Thanks CQ.
I wish I had the time or the luxury of retirement so as to be available to
projects like assembling accessible online resources as well as things
available without extra cost on GNU/Linux and Macintosh. A nice mysql database
with an adequate search functionality is all that it
Hi, You wrote:
There is no right or wrong answer here Erik, merely objective points of
view. As I've always said, it boils down to what works for you because at the
end of the day, you have to pay for the gear and you pay for what will serve
your needs best.
That was my point exactly.
to drnk before heading out.
Cody
- Original Message -
From: Tyler Littlefield ty...@tysdomain.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 1:04 PM
Subject: Re: We better keep this going!
Sure, but just because it talks out of the box doesn't mean much
Hi,
Because I was an English major in graduate school, I can't help myself: You
wrote, sometimes, There is no right or wrong answer here Erik, merely
objective points of view... This is subjective rather than objective
points of view. An objective measurement of a computing device might be
Ah your correct and my error. THanks for pointing my mistake out, it will help
me remember and improve. :)
On Dec 27, 2009, at 10:11 AM, Chris Hofstader wrote:
Hi,
Because I was an English major in graduate school, I can't help myself: You
wrote, sometimes, There is no right or wrong
Thanks for the reference, I will go check it out.
On Dec 27, 2009, at 1:34 PM, Chris Hofstader wrote:
If you really want to learn almost all of the important aspects of writing in
the English language, the reference I use with frequency is Elements of
Style, by Strunk and White. There is a
Chris, thanks for this! Now if we could just get people to use their
spell-checkers! lol!
Seriously though, info on resources such as the one on which you've posted, and
the many conveniences built into the Mac OS for the alleviation of illiteracy,
are truly welcomed here!…
Smiles,
CQ :)
] On Behalf Of John André Netland
Sent: Wednesday, 23 December 2009 10:43 a.m.
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: We better keep this going!
Hi,
Well, I think you forget one important point in this discussion; The Mac and
the iPhone/iPod Touch not only speaks out of the box in the Apple Store
:00 a.m.
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: We better keep this going!
I say quit the bitchin and buy a damn iPhone :p. best damn phone on the
market and also for the price. can't think of anything the iPhone can't do
that any other phone can do and more. now time to put some pants
Hi SImon,
I'm only receiving one copy as best I can determine. I wonder if there is some
issue with Google Groups.
On Dec 24, 2009, at 3:33 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
John,
1 message is enough to put your message across. I've had at least 4 of
these.
Please check your settings in your
@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jess
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 12:46 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: We better keep this going!
Hi folks,
Well, I'm getting the IPhone 3 GS today. But more than that, folks, we need
to keep the trend of switching
Littlefield
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 12:58 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: We better keep this going!
The iphone seems nice enough, but lets not go on a converting rampage. I'm
personally getting something else, because I don't like the iphone, even if
we had service
Subject: Re: We better keep this going!
ALthough I agree there needs to be no mission in converting folks,, I do
believe it makes sense to let any and all know. Whether you like the iPhone
or not is in my mind irrelevant. What is relevant is the fact that finally
now a blind or visually impaired
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John André Netland
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 4:43 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: We better keep this going!
Hi,
Well, I think you forget one important point in this discussion; The Mac and
the iPhone/iPod Touch not only
Tyler, please, your reading to much into my message, so I'm not going to
further waste either of our time entertaining this piffle further.
Despite the back and forth, I think we do agree on some points, but somewhere
this has gotten off track and the issue has become quite muddy.
Again, have a
Cara, my only comment is thank you for stating what I was trying to say, but
apparently not very clearly.
So, you have a wonderful Holiday as well and no further from me on this topic.
On Dec 22, 2009, at 10:05 PM, Cara Quinn wrote:
Okay, guys, enough!
Personally, as I read it, the
Recently I went to a bible study at the home of a lady I didn't know very
well. She had just gotten a Mac three days before and was having difficulty
understanding how to access the applications she wanted to use. She took me to
see her Mac and I turned on voiceover and showed her how to
shower and get something cold to drnk before heading out.
Cody
- Original Message -
From: Tyler Littlefield ty...@tysdomain.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 1:04 PM
Subject: Re: We better keep this going!
Sure, but just because it talks out
Hi Friend,
You seem like a good candidate for window-eyes mobile helper. This is a tool
that automates the video intersept install and allows you to cary a working
instalation of window-eyes, replete with settings on a usb flash drive.
Best,
erik burggraaf
A+ certified technician and user
Hi, You wrote:
I believe that in order to be productive, we need to be able to use *any*
computer, whether it be windows or mac, and even a linux system, though a
portable linux reader doesn't currently exist to my knowledge.
Well actually , ubuntoo and it's flavours talk out of the box, so if
On Dec 23, 2009, at 9:01 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:
Do we have braille support on the IPhone then?
How about a daisy book reader?
Is there a good OCR package yet?
What are people using for gps on it these days?
Why do we need a Daisy reader on the iPhone. If you want that, buy a
A good example of why universal design is so important. Apple gets it
but for various reasons (marketing, technical, historical) Windows is
not on board yet. Hopefully someday it will get resolved. The downside
of universal design is also what you cited. What if MS decided to
license and
Matt,
I disagree and believe the iPhone would make an excellent platform for a DAISY
reader for example. There is such an app, but what I read, it is much to new
and limited to be the best possible solution. THe point is why buy a Victor
Stream if you don't have too. Leveraging technology
You're kidding me right? $500-$600 on an Iphone and then $350 for a stream?
Get out'a here.
Why would I want braille on my phone? Well because for one thing, I have it
and use it, and don't want to retire my $6000 braille display just to own an
iphone and look cool. It's faster for some
@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 1:04 PM
Subject: Re: We better keep this going!
Sure, but just because it talks out of the box doesn't mean much. Don't get
me wrong, I love my VO, but there still are things that it needs help with.
On Dec 22, 2009, at 11:51 AM, Scott Howell wrote
I'm assuming you $500-$600 price you cite is including the full service
telco plan since the devices themselves are $199-$299 depending on the
model you get. In that case it's a bit disingenuous since a stream
doesn't do phone stuff.
Can you define triple battery life? Triple of what amount?
One reason for wanting braille is if the person is both blind and deaf.
On Dec 23, 2009, at 10:26 AM, Matt Roberts wrote:
On Dec 23, 2009, at 9:01 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:
Do we have braille support on the IPhone then?
How about a daisy book reader?
Is there a good OCR package yet?
write on brother I am dea-blind and I mis my pm 20 braille desplay thatis back
home on my imac all of the best and may all have a grate 2010 maurice ham call
kd0iko.
On Dec 23, 2009, at 11:29 AM, Ryan Mann wrote:
One reason for wanting braille is if the person is both blind and deaf.
On
Okay All, as some have said here, this is really getting OT. As well, many
here are missing the point.
I believe that many here are so entrenched in the status quo of
disability-specific 'after thought' style solutions that the gist of the
original post is being completely missed.
Hi folks,
Well, I'm getting the IPhone 3 GS today. But more than that, folks, we need to
keep the trend of switching to the Mac and IPhone going. The more people we
have switching, the more inclined Apple will be to continue support and
development for Voice OVer.
For the first time, I can
Hi,
I agree. I got my iPhone two days ago as an early christmas gift, and as I'm
going to England tomorrow, I wanted to make sure everything was fine. But I was
amazed. I inserted the sim-card, plugged it into the USB, activated,
registered, and set it all up including universal access. I was
The iphone seems nice enough, but lets not go on a converting rampage. I'm
personally getting something else, because I don't like the iphone, even if we
had service for it where I'm at.
On Dec 22, 2009, at 10:46 AM, Jess wrote:
Hi folks,
Well, I'm getting the IPhone 3 GS today. But more
ALthough I agree there needs to be no mission in converting folks,, I do
believe it makes sense to let any and all know. Whether you like the iPhone or
not is in my mind irrelevant. What is relevant is the fact that finally now a
blind or visually impaired person can now go into a store and
Sure, but just because it talks out of the box doesn't mean much. Don't get me
wrong, I love my VO, but there still are things that it needs help with.
On Dec 22, 2009, at 11:51 AM, Scott Howell wrote:
ALthough I agree there needs to be no mission in converting folks,, I do
believe it makes
I am encouraged to know that our Mac user population in the BVI
community is steadily growing, and the sighted colleagues I've talked
to here in Alaska are excited and the first thing I hear from them is,
I have a parent or friend who is blind and this would be great for
him and her and
Dear Mac Friends,
I 100% agree with Jess on this post. I love being able to walk into a store
and play with Macs Iphones and Ipod Touches. Everyone who has an Apple
Macintosh I tell them about Voiceover.
I am planning on like many of you getting another Mac in the future. With me
planning
Yes jess your deffinitley right. It's amazing what apple has dun. It's
deffinitley sweet to be able to walk into a apple store and use a computer or
phone right on the show room flor with out having to install something to have
actsess on it. I hope apple will keep up it's excessibility for
Tyler,
I do not understand your comment below. What does it talking out of the box
have to do with whether you need help. I do not understand the connection.
Can you elaborate?
On Dec 22, 2009, at 2:04 PM, Tyler Littlefield wrote:
Sure, but just because it talks out of the box doesn't
I believe you should re-read my message. I said VO still needs help, not I
still need help.
While a computer that talks off-the-shelf is great, that's no reason to tell
someone they need to buy the mac. While I like the mac, the cost really doesn't
balance out having a computer that talks in
Hi,
Well, I think you forget one important point in this discussion; The Mac and
the iPhone/iPod Touch not only speaks out of the box in the Apple Store, it
also talks without any additional software on any Mac and any iPHone/iPod Touch
your friends, your family, your internet cafés, your
Yes verry good points. You wouldn't have jaws on every computer. Say you go to
work and have to use a computer. Well with a PC and jaws you would hav to get
jaws and put it on that computer wich is changing a computer that possibley you
would mabey not be using all the time. With a mac all you
Message -
From: Tyler Littlefield ty...@tysdomain.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 1:04 PM
Subject: Re: We better keep this going!
Sure, but just because it talks out of the box doesn't mean much. Don't get
me wrong, I love my VO, but there still
Mike that is true and I can't tell you the number of times I've had to install
Window-Eyes just to help someone with a PC problem. THen of course you have to
tweak things to make sure the screen reader works properly, so loads of time
wasted. :)
On Dec 22, 2009, at 5:07 PM, Michael Huckabay
One other nice thing with VO is it draws a box on the screen to show
where focus is which helps a lot when collaborating with folks who can
see the screen. Jaws doesn't do this so when working together it can be
hard to tell where the Jaws user is on a page. No such problem with VO
and you
Again, vo is great. Everyone is making reasons why it is good, which wasn't the
point in what I said. All I'm saying is the fact that the mac would work from
the store I bought it on doesn't mean much as I didn't even buy it from a
store. Yes, it is great. I love the built-in screen reader
you're right, and had you been discussing any screen reader/prosthetic
substitute for site, you'd still be right:) As users regardless of our
preferences, we should help the developers keep adding useful features removing
dumb ones and cleaning up interfaces that are no longer applicable.
On
Well whatever, because now your message isn't making a lot of sense. At this
rate your defending yourself way to hard, so lets just move along to a new
topic. We all know VO is great or we wouldn't be using it. I don't care about
JAWS WE, NDA, or whatever other flavor of WIndows screen reader
defending? YOur flippent I'm better than you so go away attitude really doesn't
say much for your position.
On Dec 22, 2009, at 5:49 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
Well whatever, because now your message isn't making a lot of sense. At this
rate your defending yourself way to hard, so lets just move
Okay, guys, enough!
Personally, as I read it, the original point was not necessarily to convert
anyone to Apple. It was to establish that access out-of-the-box is a very
desirable thing.
I support this view whole-heartedly as do most (if not all) of us here.
For some who may have
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