Hi.
I am commenting of this one because the same point was made on GA-DNSO, and
is worthed discussing. I am repeating my point over here.
Andy Gardner wrote:
What _is_ the point in having a meeting in Santiago?* Has ICANN done a
version of their website en Español? If not, do they expect
Diane Cabell wrote:
There is no refusal to hold elections, Jay. Mr. Sims was responding to Eric
Weisberg's suggestion that ICANN hire outside professionals to run the
election. Mr. Sims points out that there are no ICANN funds to pay a
professional organization to do this. As your own figures
On 19 July 1999, Ellen Rony [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...]
ICANN is tasked to administer names and addresses. Its stakeholders are
those who have names and addresses or provide infrastructure and services
related to same. In order to have an IP address or register a domain name,
one must
What level would be fair? I don't know. But as domains currently
cost an individual $35 a year, one would hope the cost would be lower
than this.
$5 - $10. There was some consenss on this in Geneva.
--
Richard Sexton | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://dns.vrx.net/tech/rootzone
On 19 July 1999, "Richard J. Sexton" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What level would be fair? I don't know. But as domains currently
cost an individual $35 a year, one would hope the cost would be lower
than this.
$5 - $10. There was some consenss on this in Geneva.
Sounds great to me, but I'll
Nobody was railroaded out. There was a short period when some hot-tempers
caused a few short-lived changes to the mail list. All members of the
IDNO are welcome on its mailing lists. But one should also not forget,
that like any other organization, the members are free to set the
At 04:59 PM 17/07/1999 -0700, William X. Walsh wrote:
There was some question over his being removed from a list on the
website of founding members. Kevin was asked for some clarification,
which he never provided. But NO ONE removed him from the IDNO or the
IDNO mailing lists.
Kevin is still
At 06:00 PM 17/07/1999 -0700, Kent Crispin wrote:
It's not a legitimate constituency, in my opinion, and in the
opinion of quite a few others. No other constituency flashes up a
little "loyalty oath" when you try to join.
No other constituency is meeting so much resistance and obstruction
At 07:32 PM 17/07/1999 -0700, Dave Crocker wrote:
By the list owner:
1. Enforcement of participation rules, post hoc and without documentation
or group approval
Not true.
2. Assertion of organizational goals which were without documentation and
without group approval
Not true.
The
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Subject: Re: [IFWP] Why fail on purpose?
At 12:45 PM 7/18/99 , Joe Sims wrote:
Since neither the legal nor the pr folks are being paid, the comparison is
not very
At 12:00 PM 7/18/99 -1200, you wrote:
Dave,
Should the USG reject the ICANN as NewCo, based solely on it's flawed
History.
Yes.
++
Gene Marsh
president, anycastNET Incorporated
330-699-8106
Sunday, July 18, 1999, 8:54:33 AM, Dave Crocker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In any event my position, now, is that IDNO does not represent the stated
constituency and has much too flawed a history to justify its being selected.
In other words, since the INDO will not explicitly support the CORE
At 03:27 PM 7/18/99 -0700, you wrote:
Sunday, July 18, 1999, 8:54:33 AM, Dave Crocker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In any event my position, now, is that IDNO does not represent the stated
constituency and has much too flawed a history to justify its being selected.
In other words, since the
Joe,
Perhaps you did not like the questions coming from Jay Fenello. OK.
As a representative of:
Diebold Incorporated
anycastNET Incorporated
Top Level Domain Association
I respectfully ask you to answer the following questions:
Has Jones Day ever *invoiced* ICANN for
any services or any
Joe Sims wrote:
Jay, it was a hard lesson, but I've learned that nothing useful comes from
engaging with you, so I don't plan to.
What's this, Mr. Sims? You're afraid to tell us how much money
you've taken, so you refuse to answer? Are you taking the Fifth? Is
this another confession?
Jay
Roberto wrote:
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 13:36:58 +0200
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [IFWP] Why fail on purpose?
Tony Rutkowski wrote:
It is plainly preposterous to suggest that you need
big bucks to hold an election. This isn't a presidential
election campaign or the United Nations
Gene Marsh wrote:
Then where are the elections? All I hear is plenty of excuses. I hav not
even seen any effort to call for potential candidates, let alone any call
for election, or even setting of a tentative date.
Perhaps you aren't looking in the right places. All of the reports and
Joop's site is terrific. It's very clever and easy to navigate. It is a very
nice polling site. I estimate his cost for the three trips at around $4500.
David Johnson has an excellent one also.
Add the fact that it isn't just the votes that have to be authenticated (the use
of a password is
On Sat, 17 Jul 1999, Diane Cabell wrote:
Perhaps you aren't looking in the right places. All of the reports and
recommendations, plus the Board resolutions and timelines are on the ICANN
site. There are steps between here and there. There are very few personnel
available to undertake
At 09:42 AM 7/17/99 -0400, you wrote:
Joop's site is terrific. It's very clever and easy to navigate. It is a very
nice polling site. I estimate his cost for the three trips at around $4500.
David Johnson has an excellent one also.
Add the fact that it isn't just the votes that have to be
On Sat, Jul 17, 1999 at 08:14:55PM +1200, Joop Teernstra wrote:
Roberto and all,
The IDNO constituency will prove to you and to ICANN that Tony is right.
Voting is now underway for a 21 member steering committee for the IDNO.
OTOH, you railroaded David Crocker, Kevin Connolly, and I out of
Amen, bro! A righteous statement. :-)
Patrick Greenwell wrote:
Perhaps if ICANN were to have concentrated most of its efforts on this
task, rather than delving into areas that far exceed its' mandate,we
wouldn't be having this conversation. :-)
On Sun, Jul 18, 1999 at 06:07:02AM +1200, Andy Gardner wrote:
OTOH, you railroaded David Crocker, Kevin Connolly, and I out of the
group, and there is a clear systematic anti-ICANN bias in the IDNO.
ICANN - that's the supposed "open" organisation that is blocking the
recognition of IDNO?
I
Kent Crispin wrote:
I'll offer the same thing for lower cost, on my servers, and I will
throw in some security expertise as well. Sound fair?
How would you feel about serving on an elections implementation committee? I
would also recommend Jim Dixon, Diane Cabell and Joop Teernstra.
At 09:24 AM 7/17/99 -0400, you wrote:
Gene Marsh wrote:
Then where are the elections? All I hear is plenty of excuses. I hav not
even seen any effort to call for potential candidates, let alone any call
for election, or even setting of a tentative date.
Perhaps you aren't looking in the
Joe Sims wrote:
Diane, and I hope you continue; it is helpful. One point I should make: a
very significant hurdle to any election process is the lack of money to run
it. It might well be a sensible strategy, especially at this stage of its
As a late-comer to this debate ... could I have
On Sat, Jul 17, 1999 at 03:55:44PM -0400, Gene Marsh wrote:
At 09:24 AM 7/17/99 -0400, you wrote:
My point is only that the elections were to be at the highest level of
priority,
There are clearly other, higher, priorities. The White Paper, the
Green Paper, the MoU with NTIA all quite
On 17 July 1999, Kent Crispin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, Jul 18, 1999 at 06:07:02AM +1200, Andy Gardner wrote:
Stick to your day job.
Security is my day job.
Would this be your day job with a company that was rife with Chinese
spies?
I wouldn't exactly trot that out as support for
At 01:26 PM 7/17/99 -0700, you wrote:
On Sat, Jul 17, 1999 at 03:55:44PM -0400, Gene Marsh wrote:
At 09:24 AM 7/17/99 -0400, you wrote:
My point is only that the elections were to be at the highest level of
priority,
There are clearly other, higher, priorities. The White Paper, the
Green
Diane and all,
Diane Cabell wrote:
Joop's site is terrific. It's very clever and easy to navigate. It is a very
nice polling site. I estimate his cost for the three trips at around $4500.
David Johnson has an excellent one also.
Add the fact that it isn't just the votes that have to be
Kent and all,
IF security is your "Day Job" than this explains allot about why the
LLNL is in such deep hot water with the congress regarding
security issues...
Kent Crispin wrote:
On Sun, Jul 18, 1999 at 06:07:02AM +1200, Andy Gardner wrote:
OTOH, you railroaded David Crocker, Kevin
On Sat, Jul 17, 1999 at 12:07:29PM -0700, Kent Crispin wrote:
[...]
OK. Good. I will be kent1@hotmail -- kent9@hotmail, all
generated by software, all having different passwords, all voting my
way.
Password protection is amazingly naive.
You haven't done your homework.
Saturday, July 17, 1999, 2:39:56 PM, Kent Crispin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Joop's statement about passwords was naive, because a fraudulent
voter *with* a password is no better than a fraudulent voter
*without* a password. The primary problem remains, as Diane pointed
out, authenticating
Joop's statement about passwords was naive, because a fraudulent
voter *with* a password is no better than a fraudulent voter
*without* a password. The primary problem remains, as Diane pointed
out, authenticating the voters in the first place.
--
Kent Crispin
At 03:01 PM 7/17/99 -0700, you wrote:
On Sat, Jul 17, 1999 at 04:32:37PM -0400, Gene Marsh wrote:
There are clearly other, higher, priorities. The White Paper, the
Green Paper, the MoU with NTIA all quite clearly state that the
stability of the Internet is the highest priority of all, etc.
At 03:01 PM 7/17/99 -0700, you wrote:
On Sat, Jul 17, 1999 at 04:32:37PM -0400, Gene Marsh wrote:
There are clearly other, higher, priorities. The White Paper, the
Green Paper, the MoU with NTIA all quite clearly state that the
stability of the Internet is the highest priority of all, etc.
Saturday, July 17, 1999, 10:38:42 AM, Kent Crispin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, Jul 17, 1999 at 08:14:55PM +1200, Joop Teernstra wrote:
Roberto and all,
The IDNO constituency will prove to you and to ICANN that Tony is right.
Voting is now underway for a 21 member steering committee
Saturday, July 17, 1999, 4:28:55 PM, Dave Crocker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As Kent noted, there are some operational aspects to IDNO which should
cause any reasonable evaluator to question its legitimacy as a
representative body for the constituency it claims.
Please, point them out. I
The IDNO constituency will prove to you and to ICANN that Tony is right.
Voting is now underway for a 21 member steering committee for the IDNO.
OTOH, you railroaded David Crocker, Kevin Connolly, and I out of the
group, and there is a clear systematic anti-ICANN bias in the IDNO.
On 17 July 1999, Dave Crocker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 01:33 PM 7/17/99 , Mark C. Langston wrote:
Would this be your day job with a company that was rife with Chinese
spies?
I wouldn't exactly trot that out as support for your abilities, Kent.
Nor, Mark, should you lay claim to any
On Sat, Jul 17, 1999 at 04:18:34PM -0700, Roeland M.J. Meyer wrote:
[...]
Kent has always believed that a voting system was against his interests
and works to discredit them at every turn and opportunity. There is no
way you can convince him not to, because it really IS against his best
Saturday, July 17, 1999, 7:32:34 PM, Dave Crocker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I always manage to leave something off of lists like these, but here are
the ones that come to mind, some momnths later.
By the list owner:
1. Enforcement of participation rules, post hoc and without documentation
)
Extension:
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cc:(bcc: Joe Sims/JonesDay)
Subject: [IFWP] Why fail on purpose?
A system can be designed to accomplish a purpose or to fail. ICANN must
decide
At 06:03 AM 7/16/99 , you wrote:
Diane, and I hope you continue; it is helpful. One point I should make: a
very significant hurdle to any election process is the lack of money to run
it. It might well be a sensible strategy, especially at this stage of its
development, for ICANN to have some
Tony Rutkowski wrote:
It is plainly preposterous to suggest that you need
big bucks to hold an election. This isn't a presidential
election campaign or the United Nations. All the parties
that ever filed in the DOC proceedings, attended a meeting,
or even zinged off a one liner on an
Joe Sims wrote:
...One point I should make: a
very significant hurdle to any election process is the lack of money to run
it. It might well be a sensible strategy, especially at this stage of its
development, for ICANN to have some professional election help, but it has
no money to pay
Patrick Greenwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If ICANN were a community-based organization as was envisioned, instead of
the monstrosity it has become, it would be reasonable to ask the community
for assistance in gather resources to hold elections.
But when the community does cough up money
On Fri, 16 Jul 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
When you consider that one of the primary purposes
of this *interim* board was to establish an electorate,
and hold formal elections to elect the first official
*initial* board, your comments simply don't add up.
The Commerce Department
At 06:03 AM 7/16/99 -0400, Joe Sims wrote:
significant funds soon are not good. There is a serious catch-22 here
that for some ICANN critics is probably not coincidental: complain about
the lack of an elected Board, and simultaneously make it impossible to
generate the funds to elect a truly
At 09:38 AM 7/16/99 -0400, Jay Fenello wrote:
-- The law firm of Jones Day, your employer,
has billed ICANN for $585,000, substantially more
than required to simply incorporating a non-profit
entity, and/or to hold elections.
ORSC spent $175 to incorporate, including bylaws that if ICANN
At 12:40 PM 7/16/99 -0700, you wrote:
Patrick Greenwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If ICANN were a community-based organization as was envisioned, instead of
the monstrosity it has become, it would be reasonable to ask the community
for assistance in gather resources to hold elections.
But
Jay Fenello wrote:
From where I sit, your refusal to hold elections
has nothing to do with funding, and everything
to do with priorities!
There is no refusal to hold elections, Jay. Mr. Sims was responding to Eric
Weisberg's suggestion that ICANN hire outside professionals to run the
On Fri, 16 Jul 1999, Diane Cabell wrote:
analysis by the MAC raised many difficult issues. Perhaps an online election
may be beyond the budget. If anyone knows a crack programmer who will code for
water and gruel, please volunteer now!
Diane,
As I stated previously if ICANN were truly
Eric Weisberg wrote:
The cost quoted by the American Arbitration Association for mailed ballot
elections was not very high, especially if the membership is within the range
most of us project. Diane spoke of an electronic ballot, which obviously
involves less expense. The administrative
Diane and all,
The available secure voting applications are available now and are in use,
So I don't see any need to re-invent the wheel here. The cost is
minimal to purchase one and customize for ICANN's use.
Again if ICANN needs some assistance is acquiring such web or
e-mail based
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cc:(bcc: Joe Sims/JonesDay)
Subject: [IFWP] Why fail on purpose?
A system can be designed to accomplish a purpose or to fail. ICANN must
decide
whether its purpose is to afford maximum diversity of representation or to
develop a
fool proof system for conducting meaningless
Diane,
At 06:11 PM 7/16/99 -0400, you wrote:
Jay Fenello wrote:
From where I sit, your refusal to hold elections
has nothing to do with funding, and everything
to do with priorities!
There is no refusal to hold elections, Jay.
Then where are the elections? All I hear is plenty of
A system can be designed to accomplish a purpose or to fail. ICANN
must decide whether its purpose is to afford maximum diversity of representation
or to develop a fool proof system for conducting meaningless elections
(in the sense of its expressed representational aspiration).
Diane Cabell
Eric Weisberg wrote:
A system can be designed to accomplish a purpose or to fail. ICANN
must decide whether its purpose is to afford maximum diversity of
representation or to develop a fool proof system for conducting
meaningless elections (in the sense of its expressed representational
Diane Cabell wrote:
Eric Weisberg wrote:
> A system can be designed to accomplish a purpose or to fail.
ICANN
> must decide whether its purpose is to afford maximum diversity of
> representation or to develop a fool proof system for conducting
> meaningless elections (in the sense of its
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