Re: making OpenBSD 5.9 live system on USB key

2016-07-09 Thread Peter N. M. Hansteen
On 07/09/16 14:10, Matthias Apitz wrote: > Thanks, this did it fine. The system boots fine from the USB key, but I > do not see anything about the touchpad. As well X11 does not can use the > mouse. I can imagine that I have to load somehow the driver imt(4), or > even have to m

Re: making OpenBSD 5.9 live system on USB key

2016-07-09 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día Friday, July 08, 2016 a las 10:53:56AM -0400, Ted Unangst escribió: > Matthias Apitz wrote: > > I'd like to make some bootable USB key which contains an OpenBSD live > > system, if possible even with X11 included. > > > > Can someone please be so kind and p

Re: ipad as an USB disk

2016-07-08 Thread Peter N. M. Hansteen
On 07/08/16 16:47, Jan Stary wrote: > I am well aware that Apple does all they can to _not_ be compatible, > but is there a way to have this device connect as a regular USB disk? > It is not a regular USB connector, it's this flat thing. > http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTU5OVgxNjAw/z/4nkA

Re: ipad as an USB disk

2016-07-08 Thread Chris Bennett
I realize that this is not about an ipad, but I have a Lanix LT500 cell phone that will only connect directly to memory chip with some Windows software (3 kinds). I was pissed, have to remove chip from under battery. Then I was looking at options and I saw ftp server as an option. Weird. So I

Re: ipad as an USB disk

2016-07-08 Thread Ted Unangst
Jan Stary wrote: > What is your favorite way to get files > from an ipad onto an OpenBSD machine? webdav or dropbox

Re: ipad as an USB disk

2016-07-08 Thread ludovic coues
2016-07-08 16:47 GMT+02:00 Jan Stary : > This is how an iPad Mini 2 connect to my current/amd64 (full dmesg below): > > uhidev1 at uhub4 port 2 configuration 2 interface 2 "Apple Inc. iPad" rev > 2.00/4.04 addr 3 > uhidev1: iclass 3/0, 21 report ids > uhid0 at uhidev1 reportid 1:

Re: making OpenBSD 5.9 live system on USB key

2016-07-08 Thread Peter N. M. Hansteen
On 07/08/16 16:41, Matthias Apitz wrote: > I'd like to make some bootable USB key which contains an OpenBSD live > system, if possible even with X11 included. The short version is: Just run a regular install to the USB key. I'd probably start with dd-ing the install or miniroot f

Re: making OpenBSD 5.9 live system on USB key

2016-07-08 Thread Ted Unangst
Matthias Apitz wrote: > I'd like to make some bootable USB key which contains an OpenBSD live > system, if possible even with X11 included. > > Can someone please be so kind and point me to some guide about how to > make such live system? Just follow the regular install procedu

ipad as an USB disk

2016-07-08 Thread Jan Stary
that Apple does all they can to _not_ be compatible, but is there a way to have this device connect as a regular USB disk? It is not a regular USB connector, it's this flat thing. http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTU5OVgxNjAw/z/4nkAAOSwRLZT4e54/$_57.JPG What is your favorite way to get files from an

making OpenBSD 5.9 live system on USB key

2016-07-08 Thread Matthias Apitz
Hello, I'd like to make some bootable USB key which contains an OpenBSD live system, if possible even with X11 included. The background of the question is: I'm a long time FreeBSD user (since 1995) and run FreeBSD on all my laptops and netbooks. I own two Acer C720 netbooks (also known

Re: bluetooth audio -> usb dongle?

2016-06-15 Thread frantisek holop
ck search for "openbsd bluetooth audio usb" came up only with my question :] does anybody have some actual model numbers that are verified to work? -f -- i thank my lucky stars i'm not superstitious.

Re: bluetooth audio -> usb dongle?

2016-06-14 Thread Edgar Pettijohn
On 16-06-15 00:01:04, frantisek holop wrote: > i'd like to use a bluetooth wireless headphone with > openbsd. is this possible with some usb dongle? > > -f > -- > i am sick and tired of being sick and tired. > Someone answered a similiar question recently.

bluetooth audio -> usb dongle?

2016-06-14 Thread frantisek holop
i'd like to use a bluetooth wireless headphone with openbsd. is this possible with some usb dongle? -f -- i am sick and tired of being sick and tired.

what device for usb tablet to write to xorg.conf

2016-06-14 Thread Rudolf Sykora
t;--- Option "Mode" "Absolute" Option "Threshold" "10" EndSection when I see this (hopefully relevant) part of /var/log/messages: (I want to point to Tablet PTZ-930. I could not find any for-me-understandable description of the usb architecture...)

How to use an IrDA/USB bridge.

2016-05-29 Thread Justin Haynes
Misc - I have an ACTiSYS IR4000US-KD USB IrDA bridge which is actually Sigmatel inside. I would like to use this to transfer files to and from my Handspring Visor. My problem is that this IrDA/USB bridge device is only configured on a ugen device, while the birda utils are not able to attach

Re: Mount NTFS , Fat32 USB flash!

2016-05-18 Thread Raf Czlonka
On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 09:19:00AM BST, Mohammad BadieZadegan wrote: > Hi everybody, > I have a Patriot 32GB Flash USB and at first I formated it as FAT32 and it > detected in my university PC correctly but when I mounted it by these > commands it notified me: > > # mo

Mount NTFS , Fat32 USB flash!

2016-05-18 Thread Mohammad BadieZadegan
Hi everybody, I have a Patriot 32GB Flash USB and at first I formated it as FAT32 and it detected in my university PC correctly but when I mounted it by these commands it notified me: # mount /dev/sd1i /mnt mount_msdos: /dev/sd1i on /mnt: Inappropriate file type or format Then I reformated

Re: Creative USB Headset on 5.9

2016-05-06 Thread Jakob Gillich
On Fri, May 6, 2016, at 11:01 PM, joekiser wrote: > > Is this plugged into a USB 2 port? > > Joe No, it was plugged into a USB3 port, it works fine over USB 2! I assume that is a driver limitation? And any idea if it's possible to switch audio devices in xfce4-mixer? It still doe

Re: Creative USB Headset on 5.9

2016-05-06 Thread joekiser
On Fri, May 6, 2016, at 15:16, Jakob Gillich wrote: > I'm pretty new to OpenBSD in general, and recently installed 5.9. Now > I'm wondering if it's possible to get my USB headset working. According > to dmesg, a audio1 device gets created: > [snip] > > Does this mean

Creative USB Headset on 5.9

2016-05-06 Thread Jakob Gillich
I'm pretty new to OpenBSD in general, and recently installed 5.9. Now I'm wondering if it's possible to get my USB headset working. According to dmesg, a audio1 device gets created: uaudio0 at uhub0 port 4 configuration 1 interface 0 "Creative Technology Ltd. SB Tactic(3D) Wrath Wireless

Re: Apr 4th amd64 snapshot problems, various outcomes including panic with USB hardware, no panic but fails without

2016-04-12 Thread Chris Bennett
1 at ahci0: 32 targets cd0 at scsibus1 targ 3 lun 0: <LITE-ON, DVDRW LH-20A1L, BL06> ATAPI 5/cdrom removable ohci0 at pci0 dev 18 function 0 "ATI SB700 USB" rev 0x00: apic 4 int 16, version 1.0, legacy support ohci1 at pci0 dev 18 function 1 "ATI SB700 USB" rev 0x00: apic 4 int

Re: Apr 4th amd64 snapshot problems, various outcomes including panic with USB hardware, no panic but fails without

2016-04-12 Thread Chris Bennett
11C (0x3c00), msi, address 00:e0:4d:c6:d6:72 rgephy0 at re0 phy 7: RTL8169S/8110S/8211 PHY, rev. 2 ahci0 at pci0 dev 17 function 0 "ATI SBx00 SATA" rev 0x00: apic 4 int 22, AHCI 1.1 ahci0: port 3: 1.5Gb/s scsibus1 at ahci0: 32 targets cd0 at scsibus1 targ 3 lun 0: <LITE-ON, DVDRW L

Re: Apr 4th amd64 snapshot problems, various outcomes including panic with USB hardware, no panic but fails without

2016-04-12 Thread Chris Bennett
en I have a problem. It was working on the snap before this one or the one right before that. But I can't be sure. After doing a fresh install on top, There just aren't the dates or files anymore to be sure. Best I can offer is to do as many builds as are necessary to find problem. The usb stick d

Re: Apr 4th amd64 snapshot problems, various outcomes including panic with USB hardware, no panic but fails without

2016-04-12 Thread Philip Guenther
On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 12:52 PM, Chris Bennett wrote: > I bring this up late, but I was out of town with i386 laptop. > > I have a Sandisk 32G USB3 compatible flash. > I have been running snaps for a good while with no problems at all. > I am also running a

Re: Apr 4th amd64 snapshot problems, various outcomes including panic with USB hardware, no panic but fails without

2016-04-12 Thread Chris Bennett
I put pictures of what I could get from ddb at: www.bennettconstruction.us/our_house/ Chris Bennett

Re: Apr 4th amd64 snapshot problems, various outcomes including panic with USB hardware, no panic but fails without

2016-04-12 Thread Chris Bennett
On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 02:52:38PM -0500, Chris Bennett wrote: > Once I upgraded to this snap, I got a panic right after booting showed a > problem with usb6 and it being disabled. Re-updated snap, not fixed. > Sorry, right after delaying on usb6, said uhub1 was disabled Chris

Apr 4th amd64 snapshot problems, various outcomes including panic with USB hardware, no panic but fails without

2016-04-12 Thread Chris Bennett
settings for USB, legacy support, usb 2 high-speed or slower, EHCI handoff. Could only stop booting from drive, no other changes. Legacy support on auto said that it only turned on if usb devices attached. This gave me the idea to remove all other usb and use ps/2 keyboard. No panic but stopped at boot

USB problem

2016-04-07 Thread Liviu Daia
I have an APU1.C router monitoring an UPS through an USB cable. Today I upgraded the UPS to a different model, and the router can't see it: uhub3: port 5, set config 0 at addr 2 failed uhub3: device problem, disabling port 5 (full dmesg below). The USB port on the router and the cable

Re: Supermicro X11SSL-F freezes probing USB 3

2016-03-31 Thread Raul Miller
On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 2:14 AM, Paul B. Henson wrote: > Eeew. We've got some HP gear that requires an extra cost license to make > the remote kvm gui head work past the bootloader which is ridiculous > (but technically, I don't think remote kvm is part of the base IPMI >

Re: Supermicro X11SSL-F freezes probing USB 3

2016-03-31 Thread Paul B. Henson
now that 5.9 is out (a month early, nice, just in time for my new box) one of the devs will have time to take a look at the skylake usb 3 issues.

Re: Supermicro X11SSL-F freezes probing USB 3

2016-03-31 Thread Paul B. Henson
On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 10:46:15PM -0400, Sonic wrote: > The IPMI is part of Dell's iDRAC stuff and the only thing I've found [...] > may be the iDRAC license level as well, anything above the "basic" > level, providing a limited feature set, requires purchasing a license Eeew. We've got some HP

Re: Supermicro X11SSL-F freezes probing USB 3

2016-03-30 Thread Sonic
On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 5:55 PM, Stuart Henderson wrote: > Make sure it's set to stop redirecting after boot in BIOS, then when > you hit the boot-loader, you should be able to 'stty com0 ' and > 'set tty com0'. Ahha! Who would have thought... com0 was the ticket. Thanks

Re: Supermicro X11SSL-F freezes probing USB 3

2016-03-29 Thread Sonic
On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 9:13 PM, Paul B. Henson wrote: > Hmm, that sounds broken. Are you sure you've got the right serial port > and baud rate? Once you switch the boot loader to serial, it's no longer > a matter of "forwarding", it's direct serial access as far as the >

Re: Supermicro X11SSL-F freezes probing USB 3

2016-03-29 Thread Paul B. Henson
On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 07:06:41PM -0400, Sonic wrote: > On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 6:15 PM, Paul B. Henson wrote: > > stty com1 115200 > > set tty com1 > > Yes, tried that with no luck, SOL still stops forwarding. The box does Hmm, that sounds broken. Are you sure you've got the

Re: Supermicro X11SSL-F freezes probing USB 3

2016-03-29 Thread Sonic
On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 6:15 PM, Paul B. Henson <hen...@acm.org> wrote: > stty com1 115200 > set tty com1 Yes, tried that with no luck, SOL still stops forwarding. The box does have a physical serial port, so I ordered a serial to USB adapter cable (don't have any other systems left

Re: Supermicro X11SSL-F freezes probing USB 3

2016-03-29 Thread Paul B. Henson
On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 04:55:05PM -0400, Sonic wrote: > Unfortunately that option isn't available for me. The IPMI SOL on this > Dell stops forwarding the console once the system boots. The usb keyboard should still work when the bootloader is running, that's being handled by the BIOS. Yo

Re: Supermicro X11SSL-F freezes probing USB 3

2016-03-29 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2016-03-29, Sonic wrote: > On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 9:48 PM, Paul B. Henson wrote: >> I'm installing via an IPMI virtual serial port so the lack >> of keyboard isn't really an issue for me, > > Unfortunately that option isn't available for me. The IPMI SOL

Re: Supermicro X11SSL-F freezes probing USB 3

2016-03-29 Thread Sonic
On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 9:48 PM, Paul B. Henson wrote: > I'm installing via an IPMI virtual serial port so the lack > of keyboard isn't really an issue for me, Unfortunately that option isn't available for me. The IPMI SOL on this Dell stops forwarding the console once the system

Re: Supermicro X11SSL-F freezes probing USB 3

2016-03-29 Thread Sonic
didn't time it. I had given up earlier on previous attempts and then started to research the issue assuming the system would stay "frozen" and when I turned around it had booted. However the keyboard was dead so the install could not continue. > So it > eventually boots without di

Re: Supermicro X11SSL-F freezes probing USB 3

2016-03-28 Thread Paul B. Henson
fter about 15-20 minutes. So it eventually boots without disabling xhci, but the USB doesn't work in the end anyway? I'm installing via an IPMI virtual serial port so the lack of keyboard isn't really an issue for me, I can live without USB but as the box won't be going live for a few weeks I though

Re: Supermicro X11SSL-F freezes probing USB 3

2016-03-28 Thread Sonic
On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 2:36 PM, Sonic wrote: > Exact same problem here with a Dell PowerEdge R230 and snapshot > downloaded today. If I wait long enough the install will finally finish booting but the keyboard (no ps2 ports) doesn't work. Disabling xhci via UKC on boot

Re: Supermicro X11SSL-F freezes probing USB 3

2016-03-28 Thread Sonic
On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 12:48 AM, Paul B. Henson <hen...@acm.org> wrote: >>>> xhci probe won > xhci0 at pci0 dev 20 function 0 "Intel 100 Series xHCI" rev 0x31: msi >>>> probing for usb* >>>> usb probe returned 1 >>>> usb probe won

USB: panic: uvm_fault(0xd6bfac8c, 0x4e000, 0, 1)

2016-03-13 Thread Claus Assmann
On Sat, Mar 12, 2016, Claus Assmann wrote: > I have this USB ANT+ stick > "Dynastream Innovations ANT USBStick2" rev 2.00/1.00 addr 2 I updated that laptop to the 2016-03-10 i386 snapshot and got it to "work", i.e., the data was read for about 40m then the system cr

Supermicro X11SSL-F freezes probing USB 3

2016-03-07 Thread Paul B. Henson
I just put together a new server with a Supermicro X11SSL-F motherboard and a Xeon E3-1240L v5 processor, and was trying to install openbsd 5.8 on it. The install cd freezes while booting after it probes the USB 3 devices: >>> xhci probe won xhci0 at pci0 dev 20 function 0 "Intel 1

Re: Accessing USB with OpenBSD 5.7/amd64

2016-02-15 Thread Neil Hughes
.HP vs. Compaq). About 18 months after my post, when I needed USB access via OpenBSD on this box, I just bought a £6 Konig PCI card off Amazon (NEC chipset, as suggested). -- Neil Hughes

Re: Accessing USB with OpenBSD 5.7/amd64

2016-02-13 Thread jla
Hi Richard Same issue for me. Did you get any answer? Regards Jean-Louis

USB device descriptor access bug (?)

2016-02-13 Thread Dave Vandervies
On an amd64 5.8-release system running under VMWare, with the virtual USB controller configured as USB 2.0, I'm seeing a problem getting device descriptor strings off of USB devices (or, at least, the one that I care about). With the virtual USB configured to support USB 3.0, the problem goes away

Re: USB mouse detached when moving wheel fast

2016-01-13 Thread Marko Cupać
e mouse is not recognized again. > > I observed this behaviour with OpenBSD 4.8 and OpenBSD 5.8 > in different machines, as also with FreeBSD. > > I have little experience with USB mouses and use till today > a PS/2 mouse: the wheel is with PS/2 very responsive independent > of the s

USB mouse detached when moving wheel fast

2016-01-13 Thread Roderich
ons, Z dir wsmouse0 at ums0 mux 0 << This affects negatively the responsiveness of the mouse. It may also happen, that the mouse is not recognized again. I observed this behaviour with OpenBSD 4.8 and OpenBSD 5.8 in different machines, as also with FreeBSD. I have little experience with US

Unable to umount a USB drive without -f

2016-01-06 Thread LÉVAI Dániel
Hi! I'm having this strange issue with a mounted USB drive. This is the device: umass0 at uhub0 port 8 configuration 1 interface 0 "StoreJet TS512GESD400K" rev 2.10/10.00 addr 2 umass0: using SCSI over Bulk-Only scsibus2 at umass0: 2 targets, initiator 0 sd2 at scsibus2 targ 1 lun 0:

Re: No USB 3.0 on 5.8 -current Broadwell

2015-12-16 Thread Stefan Sperling
On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 03:10:57PM +, Mark Carroll wrote: > On 20 Nov 2015, edward wandasiewicz wrote: > > > If I try to plug in various USB 3.0 umass(4) devices into a USB 3.0 or > > USB 3.1 Type C port, nothing gets registered via dmesg, even if I add > > > &g

Re: No USB 3.0 on 5.8 -current Broadwell

2015-12-16 Thread Mark Carroll
On 20 Nov 2015, edward wandasiewicz wrote: > If I try to plug in various USB 3.0 umass(4) devices into a USB 3.0 or > USB 3.1 Type C port, nothing gets registered via dmesg, even if I add > > option USB_DEBUG > option UMASS_DEBUG > option XHCI_DEBUG > > and compile a kern

Re: No USB 3.0 on 5.8 -current Broadwell

2015-12-16 Thread edward wandasiewicz
Update to 5.8 -current. It now works. See 1.65 of http://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/sys/dev/usb/xhci.c?sortby=date Edward On 16 Dec 2015 3:14 p.m., "Mark Carroll" <m...@ixod.org> wrote: > On 20 Nov 2015, edward wandasiewicz wrote: > > > If I try to plu

Re: USB external floppy

2015-12-14 Thread Bryan Everly
t; I'm wanting to create a boot floppy for a Vaxstation. Could someone >> recommend a USB floppy that I could plug into my amd64 laptop that would >> allow me to create a boot floppy for a VAX? > > Are you trying to write an OpenBSD/VAX boot floppy to a common 1.44 MB > 3.5" di

Re: USB external floppy

2015-12-14 Thread Bryan C. Everly
to create a boot floppy for a Vaxstation. Could someone > > recommend a USB floppy that I could plug into my amd64 laptop that would > > allow me to create a boot floppy for a VAX? > > > > Thanks, > > Bryan > > Hi. > > I don't know anything about VAXes, but I

Re: USB external floppy

2015-12-14 Thread Tati Chevron
On Sun, Dec 13, 2015 at 06:11:07PM -0500, Bryan C. Everly wrote: I'm wanting to create a boot floppy for a Vaxstation. Could someone recommend a USB floppy that I could plug into my amd64 laptop that would allow me to create a boot floppy for a VAX? Are you trying to write an OpenBSD/VAX boot

USB external floppy

2015-12-13 Thread Bryan C. Everly
Hi, I'm wanting to create a boot floppy for a Vaxstation. Could someone recommend a USB floppy that I could plug into my amd64 laptop that would allow me to create a boot floppy for a VAX? Thanks, Bryan

Re: USB external floppy

2015-12-13 Thread Andre Smagin
On Sun, 13 Dec 2015 18:11:07 -0500 "Bryan C. Everly" <br...@bceassociates.com> wrote: > Hi, > > I'm wanting to create a boot floppy for a Vaxstation. Could someone > recommend a USB floppy that I could plug into my amd64 laptop that would > allow me to

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

2015-12-04 Thread Gareth Nelson
I don't see any issue with a company wanting custom work done on the project as long as it doesn't contradict the goals of the project. For example, a company might want to pay more to improve particular hardware drivers, is that really a problem? Consulting could be a good way to raise funds

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

2015-12-04 Thread Ted Unangst
Gareth Nelson wrote: > I don't see any issue with a company wanting custom work done on the > project as long as it doesn't contradict the goals of the project. > > For example, a company might want to pay more to improve particular > hardware drivers, is that really a problem? > > Consulting

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

2015-12-04 Thread Christoph R. Murauer
> I don't see any issue with a company wanting custom work done on the > project as long as it doesn't contradict the goals of the project. > > For example, a company might want to pay more to improve particular > hardware drivers, is that really a problem? > > Consulting could be a good way to

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

2015-12-04 Thread Theo de Raadt
> Consulting could be a good way to raise funds for the project while also > encouraging usage. Obviously all the developers should add additional consulting gigs on the side, to improve freeload. Unfortunately our software to add additional hours to the day isn't finished yet, because most of

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

2015-12-03 Thread Christoph R. Murauer
> How about a series of 'Corporate' CDs, with a sliding scale of prices, > incrementing on a traditional per user/account/cpu/etc basis? > > Management & purchasing people are accustomed to this. [ ... ] I (only my personal opinion) think this contradicts with the main goal (Free) of the

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

2015-12-03 Thread Craig Skinner
On 2015-12-01 Tue 22:08 PM |, Marko Cupa?? wrote: > > But I work for a company whose networking relies heavily on > OpenBSD. My boss, although not from FOSS world, understands the value > of good software, so I managed to persuade him to approve purchase of > CD set every release. He also

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

2015-12-02 Thread Richard Thornton
: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set? > But if we lose the project leader due to lack of exercise and food, > that's not good for the project. You made it very clear in a previous > message to this thread that no Foundation money comes to you. So while > the Foundation

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

2015-12-02 Thread Theo de Raadt
> But if we lose the project leader due to lack of exercise and food, > that's not good for the project. You made it very clear in a previous > message to this thread that no Foundation money comes to you. So while > the Foundation may be doing good things with their money, we, the > community,

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

2015-12-02 Thread Donald Allen
On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 11:11 AM, Theo de Raadt wrote: >> But if we lose the project leader due to lack of exercise and food, >> that's not good for the project. You made it very clear in a previous >> message to this thread that no Foundation money comes to you. So while

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

2015-12-02 Thread Theo de Raadt
> I have no clue what a hackathon costs, any ballpark averages? http://www.openbsdfoundation.org/financials/2014/IncomeStatement2014.txt http://www.openbsdfoundation.org/financials/2013/IncomeStatement2013.txt These reports can be compared against http://www.openbsd.org/hackathons.html to find

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

2015-12-02 Thread justin
On 2015-12-02 16:21, Theo de Raadt wrote: I have no clue what a hackathon costs, any ballpark averages? http://www.openbsdfoundation.org/financials/2014/IncomeStatement2014.txt http://www.openbsdfoundation.org/financials/2013/IncomeStatement2013.txt These reports can be compared against

getting money to deraadt@ [Was: Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?]

2015-12-02 Thread Marcus MERIGHI
dera...@openbsd.org (Theo de Raadt), 2015.12.02 (Wed) 02:18 (CET): > >I don't think that quite covers it. Those of us who have the choice > >can send checks or Paypal money directly to Theo, as described on the > >Donations page. I think checks are preferable, because they eliminate > >Paypal

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

2015-12-02 Thread Romain FABBRI
1 décembre 2015 21:41 À : Theo de Raadt <dera...@cvs.openbsd.org> Cc : Kevin Chadwick <m8il1i...@gmail.com>; OpenBSD <misc@openbsd.org>; fundrais...@openbsdfoundation.org Objet : Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set? Just one more thing: for non-developers, if you th

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

2015-12-02 Thread Donald Allen
On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 8:18 PM, Theo de Raadt wrote: >>"All I can do is buy the CD's and give some $ to the >>foundation. Any other suggestion is not productive." >> >>I don't think that quite covers it. Those of us who have the choice >>can send checks or Paypal money

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

2015-12-01 Thread Marko Cupać
Personally, I don't have the resources to contribute any amount of money. Unix admin's job here in Serbia is paid in high 4 figures :) Yearly, that's right. But I work for a company whose networking relies heavily on OpenBSD. My boss, although not from FOSS world, understands the value of good

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

2015-12-01 Thread Adam Wolk
On Tue, 1 Dec 2015 18:41:24 -0200 Michel Behr wrote: > Just one more thing: for non-developers, if you think there's any > sense in this idea I just described, please, some "seconding" and/or > additions would be welcomed. Also some e-mails directed to >

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

2015-12-01 Thread Donald Allen
"All I can do is buy the CD's and give some $ to the foundation. Any other suggestion is not productive." I don't think that quite covers it. Those of us who have the choice can send checks or Paypal money directly to Theo, as described on the Donations page. I think checks are preferable,

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

2015-12-01 Thread Michel Behr
As I understand, one of the reasons for the Foundation to avoid targeted contributions is to preserve the independence of the project - in the current model they are accountable for allocating the resources as they see fit. So IMHO there is value in that model for that regard. On the other hand,

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

2015-12-01 Thread Michel Behr
Just one more thing: for non-developers, if you think there's any sense in this idea I just described, please, some "seconding" and/or additions would be welcomed. Also some e-mails directed to fundrais...@openbsdfoundation.org would be great in this regard too. (Again: OpenBSD developers should

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

2015-12-01 Thread Theo de Raadt
>"All I can do is buy the CD's and give some $ to the >foundation. Any other suggestion is not productive." > >I don't think that quite covers it. Those of us who have the choice >can send checks or Paypal money directly to Theo, as described on the >Donations page. I think checks are preferable,

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

2015-12-01 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> > Now to be clear Theo, are donation via the paypal on the donations page > > are directly to you and you can do as you see fit, and/or only checks > > would be best? > > Correct, as I see fit. I try to use it for the Project for things the > Foundation doesn't fund. I declared it that way

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

2015-12-01 Thread Theo de Raadt
> > > Now to be clear Theo, are donation via the paypal on the donations page > > > are directly to you and you can do as you see fit, and/or only checks > > > would be best? > > > > Correct, as I see fit. I try to use it for the Project for things the > > Foundation doesn't fund. I declared

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

2015-12-01 Thread Gareth Nelson
? As to the original topic, there are companies out there that will do USB sticks, but it's probably simpler for end users to just download the installer and stick it on a stick themselves. On 1 Dec 2015 4:05 am, "Theo de Raadt" <dera...@cvs.openbsd.org> wrote: > > The good news

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

2015-12-01 Thread Theo de Raadt
> Theo: like others in this thread I find it quite shocking and disappointing > how poorly you are doing financially from your hard work. Join the club :) > I apologise if this is too obvious a suggestion but if the foundation is > making a sufficient income is it not possible for you to draw a

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

2015-12-01 Thread Peter J. Philipp
On 12/01/15 10:20, Anthony Campbell wrote: > On 30 Nov 2015, Bryan Vyhmeister wrote: >> Let's not waste any more of Theo's time. USB sticks are not the magic >> device that some seem to think. Some are not very reliable and prone to >> failure. I've had very mixed results w

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

2015-12-01 Thread Anthony Campbell
On 30 Nov 2015, Bryan Vyhmeister wrote: > Let's not waste any more of Theo's time. USB sticks are not the magic > device that some seem to think. Some are not very reliable and prone to > failure. I've had very mixed results with budget USB sticks in > particular. Going with a more e

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

2015-11-30 Thread Tati Chevron
On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 08:31:54PM +, Stuart Henderson wrote: On 2015-11-30, Tati Chevron <chev...@swabsit.com> wrote: in my case, a USB stick would be actually useful for installing machines -- unlike the CD sets (I haven't had a working optical drive in the last 5+ years). Any

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

2015-11-30 Thread Theo de Raadt
> Software development. :D > > More importantly, what can users do to make it easier for developers to > write code? That is the important question to ask when a thought like this > comes up. Is it more efficient of developer time for me to purchase my own > usb stick and d

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

2015-11-30 Thread Giancarlo Razzolini
Em 30-11-2015 19:34, Theo de Raadt escreveu: > These days the CD revenue is about what a cashier at a store makes. This is truly sad, to not say tragical. > > It seems to keep shrinking, but I will try to keep doing it unless it > nears zero; at which point the artwork will stop also. > > I'm

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

2015-11-30 Thread Petr Ročkai
Theo de Raadt <dera...@cvs.openbsd.org> writes: > I don't know, but I'll think about it later, because I am busy. > I am spending my day making a non-writeable USB stick for the OP. That's nice. Although a simple 'no' would have sufficed of course. I have been told that buying CD se

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

2015-11-30 Thread Theo de Raadt
> >>(Making them unconditionally read-only would be probably a good thing, > >>too.) > > > > This, too, I see a value in. > > And who is going to trust this? There's a significantly higher bar > to invisibly tampering with a pressed and printed CD tha

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

2015-11-30 Thread Giancarlo Razzolini
Em 30-11-2015 19:03, Tati Chevron escreveu: > Again, the original idea wasn't mine. I commented on the thread, but in > my mind, I imagined receiving the install source on a medium that had the > same bar to tampering as a CD, such as masked rom. I wasn't thinking of > a standa

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

2015-11-30 Thread Theo de Raadt
> >> I would buy an official release on USB or preferably sd card, if it > >> was on offer. Presumably the production costs would be less as well. > > > >Cloning CDs from a master is something that can be farmed out > >relatively easily. Writing an image to USB

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

2015-11-30 Thread Theo de Raadt
> Em 30-11-2015 19:03, Tati Chevron escreveu: > > Again, the original idea wasn't mine. I commented on the thread, but in > > my mind, I imagined receiving the install source on a medium that had the > > same bar to tampering as a CD, such as masked rom. I wasn't thinking

A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

2015-11-30 Thread Petr Ročkai
Hi, in my case, a USB stick would be actually useful for installing machines -- unlike the CD sets (I haven't had a working optical drive in the last 5+ years). Any chance for 5.9? (Making them unconditionally read-only would be probably a good thing, too.) M. -- id' Ash = Ash; id' Dust = Dust

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

2015-11-30 Thread Devin Reade
I suspect the answer is that this falls into the category of too expensive/distracting to bother, based on the overall benefit. I find that having a DVD reader/writer in an external USB-connected enclosure works well for optical-diskless machines. Devin

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

2015-11-30 Thread Tati Chevron
in my case, a USB stick would be actually useful for installing machines -- unlike the CD sets (I haven't had a working optical drive in the last 5+ years). Any chance for 5.9? I would buy an official release on USB or preferably sd card, if it was on offer. Presumably the production costs

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

2015-11-30 Thread Theo de Raadt
> I would buy an official release on USB or preferably sd card, if it > was on offer. Presumably the production costs would be less as well. ^ How do you figure that? We put everything on the internet. Thousand

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

2015-11-30 Thread J Sisson
Software development. :D More importantly, what can users do to make it easier for developers to write code? That is the important question to ask when a thought like this comes up. Is it more efficient of developer time for me to purchase my own usb stick and deal with it myself, or request

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

2015-11-30 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2015-11-30, Tati Chevron <chev...@swabsit.com> wrote: >>in my case, a USB stick would be actually useful for installing machines >>-- unlike the CD sets (I haven't had a working optical drive in the last >>5+ years). Any chance for 5.9? > > I would buy an officia

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

2015-11-30 Thread Daniel Ouellet
On 11/30/15 8:43 PM, Theo de Raadt wrote: >> On Nov 30, 2015, at 2:34 PM, Theo de Raadt wrote: >>> >>> These days the CD revenue is about what a cashier at a store makes. > > Uncertain of the veracity of this site, > >

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

2015-11-30 Thread Christoph R. Murauer
CD, such as masked rom. I wasn't >> thinking of >> > a standard USB flash device with a glued write-protect switch. My >> > original >> > post was a mixture of various thoughts that shouldn't really have >> been >> > posted >> > without furth

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