There is no rule requiring nosebands in FIRO (sport competition rules)
Phil
Icelandic Horse Farm
Robyn Hood Phil Pretty
Vernon BC Canada
www.icefarm.com
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Anyone know if there are icelandic-style trainers that train for
natural
gait?
I don't know of any particularly - most of them do aim for tolt.
However, some trainers here, if the horse does not show any
ability or
aptitude for gait, are
--- Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
my spare time went to working with Tivar, and treating his
ulcers, etc
I know a few other Icelandic Horses with ulcers; I think they had
the too
much, too soon not-so-gentle start.
When we bought Trausti and Fylla, they both had ulcers.they
--- Mic Rushen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 22:34:16 -0600, you wrote:
sometimes transitioning a horse from shoes to barefoot takes
a long time.
And sometimes, it's not possible at all, depending on the horse,
where
he's ridden, and the conditions he's kept in (for
There is no rule requiring nosebands in FIRO (sport competition rules)
Ironic...even I knew that, but showing isn't on my agenda, certainly not in
Icelandic classes. It seems odd that the judges at US shows are always
Icelandic - Too bad the judges aren't more familiar with the rules.
Karen
I know it is not what is desired.and personally I do not desire it
either from my IcelandicsI want the smoother tolt for sure
Actually, some foxtrots are extremely smooth. I'm sure when Brunka
foxtrots, most people would rave over her tolt, not aware of the
difference. In fact, I
I think the damage that causes white hairs can happen fairly quickly.
IME it's the appearance of the white hairs that may be delayed until the
growth of the new coat, or it may even be the next same season coat before
the white hair shows up.
That's what I believe too - so it's not terribly
Me too. I can't remember it staying this hot for so longMAYBE, we'll
get a break over the next couple days.
You should. Monday was drizzly and barely got to 60, cloudy most of
the day. That morning it was 43 when I went out to let the horses out.
Robyn S
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To: IceHorses@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [IceHorses] KY Icelandic show
There is no rule requiring nosebands in FIRO (sport competition
As Renee wrote in this case it was, other people, not the judges who
were consulted. I don't think it is fair to accuse judges of not knowing the
rules.
Ok, fine, then the much-touted GUDMAR should certainly know the rules.
If you want to get really picky, I'm pretty darned sure the
On 12/09/2007, Robyn Hood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As Renee wrote in this case it was, other people, not the judges who were
consulted. I don't think it is fair to accuse judges of not knowing the
rules.
Phil
Hi Phil:
I'm at work right now, otherwise I'd check for myself. But was there
a
I'm at work right now, otherwise I'd check for myself. But was there a
rule about using nosebands and shanked bits? Wasn't there a rule against
that?
Up until recently (two years maybe?) there was a rule against using dropped
nosebands with shanked bits - traditional hunter-type
not sure what good it did but turns out my hysteria saved the
applaloosa sunday... she took him to two vets and both said he has
anhydrosis and both said he would have most likely dropped dead if
ridden another 2.5 hours. One in fact said he should never be ridden
again unless he starts
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Hello Judy,
Gudmar was walking around talking to everyone. I actually asked him if
I could show without a noseband and he said I don't think so. I then
asked several other people (I was not able to talk to one of the judges
did you clicker train her to fly like that? I have been trying to get
nasi to do that...
Janice
--
yipie tie yie yo
On Wed, Sep 12, 2007 at 09:05:25AM -0400, Karen Thomas wrote:
I think the damage that causes white hairs can happen fairly quickly.
IME it's the appearance of the white hairs that may be delayed until the
growth of the new coat, or it may even be the next same season coat before
the white
my most awesome gaited horses were trained by me. and i just try not
to get in their way with stuff. I rode stonewall saturday and at one
point on the clay road back I let him stretch his legs and I was so
grateful for my perfect smooth gaited well behaved horse. barefooted,
loose rein, mild
On Tue, Sep 11, 2007 at 01:09:00PM -0700, Judy Ryder wrote:
Do any of the trainers know how to train the fox trot to a horse that shows
that tendency?
remember that the icelanders view tolt as a spectrum, from trot
through trotty tolt through perfect through pacy. and they don't
insist that
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Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 8:03 AM
To: IceHorses@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [IceHorses] was KY Icelandic show now nosebands
As Renee wrote in this case it was, other people,
somebody needs to put something tight on him besides his pants.
!!!SNORT!!!
Mic
Mic (Michelle) Rushen
---
Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs:
www.solva-icelandics.co.uk
remember that the icelanders view tolt as a spectrum, from trot
through trotty tolt through perfect through pacy.
Yes, it seems like they do. See this message from July 2003:
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/message/28011
The problem is: The gait spectrum is not based around
Considering it is new coat time and Vicka is suddenly seeing white hairs,
it's very possibly a recent event that has caused damage.
IME the damage can happen with very brief periods pressure.
Also IME the white hairs can go away if the damage was caused by a very
brief event and was not too
For some reason, I got a post from the Icelist, and at the same time
my entire list inbox disappeared. As there were over 2000 posts in
there, as you can imagine I'm not a very happy bunny.
Can you recover them? Are they in your Recycle Bin? Or could the list
folder been accidently
On Wed, Sep 12, 2007 at 08:46:03AM -0700, Judy Ryder wrote:
what you call a fox trot they'd just call a trotty tolt and work with
as such.
But it's not.
oh, for goodness' sake. i said, and i repeat, that's what THEY'd call
it, not what YOU'd call it.
--vicka
On Wed, Sep 12, 2007 at 04:54:05PM +0100, Mic Rushen wrote:
somebody needs to put something tight on him besides his pants.
!!!SNORT!!!
*snicker* i suspect he finds his wedding ring from gigja adequately
tight, or perhaps nokkvi's now-three-year-old hugs :)
--vicka, partly considering
Karen, I am not picking a fight just trying to correct what I thought
was an innocent mis-reading of someone else's post. Please consider that
many list members would find it more pleasant if every issue was not dealt
with in an adversarial way.
There are days, Phil, when what is pleasant to
Here is the video I took sunday of the appaloosa horse in distress
after a 2.5 hour ride. It wasnt all that hot and we didnt ride all
that hard but i took this video a full hour AFTER we had stopped to
rest. i convinced them to let me call the sheriff to take me back to
get the trailer. now the
On Wed, Sep 12, 2007 at 09:58:58AM -0600, IceDog wrote:
Good for you Vicka for trying to identify and remedy the cause of the white
hairs. You may have caught it quickly enough that they may disappear over
time.
thanks for the very kind words!
i hope it does get better. i'm treating the
On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 08:46:03 -0700, you wrote:
what you call a fox trot they'd just call a trotty tolt and work with
as such.
But it's not.
No, it's not a trotty tolt, it's a fox trot, but for an island which
does not actually have a word for fox trot and tends to use tolt as a
cover-all word
As Icelandics are a breed known for tolt, rather than fox trot, I can't
see this changing among the thousands who don't read this list.
It depends...maybe if you don't expect the profile of Icelandic owners to
change over time. Maybe not for the ones who only know Icelandic's and not
other
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Hello All,
This was on ablackhorse.com:
*
Take a look at the post HD03 posted about
I've had two teenage boys, my adult daughter and a 10 year old grandaughter
up on Tosca, always with me holding her for them to mount.
Since everyone is back in school (daughter teaches), today was my day.
Tosca stood like an old broke horse while I mounted from a mounting block,
stood still
Since everyone is back in school (daughter teaches), today was my day.
Tosca stood like an old broke horse while I mounted from a mounting block,
stood still until I asked her to move off, than walked sedately around the
round pen on a long rein. All alone, just the two of us in the morning sun.
--- Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
he did give a foxtrot the other day, she was happy
that he was showing a soft gait and did not try to clean it
up.
Does she plan to encourage the fox trot?
It's a good thing to do to build on one gait and get it
consistently before
moving
--- Nancy Sturm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It was 99 degrees here yesterday, and the horses are growing coats.
Nancy, in normally cool Oregon
Yes it is too bad that they grow their winter coats based on the
amount of daylight instead of heat.our friends Icelandics down
the road are
How do you feed like that Skye? The black oil sunseeds and beet pulp are
part of what I feed my TWH to keep weight on him. Our Icelandics would
weigh 1200 lbs with his diet.
Nancy
On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 09:02:24 -0700, you wrote:
Can you recover them?
Nope - nowhere to be found. Growl.
Mic
Mic (Michelle) Rushen
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Subject: [GaitedEnduranceRiders] Nice video
This was sent to me by a horse friend: Check it
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, Robyn Hood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Please consider that many list members would find it more pleasant if
every issue was not dealt with in an adversarial way.
Phil
---Me included. I actually stop and try to picture
telling people what I am
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
and of course i'm already working on seeing if i can
determine/remediate the cause...stjarni's comfort and well-being matter
to me more than anything.
--vicka
-Vicka, what does Kaaren say about the white hairs?
Does
On 9/12/07, Mic Rushen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
and she was wearing the lightest possible over-reach boots
I could find (she's very pacey, and I didn't want her to hurt herself
if - when - she paced fast around the corners).
What are over-reach boots? Our Gat is very pacey, should she wear
let him put his head where he needs it. My
husband said later he wished he had a camera cause stonewall was so
flashy and beautiful, so smooth and gaiting so effortlessly.
When I've ridden Santana bridleless at the RW, he puts his head just
below the level neck. That seems to be where he is
--- Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As Renee wrote in this case it was, other people, not the
judges who
were consulted. I don't think it is fair to accuse judges of not
knowing the
rules.
Ok, fine, then the much-touted GUDMAR should certainly know the
rules.
If you want
Dawn, what a great idea. I think sometimes when we put things in
writing, they can come out sounding pretty harsh. Nancy
Yep, and I confess, I AM having a bad day... but we have a few people who
only seem to come on the list to defend the same old practices, even when
they continue to
This was sent to me by a horse friend: Check it out. B
Barbara, NC
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=966_1187636093
I believe I saw this--what a beautiful, touching video.
thanks--very timely
Robyn S
Dawn, what a great idea. I think sometimes when we put things in writing,
they can come out sounding pretty harsh.
Nancy
On 9/12/07, Nancy Sturm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Way to go Janice. You saved the horse's life.
Definitely! However, there was a horse kept at the barn where I took
H/J lessons for a while. Can't remember his barn name, but his fancy
name was No Sweat, in part b/c he had anhydrosis. The owner
On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 12:43:00 -0400, you wrote:
...but considering how many potential horse owners
actually DO understand that non-tolt gaits exist, that could change easily.
Not quickly though, with the way the majority of Icelandics in the USA
are trained, marketed and shown.
Mic
Mic
--- Nancy Sturm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How do you feed like that Skye? The black oil sunseeds and beet
pulp are
part of what I feed my TWH to keep weight on him. Our Icelandics
would
weigh 1200 lbs with his diet.
Nancy
They do not get a lot of itAlfalfa has much more protein
On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 15:20:58 -0300, you wrote:
What are over-reach boots?
Sorry, bell boots in Usanian. If you are expecting to be riding fast
pace around corners or on rough ground, and your horse has the sort of
conformation that makes over-reaching a likelihood, then it might be a
good idea,
the lady called and thanked me.
Janice
At least she had enough sense to do that - good for you, Janice.
--
Laree
On 9/12/07, dawn_atherton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, Robyn Hood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Please consider that many list members would find it more pleasant if
every issue was not dealt with in an adversarial way.
Phil
---Me included. I
wow how scary
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now the vet said I saved his life... but what good
is it maybe ... the vet said he can never be ridden again if he doesnt
sweat but maybe he will recover some. he has anhydrosis, it is
official now.
Our dressage instructor had a horse with Anhydrosis and he rode and
competed him quite
On 9/12/07, Mic Rushen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Not quickly though, with the way the majority of Icelandics in the USA
are trained, marketed and shown.
Mic
and especially considering that most people who breed and train,
market and show icelandics in america don't know the various gaits
i am finding a mixed blessing with this early winter coat tho Skye.
It is buggy here too and the last month I was getting frantic about
them rubbing hair off on trees cause of bugs, but now all of a sudden
its not that much cooler, same amount of bugs are out and they are
better. All I can figure
she is gonna have to get a lot more observant! Maybe this was her
wakeup call. It was only about a half hour before we stopped that she
galloped him up a steep sandy hill and I was thinking Tivar was too
hot and wore out to do that so thought I'd pass and sit it out. She
said she had no idea at
I will be a guest speaker at the University of Auburn International
Rabies Symposium Sept 27 at 6:00 PM. If you are near there email me
offlist and maybe we can do lunch earlier in the day... it is in
Huntsville, AL. My vet will be a speaker also.
Janice
--
yipie tie yie yo
Ha Ha He actually wears loose pants.
?Renee
lately when i walk into the room my african grey screams WE'RE HAVIN A
PARTY!! in the most happiest thrilled tone. Its baffling since i
dont believe my husband nor I have ever uttered those words in my
life, not like he does. Sounds like entering a motel room at panama
city beach at spring
Are there any icelandic-style trainers who train for natural gait?
How about any icelandic-style trainers that start horses bitless?
Judy
all holar students are for an example starting their horses bitless
and every trainer/breeder wants to have natural gaitedness as it take´s to
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
But its not good to be nasty because then you lose an opportunity
to attract bees with honey and not vinegar. and then also I notice:
sometimes when people start arguing the whole point gets lost behind
the argument!
I noticed the same thing. Hunter, the TWH is having a terrible time with
late season flies. Tosca, with her heavier coat, has the same number of
flies, but she's not particularly troubled. Of course, we're talking two
animals with very different temperments.
Nancy
We had to laugh out loud.
Nancy
I try to ask myself: is it good for horses and people for me to say
this... We have a wonderful opportunity here to really make a difference!
We have seen it with walking horses! We shut down the WGC last year! for
the first time in a 60 year history! So i try and say what I think
lately when i walk into the room my african grey screams WE'RE HAVIN A
PARTY!! in the most happiest thrilled tone.
When Smokey was first learning to talk, I noticed her saying This in a deep,
manly voice. It took me a while to figure it out...why would a bird say,
This. Finally, about a
I will be a guest speaker at the University of Auburn International Rabies
Symposium Sept 27 at 6:00 PM. If you are near there email me offlist and
maybe we can do lunch earlier in the day... it is in Huntsville, AL. My
vet will be a speaker also.
Wow, Janice. I think congratulations
On 9/12/07, Laree Shulman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Our dressage instructor had a horse with Anhydrosis and he rode and
competed him quite asuccessfully at fairly high levels - he just took
special care with him- he was a PercheronXTB. This horse may be done
with riding in long, hot trail
On 9/12/07, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Wow, Janice. I think congratulations are in order, but considering what you
had to go through to get the honor, it's bound to be very sad too. Maybe
what you, Donny and Stali went though will help some other horse somewhere
along the
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as for tight nosebands, i just feel like its just so BEYOND
established that a horse learns from THE RELEASE. so constant
pressure equals: zero release. right? right.
Janice
--
yipie tie yie yo
On 9/12/07, Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Charm has her own pool!
I had to run in K-Mart the other day and saw the kid's wading pool on
sale... $7, so I got one to play with.
stonewall bent his when he tried to lay down in it, plus he scared all
the ducks.
Janice
--
yipie tie yie yo
Tosca stood like an old broke horse while I mounted from a mounting block,
stood still until I asked her to move off, than walked sedately around the
round pen on a long rein.
Congrats! Can you get a video for us? Set the camera on something, pointed
in the general direction, and just
she feeds just oat/alf cubesours get free choice
minerals and salt, grass hay, black oil sunflower seeds, beet pulp
and some alfalfa...or they are on pasture and get alf cubes and sun
seeds.
Gotta watch the oats and alfalfa with Icelandics and any pony that is
thrifty, as it can spark
lately when i walk into the room my african grey screams WE'RE HAVIN A
PARTY!! in the most happiest thrilled tone. Its baffling since i
dont believe my husband nor I have ever uttered those words in my
life, not like he does.
Janice
African Grays and Amazon parrots love words spoken loudly
Cherie Mascis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had to fire a parrot from our Marine
World show because it would say shit under it's breath while it was doing
tricks, and it would be picked up by the microphone!
Cherie
I have a BG that does a great cafe scene from When Harry Met Sally.
YIKES!! Not
and she was wearing the lightest possible over-reach boots
I could find (she's very pacey, and I didn't want her to hurt herself
if - when - she paced fast around the corners).
What are over-reach boots? Our Gat is very pacey, should she wear those?
The boots are not necessarily used
what you call a fox trot they'd just call a trotty tolt and work
with as such.
But it's not.
No, it's not a trotty tolt, it's a fox trot,
I would like to see a video of what the icelandic-style trainers believe is
a trotty tolt.
Does anyone have one?
but for an island which
does not
...but considering how many potential horse owners
actually DO understand that non-tolt gaits exist, that could change
easily.
Not quickly though, with the way the majority of Icelandics in the USA
are trained, marketed and shown.
We definitely need a big change in how the horses are
a sloping big shoulder and a neck that connects to the back of
the withers
Skye, do you have a picture of a sloping shoulder? What degree of slope is
it?
Judy
http://icehorses.net
http://clickryder.com
Does anybody on here think dropped, tight nosebands are a good
thing?? if so, state your case so i can argue with you sensibly :)
-Now that's a good question Janice :-). I personally
don't ride in one. I can't answer if they are good, bad right or
wrong. But I can tell
Please consider that many list members would find it more pleasant if
every issue was not dealt with in an adversarial way.
I actually stop and try to picture
telling people what I am typing face to face before posting. If I
wouldn't say it to their face, I won't type it. If it sounds
The boots are not necessarily used because the horse is pacey, but
because of the conformation (legs that are not straight), or rider
interference (causing the horse to lean or they've come to use their bodies
that way with a rider), so that the legs interfere with one another.
In fact, a pacey
as for tight nosebands, i just feel like its just so BEYOND
established that a horse learns from THE RELEASE. so constant
pressure equals: zero release. right? right.
Correct.
The release teaches.
And that is one of the reasons why the gait deteriorates and isn't sustained
without
Are there any icelandic-style trainers who train for natural gait?
How about any icelandic-style trainers that start horses bitless?
Judy
all holar students are for an example starting their horses
bitlessand every trainer/breeder wants to have natural gaitedness as
it take´s to
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, Cherie Mascis
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
African Grays and Amazon parrots love words spoken loudly and
emphatically and loud sound effects. They often pick up sounds like
things shouted on TV, cuss words, squeaky doors, barking dogs, bedroom
sounds and
the more I let
him know something bothered me, the more he would do it.
It took a couple of years for this one to go
away by ignoring it and making sure he never heard it again.
The ClickRyder list has been having a discussion about ignoring behaviors.
Here's Tam's original post:
Over the
On 12/09/2007, Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Here is the video I took sunday of the appaloosa horse in distress
after a 2.5 hour ride.
Poor guy. He is certainly very handsome. Maybe things will work out for him.
Man...I love your accents down there. I'd stick out like a sore
Tonight I finally got a break and went to say hi to my guys. When I
got there, there was an extra mule in the pasture, one with a halter
and leadrope on. A scared to death 2 year old john who had
apparently gotten loose from a ponying exercise and gotten into the
pasture with my guys. Every
Oh yes, Rocky barks like a long dead dog. I've had people on the other end
of a phone conversation ask, WHAT in the world is wrong with that dog?
Nancy
I try to ask myself: is it good for horses and people for me to say
this... We have a wonderful opportunity here to really make a
difference! We have seen it with walking horses! We shut down the
WGC last year! for the first time in a 60 year history! So i try and
say what I think
I thought about it, but the round pen has round tubing for walls and my very
favorite thing in the world is the chance to have my horse all to myself (in
this case, of course, Stephanie's pony) where we can concentrate on each
other. Probably the next time some one else rides her, I can get a
Now that's a video we should have seen.
Nancy
starting to follow me in circles, I wanted to see how much I might
be able to get him to follow on feel, not pull him. This really only
took maybe ten minutes. The owner did note that my mules really seem
to know what that clicker means:)
Good job, Kim!!!
How great was the feeling?!?!?
Now that's a video we should have seen.
I got one, but haven't put it in the right format yet... but it will be
coming.
Judy
http://icehorses.net
http://clickryder.com
6. Put the behavior on cue...then withhold the cue
I'm trying this one on my mule. Zoe has gotten into the habit of
taping me on the leg with her front foot when I turn around and give
another horse attention, of course I turn around to tell her no:) so
she gets attention for it, gets
Janice, You did the right thing... I just don't understand why they did not
notice it sooner, I am always watching Jewel, granted last summer we got
into a terrible situation, but even then about 15 minutes into it he was
breathing ok, and eating, by an hour I was back on him, and we gaited in
On Wed, Sep 12, 2007 at 11:39:58AM -0500, Janice McDonald wrote:
whoops I guess I only sent the pic of Jas, here is the one of teevs
back from the same saddle pad In my opinion. what hgappens I think is
when nylon webbing gets wet with sweat, and salty, it is very
abrasive!
wow. tivar's
Karen,
The thrown shoe with the hoof material looks like equipak. I have
seen this used by the Icelandic show people to get the horse to pick up their
feet better. My farrier uses it when a sole is tender or bruised for some
reason. It is a soft gel like material.
Oh gee.
Nancy
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