On Thu, Mar 23, 2006 at 12:00:56PM -0700, Theo de Raadt wrote:
There are very good reasons for not becoming a non-profit. Accounting
wise it would NOT help the project. Non-profits with such a small
amount of money are severely limited in what they can do. This
question has been answered at
On Fri, 2006-03-24 at 10:16 +0100, Toni Mueller wrote:
Try
to name at least one incentive for Alberta to fund a project where the
financial benefits will largely be reaped outside of Alberta.
For a lot of people, OpenBSD has put Alberta on the map...
Cheers
Steffen.
Hi,
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Roger Neth Jr wrote:
On 3/28/06, Daniel Walrond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, Mar 23, 2006 at 03:09:08PM +0100, frantisek holop wrote:
[...]
unfortunately there is no real community around openbsd. at least
i dont see one -- one where there are people without cvs commit.
if you
in technological research so that it will be in a good position
when oil money begins to dwindle. OpenBSD could surely qualify as a
research organization without too much trouble, at which point you'd be
eligible for substantial provincial funding.
I recognize that government grants come with red
On 3/28/06, Daniel Walrond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, Mar 23, 2006 at 03:09:08PM +0100, frantisek holop wrote:
twice a year (or maybe more) when it comes to money issues, Theo and
the devs ask for donations, cd purchases. at the same time, people
are every once in a while reminded
* Tobias Kirschstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-03-25 20:26]:
Maybe our friends of humppa.com will make a Humppa OpenBSD Support
Tour 2006 or add them to the 11 OpenBSD songs.
... as you mention it: an (maybe more funny) idea would be some benefit
humppa concerts with e.g. Elaekelaeiset where
Hello!
On Fri, Mar 24, 2006 at 10:35:05AM -0700, Spruell, Darren-Perot wrote:
And a quick Google search reveals that this is a.) a dead horse, b.) already
in place:
http://mailman.theapt.org/listinfo/openbsd-newbies
This should be referred to from http://www.openbsd.org/mail.html
Wouldn't it be interesting to sell OpenSSH CD. I read the thread and
people are always talking about OpenBSD CD but It might be interesting
to sell OpenSSH CD (including sources, documentation and pre-builded
binaries for most popular platforms). I think the audiance is more
important.
I have
On 2006-03-27 14:49:52 +0200, Hannah Schroeter wrote:
On Fri, Mar 24, 2006 at 10:35:05AM -0700, Spruell, Darren-Perot wrote:
And a quick Google search reveals that this is a.) a dead horse, b.) already
in place:
http://mailman.theapt.org/listinfo/openbsd-newbies
This should be referred to
...on Sat, Mar 25, 2006 at 08:25:32AM +0100, Jurjen Oskam wrote:
There is no reason to provide funding from a business standpoint. What
does
the business gain?
Does having a business standpoint require shutting off all common sense?
In todays world: Mostly. Modern businesses have
I think I've got the solution, at last.
We'll set up a webpage where people can submit all their excellent, wacky,
off-the-wall, and tired ideas and suggestions for raising money ... and each
submission will cost the submitter a pittance, only a couple of hundred
dollars. Part of that will pay
thus Stefan Olsson spake:
From: Alexander Bochmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 2:29 PM
My guess is that especially (US-based) public companies don't want to
be seen associated with OpenBSD (by donating, for example), as they
fear damage to their business reputation from
thus Timo Schoeler spake:
thus Stefan Olsson spake:
From: Alexander Bochmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 2:29 PM
My guess is that especially (US-based) public companies don't want to
be seen associated with OpenBSD (by donating, for example), as they
fear damage to their
-- Original message --
From: Rob [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I think I've got the solution, at last.
We'll set up a webpage where people can submit all their excellent, wacky,
off-the-wall, and tired ideas and suggestions for raising money ... and each
submission will
probably not be good
in any other country than Canada.
Instead OpenBSD should ask for advertising money.
Advertising is a valid expense for every company
in every country. For the company's money,
OpenBSD could give either banner add or just a
page listing advertisers.
In some cases countries only
Understand that OpenBSD does not want to become incorporated,
because of the overheads involved, but I don't understand
why Theo de Raadt does not apply for a trade name
http://governmentservices.gov.ab.ca/cr/reg_bus_name.cfm
Trade names cost $10cdn. With a trade name you can
open a bank account
On Mon, Mar 27, 2006 at 12:56:14PM -0500, Peter Fraser wrote:
In that case, OpenBSD should not ask for donations
from business since it can not give a tax receipt,
[...]
I'm quite sure that, would the big players see the benefits giving
monetary support to OpenBSD, they would contact Theo and
On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 13:50:04 +0200
Henning Brauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
* Tobias Kirschstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-03-25 20:26]:
Maybe our friends of humppa.com will make a Humppa OpenBSD
Support Tour 2006 or add them to the 11 OpenBSD songs.
... as you mention it: an (maybe more
On Mon, Mar 27, 2006 at 09:57:25PM +0200, Tobias Kirschstein wrote:
On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 13:50:04 +0200
Henning Brauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
* Tobias Kirschstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-03-25 20:26]:
Maybe our friends of humppa.com will make a Humppa OpenBSD
Support Tour 2006 or add
Hi,
...
It would be lot easier for a business to write a check
to OpenBSD then to Theo de Raadt.
look, it's really not about making it easier for some big few letter
companies. If they would have been interested to donate they would've
done it. Making it easier might give some more money from
Understand that OpenBSD does not want to become incorporated,
because of the overheads involved, but I don't understand
why Theo de Raadt does not apply for a trade name
http://governmentservices.gov.ab.ca/cr/reg_bus_name.cfm
Trade names cost $10cdn. With a trade name you can
open a bank account
Hi,
On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 19:44:32 +0100
Oliver Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The songs are great - but like open{bsd,ssh} already at the public ftp
servers. I don't think that there will be so many dudes who will pay
for 9 old and only 2 new songs about 20-30 USD - even the artwork is
great
On Fri, 2006-03-24 at 16:38:55 -0700, Theo de Raadt proclaimed...
Jason, get real -- everyone is entitled to you doing work for free.
We do it. You must do it.
Everyone else on this mailing list works for free, didn't you know
that?
Communism is a great idea when all the slaves are
On Mar 25, 2006, at 6:19 PM, eric wrote:
On Fri, 2006-03-24 at 16:38:55 -0700, Theo de Raadt proclaimed...
Jason, get real -- everyone is entitled to you doing work for free.
We do it. You must do it.
Everyone else on this mailing list works for free, didn't you know
that?
Communism is a
hmm, on Thu, Mar 23, 2006 at 08:13:44PM +0100, frantisek holop said that
hmm, on Thu, Mar 23, 2006 at 11:23:02AM -0700, Theo de Raadt said that
it would be interesting to know about how MUCH money donated
to the openbsd project you all are REALLY talking here...
Sad, eh. 350 donation
I think, if we skip all the whinning, the one straight question from
Frantisek Holop which is not yet clarified is why devs makes so
cantradictory statements: we do code FOR OURSELVES, AND if you like it, you
are free to use it and we THANK you with code (e.g. 'we code FOR YOU
instead of giving
Hello,
On Thu, 23.03.2006 at 16:26:04 -0500, Peter Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
To get money from the government you have to work with
professionals consultants. The good ones are expensive,
but they do work on a contingency basis.
I don't agree, generally. This whole idea seems
quote from the openbsd and the money -solutions:
[quote]
I offer to do the administration.
Who the fuck are you? Nobody, that's who.
[/quote]
Usual stuff on [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Even if one does not agree with the suggestion, is that a way of
replying? The only thing it does is frustrate people
On 03/24/06 04:17, Theo de Raadt wrote:
http://www.digg.com/linux_unix/OpenBSD_needs_a_major_donor
http://bsd.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/03/21/1555243
..
These donations from individuals are really great. The community is
great. Thanks a lot.
But we know this is the wrong way to fund
Please, stop wanting companies to support you. It doesn't work that
way. To develop an OS under a licence like the ISC has a big hole:
funding. You can't just go: Hey, you use the implementation that I
develop and give away for free, you should pay me!. If the pay you,
OK, if the don't, well,
On 2006-03-24 12:10:37 +0100, chefren wrote:
This is whining and it isn't very sure because you have no idea what
alternatives for the free OpenSSH product would have cost.
They can happily use lsh.
Best
Martin
--
http://www.tm.oneiros.de
On Fri, Mar 24, 2006 at 08:40:59AM -0300, Andr?s Delfino wrote:
Please, stop wanting companies to support you. It doesn't work that
way. To develop an OS under a licence like the ISC has a big hole:
funding. You can't just go: Hey, you use the implementation that I
develop and give away for
It was the unique Unix-like OS with that licence. Right now, there are
tons of other systems. Companies want to invest in Linux-based
systems, because of marketing.
On 3/24/06, mickey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, Mar 24, 2006 at 08:40:59AM -0300, Andr?s Delfino wrote:
Please, stop wanting
Hi!
On Thu, Mar 23, 2006 at 01:55:29PM -0500, Michael Hernandez wrote:
I noticed that donations to OpenBSD are not US tax deductible as
charitable contribution.
I don't actually understand what that whining about tax deduction is
about.
If tax deduction means, for example, that you get 25% of
On Fri, 24 Mar 2006, chefren wrote:
Demand something like $50 a year for access to the ftp.openbsd.org now!!!
You are suggesting that we screw the people who have contributed by far
the most to OpenBSD and OpenSSH, individual users and small organisations.
Not a very bright idea.
-d
On Fri, 24 Mar 2006, Andris Delfino wrote:
Please, stop wanting companies to support you. It doesn't work that
way. To develop an OS under a licence like the ISC has a big hole:
funding. You can't just go: Hey, you use the implementation that I
develop and give away for free, you should pay
As I have said before, BSD was the unique Unix-like operative system
with a ISC-style license. That's why, IMHO, companies invested in it.
On 3/24/06, Damien Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 24 Mar 2006, Andris Delfino wrote:
Please, stop wanting companies to support you. It doesn't
On Fri, Mar 24, 2006 at 09:36:01AM -0300, Andr?s Delfino wrote:
It was the unique Unix-like OS with that licence. Right now, there are
tons of other systems. Companies want to invest in Linux-based
systems, because of marketing.
what are you smoking dude?
what unique?
there was not att unix
Ryan Flannery [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I really hate prolonging this thread, but I'm curious about the
following... I've done quite bit of contract work around my area, and
in most cases I've been able to implement OpenBSD for something.
Whenever that's happened, I've always pushed for the
On 03/24/06 13:54, Damien Miller wrote:
On Fri, 24 Mar 2006, chefren wrote:
Demand something like $50 a year for access to the ftp.openbsd.org now!!!
You are suggesting that we screw the people who have contributed by far
the most to OpenBSD and OpenSSH, individual users and small
...on Thu, Mar 23, 2006 at 02:20:08PM -0500, Peter Fraser wrote:
I recognize that government grants come with red-tape, and people are
often disdainful of taking hand-outs. In this case, however, I'd
think the pros outweigh the cons. Don't you have a wish-list of things
you'd implement
On Fri, Mar 24, 2006 at 10:10:36AM -0300, Andr?s Delfino wrote:
As I have said before, BSD was the unique Unix-like operative system
with a ISC-style license. That's why, IMHO, companies invested in it.
they supported it because they used it for their own product.
so what has changed in 'em
...on Fri, Mar 24, 2006 at 01:42:48PM +0100, Hannah Schroeter wrote:
I don't actually understand what that whining about tax deduction is
about.
My guess is that it's not about the tax deduction in
itself (although that certainly helps), it's about
the receipt.
Companies very much like to
On Fri, 24 Mar 2006, mickey wrote:
SNAP
sorry dude but you are full of shit.
for example from history:
how do you think bsd was developped originally at the ucb?
cu
--
paranoic mickey (my employers have changed but, the name has
remained)
Lot's of money flowing from the US
...on Fri, Mar 24, 2006 at 02:52:55PM +0100, Alexander Bochmann wrote:
So it's probably easier to get a company
to order a few hundred CDs instead of a donation.
By the way, the golden CD signed by all core
developers for $9000 might just be the thing
to add to the store. :)
Alex.
Don't do that, that is extortion. If you don't want to make OpenBSD
free-as-in-freedom, but not free-as-in-beer; well, there is another
thing that might help. Companies will only donate if they gain
something, not just code, I'm talking about money.
I'm not a legal guy, but: isn't there a way to
On Fri, Mar 24, 2006 at 06:43:27AM -0700, Diana Eichert wrote:
On Fri, 24 Mar 2006, mickey wrote:
SNAP
sorry dude but you are full of shit.
for example from history:
how do you think bsd was developped originally at the ucb?
cu
--
paranoic mickey (my employers have
--- Deanna Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That said, I think a wall of shame page on the OpenSSH site
might be a good idea: one listing all those big companies
mentioned that have never donated a dime. Negative PR might
result in more donations than managers receiving the minor
On Fri, 24 Mar 2006, mickey wrote:
On Fri, Mar 24, 2006 at 06:43:27AM -0700, Diana Eichert wrote:
SNIP
Lot's of money flowing from the US Gov't Dept of Defense?
and big companies...
sorry Mickey, but I've been involved with DOD DOE ( and it's
predecessors) for almost 25 years.
UC get's a
Andris Delfino [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Don't do that, that is extortion.
Well, it needn't be so severe. It could simply be an addition
to the users page ( http://www.openssh.org/users.html ) with
parenthetical notes such as:
( has donated to the project -- thank you. )
next to those that
Alexander Bochmann wrote:
..on Fri, Mar 24, 2006 at 02:52:55PM +0100, Alexander Bochmann wrote:
So it's probably easier to get a company
to order a few hundred CDs instead of a donation.
By the way, the golden CD signed by all core
developers for $9000 might just be the thing
to add to
(I'm so sorry that I'm continuing this thread...)
There is quite a conflict between the core developers that don't wish to
spend their time nicely holding newbies' hands (frankly, I don't want
them to spend their time on that either), and the touchy-feely people
that think OpenBSD would
a paper trail if you use
bank money transfers. Just as OpenBSD have setup it now (which
is definitely a good move; if there's an account in Germany,
I'll seriously consider doing an automated periodical donation,
small, but regular, dunno whether that also works for non-German
Euro zone bank accounts
On 2006/03/24 11:20, Ryan Fox wrote:
Why don't we have separate lists? One for general questions, and gently
guiding new users to the FAQ and man pages?
Like misc@ and http://mailman.theapt.org/listinfo/openbsd-newbies, you mean?
Hi!
On Fri, Mar 24, 2006 at 11:20:19AM -0500, Ryan Fox wrote:
Why don't we have separate lists? One for general questions, and gently
guiding new users to the FAQ and man pages? It can be all fuzzy and
warm; a place for pleasantries. And a separate list for more experienced
users that want
On Mar 24, 2006, at 10:13 AM, Pedro Timsteo wrote:
Alexander Bochmann wrote:
..on Fri, Mar 24, 2006 at 02:52:55PM +0100, Alexander Bochmann wrote:
So it's probably easier to get a company to order a few
hundred CDs instead of a donation.
By the way, the golden CD signed by all core
So it's probably easier to get a company
to order a few hundred CDs instead of a donation.
By the way, the golden CD signed by all core
developers for $9000 might just be the thing
to add to the store. :)
After it costs $8500 to get it Fedex'd back and forth all over the
world to
On 3/24/06, chefren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Demand something like $50 a year for access to the ftp.openbsd.org now!!!
great idea. that's $50 from ibm, $50 from sun, $50 from redhat, and
$50 from apple. $200 sounds about right to cover all the expenses.
in case the project ends up using a
I don't actually understand what that whining about tax deduction is
about.
My guess is that it's not about the tax deduction in
itself (although that certainly helps), it's about
the receipt.
Companies very much like to generate a proper paper
trail when they hand out money, and
On 2006/03/24 15:13, Pedro Timsteo wrote:
Or, like someone suggested a couple of weeks ago:
OpenBSD Enterprise Edition: it's exactly the same software, but comes
on 20 (mostly empty) CDs, and costs 100 times as much. :)
Same CD set, booklet turned around to display a boring
alternative
On 3/24/06, Ryan Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There is quite a conflict between the core developers that don't wish to
spend their time nicely holding newbies' hands (frankly, I don't want
them to spend their time on that either), and the touchy-feely people
that think OpenBSD would progress
On Thu, Mar 23, 2006 at 08:17:42PM -0700, Theo de Raadt wrote:
http://www.digg.com/linux_unix/OpenBSD_needs_a_major_donor
http://bsd.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/03/21/1555243
No one seems to care (unless donations have shot up and Theo, et. al.
haven't mentioned it)
From what I
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
That said, I think a wall of shame page on the OpenSSH site
might be a good idea: one listing all those big companies
mentioned that have never donated a dime. Negative PR might
result in more donations than managers receiving the minor
annoyance message
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Why don't we have separate lists? One for general questions,
and gently
guiding new users to the FAQ and man pages? It can be all fuzzy and
warm; a place for pleasantries. And a separate list for more
experienced
users that want to dwell in the lair of
On Fri, Mar 24, 2006 at 10:29:19AM -0700, Theo de Raadt wrote:
That said, when 4.0 comes out there will likely be an audio CD made of
all 11 of the songs, with artwork to match, sold seperately.
The songs are great - but like open{bsd,ssh} already at the public ftp
servers. I don't think that
On Mar 24, 2006, at 1:48 PM, Kevin wrote:
We can (and do) have the company purchase one copy of each release
CD set.
I might be able to convince them to go for Jason Dixon's offer (if
it's still valid), though it might need a little polishing to be
buzzword-compliant.
If there is interest,
On Fri, 24 Mar 2006, Kevin wrote:
SNIP
We can (and do) have the company purchase one copy of each release CD set.
I might be able to convince them to go for Jason Dixon's offer (if
it's still valid), though it might need a little polishing to be
buzzword-compliant.
Jason't offer is still
missed some.
James Mackinnon
Devantec Solutions
- Original Message -
From: Theo de Raadt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: misc@openbsd.org
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 7:02 PM
Subject: Re: openbsd and the money -solutions
I did not mean to step on another sacred cow - I
James Mackinnon wrote:
If you do offer paypal for the stuff above, I will buy more frequently
as to do my part to help support the System I trust with my
systems/network security.
I will send a donation now as well as I can do that VIA paypal (won't be
large, but it will be a donation)
On Fri, 2006-03-24 at 15:59:31 -0500, Jason Dixon proclaimed...
Or the main page at http://www.dixongroup.net/?q=openbsd.
What about a gold bundle that is $1000 or more? I mean, money is just
water to most corporations. If there's a legit product, hell, they pay
anything for it.
Finally having to weight in:
I personally and my company has been buying at least 2 copies of each
release and t-shirts for as long as I can remember. The store folks
do a great job, and the one time they mixed up an order they sent me
a T-shirt and a nice reply. Theo and many others have
* Michael Favinsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-03-24 19:53]:
2) Lots of companies can't send money out until they get a bill. There
needs to be some way to generate a donation invoice that can be taken to
accounting. We need to be able to present our accounting departments with
paperwork that says
On Mar 24, 2006, at 4:15 PM, eric wrote:
On Fri, 2006-03-24 at 15:59:31 -0500, Jason Dixon proclaimed...
Or the main page at http://www.dixongroup.net/?q=openbsd.
What about a gold bundle that is $1000 or more? I mean, money is
just
water to most corporations. If there's a legit product,
Realistically, I can't offer my services out for free at more than 8
hours per customer. If someone wants to pay me above and beyond,
with the extra funds earmarked for a donation to OpenBSD, I'll gladly
pass the money on to the project.
Jason, get real -- everyone is entitled to you
On Fri, 24 Mar 2006, Chet Uber wrote:
1. Read the damn FAQ's, newbies, and do a Google search on what you are
about to waste list bandwidth on. People on the project spend good time
getting this done for us.
2. Buy the CD, and quit bitching about it. For that matter be a good
neighbor and buy
--- Spruell, Darren-Perot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Better approach. How about said companies belly up and support the group
that enables them (in part) to enjoy the financial success they have?
Because there is no reason for them to. Here's what would happen:
1) license change comes out
2)
Copyright law is complex, OpenBSD policy is simple - OpenBSD strives to
maintain the spirit of the original Berkeley Unix copyrights.
This is the first sentence of this page: http://www.openbsd.org/policy.html
Can't people see how ridiculous is all that talk about why don't we change
the
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thankless? you sir, are the most thankless project leader
i have ever seen in my life.
We thank with code. We don't come shower people with nice words.
We write code.
i have been advocating openbsd since the 2.6 times
and buying
On Fri, Mar 24, 2006 at 03:15:27PM -0800, Brian wrote:
There is no reason to provide funding from a business standpoint. What does
the business gain?
Does having a business standpoint require shutting off all common sense?
Everytime someone mentions things like business decision or business
just before i order my 3.9:
this is what i feel sometimes, and i think sometimes more of you do.
people who read misc@ for years might identify the following
(for me disturbing) trend:
twice a year (or maybe more) when it comes to money issues, Theo and
the devs ask for donations, cd
On Thu, Mar 23, 2006 at 03:09:08PM +0100, frantisek holop wrote:
[...]
Now can EVERBODY please submit their personal feelings and put oil into
this starting FLAMEWAR. Oh and please add a THEOFLAMEWAR string to
the subject, so that i can easily set up maildrop rules...
Thanks!
Tobias
This is what I see:
Community - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
and as far as I can remember non of devs has ever told me what I'm nobody.
On Thursday 23 March 2006 15:09, frantisek holop wrote:
just before i order my 3.9:
this is what i feel sometimes, and i think sometimes more of you do.
people
frantisek holop wrote:
except when it comes to money. well, well.
then suddenly we ARE a community, we are NEEDED and should feel as one,
so we can join powers and walk off into the setting sun.
it is this hypocracy i hate the most (just as much as Theo does too
-- that is why i love
On Thu, Mar 23, 2006 at 03:09:08PM +0100, frantisek holop wrote:
if you don't have cvs commit, you are a nobody that's what misc@
will teach any newcomer using iron and fire. i try to be part
of a community but the devs say you are nobody and should be glad
that you can use this stuff.
It's
hmm, on Thu, Mar 23, 2006 at 11:49:49AM -0300, Pedro Martelletto said that
On Thu, Mar 23, 2006 at 03:09:08PM +0100, frantisek holop wrote:
if you don't have cvs commit, you are a nobody that's what misc@
will teach any newcomer using iron and fire. i try to be part
of a community but the
On Thu, Mar 23, 2006 at 04:03:58PM +0100, frantisek holop wrote:
i never did try to present this as absolute truth, all the mail is
my personal opinion.
Okay, thanks for clarifying that.
-p.
Hello frantisek,
Thursday, March 23, 2006, 8:09:08 AM, you wrote:
fh this is what i feel sometimes, and i think sometimes more of you do.
fh unfortunately there is no real community around openbsd. at least
fh i dont see one -- one where there are people without cvs commit.
fh if you don't have
On 3/23/06, frantisek holop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i never did try to
present this as absolute truth, all the mail is
my personal opinion.
just shutup and donate already!
-K
My oh my, that is an ill-informed rant, isn't it? Feel better now?
I'm not going to a bloat out the list by explaining to your bruised
ego, how you are wrong and have the wrong outlook in all of this.
Go figure it out for yourself.
--
Best regards,
Craig
http://slashboot.org/
Support
On Thursday 23 March 2006 09:36, you wrote:
This is what I see:
Community - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
and as far as I can remember non of devs has ever told me what I'm nobody.
Good for you.
On Thursday 23 March 2006 15:09, frantisek holop wrote:
just before i order my 3.9:
this is what i
On Thursday 23 March 2006 14:09, frantisek holop wrote:
just before i order my 3.9:
this is what i feel sometimes, and i think sometimes more of you do.
people who read misc@ for years might identify the following
(for me disturbing) trend:
twice a year (or maybe more) when it comes to
I would really appreciate if you guys could stop responding to this
thread.
On 3/23/06, Fergus Wilde [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thursday 23 March 2006 14:09, frantisek holop wrote:
just before i order my 3.9:
this is what i feel sometimes, and i think sometimes more of you do.
people who read misc@ for years might identify the following
(for me
frantisek holop wrote:
unfortunately there is no real community around openbsd. at least
i dont see one -- one where there are people without cvs commit.
if you don't have cvs commit, you are a nobody that's what misc@
will teach any newcomer using iron and fire. i try to be part
of a community
it would be interesting to know about how MUCH money donated
to the openbsd project you all are REALLY talking here...
if there's any up-to-date published information, plz. let me know...
best regards!
ps: sorry guys, i couldn't 'stand it ;_)
you Theo, have the luxury only few have
Actually the real luxury all of us have is that we can delete mails
from people who only think of themselves.
WE make it possible for YOU Theo to do this.
so don't tell me i am lucky to use openbsd.
Fine. So stop making it possible for (not me), but
it would be interesting to know about how MUCH money donated
to the openbsd project you all are REALLY talking here...
In the last month about 1/5th of what we need to run in a year
has been donated.
Sad, eh. 350 donation transactions in one month. I had no idea
that the OpenSSH deployment
On Mar 23, 2006, at 1:23 PM, Theo de Raadt wrote:
it would be interesting to know about how MUCH money donated
to the openbsd project you all are REALLY talking here...
In the last month about 1/5th of what we need to run in a year
has been donated.
Sad, eh. 350 donation transactions in one
it would be interesting to know about how MUCH money donated
to the openbsd project you all are REALLY talking here...
In the last month about 1/5th of what we need to run in a year
has been donated.
Sad, eh. 350 donation transactions in one month. I had no idea
that the OpenSSH
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