Calling for the formation
of a broad class party detached from actual motion within society and the
voting section of the working class is like the sectarian calling for the
dictatorship of the proletariat in a union meeting discussing health care.:
COMMENT:
A Bolshevik Party is a
Excellent! And Thank You for your inspiring thoughts sounds like the USA.
f580
--- On Wed, 1/26/11, editor_rev...@indiatimes.com
editor_rev...@indiatimes.com wrote:
From: editor_rev...@indiatimes.com editor_rev...@indiatimes.com
Subject: [MLL] Thank you for ...
To:
Here is a people's democracy forged through armed struggle. The revolution is
continuous, as the capitalist class still maintains a determinant role in the
economy. People's councils are forming and socialism is the talk of the
town NO ROBOTS, though; and no 'new class' to replace the
In this lengthly article, the revolution proceeds by way of people's
councils. A People's Democratic type revolution is underway. Capitalism is
still the major relations, and Venezuela endures a lower organic composition
in productive technology, i.e. No robotic technology creating a new
There is much more to creating a “party of insurrection” than adopting
formal rules and the Leninists trappings, like saying we are guided by
democratic centralism. It was impossible to create, much less sustain a party
of
a new type in the absence of revolutionary CRISIS. The 1970’s,
I guess that at every epoch there arises notorious revisionists who have
surrendered to their disdain of that most complex and extraordinary class; a
class either loathed or obsessed by society; independent of many influences;
able to steer itself, much like their anti-thesis, the
I must express these thoughts. I accept that the CPUSA encountered repression
by the state throughout its existence by way of the Palmer raids during the
20's and 30's, including the Sedition Act; then came the Smith Act and
McCarthyism during the 40's, and then the trials and then
NIKOGDA:
If the party had bolshevised itself back in the 1920s in the manner
recommended by the Comintern throughout the 1920s and 1930s, this
distinction would have been strictly maintained. The toxic impact of
Browder's line and leadership style was that liberalism on this front
was not
Dear Comrades,
It's difficult finding articles on the call to Bolshevization on the Internet.
This excerpt I typed out of a book titled: The Communist International in
America, Documents 1925-1933; put together by the Bolshevik League of the U.S.
It speaks for itself.
f580
THESES ON
I thought WL would like it. It's right along his ally.
f580
--- On Sun, 1/23/11, waistli...@aol.com waistli...@aol.com wrote:
From: waistli...@aol.com waistli...@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MLL] Captialism's future: to each according to their stipend.
To:
The politics of modern day new class revisionism is that the bolshevik
revolution was not a working class revolution because the productive forces
didn't include many robots. It was a palace coup, as trots and
revisionists have revealed before. So List people, prepare for that surprised
in spite of the accentuation of class
contradictions
[The Communist International in America, documents, 1925-1933]
My point: If conditions were ripe or not ripe for revolution during the 20's
and 30's where the communist factors prepared?
f580
--- On Sun, 1/23/11, frankenstein580 frankied
COMRADE NIKOGDA,
What direction the U.S. working class takes at this moment is so
important to the future of the world revolutionary movement because
it possesses among its ranks the most advanced experience of modern
conditions of capitalist production. But it desperately needs
revolutionary
myths and reality
WL:
When the US economy shifted from small manufacturing plants comprised of
mainly skilled craft workers to gigantic factories employing tens of
thousands of workers, that quantitative shift from one boundary to another
threw
the material form of the union movement and
to their
ability no vagabonds allowed.
--- On Fri, 1/21/11, frankenstein580 frankied...@yahoo.com wrote:
From: frankenstein580 frankied...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [MLL] Reply . . . and quick note to comrade Mark Scott: Trade
Unions
To: For the reaffirmation of Marxism-Leninism
marxist
WL:
The industrial-trade union form must change or die.
COMMENT:
It's changing already.
--- On Fri, 1/21/11, waistli...@aol.com waistli...@aol.com wrote:
From: waistli...@aol.com waistli...@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MLL] Reply . . . and quick note to comrade Mark Scott: Trade
Unions rewrite
To:
The un-mentionable is a rabid revisionist, not only because he seems to enjoy
creating schisms among the class, thus, in the real world, contributing to the
old USA sectarianism which he seems so very much a part of, but because he has
contempt for the very revolutionary class which Marxism
A real Night in Tunisia, Latin style.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sfWM85qtao
The lyrics are Spanish, the women, too beautiful to resist. Enjoy world.
American salsa.
f580
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[from: Tunisian Intifada]
History has shown that security forces can silence people but can never
crush the simmering revolt that lies beneath the ashes. Or in the words
of the beloved Tunisian poet Abul-Qasim al-Shabi in his poem To the Tyrants of
the World:
Wait, don't let the spring, the
Many workers weren't raised in the middle class neighborhoods. many were
raised and manhandled in a nyc ghettos. We, the working class there, know,
first hand, what a welfare queen is, and king, for that matter. We didn't need
Reagan to tell us. We know that lumpens exist too. They
--- On Mon, 1/17/11, Michael Pollock michael_poll...@yahoo.com wrote:
From: Michael Pollock michael_poll...@yahoo.com
Subject: [MLL] USFSP
To: stalin...@yahoogroups.com, marxist-leninist-list@lists.econ.utah.edu
Date: Monday, January 17, 2011, 4:27 PM
Does everyone on the List, especially
Solidarity resistance: Only answer to attack on public workers’ unions
By
Edward Yudelovich
New York
Published Jan 15, 2011 10:38 AM
On Jan. 7 New York Mayor Mike Bloomberg handed the Municipal Labor Committee,
which includes all public sector workers and is headed by
- Forwarded Message
From: emergencyla...@aol.com emergencyla...@aol.com
To: emergencyla...@aol.com
Sent: Fri, January 14, 2011 9:52:15 PM
Subject: UPDATE ON PLANS FOR EMERGENCY LABOR MEETING IN CLEVELAND MARCH 4-5
Dear Sisters and Brothers: The announcement of the Emergency Labor
here is another attempt at getting those consultants union busting files to
interested List members.
f580
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It is not only labor hacks and the revisionists who would like to render the
working class insignificant, the capitalist class would like to also. To
spread doo-doo, that our class be disgraced, is one way of doing it, in that
we may be portrayed as greedy bribed servants of capitalism.
WL's choice of article:
But there’s also been a backlash against labor
generally. In 2009, for the first time ever, support for unions in the Gallup
poll dipped below fifty per cent. A 2010 Pew Research poll offered even
worse numbers, with just forty-one per cent of respondents saying they
I thank you, comrades of the Newspaper Anasintaxi, for your excellent communist
exposition on the class struggle in Greece. I enjoyed reading it dutifully.
Thank you for standing in the lead and never abandoning the aspirations of the
working class.
yours,
f580
--- On Wed, 1/12/11,
Before the anti union/ anti worker communists revel in ecstasy over the
decline in the organized labor movement, here I present a bit of a downer for
you: employers pay anti union consultants tens of thousands of dollars per
campaign to frustrate a union drive. These maneuvers contribute to
A report released by the Bureau of National Affairs on October 29, 2010 shows
unions participated in 221 more representation elections during the first half
of 2010 than the same period in 2009, but union victories decreased
statistically. According to the report, unions won 69.2% of the 812
Dear LIST 200+,
I promise not to mention the name of mr. waistline either and will post on the
fight back by the revolutionary working class instead of whining over the
unemployment rate or the damn robots, although I welcome any insight on this
matter; someone has to lead the fight against
Iran 'downs two western spy drones'
Iran's revolutionary Guards claim shooting down two drones in the Gulf for
violations against the Islamic republic soil.
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Bolivia's Morales drops planned fuel prices
Protests as Haiti celebrates independence
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RALLY COMRADES:
The struggle for survival of the jobless is not the struggle of worker
against employer, but a struggle to demand that the State provides what the
private sector is not providing. None of the practical and economic problems
of the jobless and the part-time, temporary and
I hope, comrade Scott, that you don't leave the LIST. I do agree that
there is some vile revisionism brewing. If worst comes to worst, I
shall leave the LIST myself and leave it to that other guy [nameless] to
spew his new class stuff. I do hope, even after we leave, that a
new wave of
WL:
Our society is headed for a social calamity unlike anything we have
witnessed in the past 40 years. While avoiding no arena of struggle
revolutionaries unwaveringly throw their strategic blow – meager resources, at
that
section of thee proletariat poised to enter combat with the state,
Greece unions, youth in streets protest slashed wages
serviceshttp://www.workers.org/2010/world/greece_1230/
By
G. Dunkel
Published Dec 23, 2010 10:55 PM
Tens of thousands of workers in Greece took to the streets Dec. 15 to protest
the drastic austerity measures the Greek
MC:
As these three have been in perpetual disagreement for the last few years I
consign the whole lot to the bin.
REPLY:
I'm sorry that I'm not familiar with you comrade MC. Are you a moderator and
are the moderators sentencing the three of us to the garbage?
f580
--- On Sun,
Thanx for the history lesson on the CPUSA and analysis on machines / robotics,
comrade Nikogda, it was most enlightening and appreciated.
Happy New Year!
yours,
f580
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Comrade George,
And a very Happy New Year to you!
f580
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Dear comrade Scott[y],
Wishing you a Happy New Year!
f580
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I'll just say this: imperialism is not such a big word at all. It is actually
a little word, and any well educated, working class school girl will know the
history of Imperialism up to and including the present and even guess on its
future. Imperialism like everything moribund decays and
That's right mister. communists like you. No slip of the tongue. There
will be, in this revolution too, workers who will side with fascism, just
the same, and you fit the picture. No need to be stuck in the past. The
future is up to you. The communist international blamed the social
Dear Comrades,
I noticed the private property without capitalism quote, but dismissed it as
a typographical error. Or, a lot of things are said here that make no sense.
Private property without capitalism can be the illogical conclusion of he
economic communism theory that's also peddled in
WL:
You earnestly believe me to side with the political fascist?
Is this not way over the top?
COMMENT:
I don't know, I hope not. But how can anybody be so certain as to say: The
workers who keep their jobs can only protect that toehold against
disaster by inevitably moving closer to
gotcha. But I'll be keeping my eye on you.
f580
--- On Fri, 12/31/10, waistli...@aol.com waistli...@aol.com wrote:
From: waistli...@aol.com waistli...@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MLL] Know Your Enemy, Know Yourself
To: marxist-leninist-list@lists.econ.utah.edu
Date: Friday, December 31, 2010, 5:19
oh shishkobab, a response. I'm flattered that you consider me such an enemy.
Here interpret this: #$$%%^ You!
f580
--- On Fri, 12/31/10, waistli...@aol.com waistli...@aol.com wrote:
From: waistli...@aol.com waistli...@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MLL] Know Your Enemy, Know Yourself
To:
And NO, I don't really consider you a political fascist. Have a Happy New Year!
f580
--- On Fri, 12/31/10, waistli...@aol.com waistli...@aol.com wrote:
From: waistli...@aol.com waistli...@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MLL] Know Your Enemy, Know Yourself
To:
Comrade Scott,
LRNA statement:
.A huge social motion will arise on these changes. Auto is the harbinger
of things to come. As nationalization proceeds in the interests of the
capitalists, the workers are objectively thrown up against the state.
The workers who keep their jobs can only
WL:
Without increasingly less labor costs to the capitalists, robots on the
assembly line work more efficiently than workers, and computer-operated tool
and die makers are faster and more accurate than skilled mechanists. Labor
is being eliminated from production, and thus the source of
CONCERNS OF A CAPITALIST; a most interesting article, almost true to the
letter. Perhaps LAMENTATIONS would have been a better title.
F580
http://www.communistrobot.com/index.php?page=nav=1article=1
COMMUNIST ROBOT
If not within our lifetime, than within the lifetime of our children
Another New Year, another notch.
All scientists engage in theoretical discussions, even Steven Hawkins himself
faced shameful criticism over his thesis that mater is destroyed as it passes
through a black hole. Later, Hawkins rescinded this theory under much
ridicule.
Objective Facts are
Peace on Earth, good will toward men/women, Angel Gabriel
People’s Korea defuses U.S. war provocation
By Fred Goldstein
Published Dec 23, 2010 12:16 AM
The dangerous military crisis on the Korean peninsula has been defused for the
moment. The Democratic Peoples’ Republic of Korea did not
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia-pacific/2010/12/201012233479157770.html
N Korea prepared for 'holy war'
North Korea says it is ready for 'holy war' using its nuclear deterrent
following major live fire drills by the South.
North Korea's minister of armed forces has said its military is
http://www.onwar.com/aced/data/charlie/chile1973.htm
Military Dictatorship in Chile 1973-1975
The Allende experiment enjoyed a triumphant first year, followed by two
disastrous final years. According to the UP, Chile was being exploited by
parasitic foreign and domestic capitalists. The
MASS UPRISING DEFEATS CIA COUP IN VENEZUELA
http://www.iacenter.org/Venezuela/venez_uprising.htm
The main question is the extent to which the pro-Chávez forces are organized
to carry out these tasks. The central task in any revolution is the creation
of organs of popular power that can
http://www.unm.edu/~noticias/noticias/LADB-venezuela-article-in-las-noticias.htm
VENEZUELA: OPPOSITION FAILS TO OVERTHROW PRESIDENT HUGO CHAVEZ
Reprinted with permission from Notisur, Latin American Data Base (LADB),
University of New Mexico. http: www.ladb.unm.edu
The Venezuelan
Happy Holidays
f580
--- On Thu, 12/23/10, waistli...@aol.com waistli...@aol.com wrote:
From: waistli...@aol.com waistli...@aol.com
Subject: [MLL] enough happy holidays
To: marxist-leninist-list@lists.econ.utah.edu
Date: Thursday, December 23, 2010, 7:00 AM
Well, I guess this is about enough
This is all very interesting, please keep us informed.
yours,
f580
--- On Wed, 12/22/10, editor_rev...@indiatimes.com
editor_rev...@indiatimes.com wrote:
From: editor_rev...@indiatimes.com editor_rev...@indiatimes.com
Subject: [MLL] CPI(ML) leaders attacked
To:
to serve their ends. But I guess since it is the US
bourgeoisie who use this violence it is alright with certain Marxists.
Fraternally
Mark Scott
--- On Thu, 12/23/10, frankenstein580 frankied...@yahoo.com wrote:
From: frankenstein580 frankied...@yahoo.com
Subject: [MLL] The extermination
The only one who continues blabbing about extermination is you. You are
causing trouble.
--- On Wed, 12/22/10, waistli...@aol.com waistli...@aol.com wrote:
From: waistli...@aol.com waistli...@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MLL] I denounce the statement below advocating . . . . .
To:
I'm telling your clearly, Mr., that YOU keep bringing up the issue of
extermination. And that YOU are causing trouble here on this LIST.
--- On Wed, 12/22/10, waistli...@aol.com waistli...@aol.com wrote:
From: waistli...@aol.com waistli...@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MLL] I denounce the
I see quite clearly that you keep raising an issue that should be squashed
already. Mark Scott has been making himself quite clear already about what he
really meant by his statement. If you can't pick up the message, then you've
got a problem in communication. I believe that you should
I read his material. And I see the difference between the original quote and
his later posts. Find the quote yourself. It's not my issue any more, it is
yours and this LIST'S.
There was class war during the Bolshevik uprising, and there was class war
during war communism. It is the
Dear LIST Comrades,
This is email and forwarded material, it is not my composition. I post it For
Your Information.
f580
Dear Friends -
At the committee meeting on Sunday, I announced that SEIU Illinois State
Council
adopted the resolution put forward by my union, SEIU Local 73 to
WL:
You state it is I and the intelligence agencies of the bourgeoisie,
specifically the secret police, that is responsible for what Mr. Mark Scott
wrote, because what he wrote was as slip of the tongue, which he REFUSE TO SAY
WAS A SLIP OF THE TONGUE.
COMMENT:
You misconstrue things
Dear comrade Scott[y]
Well. the cat's got my tongue. What can I say. You've said it all.
Bravo Scotty!! Bravo, Bravo!!
The Bourgeois State police kill a youth in NYC practically every week and get
away with it. One day, I say, people are just gonna start shooting back.
Now, I'm
Dear comrade Scott[y]
Well. the cat's got my tongue. What can I say. You've said it all.
Bravo Scotty!! Bravo, Bravo!!
The
Bourgeois State police kill a youth in NYC practically every week and
get away with it. One day, I say, people are just gonna start shooting
back.
Now,
Comrades,
I've read all of this reply by comrade Scott, and I'm impressed. I agree
with the main thrust of the statement since it is quite clear. You know, the
working class is like a religious and primitive people, in a sense, in that,
when it comes to a doctrine or a belief which
DEar Calvin,
Greetings.
You can check with the moderator on this one, but Carr has written extensively
on this subject. The problem that I find with his works is that it includes
about 3 or 4 volumes of history! But a few people have comment that his
version is objective and closer to the
I think that we're going overboard here with this statement produced renew by
Waistline; we can see that Waistline has already disassociated himself from
the extermination word; so you're SAFE, don't worry. NO one here is
advocating Terrorism or the like, as I see it. Also, No need to
--- On Mon, 12/20/10, Calvin Broadbent calvinbroadb...@hotmail.com wrote:
From: Calvin Broadbent calvinbroadb...@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [MLL] Best History of USSR
To: marxist-leninist-list@lists.econ.utah.edu
Date: Monday, December 20, 2010, 1:25 PM
Thanks Frankenstein580, I am very grateful
Venezuela and US in row over envoy
Chavez warns that rejected US envoy will be detained and
deported if he arrives in the South American
Here is a not too interesting account of a latest People's Assembly effort.
Attendants confirmed that there was surely plenty of discussion; and if
anything, one thing was certain: It was an absolutely working class
gathering. The participants agreed to follow up on the following week and
Dear Kale Moshaaver,
You've struck a subject that some of us prefer not to engage in because it can
get pretty abstract. I think that it would suffice to say that each one of
the individuals mentioned have played their heroic role in advancing the
cause of communism and the dictatorship of
Yes, of course there's a world of difference between Lincoln and Stalin. More
on this later.
f580
--- On Fri, 12/17/10, Mark Scott mark1scot...@yahoo.com wrote:
From: Mark Scott mark1scot...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [MLL] Lincoln, Stalin as political memory.
To: For the reaffirmation of
COMMENT:
Of course, anyone can compare anything to something else as they please. But
Stalin and Lincoln are of two separate camps. That the treacherous trotskyists
and other anti communists slanderers may disgrace Stalin and our proletarian
dictatorship on grounds of falsifying history,
Dear List comrades,
I'll settle for this conclusion below taken from a rather lengthy article. I
vote in support of Assange, despite that the bourgeois media uses and distorts
wikileaks intelligence. The Imperialist will always take something good and
#$%$ it up! Assange may not be a
Greetings and welcome Kale Moshaaver,
We could use many a good people here. The LIST defends Marxism Leninism and
opposes Trotskyism. Speaking for myself, I am active in the movement, and I
would dare say the most of us here are active one way or another. We discuss
and partake in
FLETCHER:
Ok, so now many of us have analyzed the world; the time has come to change
it.
COMMENT:
A commemorative ending by Mr. Fletcher, Jr. of his Obama analysis; and every
day that passes in the life of the working class and the poor is indeed another
change, for the worst.
FLETCHER:
Thank you comrades of the Marxist Front for such a refreshing breeze of clarity
in these here articles, and I salute your steadfast conviction for comrade
Stalin.
f580
--- On Mon, 12/13/10, Marxist Front marxistfr...@yahoo.co.in wrote:
From: Marxist Front marxistfr...@yahoo.co.in
Subject:
And from the wage slaves point of view,
you would have to believe yourself Superior to any person whom you
enslave regardless of the stage of production relations.
There are supremacists and chauvinists everywhere, and of all races and of all
nationalities and at every period in
Slavery
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery
Slavery is any system under which human beings are the property of
A little late but just for your information:
http://blackworkersforjustice.org/article.php?id=80
...On Saturday,
Jan. 10, people from across the state will gather in Richmond to convene
a real People’s Assembly. There will be representatives from unions,
community and student groups,
Uniting the struggles: Bronx People’s Assembly
http://www.workers.org/2010/us/people_assembly_1007/
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A Merry Frackless Christmas to All of Us
'TWAS THE NIGHT BEFORE CHRISTMAS, REVISITED
'Twas the night before Christmas, when all through the state,
the citizens were restless, awaiting their fate.
FONG* signs were placed on front lawns with care,
in hopes that gas drilling would [SOON]
Now how did 83%, or so, of the left [my estimate, and I wonder if there even
were that many] know that Obama was going to set the stage toward the
repression of revolutionaries?
They knew because they follow history. And, as in pre world war II Europe,
social democrats, liberals, nice guy
Is there any political group in America making such a call and if so could
you please provide reference so I can examine their literature. I am part
of a group involved in specific areas of work. Also what organized groups
are trying to build a Communist Party. If there are referencing I
BRONX, N.Y.
People’s Assembly builds momentum for struggle
By Dee Knight
Bronx, N.Y.
Published Sep 22, 2010 8:45 PM
Momentum is building for a People’s Assembly on Sept. 25 at Hostos College in
the Bronx. Co-sponsors are the South Bronx Community Congress, the Freedom
Party, Million
Why do Marxists insist on perpetuating the myths and illusion of the
bourgeoisie's
heroes?
f580:
Because, Comrade Scott, It's not that they're heroes, from the proletarian
point of view, it's just that some of us believe that Lincoln played a
qualitative role, if you will, in the struggle
I sometimes like to ask: how do you know what someone is thinking? Answer: By
what they do.
Obama has proven to b a big farce, and the whole world is realizing it. I'm
convinced that he was the plan of the Imperialist all along. Obama is
somewhat worst than Bush, certainly a cowardly
Portugal shut down as 3 million workers strike
By John Catalinotto
Published Dec 5, 2010 10:16 PM
http://www.workers.org/2010/world/portugal_1209/
In Portugal, according to the main labor federation, the CGTP-IN, “The
general strike is against: the so-called austerity measures;
Comrades,
You realize that this guy Borowitz is a comedian. I got a chuckle out of his
report myself.
f580
--- On Tue, 12/7/10, editor_rev...@indiatimes.com
editor_rev...@indiatimes.com wrote:
From: editor_rev...@indiatimes.com editor_rev...@indiatimes.com
Subject: [MLL] In Latest
The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte. Karl Marx 1852
I
Hegel remarks somewhere[*] that all great world-historic facts and personages
appear, so to speak, twice. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the
second time as farce. Caussidière for Danton, Louis Blanc for Robespierre, the
I guess that I should be grateful of waistline for presenting the expressions
of the great proletarian mentors on this matter about quantity and quality.
The more of the masters that you quote, the more it remains the same. Your
presentations must therefore be quantitative, if you will,
“How comical is the reference to the confused, hazy Hegelian notion that
quantity changes into quality, and that therefore an advance, when it
reaches a certain size, becomes capital by this quantitative increase
alone” {498}.
Herr Duhring
..In the
development of material actuality
WL:
In Russia what was overthrown was the
Czar, with the communist outflanking and winning the political contest
rather than the bourgeoisie
f580 comment:
This is truly a very touchy point. It is not just that the communist won the
political contest any more than the Cadets or the
Everything in nature is in constant motion and so there is always something
new occurring. This new happenstance is not always perceptible, but it you
accumulate a particular new amount of a certain thing or condition
surrounding the principal motion, the contradiction will heighten,
Agree to almost everything, no need to comment.
f580
--- On Thu, 12/2/10, waistli...@aol.com waistli...@aol.com wrote:
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Subject: Re: [MLL] Engels on: Quantity
To: marxist-leninist-list@lists.econ.utah.edu
Date: Thursday, December 2, 2010, 11:55 AM
Here is a little of Marx on the matter of Quantity.
http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/ch13.htm
Just as the offensive power of a squadron of cavalry, or the defensive
power of a regiment of infantry is essentially different from the sum of
the offensive or defensive powers of
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