Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell

2007-10-20 Thread Renato Salles
David Johson wrote: ... I hate to say to her that this is really the last big-ticket item, and then the next day something else comes up. How many of us are in the same situation? We fix, fix, and it's never fixed! Well, it's the Mercedes-Benz way of life... For a daily user basis, a pre-85

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell

2007-10-20 Thread Tom Hargrave
] On Behalf Of Renato Salles Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 3:22 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell David Johson wrote: ... I hate to say to her that this is really the last big-ticket item, and then the next day something else comes up. How many of us are in the same situation? We

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell

2007-10-20 Thread Jim Cathey
For a daily user basis, a pre-85 Mercedes does or doesn't worth never-ending fixings? A brand-new car often ends up in the shop, sometimes a little, sometimes a lot. 'Free', but there is still the PITA factor. After a year or two you should be past that and coasting on its newness. For

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell

2007-10-20 Thread OK Don
It ehlps if working on your old Mercedes is your hobby --- you'd be spending the time/money on something else if you weren't spending it on the car. On 10/20/07, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For a daily user basis, a pre-85 Mercedes does or doesn't worth never-ending fixings? A

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12

2007-09-10 Thread Kevin Kraly
die Kiste box, case, chest, crate I guess this one would work for the Sprinter, and when she gets old, die alte Kiste would work. Kevin in Portland, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula 2006 Sprinter PV 1.6Kmi, die neue Kiste ___ http://www.okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12

2007-09-10 Thread andrew strasfogel
@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 12:48 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12 Here's the latest news on the accelerated melting of the polar ice caps but not to worry, every word is probably a lie: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12

2007-09-10 Thread LWB250
Glaziers? Guys who hang glass are melting? This is the first I've heard of this... grin Dan --- andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yea, the glaziers are melting. Wonder why quite a few are expanding?

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? stupid car killer Jeremy Clarkson

2007-09-09 Thread Hendrik
and we learn what from this? Personally i prefer to view something like junkyard wars and the other challenge programs. There was one on the other day about remote controlled submarines that had to compete in a series of trials, that was interesting. A bunch of poms thrashing other peoples cars

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12

2007-09-08 Thread Hendrik
what is the German word for Box?) Sprinter Kevin Kraly wrote: SNIPPED Kevin in Portland, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula who got dropped off at MBI today for much needed attention 2006 Sprinter PV 1.6Kmi, The Box (what is the German word for Box?) ___

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12

2007-09-08 Thread Mitch Haley
E M wrote: I kind of had my eye on a small displacement Lambo LM002, it's only 5.2litres. Mind you, those 12 cylinders do burn through that 76 gallon/ 290 litre tank of premium gas kind of fast. hee hee. Hmm, maybe a diesel conversion project?? :-) Now that might be interesting. Know

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12/Wickapoodia (my spelling)

2007-09-08 Thread LarryT
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Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12

2007-09-08 Thread Kevin Kraly
Now that's quite funny saying that Sprinter is the German word for box! At least the nose has some curvature to it. We hauled the boat behind it for the first time the other day, and it did well. It isn't the powerhouse that the Cummins was, but that's fine with me. Kevin in Portland, OR

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12

2007-09-08 Thread Mitch Haley
Kevin Kraly wrote: 2006 Sprinter PV 1.6Kmi, The Box IIRC, The Box was the actual name of a 1970's kit car. It was shaped like a shoe box with a wedge shaped nose, open wheels, four wheel steering via a foot operated handlebar (hydraulic), and hand throttle. I can't remember what powered it.

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12

2007-09-08 Thread Curt Raymond
you are... Etc. The irony is when you remember I work in the television industry... -Curt Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 12:35:52 +0930 From: Hendrik [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12

2007-09-08 Thread Curt Raymond
From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed heck no, if you have a need for a big vehicle for hauling, then by all

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12

2007-09-08 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Sat, 08 Sep 2007 18:53:04 +0930 Hendrik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what is the German word for Box?) There are several, with different shades of meaning: die Schachtel box, package der Kasten box, chest, bin, hutch showcase die Kiste box, case, chest, crate das Behältnis

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12

2007-09-08 Thread Frederick Moir
Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is ZERO personal accountability in the world today. -Curt Amen to that!! With the possible exceptions of the people on this list and a few saints. Fred Moir Lynn MA Dieselitis Maximus - Looking for a deal?

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12

2007-09-08 Thread Jim Cathey
There is ZERO personal accountability in the world today. With the possible exceptions of the people on this list... Whatchew mean, Willis? There's no accounting for me at all! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor:

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12

2007-09-08 Thread Frederick Moir
Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is ZERO personal accountability in the world today. With the possible exceptions of the people on this list... Whatchew mean, Willis? There's no accounting for me at all! -- Jim As you well know, James, you are in both categories! Fred Moir Lynn MA

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12

2007-09-08 Thread E M
I love this post!! :-) hee hee Ed 300E On 08/09/2007, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No matter what anybody says people are, deep down, inherently greedy horrible little bastards. How some people manage to rise above it and collaborate on anything is one of the amazing mysteries of

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12

2007-09-08 Thread OK Don
And that is the premise and major point of Al Gore's recent book - The Assault on Reason. On 9/8/07, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TV is the real enemy, people get seated in front of that idiot box and I swear it literally sucks their brains out through their eyes. -- OK Don, KD5NRO

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12

2007-09-08 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
with 12 volts applied they should hold vacuum at the vacuum port with the out port plugged OK Don wrote: And that is the premise and major point of Al Gore's recent book - The Assault on Reason. On 9/8/07, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TV is the real enemy, people get seated in

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? car killer Jeremy Clarkson

2007-09-08 Thread Hendrik
A good example of this is the UN (and perhaps it's predecessor the league of nations), to set it up is perhaps one of the greatest acts of humanity but it's actual execution shows us what we are really like. Far as that pompous git goes, that is the problem with critics. They are life's

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? car killer Jeremy Clarkson

2007-09-08 Thread John Robbins
Hendrik wrote: Personally I don't bother watching anything he does because I know it is all crap and what is the point of watching a show about cars I have little or no hope of owning. I don't watch it for the exotic super cars (although some I do watch)... I watch it for the skits where

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? car killer Jeremy Clarkson

2007-09-08 Thread Mitch Haley
Hendrik wrote: I had a quick look at wikipedia about him and can't see anything that would lead me to think that he has any qualifications to talk about cars. I watch him jerk, slide, and overcorrect a car around the track and think he's the only professional car tester I've ever seen who

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12

2007-09-07 Thread Mitch Haley
Kaleb C. Striplin, work wrote: Well, all they are required to do is see your license to purchase refrigerant. They do not need a business license. What you do with it is none of their business either. Parts stores usually want my business (sales tax) license # before giving me a

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12

2007-09-07 Thread Mitch Haley
Hendrik wrote: Well yes there are still cars in Oz with R12 in the system but it is now unobtanium and releasing it into the atmosphere is against the law. Releasing R12 can win us a USD10,000 fine. What's it cost down under, or do they jail you? We pay the same fine if we release R134a,

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12

2007-09-07 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin, work
PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 11:52 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12 It is also illegal to release here and legal purchase is very difficult. There are two parts houses in town that still sell R12 the last time I

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12

2007-09-07 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin, work
06, 2007 11:19 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12 Kaleb, Actually, there is proof that R12 damages the ozone layer the scientists understand exactly how the process occurs. They have even sampled found R12 in the stratosphere. R22 would also damage the ozone layer if it reached

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12

2007-09-07 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin, work
, September 07, 2007 8:46 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12 Kaleb C. Striplin, work wrote: Well, all they are required to do is see your license to purchase refrigerant. They do not need a business license. What you do with it is none of their business either. Parts stores usually

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12

2007-09-07 Thread Bob DuPuy
You pablum eater and kool aide drinkers crack me up. Ozone is continually created in the upper atmosphere in vast quantities by sunlight acting on the gases present. It is the height of hubris to think mans puny efforts even if they were intentional could have a significant effect. R12 was banned

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12

2007-09-07 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 09:25:09 -0500 Bob DuPuy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You pablum eater and kool aide drinkers crack me up. Ozone is continually created in the upper atmosphere in vast quantities by sunlight acting on the gases present. It is the height of hubris to think mans puny efforts even

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12

2007-09-07 Thread John Robbins
LarryT wrote: At last, the voice of Reality!! DuPont got the Ozone scare started when everybody and their brother was making it in garages and little factories all over the world. And DP didn;t get a penny from it - which was the whole problem. Now, as Bob so eloquently stated, DP

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12

2007-09-07 Thread LarryT
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Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12

2007-09-07 Thread andrew strasfogel
Here's the latest news on the accelerated melting of the polar ice caps but not to worry, every word is probably a lie: The Arctic ice cap is melting faster than previously thought, and it will shrink 40 percent by 2050 in most regions, according to a National Oceanic and Atmospheric

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12

2007-09-07 Thread Mitch Haley
andrew strasfogel wrote: NOAA oceanographer James Overland and agency meteorologist Muyin Wang based their calculations on the carbon dioxide that is in the atmosphere. That pollution will greatly diminish the ice by 2050, regardless of future curbs on emissions, Overland said. That's not a

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12

2007-09-07 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin, work
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12 Here's the latest news on the accelerated melting of the polar ice caps but not to worry, every word is probably a lie: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12

2007-09-07 Thread Tom Hargrave
List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 9/7/07 1:25 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12 On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 09:25:09 -0500 Bob DuPuy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You pablum eater and kool aide drinkers crack me up. Ozone is continually created in the upper atmosphere in vast quantities by sunlight

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12

2007-09-07 Thread Barry Stark
Kaleb - I thought that I heard that the Northern areas are receding and the south pole is expanding. Barry yea, the glaziers are melting. Wonder why quite a few are expanding? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor:

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12

2007-09-07 Thread Tom Hargrave
Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= The scientists don't understand why either but they do measue traces of R12 in the stratosphere. The other issue is that the free chlorine acts as a catalyst to break down ozone. Thanks

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12

2007-09-07 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozone_depletion Tom www.kegkits.com Original Message From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09/07/07 02:36 PM To: Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12

2007-09-07 Thread Trampas
:31 PM To: 'Craig McCluskey'; 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12 The scientists don't understand why either but they do measue traces of R12 in the stratosphere. The other issue is that the free chlorine acts as a catalyst to break down ozone. Thanks, Tom 256-656

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12

2007-09-07 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
actually, that is not true either, that is, well, I guess, an urban legend of sorts. Trampas wrote: What happened is Dupont's patent expired then the scientists found the problem. Luckly Dupont had the solution in R134 which they have a patent on... Trampas -- Kaleb C.

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12

2007-09-07 Thread John Robbins
Trampas wrote: What happened is Dupont's patent expired then the scientists found the problem. Luckly Dupont had the solution in R134 which they have a patent on... http://www.imcool.com/articles/aircondition/refrigerant_history.php ___

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12

2007-09-07 Thread Hendrik
OK, we are waiting. Kaleb C. Striplin, work wrote: and Im sure I can find out just as much proof to the contrary. In other words, who knows. --- Kaleb C. Striplin ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor:

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12

2007-09-07 Thread thargrav
:31 PM To: 'Craig McCluskey'; 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12 The scientists don't understand why either but they do measue traces of R12 in the stratosphere. The other issue is that the free chlorine acts as a catalyst to break down ozone. Thanks, Tom

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12

2007-09-07 Thread Hendrik
And you're evidence is? It is all very nice to try and discredit things we don't particularly want to hear but once all the polar bears have drowned it will be you and your super consumer mates who will have to try and explain that this is all part of a natural cycle. All I want is the truth,

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12

2007-09-07 Thread OK Don
Carbon tetrachloride is not freon. R12 Freon is CCl2F2 or diclorodifluoromethane. The boiling point of diclorodifluoromethane at -29.8 °C vs. 1465 °C for sodium chloride might explain why it's not found much in the stratosphere. FTR, the molecular weight of R12 is 121, and salt is 58, not that it

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12

2007-09-07 Thread Hendrik
I believe you are able to correct wikipedia articles if you feel that they are not accurate. However make sure that you have references (no, using okiebenz listers as references is not going to work) and list them at the end of the article. Perhaps you and the 'everything is sweet' crowd can

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12/Wickapoodia (my spelling)

2007-09-07 Thread JFreezn
In a message dated 9/7/2007 4:35:50 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anyone who does not believe that R12 is bad for the ozone layer needs to read this article. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozone_depletion Tom and all, People who write for Wikipedia are not

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12

2007-09-07 Thread OK Don
And that's the problem we have - too much science is based on a priori knowledge - like that excess stomach acid makes stomach ulcers. Finally someone had the audacity to culture one and found that they are bacterial infections. The scientists had known that bacteria couldn't live in the stomach

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12

2007-09-07 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
well you will be waiting a while then. Hendrik wrote: OK, we are waiting. Kaleb C. Striplin, work wrote: and Im sure I can find out just as much proof to the contrary. In other words, who knows. --- Kaleb C. Striplin ___

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12

2007-09-07 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Many of the scientists who supported this so called global warming problem are now backing down. All this supposed research started when, in the 80's? That is not long enough to see the big picture. I guess our R12 and big SUV's are also warming up Mars too. Wow, we really do polute alot,

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12

2007-09-07 Thread Jim Cathey
This is just another myth. Dupont's Freon patent ran out in the 1950s, long before the ozone problem was discovered and they do not have a patent on R134a. There are 5 major manufacturers of R134a Dupont is just one of them. A patent holder may choose to license the patent to other

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12/Wickapoodia (my spelling)

2007-09-07 Thread OK Don
Correct. Wikipedia is a community project. Those with the knowledge are supposed to write, edit, and correct the information. In my book, that makes it common knowledge - which is what the stomach ulcer episode I mentioned a few minutes ago in the Fix or Sell? killer R12 thread was - common

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12

2007-09-07 Thread Jim Cathey
I'm not sure the state of all research into this topic, but I've always wondered how carbon tetrachloride (freon) with a molecular weight of 152 would be more prevalent in the upper atmosphere than the vastly more available sodium chloride (in sea water) which has a molecular weight of

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12/Wickapoodia (my spelling)

2007-09-07 Thread archer
In a message dated 9/7/2007 4:35:50 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anyone who does not believe that R12 is bad for the ozone layer needs to read this article. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozone_depletion Tom and all, People who write for Wikipedia are not

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12/Wickapoodia (my spelling)

2007-09-07 Thread OK Don
I asked the same question a while back and a local atmospheric scientist told me that no - the two never meet. Maybe we need a match maker. There is supposed to be an ozone shortage at high altitudes yet ozone is a major constituent of air pollution: http://www.nws.noaa.gov/aq/ Does this

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12

2007-09-07 Thread Hendrik
Nobody wants to be the 'boy who cried wolf' but I guess we can wait till we have conclusive proof that we are damaging the environment and then perhaps think about ways we could possibly perhaps maybe reduce emissions by .0008%. Perhaps instead of buying that 7 liter SUV to ferry the kids to

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12

2007-09-07 Thread Hendrik
Apart from everything else, what do you think would happen to DuPont if they where found out to be deliberately using the global warming issue to increase profits? Probably nothing in the US (well they would get a medal from the Prez for being outstanding corporate citizens) but in the PC EU

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12/Wickapoodia (my spelling)

2007-09-07 Thread Hendrik
From my understanding wikipedia works like an online forum, people write stuff and then other people can correct that if they feel they need to. Also you will note that citations and references are required to substantiate what you wrote. In regards to the banning of R12, we cannot stop

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12

2007-09-07 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 20:42:11 -0500 OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Carbon tetrachloride is not freon. R12 Freon is CCl2F2 or diclorodifluoromethane. Oops. You're right, CCl2F2, not CCl4. The boiling point of diclorodifluoromethane at -29.8 °C vs. 1465 °C for sodium chloride might explain

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12/Wickapoodia (my spelling)

2007-09-07 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
I think they are 2 different things, seems I heard that. archer wrote: In a message dated 9/7/2007 4:35:50 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anyone who does not believe that R12 is bad for the ozone layer needs to read this article.

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12

2007-09-07 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
heck no, if you have a need for a big vehicle for hauling, then by all means, have it. Just to drive around in is stupid. Everyone should be more efficient, but I do not think they should be forced to. Its up to the individual. Hendrik wrote: Nobody wants to be the 'boy who cried wolf'

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12

2007-09-07 Thread Kevin Kraly
Perhaps instead of buying that 7 liter SUV to ferry the kids to soccer, we'll opt for the 6.8 liter and get that warm, fussy feeling that we have personally saved the planet from becoming a hot house. In my family fleet, there have been quite a few changes in vehicles over the past couple

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12

2007-09-07 Thread E M
I kind of had my eye on a small displacement Lambo LM002, it's only 5.2litres. Mind you, those 12 cylinders do burn through that 76 gallon/ 290 litre tank of premium gas kind of fast. hee hee. Hmm, maybe a diesel conversion project?? :-) Ed 300E On 08/09/2007, Kevin Kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell?

2007-09-06 Thread Robert Tara Ludwick
I think you should sell the thing to me for $50 :-) Seriously though, how long ago was the hose fixed before? Where exactly is it leaking now? the middle of the hose, at the crimp fittings? When the hose assembly was rebuilt before, did they cut off the crimp collars and put the new hose on,

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell?

2007-09-06 Thread Kevin Kraly
If you decided to sell the old 300Dt, what would replace it? You spent lots of money on it that you'll certainly never get back, and the chances are pretty good that a similar car may need the same things. If you're stickin' with Mercedes diesels, keep it rather than starting all over with

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell?

2007-09-06 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin, work
:57 PM Subject: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? The AC manifold hose in my 83 300 DT is leaking. It was rebuilt once before, so my trusted indy recommended a replacement if I want to fix it. The total bill will be in the neighborhood of $800-900, with parts from Rusty. I don't know if I should

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell?

2007-09-06 Thread Curt Raymond
. Where are you located? I've been looking for another car for awhile now. -Curt Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 20:57:34 -0700 (PDT) From: David Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell?

2007-09-06 Thread David Johnson
Robert, I don't know how long ago and how the hose was rebuilt.This was done by the previous ownber. The leak is at the bottom, where the crimp fitting is. I saw drops of fluid coming out, and it was confirmed with UV light. The labor for this thing is 3 hours, plus the cost of the

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell?

2007-09-06 Thread Jim Cathey
The labor for this thing is 3 hours, plus the cost of the evacuation, and filling up with 3 lbs of refrigerant. For the price you were quoted you could remove it yourself and take it to a hose shop for another (proper) rebuild, and _buy_ all the AC tools, and supplies, to do it yourself.

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell?

2007-09-06 Thread David Johnson
Kevin, This car was born and kept in California for 20 years, and then to AZ, so there's no rust problem. That's one reason I'm attached to the car. On the other hand, I'd be really screwed if I fix this and then the transmission develops a problem, If I sell this, probably will get a

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell?

2007-09-06 Thread David Johnson
: David Johnson Subject: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? To: Mercedes Discussion List Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 The AC manifold hose in my 83 300 DT is leaking. It was rebuilt once before, so my trusted indy recommended a replacement if I want to fix

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell?

2007-09-06 Thread Loren Faeth
. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: David Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 10:57 PM Subject: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? The AC manifold hose in my 83 300 DT is leaking

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell?

2007-09-06 Thread Mitch Haley
Jim Cathey wrote: For the price you were quoted you could remove it yourself and take it to a hose shop for another (proper) rebuild, and _buy_ all the AC tools, and supplies, to do it yourself. And if you're lucky (they are cheap, but hard to find unless you buy ahead of the need) you'll

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell?

2007-09-06 Thread ernest breakfield
David, consider what you could buy to replace it with; even though what you've got now isn't exactly a low-mileage example, certainly it would cost more to buy something else comparable than it will cost to repair what you have now, and there's no guarantee you wouldn't have the issues

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell?

2007-09-06 Thread Mitch Haley
David Johnson wrote: I'm just worried about fixing this and then something like a transmission problem crops up. When you shift from park to reverse, how long does it take before reverse engages? You could probably sell a car like that just needs the A/C recharged in the rust belt for a

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell?

2007-09-06 Thread David Johnson
Loren, I agree. Mathematically, you're right. The Car Talk guys are also in this camp. One other thing that the wife brought up was how safe is the car compared to the new ones with airbags, and all the likes. David Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you bought a new car, what

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell?

2007-09-06 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin, work
, September 06, 2007 10:06 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? Kevin, This car was born and kept in California for 20 years, and then to AZ, so there's no rust problem. That's one reason I'm attached to the car. On the other hand, I'd be really screwed if I fix this and then the transmission

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell?

2007-09-06 Thread David Johnson
Ernest, A lot of the things that I replaced were the result of new owner excitement syndrome. For example, I replaced the shocks and the seat cushions because I figured they must have been out with time. The only problems that I encountered were leaking oil cooler, faltering alt with the

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell?

2007-09-06 Thread Mitch Haley
David Johnson wrote: My indy sais the compressor is still good. Is there a way to prognosticate on compressor, dryer, etc? Compressors last a long time, provided they are fed plentiful dry freon with adequate oil in it. Dryers ($25-50) should be replaced whenever you open the system for

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell?

2007-09-06 Thread ernest breakfield
hi David! if you don't need to worry about the compressor (and it sounds like you don't), i'd consider the receiver/dryer a filter, and replace it if i had the system open to do any work (especially if the POs service was questionable!). for the prices you were quoting, i would think that

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell?

2007-09-06 Thread JFreezn
In a message dated 9/6/2007 8:11:46 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm in Arizona, so the AC is almost a necessity for most of the year. I really need to fix or sell the car, unfortunately. David, The price you got ($800 ) is fair considering you are

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell?

2007-09-06 Thread David Johnson
Sometimes 1 or 2 seconds. Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Johnson wrote: I'm just worried about fixing this and then something like a transmission problem crops up. When you shift from park to reverse, how long does it take before reverse engages? You

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell?

2007-09-06 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On 9/6/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really feel that any clean drivable Mercedes deserves to be fixed forever! Amen to that! Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell?

2007-09-06 Thread ernest breakfield
Jim, no sphere issues; unless he mistyped it (twice!), David's talking about a sedan, not a wagon. cheers! e [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] In your MB future, rear spheres will probably show up on the fix it list before the trans goes. [snip] ___

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell?

2007-09-06 Thread David Johnson
Jim, I maybe wrong, but I recall the tag was like $21 per year, the lowest that I ever have to pay. CN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/6/2007 8:11:46 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm in Arizona, so the AC is almost a necessity for most of the

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell?

2007-09-06 Thread Robert Rentfro
To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? Jim, I maybe wrong, but I recall the tag was like $21 per year, the lowest that I ever have to pay. CN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/6/2007 8:11:46 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm in Arizona

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell?

2007-09-06 Thread David Johnson
Robert, Thanks for your advice. I'll check with the local shop. What kills me is the labotr to evacuate the R12 and to put the new hose on is listed as 3 hours by the book, plus 3 lbs of the R12. It's a slow leak, with drops of dye-colored fluid coming out right where the crimp fitting

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell?

2007-09-06 Thread Mitch Haley
Robert Tara Ludwick wrote: If cash is an issue and occasional recharges aren't the way you want to go, , you might just want to get the system sucked down, then replace the parts yourself, get the hose some new rubber, pop the 134 fittings on, get it sucked down or rent a vacuum pump

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell?

2007-09-06 Thread Jim Cathey
considering you are replacing a hose unit that terminates under the dash on one end, I didn't think that this hose actually went that far. If we are talking about the manifold hose that bolts to the back of the compressor itself. There are joints along the way. -- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell?

2007-09-06 Thread David Johnson
Thanks, Jim. Good write-up and kind of humorous, too, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've never worked on AC before so I'm kind of chicken about it. No time like the present. It's amazing what a no-fear attitude and some thought can lead you through.

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell?

2007-09-06 Thread Jim Cathey
I've never worked on AC before so I'm kind of chicken about it. No time like the present. It's amazing what a no-fear attitude and some thought can lead you through. http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/cwair.html -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell?

2007-09-06 Thread David Johnson
Jim, You're right. David Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: considering you are replacing a hose unit that terminates under the dash on one end, I didn't think that this hose actually went that far. - Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please?

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12

2007-09-06 Thread Tom Hargrave
Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= This is another good example of why the US should not be in charge of the world, just about every civilized nation has banned R12 due to it doing nasty things to the ozone but h

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12

2007-09-06 Thread Hendrik
Well obviously according to those scientists, there is in fact no ozone layer and all the pollution we are producing is actually good for the environment. And if those scientists are wrong, what are you gonna do? After all they have cashed their cheques and are now living somewhere in the

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12

2007-09-06 Thread Hendrik
Well yes there are still cars in Oz with R12 in the system but it is now unobtanium and releasing it into the atmosphere is against the law. Tom Hargrave wrote: Manufacturing new R12 has been banned in this country but there is still old stock around, plus re-cyclers are re-processing stock.

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell?

2007-09-06 Thread David Johnson
Wish I had a 124. Mine is a 123. The wife just threw out the Honda brand more or less because of repair fatigue, rather than an affinity to a particular brand. We did have an Acura that was problem free for 10 years, until one of the heads cracked. Hendrik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The 124

Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell?

2007-09-06 Thread Robert Tara Ludwick
Nowadays everyone puts so much emphasis on airbags, that they seem to have forgot that airbags are, by definition , a supplemental restraint. Their primary reason for being is that so many people forget to or just don't use seatbelts, that the insurance companies figured that mandatory

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