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I have always thought that the manipulating, duplicitous character of Venus
was Vergil's indirect way of villifying the Julio-Claudians: Venus who is
the ancestress of the Julian clan will
Literature_ by Fiona Cox. USD 49.50. Publisher: European Humanities
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(I've finally rooted out my copy of Wilson Knight's biography and thought
list members might enjoy a couple of excerpts. The speaker of the first
passage is T.J. Haarhoff, another
for one and the same person to have a real
love of _Gravity's Rainbow_ *and* the works of Virgil.
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Hello All,
I'm new to this list and working on a master's thesis on Virgil and Lord
Byron.
Does anyone out there know of any scholarly works that link the two poets,
, but the rest of the book has
kind of a grab bag of episodes feeling. Does anyone else feel this way?
If not, why not?
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In the States, at least, many classical names were imposed on
enslaved Africans (as with Caesar in Aphra Behn's Oroonoko). To great
extent, this helps explain the occasional
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Does someone know about a philosopher or grammarian
called « Virgilius Maro » who was living in the 7th
century? I would like to read something about this
author, his life, his
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P.S. Could you say more about Hugo's Virgil? (I'm afraid I get most of my
Hugo from the movies nowadays.)
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Hello,
Can you tell me what you think about Aeneis' emotions when he landed on the
shore in book I, and told his 'comrades' that they should get through the
ship wreck.
My
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Stephanie: The first word of the first line of the Aeneid has an example of
metonomy: Arma or weapons stands for the idea of war or warfare.
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(California), ed. Mandelbaum, Oldcorn,
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3. The Durling/Martinez Inferno (rev.
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Has anyone yet seen a review of Richard Jenkyns' new Virgil's
Experience? It seemed to me to be making such a play to become THE
Vergil book that I am very curious to find out how reviewers
A recent subscriber mentions that he's teaching an AP Vergil course for the
first time. Anyone have/know of tests, quizzes, or study questions that
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This is another thing I've been wondering: everyone who talks about
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Valeriano refers back to 16th-c. editions of their
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and I have come up against a problem to which so far I
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 13:42:28 -0400
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Hello all--
I'm new here, so pardon me if this has been discussed before - I was
wondering what the better translations are of the Aeneid, I own the Knight
and West prose versions already, are there any else? I came
the troiani will intermarry with the latini and their offspring (the romani) will speak Latin, not Phrygian (or whatever it is that Aeneas Co. speak).
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I'd be interested if you could expand on what you mean by a flawed
character who is not a political leader but belongs in the
ordinary world, like V's Aristaeus. I've found the political resonance of
Aristaeus very
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And in the same vein Tolkien's Lord of the Rings?
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Since both state-sponsored poetry and national epic are essentially dead
forms, a modern poet similar to Virgil would be difficult to find. In
American history, Robert Frost and Walt Whitman
just replay the optimists vs.
the pessimists?
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From: Judy Conway [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 20:40:31 -0400
I found the following journal articles interesting:
Venus, Diana, Dido and Camilla in the Aeneid, Michelle Pach Wilhelm,
VERGILIUS, Vol. 33
Anna and Juturna in the Aeneid, Victor Castellani, VERGILIUS, Vol.33
Vergil's
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bibliography on the women in the Aeneid: Creusa, Dido, and Lavinia. Any
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:54:42 -0500 (EST)
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Two comments below on the Thornton idea about Catullus 66 and Aeneid 6:
Simon Cauchi wrote:
It's nearly 40 years since Agathe H. F. Thornton wrote her article, A
Catullan Quotation in Virgil's Aeneid Book VI, AUMLA
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Hello, I'm rather interested to hear what people think about the
references to Augustus in the Aeneid, focussing on any insults, such as
Aeneas' treatment of Dido, his behaviour to Turnus and so on. Could you
send any ideas
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 09:04:11 + (GMT)
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I don' think this is classical: it's not in any of the texts on the POESIS
CDRom, which has a pretty good coverage of classical poetry. It sounds
right, though!
Don
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I have Fantham's commentary to Fasti 4 to hand. She does
two things to this line - the text has sicque..., in case
we hadn't noticed the speech starting, and her only comment
is that Livy 1.7.2 has
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See Christine Perkell's Georgics book, which has much on pity in Geo. and
some on Aeneid; also her article in TAPA a few years ago on Eclogue 1
James J. O'Hara Jim O'Hara
does advance elsewhere. -
I'll bite. Do you have any particular examples in mind?
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Sounds like another great instance of generic contamination in this period:
Spenser knows the classical text at first hand, but he still reads it
through the filter of medieval romance.
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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 09:34:02 -0500
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Dates for Dares and Dictys are
VERY uncertain.
Frazer's old book is only a translation,
not an edition.
Apart from the equally old *Oxford
Classical Dictionary* (still using the second
. Thank you for your time.
Have a look at http://virgil.org/links -- among other things you'll find a
study guide for bks. 1, 2, 4, 6, 8, and 12.
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At 09:48 PM 1/31/99 -0500, you wrote:
My
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Is anyone carrying out any serious work on the COPA, or indeed any of the
Appendix Vergiliana? (Recent entries in Annee Philologique and the cyber
classics
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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 15:02:02 -0500
Somehow I have the vague impression that this question has been asked
before on this list, but still: Does anybody know 'off the cuff' where the
expressions 'Silver Latin' and 'Silver Age' (as opposed to Virgil's and
From: Gary Lawless [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hello friends,
I'm new to the list, but this semester at Bates College in Maine I am
teaching a course called Walking Around the World, with both English and
Environmental Studies majors getting credit for the
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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 11:44:04 -0600
From: Wade Heaton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I am writing to ask if any members of this list-serve can identify for me
renaissance paintings or engravings after paintings which depict Virgil
reading the Aeneid to the court of Augustus Caesar. This seems to be a
theme
From: Ramon Sevilla [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit . Aeneid I, 203.
I marvel how Virgil in Aeneid I, 195 ss. recalls the hardships he and his
comrades have formerly endured. He doesnt mention anything successful or
prosperous.
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Dear Colleague,
We hope you will be interested in a new project which is being published on
the Internet under the wing of CERES (Cambridge English Renaissance
Electronic Service).
Under the title 'Aeneas and Isabella'
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hand, one might add to the list Badius gives here the names of
Mezentius and Camilla, whose deaths round out the conclusions of books 10
and 11, respectively.
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From: Adrian Pay [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 23:19:40 -
Has anyone been struck by Horace 1.24 (quis desiderio sit pudor...). Who
is Quintilius and why nulli flebilior quam tibi, Vergili (Quintilius
turns up in the Ars Poetica and a fragment of Philodemus)
Lines 13-16 seems to
in Virgil's poetry, but I don't recall anything about the
Fibonacci sequence. Otfried?
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From: Judy Conway [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 09:14:22 -0500
Camilla is an interesting figure in the Aeneid. An interesting article by
Trudy Harrington Becker, Ambiguity and the Female Warrior: Virgil's
Camilla, Electronic Antiquity Vol.4, Issue 1, 1997, is extremely
interesting and
know the source of this
remark?
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Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 10:54:16 +0100 (BST)
From: Don Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 21 Oct 1998, Robert Dyer wrote (inter much very interesting alia):
I suspect that
the Roman nobility seldom read texts for themselves, but listened to
their slaves.
There is massive evidence from all
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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 20:37:14 -0400
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Eco's _The Name of the Rose_?
John Dwyer
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was seldom if ever a matter of book-burning campaigns; simple neglect of
texts that held little relevance to medieval Christendom was the main
factor. Just to underscore
behalf? (Simon?)
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210-12.
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of the temple to Mars Vltor that Augustus
erected there? Do we know what people made of it, or are we (as with
Virgil's poem) reduced again to speculation?
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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 17:05:11 -0400
From: Alfonso Georeno [EMAIL PROTECTED]
At 11:28 AM 9/14/98 -0600, you wrote:
An interesting site that has links to lit and language resources (as well
as some other bizarre stuff) is:
http://www.partyharvey.com
Shannon Merlino [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/07
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subscribers that there are NO COMMERCIALS on Mantovano, for Captain Billy's
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: Bristol Classical
Press, 1984.
Virgilio nell'arte e nella cultura europea. Rome: Biblioteca Nazionale
Centrale, 1981. [An exhibition catalogue.]
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poor) and the bibliography is the best I've seen on the
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:31:24 +0200
From: Jorge Fernandez Lopez [EMAIL PROTECTED]
At 10:39 PM 7/14/98 +, Yvan Nadeau wrote:
The problem about email is that it induces action rather than
reflection. I think I shall give it up.
I'm not sure it's any worse than conversation in that regard,
of ancient literary criticism than we are.
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is not really extending Trojan imperium, he is
migrating.)
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and several pieces on Virgil in
Iberia and Eastern Europe.
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. And of course he's always
mentioned in works on the medieval Virgil, but I'm curious to know how well
he actually circulated in the period.
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we have some idea of which witnesses to look for in the apparatus.
But if not, what then? Are we back to citing modern eds. like the Loeb or
OCT?
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Virgil.org search engine, in that it gives you a whole
stanza for context, instead of just a single line...
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For your particular question, there is a good, succinct discussion in
Ryan, Christopher J., Virgil's Wisdom in the Divine Comedy.
Medievalia et Humanistica n.s. 11 (1982): 1-38.
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there.
Does anyone know where Frye talked about the ending of the poem?
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