via the

Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

2008-08-20 Thread Michael Coffin
] On Behalf Of Jiri Stehlik Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 1:22 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location A while ago there was a thread here about the ability to DDR DASD to remote location. Well there is an answer! I modified DDR so it can communicate with CMS

Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

2008-08-20 Thread Jim Bohnsack
I'm surprised that your posting about being able to backup/restore DCSS/NSS files to disk was not jumped on by a lot of people. I'd love to have that. Does it/can it restore the original creation DCSS/NSS date? The date problem and the fact that IBM's DCSSBKUP only works with DCSS's, not

DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

2008-08-19 Thread Jiri Stehlik
A while ago there was a thread here about the ability to DDR DASD to remote location. Well there is an answer! I modified DDR so it can communicate with CMS PIPES (DDR can now be a pipe stage). The modules can be downloaded from here: http://www.vm.ibm.com/download/packages/descript.cgi?DRPC

Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

2008-08-19 Thread Kris Buelens
Waw, that sounds great. 2008/8/19 Jiri Stehlik [EMAIL PROTECTED]: A while ago there was a thread here about the ability to DDR DASD to remote location. Well there is an answer! I modified DDR so it can communicate with CMS PIPES (DDR can now be a pipe stage). The modules can be downloaded

Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

2008-08-19 Thread David Boyes
A while ago there was a thread here about the ability to DDR DASD to remote location. Well there is an answer! I modified DDR so it can communicate with CMS PIPES (DDR can now be a pipe stage). The modules can be downloaded from here:

Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

2008-08-19 Thread Michael Coffin
?). Thanks George, can't wait to try it out! :) -Mike -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jiri Stehlik Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 1:22 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location A while ago

Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

2008-08-19 Thread Eric R Farman
Hi Dave, Have you talked to the product owner? There is an open requirement against DDR that you could be a hero by helping them close it. Yep, George has been working on this project with that exact requirement in mind. Considering the recent discussions here on this very topic, we

Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

2008-08-19 Thread David Boyes
Yep, George has been working on this project with that exact requirement in mind. Fantastic. That's exactly what I wanted to hear. Q: does this version also include the CMSDDR mods? No, this is an otherwise unmodified DDR module. Yeah, about 3 seconds after hitting send I realized that

Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

2008-08-19 Thread Alan Altmark
On Tuesday, 08/19/2008 at 01:49 EDT, David Boyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you talked to the product owner? There is an open requirement against DDR that you could be a hero by helping them close it. LOL. George left one small thing off of his signature: z/VM I/O Development IBM

Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

2008-08-19 Thread Phil Tully
Details details details.! Thanks Alan Altmark wrote: On Tuesday, 08/19/2008 at 01:49 EDT, David Boyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you talked to the product owner? There is an open requirement against DDR that you could be a hero by helping them close it. LOL.

Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

2008-08-19 Thread Fran Hensler
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 13:21:40 -0400 Jiri Stehlik said: http://www.vm.ibm.com/download/packages/descript.cgi?DRPC The FTPPUT and FTPGET PIPE stages were also included and documented at the above address. I have the latest CMS PIPLINES but it doesn't include FTPGET and FTPPUT. I can't find them on

Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

2008-08-19 Thread Adam Thornton
On Aug 19, 2008, at 1:39 PM, Fran Hensler wrote: On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 13:21:40 -0400 Jiri Stehlik said: http://www.vm.ibm.com/download/packages/descript.cgi?DRPC The FTPPUT and FTPGET PIPE stages were also included and documented at the above address. I have the latest CMS PIPLINES but it

Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

2008-08-19 Thread David Boyes
LOL. George left one small thing off of his signature: z/VM I/O Development IBM Endicott Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott Well, far be it from me that I suggest that VM Development begin to talk to themselves. You lot 're odd enough to begin with...8-) -- db

Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

2008-08-19 Thread Jiri Stehlik
Hello, I compiled the FTPPUT and FTPGET pipe stages into the DRPC Module. So once you execute it, three pipe-stages (FTPPUT, FTPGET and DDR) will get registered. -George (on Alan's insistance): z/VM I/O Development IBM Endicott The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU wrote on

Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

2008-08-19 Thread Adam Thornton
On Aug 19, 2008, at 1:48 PM, David Boyes wrote: Well, far be it from me that I suggest that VM Development begin to talk to themselves. You lot 're odd enough to begin with...8-) As Zork so eloquently put it, Talking to yourself is said to be a sign of impending mental collapse. Adam

Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

2008-08-19 Thread Ed Zell
As Zork so eloquently put it, Talking to yourself is said to be a sign of impending mental collapse. You see, I was never worried about it when I talked to myself. I only started to wonder when I started ANSWERING myself. That's when even the wife and kids leave the room and stay out of my

Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

2008-08-19 Thread Fran Hensler
On Aug 19, 2008, at 1:39 PM, Fran Hensler wrote: I have the latest CMS PIPLINES but it doesn't include FTPGET and FTPPUT. I can't find them on the IBM Download site either. Where can I get them? On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 13:48:20 -0500 Adam Thornton said: Run INSTPIPE MODULE from MAINT 2CC. I'm

Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

2008-08-19 Thread Graves Nora E
As Zork so eloquently put it, Talking to yourself is said to be a sign of impending mental collapse. I prefer to think of this as discussing the problem with the person who understands it the best. That's my story and I'm sticking with it. Nora Graves

Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

2008-08-19 Thread Adam Thornton
On Aug 19, 2008, at 2:29 PM, Fran Hensler wrote: On Aug 19, 2008, at 1:39 PM, Fran Hensler wrote: I have the latest CMS PIPLINES but it doesn't include FTPGET and FTPPUT. I can't find them on the IBM Download site either. Where can I get them? On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 13:48:20 -0500 Adam

Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

2008-08-19 Thread Thomas Kern
Now if we could get the TERSE/DETERSE stages added, we might get these du mps down to a better size for transferring cross-country. /Tom Kern /301-903-2211 On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:49:38 -0400, Jiri Stehlik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wro te: Hello, I compiled the FTPPUT and FTPGET pipe stages into the

Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

2008-08-19 Thread Schuh, Richard
@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location Now if we could get the TERSE/DETERSE stages added, we might get these du= mps down to a better size for transferring cross-country. /Tom Kern /301-903-2211 On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:49:38 -0400, Jiri Stehlik [EMAIL

Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

2008-08-19 Thread Thomas Kern
Does VMARC work as a pipe stage? Writing 3390-m9s as cms files and then reading then, compressing them and writing them as cms files is too much I/O for the process. A pipe stage to properly compress the piped input is necessary for efficiency. The PACK stage can be used but it doesn't buy y ou

Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

2008-08-19 Thread Schuh, Richard
No. it doesn't. Keep plugging for a way. Regards, Richard Schuh -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Kern Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 1:38 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD

Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

2008-08-19 Thread Hans Rempel
] On Behalf Of Jiri Stehlik Sent: August 19, 2008 1:22 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location A while ago there was a thread here about the ability to DDR DASD to remote location. Well there is an answer! I modified DDR so it can communicate with CMS PIPES (DDR

Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

2008-06-20 Thread Alan Altmark
On Wednesday, 06/18/2008 at 01:01 EDT, McKown, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If this is like some things in z/OS, the response from IBM development will be along the lines of: It is not documented because we don't want anyone else to use it. We don't want others to use it because if they do,

Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

2008-06-20 Thread Huegel, Thomas
Of Alan Altmark Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 1:07 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location On Wednesday, 06/18/2008 at 01:01 EDT, McKown, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If this is like some things in z/OS, the response from IBM development will be along

Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

2008-06-20 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Huegel, Thomas Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 9:04 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location Wouldn't it be 'nice' if things like that were 'available

Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

2008-06-20 Thread Peter . Webb
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of McKown, John Sent: June 20, 2008 10:31 To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Huegel, Thomas Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 9:04

Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

2008-06-20 Thread Huegel, Thomas
To Remote Location -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Huegel, Thomas Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 9:04 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location Wouldn't it be 'nice' if things like

Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

2008-06-20 Thread Thomas Kern
If source code were available for all of the entries on the IBM Downloads website, then groups of people wanting to use some function in production could take over the support of the code. Sort of like the Waterloo Mods and VMShare, we can fix/enhance the code together. /Tom Kern On Fri, 20

Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

2008-06-20 Thread Michael Coffin
Just like Open Source. :) -Mike -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Kern Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 11:02 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location If source code were available

Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

2008-06-20 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Coffin Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 1:22 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location Just like Open Source. :) -Mike Yeah, but WHICH

Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

2008-06-20 Thread Thomas Kern
The VM community shared a lot more code before people started worrying ab out licensing. I don't remember anyone making money off of the Waterloo Mods. /Tom Kern On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 13:27:35 -0500, McKown, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, but WHICH LICENSE? There are a LOT of them. And the

Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

2008-06-20 Thread Mark Post
On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 3:41 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Thomas Kern [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The VM community shared a lot more code before people started worrying about licensing. I don't remember anyone making money off of the Waterloo Mods. And most of that was before the Berne

Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

2008-06-18 Thread Tom Duerbusch
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Duerbusch Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 3:42 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location It depends on your recovery window. In the shop where we don't have disaster recovery tests, the window is officially 3 months, but I have

Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

2008-06-18 Thread Huegel, Thomas
Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aria Bamdad Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 1:44 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 13:00:37 -0400 Michael Coffin said: Hi Aria, We are on an IBM 2066-0B1 with ESCON channels to an IBM

Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

2008-06-18 Thread Michael Coffin
System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Huegel, Thomas Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 11:25 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location We could BEG IBM to add native VTAPE to z/VM .. even 'lowly VSE' supports VTAPEs. -Original Message- From: The IBM

Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

2008-06-18 Thread Schuh, Richard
/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Coffin Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 8:54 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location VTAPE is a Virtual Software Systems, Inc. (VSSI) commercial product and already runs on VM

Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

2008-06-18 Thread Adam Thornton
On Jun 18, 2008, at 9:04 AM, Michael Coffin wrote: Hi Tom, Holy Cow! A 3 MONTH recovery window?!?!? I don't think I've ever come across such a generous recovery window, most companies would be out of business in 3 months without access to their mission-critical systems. :) On another

Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

2008-06-18 Thread Edward M. Martin
too. Ed Martin 330-588-4723 ext 40441 -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Coffin Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 11:54 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location VTAPE is a Virtual

Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

2008-06-18 Thread Huegel, Thomas
it. But why not in z/VM? -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Michael Coffin Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 10:54 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location VTAPE is a Virtual Software Systems, Inc

Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

2008-06-18 Thread Huegel, Thomas
: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ed Zell Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 11:13 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location That is excatally what it can do in VSE.. Point the output to an IP address where the client is running

Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

2008-06-18 Thread David Boyes
3 months was chosen back in the early '80s. This is local government. As Mel Brooks would say: It's good to be the king!

Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

2008-06-18 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location On Jun 18, 2008, at 9:04 AM, Michael Coffin wrote: Hi Tom, Holy Cow! A 3 MONTH recovery window?!?!? I don't think I've ever come across such a generous recovery window, most companies would be out of business in 3 months without access

Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

2008-06-18 Thread Norbert Alfred Müller
Hi Michael, we use as DR a VTL from BusTech, the MAS. So, we have FICON attached a MAS, and we write our tapes in normal open systems disks. Then, the reseller here in Germany, mainstorconcept, installed also a replication module over IP and now we have all the virtual tapes in a second DR

Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

2008-06-18 Thread Michael Coffin
Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 12:32 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location Yes, Adam is quite correct, the new install procedures for z/VM (at least for the past couple of releases) does employ an undocumented FTP PIPE stage. I don't

Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

2008-06-18 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Coffin Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 11:49 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location Well ain't this a kick in the pants! Yes indeed

Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

2008-06-18 Thread Rich Smrcina
that might provide a clue as to what parms are required and/or supported. -Mike -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 12:32 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD

Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

2008-06-18 Thread Ed Zell
Something I have done in the past is to use DoctorD in VSE which has a feature to create standalone DDR'ish backups of VM volumes.. That way they are labeled and in the EPIC catalog too. It worked fine in DR tests, back when we used real tapes. Tom, We also have Doctor D on VSE, and I

Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

2008-06-18 Thread Hans Rempel
and then use FCOPY to restore the VM system. No DDR just standalone FCOPY. Hans -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Zell Sent: June 18, 2008 1:19 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

2008-06-17 Thread Michael Coffin
(Cross-posted on VMESA-L and LINUX-390) Hi Folks, I want to eliminate use of tapes in my weekly DR process. Currently we DDR numerous 3390 spindles to 3590 tape cartridges. I have set up a Linux server at our DR site with a ton of free disk space, but the question becomes what is the best

Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

2008-06-17 Thread Adam Thornton
On Jun 17, 2008, at 10:42 AM, Michael Coffin wrote: Can anyone recommend a nice client that can run on Linux and listen on a TCPIP port, accept some authorization credentials and host commands (i.e. MKDIR, CD to dir, etc.) and receive/write to disk a stream of data similar to what

Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

2008-06-17 Thread Thomas Kern
When experimenting with encrypting backups, I used PIPEDDR to write PACKE D versions of the data to a CMS minidisk. These are RECFM F LRECL 1024 and can be ftped to Linux and back as binary files, forcing the RECFM/LRECL on return. PIPEDDR can then be used to read these files and restore your DAS

Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

2008-06-17 Thread Mike Walter
Mike Coffin wrote: so I have to COPYFILE (PACK the output from DDR2CMS Neatly avoiding the direct question, in case no one can provide the requested solution... have you tried using a PIPE to read in the DDR2CMS file, run it through the PACK stage, and replace it on disk? It *may* be faster

Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

2008-06-17 Thread Michael Coffin
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 12:13 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location Mike Coffin wrote: so I have to COPYFILE (PACK the output from DDR2CMS Neatly avoiding the direct question, in case no one can provide the requested solution... have you tried using

Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

2008-06-17 Thread Michael Coffin
System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Kern Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 11:59 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location When experimenting with encrypting backups, I used PIPEDDR to write PACKED versions of the data to a CMS minidisk

Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

2008-06-17 Thread Tom Duerbusch
The back half of this also needs to be considered. In case of an actual disaster, the process you are using requires a running VM system before you can do the restore. Disaster recovery sites have VM running. If you have your own replacement hardware, you can bring up the VM starter system,

Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

2008-06-17 Thread Thomas Kern
If you have your own hotsite, you can prestage a copy of the 530RES, 530W 01, etc volumes and have all of your special code on that system. Or a more compact 1 volume DR recovery system, a 3390-m9 is MORE than enough space. /Tom Kern /U.S. Dept of Energy /301-903-2211 On Tue, 17 Jun 2008

Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

2008-06-17 Thread Thomas Kern
This is where it would be nice if Linux had a special filesystem driver f or WRITING CMS minidisks. Yes, DOE purchased an ATL of the new encrypting tape drives that z/VM can not directly use because of the lack of an out-of-band EKM at our DR vendor. So z/OS performs ALL of our backups, at least

Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

2008-06-17 Thread Michael Coffin
Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Duerbusch Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 12:31 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location The back half of this also needs to be considered. In case of an actual disaster

Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

2008-06-17 Thread Aria Bamdad
On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 11:42:13 -0400 Michael Coffin said: have to COPYFILE (PACK the output from DDR2CMS. DDR2CMS takes around 47 minutes/spindle, and the COPYFILE takes around 38 minutes - the FTP only takes around 17 minutes! So we are really wasting nearly 90 minutes/spindle just prepping the

Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

2008-06-17 Thread Michael Coffin
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aria Bamdad Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 12:54 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 11:42:13 -0400 Michael Coffin said: have to COPYFILE (PACK the output from DDR2CMS. DDR2CMS takes around 47 minutes

Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

2008-06-17 Thread Michael Coffin
PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location I do like the monkey boy concept. I keep trying to go towards that state. You have a menu driven system, which implies you are not restoring to bare iron. So what was prestaged? Do you have a mini VM system

Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

2008-06-17 Thread Aria Bamdad
The added cycles for software encryption is a problem for me also. I use an drive enclosure made by Addonics that encrypts everything on the drive using various levels of encryption. It's all hardware based and to get to the data on the drive, you need to plug in the encryption key before you

Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

2008-06-17 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
for the kind words, too. DJ Original Message: - From: Michael Coffin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 13:38:01 -0400 To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location Hi Tom, Yep, we were also looking at Dave's VM/Encrypt product and I REALLY