On Tuesday, December 2, 2003, at 07:32 PM, Michael Thames wrote:
After this experience, You can bet I will do everything in my
power to
access these works of Bach, and free them to the world. God forbid
you
come across any Weiss, then I'll really get mad!
I'm curious? Do you support
No it isn't a crime. And legalities have nothing to do with what Albert is
talking about. Fairness is the issue. He invested a great deal of time and
money in creating this book, and you publicly declare that you intend to
rip him off. That was not a crime, but a stupid thing to do. Take example
On Tuesday 02 December 2003 14:19, Daniel Shoskes wrote:
Dear Daniel,
some answers because I saw nobody replied to you.
Things I have wondered about (and never thought to post as individual
questions):
1) What are the early signs that lute strings and frets need to be
replaced? (short of the
Good Lord, what am I to say.
(And for the politically correct, I do not use the phrase Good Lord for any
establishment of religion, merely as a gentle expletive).
I do hope the lack of civility in this discussion thread isn't
characteristic of the Lute List. I have gotten so much help here in my
Guy,
Notwithstanding your choice of venue, breaking the rules is what one does
when one has learned to play by them. There were no fencers in the days of
sword duels, at least not when their lives were on the line. Look at the old
manuals of combat, the skills attained at fencing are important,
Dear Luteneers,
I'm at astage where my fretgut on my 14 course swan neck are so frayed that buzzing is
serious. I survived two years on my old supply but forgot what size I need. I have
two requests. The first is short term. What diameter fretgut should I order? I
recall 0.9, 0.8, 0.7
It occurred to me that Hans Judenkunig might have been a converted Jew (my
somewhat elderly 'Grove' has nothing to say about his origins). Certainly
converted Jews were frequently given names that made their origins clear to one and
all. When the Jews were finally allowed out of the ghettos in
But again: place YOURS and not MINE.
That is grossly untrue: It is Bach's and Weyrauch's (i.e. belonging to the
World), and you [Albert Reyermann] merely BORROWED it. And your noble
purpose has no bearing on this matter.
RT
Now, now, it is Mr. Reyermanns FACSIMILE EDITION that he speaks
Just as an aside, where does Diego Cantalupi's pdf of Kapsberger III fit in?
Unlike Stewart, I wouldn't want a lot of facsimiles, as the ones I have or
have had I find difficult to read (I think this comes out in the practical
reproduction difficulties both with Welde and with Tree editions), not
Are there any good folias for the Baroque lute?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hello Albert,
Thanks, that was very clear. I agree with you.
Allan Alexander
Back in the old country there is a saying: Crows never peck each other's
eyes.
RT
Dear Michael,
I'm at astage where my fretgut on my 14 course swan neck are so frayed that
buzzing is serious.
...
Buzzing problem is caused by height of string from finger board and
gauge of fretgut. It is difficult to solve the problem generally.
But why don't you try thin fretgut (e.g.
From: Stewart McCoy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dear Roman,
I have every sympathy with what you say. Those of us who own good
instruments and expensive music are most fortunate, whether it came
by luck, by hard work, or because we happen to live in affluent
societies. Of course, I would love to own
Matanya Ophee wrote:
At 09:20 PM 12/2/2003 -0600, Michael Thames [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
St. Michael the Liberator! I notice you don't give your guitars away.
Don't you think the world should be given free access to such fine
instruments? ;-)
DR
This is not an analogy, he MAKES
Dear Tony,
If you wanted, you could probably track down an address for Broude
Bros via the Internet.
I'm afraid I don't know what the legal situation is in America. We
usually rely on Howard Posner's expertise when it comes to legal
matters. If I remember right, his last e-mail on this subject
I think the same was true of the Quarto editions of Shakespeare.
Where do Broude Performers' facsimiles fit in to this? I have their
Lachrimae table book (price in ink on the inside cover). Neither the
publisher's name nor a copyright mark appear anywhere in the book. I do not
have any
At 10:25 PM 12/3/03 +0900, Ed Durbrow wrote:
Are there any good folias for the Baroque lute?
Check out http://members.chello.nl/folia/. It's a pretty good catalog of
a great many Folias, for d-minor lute and otherwise. I know Gallot wrote a
set of variations for lute, but the baroque Folia
PLEASE, LET'S SPEAK ABOUT THOSE TOPICS WE KNOW WELL !
Actually I do know a few things about this, having published a book written
by my father, and having worked in the industry.
It is a real shame that Albert Reyerman had to explain with full details
how much work it means publishing (=
Hello Albert,
Thanks, that was very clear. I agree with you.
Allan Alexander
Back in the old country there is a saying: Crows never peck each
other's eyes.
RT
Are you suggesting that I am a publisher of facsimiles? I have no
interest in this business. I think that if Albert publishes the
Michael
thank you indeed for that email.
I for my part have closed the book on this matter.
Best regards
Albert
Albert Reyerman
TREE EDITION
Michael Thames wrote:
Dear Mr.Reyrman,
Thank you for the kind reply. You will no doubt be forwarded a =
letter in which I addressed the lute
On Tue, 2 Dec 2003, Stewart McCoy wrote:
Our medium of computers may be new, but the matter under discussion
most certainly is not.
There were various pirate editions of music in the 16th century,
Would, say, Dowland have been surprised at 21st century culture,
where 99%
of music is
Thanks to those who make lute compositions legitimately free downloads (I
would be also willing to pay) and thanks to Ophee and Reyerman and others
( I
have been and continue to be willing to pay for their facsimiles without
whining).
Hey Dan, nowhere did I or anyone else whine about buying
Here are the Broude Bros contacts:
Broude Brothers
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Broude Brothers Limited
141 White Oaks Road
Williamstown, MA 01267
Dr. Ronald Broude, Dr. Gwen Broude
Phone: (413) 458-8131
(800) 225 3197
Fax: (413) 458-5242
GJC
Date sent: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 14:24:38 -
To:
At 09:18 AM 12/3/2003 -0500, Doctor Oakroot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That is a book, and it was made from scratch by
one
person who invested a great deal of time and money in creating it.
What a load of crap! Making a book is a manufacturing operation and, per
se, does not involve any
At 12:32 AM 12/3/2003 -0600, Michael Thames [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
where did I publicly declare that I
intend to
rip him off Those are you words.
They are indeed. Considering your proposal, a rip-off operation is actually
a mild and forgiving expletive.
At no time did I say I would post
At 05:56 03-12-2003 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It occurred to me that Hans Judenkunig might have been a converted Jew (my
somewhat elderly 'Grove' has nothing to say about his origins). Certainly
converted Jews were frequently given names that made their origins clear
to one and
all. When
Incidentally, if Michael does not seem to understand the degree of
mendacity involved in his stance on this issue, perhaps he ought to look at
his own web page where he sells, for good money, plans of historical
instruments
I Agree, Monkey, they cost me $20.00 to Xerox, buy a tube and ship
At 10:43 AM 12/3/2003 -0500, Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No, but you are believed to be a publisher of commercial ARRANGEMENTS. I do
not wish to open a second can of worms, but earlier I have expressed an
opinion that an arrangement, although it is not a facsimile, should carry
only a
Thanks, but it wasn't really point - as I said, I don't intend distributing
what I've got, with or without permission. It just struck me as odd that
the edition was so completely anonymous, and I wondered why.
Tony
- Original Message -
From: Dr. Gordon J. Callon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To:
At 10:53 AM 12/3/2003 -0600, Michael Thames [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I Agree, Monkey, they cost me $20.00 to Xerox, buy a tube and ship
worldwide, not mention the cost of travel, expertise involved, in drawing
them up. But the shocking part Mr. Monkey is there's NO COPYRIGHT
written
Modern music is highly commercial. A typical modern person might go a
year, hearing music only from professional musicians.
Music is encoded onto plastic, shrink-wrapped, and professionally mass-
marketed. Its market value is protected by litigation. Concert tickets
are sold by anonymous
No, but you are believed to be a publisher of commercial ARRANGEMENTS.
Not exactly.
I self publish a few things for the lute that I WROTE and some that I
arranged, melodies that I harmonized and added variations to. There
is little market for such material from lutenists. Not the same as
On Wed, 3 Dec 2003, Matanya Ophee wrote:
... always had to accept a condition imposed by the library that the
material will be used specifically for the purpose for which it was
obtained,
What is the library's motivation for this? I would have thought that a
non-profit library would be happy
I wrote you about an hour before I received your first letter, =
mistakenly assuming this was your response to my letter, all the time =
unaware that someone sent you my first letter from the lute mailing =
list.
Uncle Albert IS ON the lute-list. There is no benefit of a doubt called for.
RT
I think they would be astounded that a performance of John Dowland's lute solos
could be had for say $15 USD. Especially when Dowland played for royalty and
the upper classes (ie: made some money doing it). It's funny, but a
photographer or painter can now (and in the past) charge hundreds or
Dear Stewart, Roman, and all,
Poor countries and access to resources: It is a difficult matter indeed.
What to do about it? I'm in the other end of the spectrum, the one
benefited from the free online resources or the donations. And the one
doing most illegal actions.
I'll tell you what happens
That's very noble of you. Let me suggest that if indeed you are true to
your ideals, you post them for free on _your_ web site. You don't know how
to fit them on standard printer paper? I'll be happy to help you there
That is a most generous offer! I will take you up on that. Just the
I wrote you about an hour before I received your first letter, =
mistakenly assuming this was your response to my letter, all the time =
unaware that someone sent you my first letter from the lute mailing =
list.
Uncle Albert IS ON the lute-list. There is no benefit of a doubt called for.
RT
It occurred to me that Hans Judenkunig might have been a converted Jew (my
somewhat elderly 'Grove' has nothing to say about his origins).
Hans Bahlow, Deutsches Namenlexikon, 1992 (15,000 entries), p. 265, explains that Jud
may
have been Jewish or non-Jewish. As for non-Jewish, Jud as well
I Agree, Monkey, they cost me $20.00 to Xerox,
Michael, MO is neither hominid nor a simian. He is not a marsupial either
[unlike Michael Stitt]. Considering that his cultural sensitivity is that of
a rhinocerotide he is suspected to be of that genus.
I personally believe that from biochemical
I have a good friend who runs a major library nearby and hear these same
concerns all of the time. My concern is where the need to make lute music
available and this funding crisis intersect. Some of the prices I've been
quoted to obtain a license from these libraries is really outrageous. To the
At 01:00 PM 12/3/2003 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have a good friend who runs a major library nearby and hear these same
concerns all of the time. My concern is where the need to make lute music
available and this funding crisis intersect. Some of the prices I've been
quoted to obtain a
Dear Tony,
It is the falce and unperfect aspect of modern editions, which
make me want to look at facsimiles. I want to get as close as
possible to the original text to learn as much as I can about the
music. It's an academic thing, I suppose.
During the recent thread some people have complained
What a load of crap! Making a book is a manufacturing operation and, per
se, does not involve any creativity.
So is making a lute.
Well Monkey, you certainly put your tail in your mouth this time, I
wonder how many people would agree with.that! Stick to what you know best,
how to revel
Mathias writes: 'As opposed to that, converted Jews in those days would
rather have avoided hints of their provenance'. Of course I know what you mean, but
Jews who converted (or were forced to convert) were often not given the
chance to hide their origins, as I know from many Jewish friends,
The real challenge for publishers like MO is to be creative in the
cover art, editing, and info. quality of paper etc.It's amazing how this
Monkey can elevate the physical book itself, above the content.
Not in MO's hands. He made the most execrable cover for MoscowWeissMs.
RT
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time this year!) with Thomas Schall who is
Arne Keller wrote:
Hans Dagobert Bruger, in his Schule des Lautenspiels, Wolfenbuettel 1926,
explains the name Judenkunig in this way:
Der auffallende Name Judenkunig oder Judenkuenig (d.i. Juden-Koenig)
erklaert sich daraus, dass ein Ahnherr dieses Namens ihn als Beinamen wegen
seiner
never owned a set of facsimiles of the Bach-Weyrauch myself. All I have are
those included in the Koonce edition.
OK then those will do just fine.
Michael Thames
Luthier
www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
Site design by Natalina Calia-Thames
- Original Message -
From: Matanya Ophee
[EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
as I know from many Jewish friends, whose names were
given them (on payment of the appropriate amount of money) after the
emancipation from the ghettos.
Hmm. Just how old are you?
On Wednesday, Dec 3, 2003, at 23:04 Europe/Warsaw, Matanya Ophee wrote:
But should new material come to light,
there is no chance it will enter into general circulation any time
soon.
Viz. the availability to the Francesco Castelfranco new discoveries.
And
this is only one of the more
Poor countries and access to resources: It is a difficult matter indeed.
What to do about it? I'm in the other end of the spectrum, the one
benefited from the free online resources or the donations. And the one
doing most illegal actions.
I'll tell you what happens down here (Argentina): we
At 05:12 PM 12/3/2003 -0600, Michael Thames [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
never owned a set of facsimiles of the Bach-Weyrauch myself. All I have are
those included in the Koonce edition.
OK then those will do just fine.
You don't need me for that. You can buy this book from all the usual
At 05:12 PM 12/3/2003 -0600, Michael Thames [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
never owned a set of facsimiles of the Bach-Weyrauch myself. All I have are
those included in the Koonce edition.
OK then those will do just fine.
You don't need me for that. You can buy this book from all the usual
At 07:53 PM 12/3/2003 -0600, Michael Thames [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 05:12 PM 12/3/2003 -0600, Michael Thames [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
never owned a set of facsimiles of the Bach-Weyrauch myself. All I have are
those included in the Koonce edition.
OK then those will do just fine.
Somehow I don't believe that the musicians are to blame for this. It
seemed that A LOT of music down there was being put out by Warner
Brothers South American division. So I'm sure they contributed to the
demise of local houses.
I'm not blaming composers for publishing abroad. They publish
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again, cleaned up]:
Earlier this week I spent three days for work in Germany. My brand new lute
and I had some enjoyable meetings with some fellow lute player colleagues=20
from
this lute forum First, on
Better watch it fellow, your scatological delusions are getting ahead of
you. You cannot possibly expect me to commit what I consider a crime, by
photocopying a page from a book published by a friend of mine
never owned a set of facsimiles of the Bach-Weyrauch myself. All I have are
those
To all,
Am I the only one who finds the name calling, and tone of some of these
e-mail exchanges offensive? It's great to be passionate and have strong feelings
about a subject, but how about a modicum of civility? I know, if you don't
like it, don't read it; but the subject matter is
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