Re: [MeeGo-community] Intels Tablet UX

2011-02-24 Thread Mark Constable
On 25/02/11, Dave Neary wrote: > > Has anyone any idea if and when Intel will contribute their > > Tablet UX binaries and sources to repo.meego.com and > > gitorious.org? > > In short, this thread has been counter-productive and I'd like > everyone who was involved in it (including myuself) to ref

Re: [MeeGo-community] Intels Tablet UX

2011-02-24 Thread Randall Arnold
> - Original message - > From: "Dave Neary‎" > To: "Mark Constable‎" > cc: meego-community@meego.com > Subject: Re: [MeeGo-community] Intels Tablet UX > Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 15:23:24 +0100 > > >Hi, > > Mark Constable wrote: >

Re: [MeeGo-community] Intels Tablet UX

2011-02-24 Thread Gabriel M. Beddingfield
On Thu, 24 Feb 2011, Dave Neary wrote: In short, this thread has been counter-productive and I'd like everyone who was involved in it (including myuself) to reflect on that for a moment. Thank you. :-) -gabriel ___ MeeGo-community mailing list Me

Re: [MeeGo-community] Intels Tablet UX

2011-02-24 Thread Dave Neary
Hi, Mark Constable wrote: > Has anyone any idea if and when Intel will contribute their Tablet > UX binaries and sources to repo.meego.com and gitorious.org? I just wanted to point out that, based on some things I've been hearing recently, this thread has made anyone inside Intel who could have

Re: [MeeGo-community] Intels Tablet UX

2011-02-23 Thread Mark Constable
On 24/02/11, Niels Mayer wrote: > They're not hiding, they're part of the Qt install : > [...] > The MeeGo components are in this directory. The only missing > sourcecode is the C++ for the .so's: Yes, and that's the essential part of what is missing, the source code to these .so components... im

Re: [MeeGo-community] Intels Tablet UX

2011-02-23 Thread Niels Mayer
On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 9:54 PM, Mark Constable wrote: > Yes, the source for the QML files are obviously there, and freely > licensed, but I have yet to locate the source for these components > or figure where or what repo Intel is using so I can stay up to > date with the latest changes. Hacking

Re: [MeeGo-community] Intels Tablet UX

2011-02-23 Thread Gabriel M. Beddingfield
On Wednesday, February 23, 2011 03:22:48 am you wrote: > > Look, I think we all agree on open source. > > > > We disagree that open /development/ is always the right > > thing to do in every case. I think that time-to-market > > is more important. > > The problem is that Doug Fisher stood on sta

Re: [MeeGo-community] Intels Tablet UX

2011-02-23 Thread John Veness
On 23/02/2011 09:22, Andrew Flegg wrote: Intel are going to have to work harder now, now that Nokia's strategy has changed. Previously some things were being forced into the open because two large companies were cooperating on the vast majority of the work. In future, it will be easier for old ha

Re: [MeeGo-community] Intels Tablet UX

2011-02-23 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Andrew Flegg wrote: > The problem is that Doug Fisher stood on stage during the MeeGo > Conference and said "MeeGo is better for X, Y and Z because we develop > in the open". That included vendors, the community, the project and > OEMs. It was repeatedly pointed o

Re: [MeeGo-community] Intels Tablet UX

2011-02-23 Thread Andrew Flegg
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 01:28, Gabriel M. Beddingfield wrote: > > Look, I think we all agree on open source. > > We disagree that open /development/ is always the right > thing to do in every case.  I think that time-to-market is > more important. The problem is that Doug Fisher stood on stage du

Re: [MeeGo-community] Intels Tablet UX

2011-02-22 Thread Randall Arnold
> - Original message - > From: "Gabriel M. Beddingfield‎" > To: meego-community@meego.com > Subject: Re: [MeeGo-community] Intels Tablet UX > Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 19:28:40 -0600 > > >On Tuesday, February 22, 2011 10:48:25 am Randall Arnold > wr

Re: [MeeGo-community] Intels Tablet UX

2011-02-22 Thread Gabriel M. Beddingfield
On Tuesday, February 22, 2011 10:48:25 am Randall Arnold wrote: > This isn't about "us vs them". Intel is a part of the > community. And as for "their every word and action > being scrutinized", that's inflammatory and hyperbolic. > Let's avoid extreme dialog. Well, the impression I get from

Re: [MeeGo-community] Intels Tablet UX

2011-02-22 Thread Mark Constable
On 23/02/11, Gabriel M. Beddingfield wrote: > I'm just saying: Jeez! Lay off Intel for the Tablet UX. Seriously? The other corporate half of MeeGo with the hottest UX, and the most viable future-proof Qt/QML interface example, keeps it to itself. That makes so little sense. > What they did was

Re: [MeeGo-community] Intels Tablet UX

2011-02-22 Thread Michelle O'Brien
On 23/02/11 04:19, Dave Neary wrote: Note that the tablet UX still doesn't have a code-centric project home page yet. I think it would be hugely useful for someone to start a Wiki page for the tablet UX, linking to the various Git modules, documenting how to build& run the bleeding edge, and col

Re: [MeeGo-community] Intels Tablet UX

2011-02-22 Thread Randall Arnold
> - Original message - > From: "Gabriel M. Beddingfield‎" > To: "Dave Neary‎" > cc: meego-community@meego.com > Subject: Re: [MeeGo-community] Intels Tablet UX > Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 09:48:31 -0600 (CST) > > Nobody from Intel or Nokia can

Re: [MeeGo-community] Intels Tablet UX

2011-02-22 Thread Marco Martin
On Tuesday 22 February 2011, Gabriel M. Beddingfield wrote: > On Tue, 22 Feb 2011, John Veness wrote: > > On 22/02/2011 12:58, Gabriel M. Beddingfield wrote: > >> What slows things down (IMHO) it the > >> community whining about how (a) it was all done in secret, > >> (b) how they haven't released

Re: [MeeGo-community] Intels Tablet UX

2011-02-22 Thread Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen
On Tuesday 22 Feb 2011 15:48:31 Gabriel M. Beddingfield wrote: > On Tue, 22 Feb 2011, Dave Neary wrote: > > Gabriel M. Beddingfield wrote: > >> If the community is such a valuable part of shipping > >> products on time... where is the community's tablet UX? > > > > Oh my. What monster topic have I

Re: [MeeGo-community] Intels Tablet UX

2011-02-22 Thread Gabriel M. Beddingfield
On Tue, 22 Feb 2011, Dave Neary wrote: Gabriel M. Beddingfield wrote: If the community is such a valuable part of shipping products on time... where is the community's tablet UX? Oh my. What monster topic have I unleashed? :-) My point, I think, is that design can happen in the public e

Re: [MeeGo-community] Intels Tablet UX

2011-02-22 Thread Alistair Buxton
On 22 February 2011 15:19, Dave Neary wrote: > > Note that the tablet UX still doesn't have a code-centric project home > page yet. I think it would be hugely useful for someone to start a Wiki > page for the tablet UX, linking to the various Git modules, documenting > how to build & run the blee

Re: [MeeGo-community] Intels Tablet UX

2011-02-22 Thread Dave Neary
Gabriel M. Beddingfield wrote: > If the community is such a valuable part of shipping > products on time... where is the community's tablet UX? Oh my. What monster topic have I unleashed? My point, I think, is that design can happen in the public eye without being design by community. I'm perf

Re: [MeeGo-community] Intels Tablet UX

2011-02-22 Thread Gabriel M. Beddingfield
On Tue, 22 Feb 2011, John Veness wrote: On 22/02/2011 12:58, Gabriel M. Beddingfield wrote: What slows things down (IMHO) it the community whining about how (a) it was all done in secret, (b) how they haven't released it publicly, (c) how there's no public repos, (d) how it's not integrated t

Re: [MeeGo-community] Intels Tablet UX

2011-02-22 Thread martin brook
There seems to be a misunderstanding what constitues "MeeGo Community". See meego.com/community Upshot is its all of us. Vgrade On 22 Feb 2011 13:49, "John Veness" wrote: ___ MeeGo-community mailing list MeeGo-community@meego.com http://lists.meego.co

Re: [MeeGo-community] Intels Tablet UX

2011-02-22 Thread John Veness
On 22/02/2011 12:58, Gabriel M. Beddingfield wrote: What slows things down (IMHO) it the community whining about how (a) it was all done in secret, (b) how they haven't released it publicly, (c) how there's no public repos, (d) how it's not integrated to bugs.meego.com blah blah blah. Wow.

Re: [MeeGo-community] Intels Tablet UX

2011-02-22 Thread martin brook
I thought MeeGo = community On 22 Feb 2011 12:59, "Gabriel M. Beddingfield" wrote: > On Tuesday, February 22, 2011 03:30:18 am John Veness wrote: >> On 21/02/2011 19:50, Patrick Ohly wrote: >> > On Mo, 2011-02-21 at 13:45 +, Dave Neary wrote: >> >> But even if the best placed person in the te

Re: [MeeGo-community] Intels Tablet UX

2011-02-22 Thread Gabriel M. Beddingfield
On Tuesday, February 22, 2011 03:30:18 am John Veness wrote: > On 21/02/2011 19:50, Patrick Ohly wrote: > > On Mo, 2011-02-21 at 13:45 +, Dave Neary wrote: > >> But even if the best placed person in the technical UX > >> project agreed, the chances that it could be changed > >> at this point, w

Re: [MeeGo-community] Intels Tablet UX

2011-02-22 Thread Mark Constable
On 22/02/11, martin brook wrote: > > I think Dave's point, which I fully agree with, is that > > the community would like to see things, and be able to get > > involved, at the design and "wireframe" stage. Even if the > > code isn't finished, I assume the design and wireframe specs > > which expla

Re: [MeeGo-community] Intels Tablet UX

2011-02-22 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Couldn't agree more. Now that Intel's is the primary driver, it should show the way to other vendors or at least engage by providing a proper open source tablet UX. If not, then please let us stop wasting resources on creating UXs altogether and invest them in the core os as this needs much love es

Re: [MeeGo-community] Intels Tablet UX

2011-02-22 Thread martin brook
I did not say I was happy about the situation, I was just clarifying the rules as I understand them. On 22 Feb 2011 10:16, "Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen" wrote: > On Tuesday 22 Feb 2011 09:38:52 martin brook wrote: >> John, >> >> As far as I'm aware ISV's/OEM's are free to develop a UX on top of >>

Re: [MeeGo-community] Intels Tablet UX

2011-02-22 Thread John Veness
On 22/02/2011 09:38, martin brook wrote: As far as I'm aware ISV's/OEM's are free to develop a UX on top of MeeGo to differentiate themselves in the marketplace ala TouchWiz, Motoblur, SenseUI etc. I know about that and don't have a problem with that, but I didn't think what Intel has just rel

Re: [MeeGo-community] Intels Tablet UX

2011-02-22 Thread Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen
On Tuesday 22 Feb 2011 09:38:52 martin brook wrote: > John, > > As far as I'm aware ISV's/OEM's are free to develop a UX on top of > MeeGo to differentiate themselves in the marketplace ala TouchWiz, > Motoblur, SenseUI etc. > > The UX is not part of MeeGo compliance and does not need to be open.

Re: [MeeGo-community] Intels Tablet UX

2011-02-22 Thread martin brook
John, As far as I'm aware ISV's/OEM's are free to develop a UX on top of MeeGo to differentiate themselves in the marketplace ala TouchWiz, Motoblur, SenseUI etc. The UX is not part of MeeGo compliance and does not need to be open. vgrade On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 9:30 AM, John Veness wrote: > O

Re: [MeeGo-community] Intels Tablet UX

2011-02-22 Thread John Veness
On 21/02/2011 19:50, Patrick Ohly wrote: On Mo, 2011-02-21 at 13:45 +, Dave Neary wrote: But even if the best placed person in the technical UX project agreed, the chances that it could be changed at this point, when we find out about it, are slim. The costs now would be much higher than if

Re: [MeeGo-community] Intels Tablet UX

2011-02-22 Thread Alistair Buxton
[forgot reply-to-all again, sorry] On 22 February 2011 05:54, Mark Constable wrote: > > import MeeGo.Components 0.1 > import MeeGo.Media 0.1 > import MeeGo.Sharing 0.1 > > Anyone know where the source to these components is hiding? > > Does Intel want any feedback or patches for this interface?

Re: [MeeGo-community] Intels Tablet UX

2011-02-21 Thread Mark Constable
On 22/02/11, Niels Mayer wrote: > On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 7:39 AM, Mark Constable wrote: > > Has anyone any idea if and when Intel will contribute their Tablet > > UX binaries and sources to repo.meego.com and gitorious.org? > > Interestingly, the files in the Intel Tablet UX ( > http://appdevelo

Re: [MeeGo-community] Intels Tablet UX

2011-02-21 Thread Niels Mayer
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 7:39 AM, Mark Constable wrote: > Has anyone any idea if and when Intel will contribute their Tablet > UX binaries and sources to repo.meego.com and gitorious.org? Interestingly, the files in the Intel Tablet UX ( http://appdeveloper.intel.com/en-us/meego-iso-esla ) all hav

Re: [MeeGo-community] Intels Tablet UX

2011-02-21 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 2:58 PM, Alistair Buxton wrote: > > Also, the panels aren't overflowing the screen. I can see why you would > think that, but they are actually supposed to touch the bottom of the > display. They overflow my display on the ideapad. By now I can't really test, as I needed

Re: [MeeGo-community] Intels Tablet UX

2011-02-21 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Dan, your words should be set in stone. By now I kind of miss the pretty amazing task switching approach Maemo has. Yes, I know I gave a talk about its shortcomings but it has already made some amazing things clever and it is a shame we don't reuse and reinvent wheels with MeeGo reference UX. -Siv

Re: [MeeGo-community] Intels Tablet UX

2011-02-21 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Dave, I would like to join this opinion of yours. If anything, my talk at meego con showed the ill results for Maemo but there was no option there to do UX development in the open. Alas, MeeGo seems to repeat most of the mistakes time after time without improving. This dramatically can influence th

Re: [MeeGo-community] Intels Tablet UX

2011-02-21 Thread Patrick Ohly
On Mo, 2011-02-21 at 13:45 +, Dave Neary wrote: > But even if the best placed person in the technical UX project agreed, > the chances that it could be changed at this point, when we find out > about it, are slim. The costs now would be much higher than if the > change were proposed & made seve

Re: [MeeGo-community] Intels Tablet UX

2011-02-21 Thread Dave Neary
Hi, Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen wrote: > On Monday 21 Feb 2011 12:58:10 Alistair Buxton wrote: >> That is how it is supposed to work. You are supposed to press the windows >> key to go back, or hold it for the application switcher. > So, my suggestion - user taps win key, if no apps are open, s

Re: [MeeGo-community] Intels Tablet UX

2011-02-21 Thread Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen
On Monday 21 Feb 2011 12:58:10 Alistair Buxton wrote: > On 18 February 2011 10:54, Sivan Greenberg wrote: > > Speaking of which, what would be the way to change the resolution for > > it on the ideapad such that it will be usable on it? It is quite a > > pain to have to switch to a VT and kill the

Re: [MeeGo-community] Intels Tablet UX

2011-02-21 Thread Alistair Buxton
On 18 February 2011 10:54, Sivan Greenberg wrote: > Speaking of which, what would be the way to change the resolution for > it on the ideapad such that it will be usable on it? It is quite a > pain to have to switch to a VT and kill the focused app to get back to > either panels ,which ofcourse g

Re: [MeeGo-community] Intels Tablet UX

2011-02-18 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Speaking of which, what would be the way to change the resolution for it on the ideapad such that it will be usable on it? It is quite a pain to have to switch to a VT and kill the focused app to get back to either panels ,which ofcourse go out of screen boundary or the apps menu which takes the wh

Re: [MeeGo-community] Intels Tablet UX

2011-02-17 Thread Vincent Yau
Hi Mark: Not sure when it will be in git or repo. But you can go to this link: http://appdeveloper.intel.com/en-us/meego-sdk-suite And you can see a download for the MeeGo tablet ux 1.2 release Thanks --Vincent On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 7:39 AM, Mark Constable wrote: > On 18/02/11, Bao, N

[MeeGo-community] Intels Tablet UX

2011-02-17 Thread Mark Constable
On 18/02/11, Bao, Nick wrote: > The next 1.1 update release will be on Feb 25th. > http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.1/latest/ Has anyone any idea if and when Intel will contribute their Tablet UX binaries and sources to repo.meego.com and gitorious.org? --markc ___