Re: Movable, customizable toolbars.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthew Thomas) wrote in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >"David W. Fenton" wrote: >> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthew Thomas) wrote in >>... >> > I don't like Mozilla. From a user's point of view, Mozilla is >> > worse in every respect -- except page rendering speed -- than >> > 4.x, MSIE

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"David W. Fenton" wrote: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthew Thomas) wrote in >... > > I don't like Mozilla. From a user's point of view, Mozilla is > > worse in every respect -- except page rendering speed -- than 4.x, > > MSIE, or iCab. The installation process is worse, the footprint is > > worse,

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"Justin H." wrote: > > Matthew Thomas wrote: > > > > Because I don't want to have it on my conscience that I didn't help. > > I don't have the knowledge, hardware, or temperament to contribute > > code, so I taught myself about UI design and contributed that > > instead. > > If you don't mind my

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David Tenser wrote: > > Matthew Thomas wrote: >... > > So you have the worst of both worlds. Those people who normally > > *would* want to customize their toolbar can't, and those people who > > normally *wouldn't* want to customize it end up wishing they could. > > Exactly. How long will it tak

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Actually, I really like Internet Explorer. I'd like to see Mozilla grow to be a much more powerful alternative, hopefully both faster and with more customization options. It's looking better and better every day. Small things that I'd like to see in Mozilla, that I just came up with: * Right c

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David, I can understand sticking to Mozilla. I just wanted it to be clear to everyone that you don't have to be stuck with the IE 3.0-style interface. You can select from dozens of interface styles and users have the ability, through the macro functionality to power-up K-Meleon beyond basic brows

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gavin long wrote: > > Read here http://mpt.phrasewise.com/stories/storyReader$35 > > Interesting reading about the lack of usability in Mozilla. At least > > I agree with the author. They backed out non-full non-screen non-mode. Maybe drop that one a few places, and change the link from bug

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David Tenser wrote: >> So you have the worst of both worlds. Those people who normally *would* >> want to customize their toolbar can't, and those people who normally >> *wouldn't* want to customize it end up wishing they could. > > Exactly. How long will it take before these things change to th

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Matthew Thomas wrote: > David Tenser wrote: >>This article is actually written by a staff member of Mozilla,> > Thankyou, David, for giving me a good laugh there. Sorry about the misinformation. I wasn't aware of the fact that there is such a big difference between a staff member and "UI Desig

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What's the status, Matthew? I tried to mail you about that before, maybe it didn't got through. Are these improvements (such as movable toolbars, better default toolbar buttons, etc.) going to be incorporated in the future? / David Matthew Thomas wrote: > gavin long wrote: > >>>Read here htt

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Stuart Ballard wrote: > Jonas Jørgensen wrote: >> >> gav 'n' cal wrote: >> >> > "mozilla needs to make my bed in the morning", "mozilla needs a >> > kitchen sink", Mozilla needs to make coffee". At least one of those is >> > really in bugzilla. >> >> I've seen two of them... > > You mean like

Re: Movable, customizable toolbars.

You can also try: http://tinderbox.mozilla.org/showbuilds.cgi?tree=SeaMonkey Click on the names under the Guilty column, click on Last Check in, Check ins within last 24 hours or Check ins within last 7 days to get commits by that particular developer. It will take you to another page with inf

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Matthew Thomas wrote: > gavin long wrote: > >>>Read here http://mpt.phrasewise.com/stories/storyReader$35 >>>Interesting reading about the lack of usability in Mozilla. At least >>>I agree with the author. >>> >>That's good news. MPT is the owner of the User Interface Design >>component. He's w

Re: Movable, customizable toolbars.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthew Thomas) wrote in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >I don't like Mozilla. From a user's point of view, Mozilla is >worse in every respect -- except page rendering speed -- than 4.x, >MSIE, or iCab. The installation process is worse, the footprint is >worse, the UI is worse, the res

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Matthew Thomas wrote: > [snip] > > but I'd say the standard toolbar, as it is designed now, is > > very limited and not very user friendly. I still think that all these > > suggestions should be implemented, and I still think this is more > > important than skin support. Skin support i

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Blake Ross wrote: > > > What do you mean by it is likely that this component is going away? Do > > you mean that they won't work on these usability improvements after all? > > If so, why? > > > > I can understand (or should I say, I have accepted the fact) that this > > doesn't have high priority

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Matthew Thomas wrote: > > Because I don't want to have it on my conscience that I didn't help. I > don't have the knowledge, hardware, or temperament to contribute code, > so I taught myself about UI design and contributed that instead. If you don't mind my asking, was there any particular refer

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Jonas Jørgensen wrote: >... > But when has anyone ever claimed that Mozilla's toolbars or > performance didn't need to be improved? I don't recall hearing that in > this newsgroup. We are not saying that Mozilla is good enough, only > that it is constantly improving, and certanly *not* that it wil

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gavin long wrote: > > > Read here http://mpt.phrasewise.com/stories/storyReader$35 > > Interesting reading about the lack of usability in Mozilla. At least > > I agree with the author. > > That's good news. MPT is the owner of the User Interface Design > component. He's well placed to get thes

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David Tenser wrote: > > Jonas Jørgensen wrote: > > > > Blake Ross wrote: > > > > > > > This article is actually written by a staff member of Mozilla, Thankyou, David, for giving me a good laugh there. >... > > > if you think most people desire a different toolbar layout than > > > the default,

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michael wrote: > Blake Ross wrote: > >>>If not, why put so much effort in supporting skins in Mozilla? Truth is, >>>most of the users doesn't care much of skin support in a browser. >>> >>Who is putting "so much effort"? No one that I can see. You admitted >>you're new here, why are you making

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Blake Ross wrote: > > > If not, why put so much effort in supporting skins in Mozilla? Truth is, > > most of the users doesn't care much of skin support in a browser. > > Who is putting "so much effort"? No one that I can see. You admitted > you're new here, why are you making such presumption

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Blake Ross wrote: > there's an updated module owner list, but > I can't find the url right now...) I suppose you're talking about http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/survey.cgi?action=list -- "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor saf

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> What do you mean by it is likely that this component is going away? Do > you mean that they won't work on these usability improvements after all? > If so, why? > > I can understand (or should I say, I have accepted the fact) that this > doesn't have high priority, but dropping it alltogether

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Blake Ross wrote: > First of all, he is the default assignee for that component, not the > module owner. (Yeah, this is a confusing distinction. Mozilla.org is > working on cleaning it up, and there's an updated module owner list, but > I can't find the url right now...) It is likely, further

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Blake, I'm sorry for sounding arrogant. That was certainly not my intentions. I guess smileys can look pretty arrogant sometimes. My humble apologizes. Thanks for clearing the confusion of the term staff up too. / David Blake Ross wrote: >> So XUL-based skinnable user interface has nothing to

Re: Movable, customizable toolbars.

Okay, I see someone has already set you straight on this, so please excuse me. I don't want to give you the impression that we're all aggressive here ;-) But next time, you might want to restate your assertions as questions. Blake David Tenser wrote: > > > Blake Ross wrote: > >>> It's not

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> So XUL-based skinnable user interface has nothing to do with XUL? :) Yes. That is what I'm saying. The interface being skinnable has nothing to do with XUL, it has to do with CSS. Do you want to keep going back and forth like this forever? > You seem to know less than I do about these things

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David Tenser wrote: > What's CVS? The system mozilla.org uses to keep track of code changes. See . -- Hvis svaret er Anders Fogh så er spørgsmålet dumt.

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What's CVS? Kryptolus wrote: > David Tenser wrote: > >> Hehe.. I thought it would be easier for the people who actually make >> changes to the code to also write down what they did. >> > > > When they commit their changes to CVS, they enter a message. > The ones you see through bonsai or th

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David Tenser wrote: > Hehe.. I thought it would be easier for the people who actually make > changes to the code to also write down what they did. > When they commit their changes to CVS, they enter a message. The ones you see through bonsai or through CVS directly.

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Hehe.. I thought it would be easier for the people who actually make changes to the code to also write down what they did. I think I'll satisfy with mozillazine.org! / David Jonas Jørgensen wrote: > David Tenser wrote: > > >> Apart from bonsai, you can also go to > >> http://www.mozillazine

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I surrender. :) My point hopefully got through anyway. Jonas Jørgensen wrote: > David Tenser wrote: > >>> Matthew Thomas (mpt) is not a staff member of Mozilla. And I say >>> that if you think most people desire a different toolbar layout than >>> the default, you're thinking too much like a

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David Tenser wrote: >> Apart from bonsai, you can also go to >> http://www.mozillazine.org/build_comments/ > > This was even more useful! This is what I wanted in the first place :) > > Why can't they include a small whatsnew.txt in the package? The same reason why Mozilla's message filterin

Re: Movable, customizable toolbars.

David Tenser wrote: >> Matthew Thomas (mpt) is not a staff member of Mozilla. And I say that >> if you think most people desire a different toolbar layout than the >> default, you're thinking too much like a technical user. From the >> feedback submissions I've read from Netscape 6.x, few us

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Thanks for the tip! Getting busy with it right away. I'm assuming that I need to create this userChrome.css file and place it in the /chrome subdir in my profile. Pratik wrote: > On 2/16/2002 10:06 AM, David Tenser wrote: > > >> In my opinion, the current toolbar also takes up too much space,

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David Tenser wrote: > Well the whole XUL front end can be viewed as a "skin". It's all based > on XUL, so how can it not? Please forgive me if I'm wrong. Huh? XUL is just an UI description to make cross-platform UI development easier. > Sorry if the word "staff" is confusing. Maybe contributor

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This was even more useful! This is what I wanted in the first place :) Why can't they include a small whatsnew.txt in the package? / David Pratik wrote: > On 2/15/2002 9:21 PM, David Tenser wrote: > > >> Does someone know how to get more information about this project, such >> as the daily p

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Christian Biesinger wrote: > David Tenser wrote: > >> Blake Ross wrote: >> >>> Sorry, my bad. It's total misinformation, then. XUL has nothing to do >>> with skinability. >> >> It hasn't? What about this quotation from the Mozilla.org /start page: >> >> "Is there some bug that really bothers yo

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On 2/16/2002 10:06 AM, David Tenser wrote: >In my opinion, the current toolbar also takes up too much space, with >large icons and captions on each button. Hence the need of customization... > Agreed, You can get rid of the caption if you want to (see http:///www.geocities.com/pratiksolanki/u

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David Tenser wrote: > Blake Ross wrote: >> Sorry, my bad. It's total misinformation, then. XUL has nothing to do >> with skinability. > > It hasn't? What about this quotation from the Mozilla.org /start page: > > "Is there some bug that really bothers you? As well as reporting it, > feel free

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Jonas Jørgensen wrote: > Blake Ross wrote: > >>> This article is actually written by a staff member of Mozilla, so >>> this is serious stuff. If you doubt people wants to customize the >>> looks of an application, you're being ignorant. >> >> >> Matthew Thomas (mpt) is not a staff member of Mo

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On 2/15/2002 9:21 PM, David Tenser wrote: >Does someone know how to get more information about this project, such >as the daily progress? > Apart from bonsai, you can also go to http://www.mozillazine.org/build_comments/ which gives reports about nightly builds, recent bugs fixed, bugs fixed

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Thanks for the tip Andrew, but K-Meleon was really just an ugly Internet Explorer 3.0-styled application with the Gecko engine inside. :( I'd rather stick with Mozilla (and in a few cases IE6). / David Andrew Mutch wrote: > If you want the ability to: > > * Add and remove toolbar buttons > *

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Thanks for the link! Lots of stuff are happening every day. I'm not surprised though. / David Christian Biesinger wrote: > David Tenser wrote: > >> Does someone know how to get more information about this project, such >> as the daily progress? > > > The daily progress can be seen at http:/

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Blake Ross wrote: >> It's not a presumption. XUL. That's a _big_ effort in making Mozilla >> skinnable. > > > Sorry, my bad. It's total misinformation, then. XUL has nothing to do > with skinability. It hasn't? What about this quotation from the Mozilla.org /start page: "Is there some bug t

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JTK wrote: > Holy mother of God. Dare I ask what the numbers look like if you *DO* > count Mailnews? http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/reports.cgi?product=MailNews&output=show_chart&datasets=NEW%3A&datasets=ASSIGNED%3A&datasets=REOPENED%3A&datasets=UNCONFIRMED%3A&banner=1 Mailnews alone has ca. 2400

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David Tenser wrote: >> Do yourself a favor: Don't listen to JTK. He is always whining about how >> Mozilla sucks, and whenever something he has complained about gets >> fixed, he takes the credit for it. He also seems to believe that Mozilla >> is part of a secret conspiracy between AOL, China

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Blake Ross wrote: >> This article is actually written by a staff member of Mozilla, so this >> is serious stuff. If you doubt people wants to customize the looks of an >> application, you're being ignorant. > > Matthew Thomas (mpt) is not a staff member of Mozilla. Depends on your definition

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David Tenser wrote: > Does someone know how to get more information about this project, such > as the daily progress? The daily progress can be seen at http://bonsai.mozilla.org, where you can query for the checkins made in the last day or another timeframe. -- "They that can give up essenti

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> My initial point was that there is much effort in making Mozilla > skinnable, with a solid API foundation to work with, but most users > would benefit from customizable toolbars instead of skins. I believe that "skinability" was mostly a side-effect of the development of the cross-platform U

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Blake Ross wrote: > > > It's not a presumption. XUL. That's a _big_ effort in making Mozilla > > skinnable. > > Sorry, my bad. It's total misinformation, then. XUL has nothing to do > with skinability. > My sweet Lord, this is really too much. XUL has NO OTHER REASON TO EXIST other than skinna

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If you want the ability to: * Add and remove toolbar buttons * Add and remove menus and menu items * Change the look of the browser toolbars and toolbar buttons * Have "native" language menus Then you should be looking at K-Meleon: http://kmeleon.sourceforge.net/ Gecko engine, whatever interfa

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> It's not a presumption. XUL. That's a _big_ effort in making Mozilla > skinnable. Sorry, my bad. It's total misinformation, then. XUL has nothing to do with skinability. > This article is actually written by a staff member of Mozilla, so this > is serious stuff. If you doubt people wants to

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Pratik wrote: > On 02/15/2002 05:17 PM, JTK wrote: > > >> Save your breath Mozillapologists, these aren't my words, they're from >> the guy who's in charge of the UI design himself. Talk to him if you >> have problems faceing reality. > > > Another reality - His no.1 usability problem is bei

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I didn't see this message until now, although this was posted before other message I've already replied to. This is because of a strange bug that was hiding two unread messages. I'm unsure how I could report this bug. The only way would be to send in the 4MB newsgroup file "netscape.public.moz

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Blake Ross wrote: >> If not, why put so much effort in supporting skins in Mozilla? Truth >> is, most of the users doesn't care much of skin support in a browser. > > > Who is putting "so much effort"? No one that I can see. You admitted > you're new here, why are you making such presumptio

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JTK wrote: >> Read here http://mpt.phrasewise.com/stories/storyReader$35 >> Interesting reading about the lack of usability in Mozilla. At least I >> agree with the author. > > Oh man, THANK YOU for that link. Here, suck this down all you > Mozillapologists; this is from "the owner of the User

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On 02/15/2002 05:17 PM, JTK wrote: > Save your breath Mozillapologists, these aren't my words, they're from > the guy who's in charge of the UI design himself. Talk to him if you > have problems faceing reality. Another reality - His no.1 usability problem is being attacked. His page also says

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Christian Biesinger wrote: > > Jonas Jørgensen wrote: > > Precisely. And out of those 2200 bugs, approx 1000 of them are already > > closed, 600 of them as duplicates (and there are many duplicates among > > the rest which just hasn't been marked as such yet). > > Sorry but this is wrong. > Look

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Christian Biesinger wrote: > > David Tenser wrote: > > Matt Williams wrote: > > >> One quick question . . . how does having a skin make your life easier > >> or more productive?> > > > > > > If not, why put so much effort in supporting skins in Mozilla? Truth is, > > most of the users doesn't ca

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David Tenser wrote: > [snip] > Read here http://mpt.phrasewise.com/stories/storyReader$35 > Interesting reading about the lack of usability in Mozilla. At least I > agree with the author. > Oh man, THANK YOU for that link. Here, suck this down all you Mozillapologists; this is from "the owne

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Christian Biesinger wrote: >> Precisely. And out of those 2200 bugs, approx 1000 of them are already >> closed, 600 of them as duplicates (and there are many duplicates among >> the rest which just hasn't been marked as such yet). > > Sorry but this is wrong. > Look at this URL: > >http://bug

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David Tenser wrote: > [snip] > > > > Five days later, I'd confirm it if I could reproduce it. It may be > > WinXP only, which narrows down the field of testers somewhat. Thanks > > for a sane-and-sensible bugreport though. > > You're welcome. It's funny, after mentioning the bug report here,

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Jonas Jørgensen wrote: > Precisely. And out of those 2200 bugs, approx 1000 of them are already > closed, 600 of them as duplicates (and there are many duplicates among > the rest which just hasn't been marked as such yet). Sorry but this is wrong. Look at this URL: http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/

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> If not, why put so much effort in supporting skins in Mozilla? Truth is, > most of the users doesn't care much of skin support in a browser. Who is putting "so much effort"? No one that I can see. You admitted you're new here, why are you making such presumptions? > My initial point was th

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David Tenser wrote: > Matt Williams wrote: >> One quick question . . . how does having a skin make your life easier >> or more productive?> > > > If not, why put so much effort in supporting skins in Mozilla? Truth is, > most of the users doesn't care much of skin support in a browser. Truth

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David Tenser wrote: >> [1] anyone who wants to help thin THEM out, please do >> [2] "mozilla needs to make my bed in the morning", "mozilla needs a >> kitchen sink", Mozilla needs to make coffee". At least one of those >> is really in bugzilla. > > The kitchen sink, right? :) That, and th

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Pratik wrote: > Good point David. The very same point is also made by mpt. Its his no.1 > usability problem in Mozilla > > http://mpt.phrasewise.com/stories/storyReader$35 Interesting reading! > fyi, this problem is being addresed. Look at the following 2 bugs > > http://bugzilla.mozilla.org

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> Read here http://mpt.phrasewise.com/stories/storyReader$35 > Interesting reading about the lack of usability in Mozilla. At least I > agree with the author. That's good news. MPT is the owner of the User Interface Design component. He's well placed to get these fixed. -- gav

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I'm glad to hear that. gavin long wrote: > David Tenser wrote: > >> One thing that I've always thought of as a very simple, yet very >> useful feature that Mozilla lacks: The ability to add/remove buttons >> to the toolbar(s) and to drag/move toolbars, address fields, menus, etc. >> >> Even si

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gav 'n' cal wrote: > David Tenser wrote: > >> Any color as long as it's black. BUT YOU CAN USE ALL KINDS OF > >> DIFFERENT SKINS! > >> > >> Oh, well, not really, something like a grand total of SIX at last > >> count [snip] > > > > Yeah, I was amazed by the fact that Mozilla have been aro

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Matt Williams wrote: > David Tenser wrote: > >> Exactly my point. You can customize Mozilla to be a totally different >> browser if you really want and have the time. On the other hand, you >> could also make your own web browser from scratch if you had the time >> and knowledge, so that does

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Stuart Ballard wrote: >> > "mozilla needs to make my bed in the morning", "mozilla needs a >> > kitchen sink", Mozilla needs to make coffee". At least one of those is >> > really in bugzilla. >> >> I've seen two of them... > > You mean like http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122411 ?

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David Tenser wrote: > You can customize Mozilla to be a totally different > browser if you really want and have the time. On the other hand, you > could also make your own web browser from scratch if you had the time > and knowledge, so that doesn't help the average user. It seems for me > th

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Jonas Jørgensen wrote: > > gav 'n' cal wrote: > > > "mozilla needs to make my bed in the morning", "mozilla needs a > > kitchen sink", Mozilla needs to make coffee". At least one of those is > > really in bugzilla. > > I've seen two of them... You mean like http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bu

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gav 'n' cal wrote: > "mozilla needs to make my bed in the morning", "mozilla needs a > kitchen sink", Mozilla needs to make coffee". At least one of those is > really in bugzilla. I've seen two of them... -- Hvis svaret er Anders Fogh så er spørgsmålet dumt.

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Kryptolus wrote: > JTK wrote: >> [Who the fuck cares what he wrote] > ROFLMAO! JTK == Just Talks Krap ?? -- Software is like sex, it's better when it's free - Linus Torvalds Anti-spam e-mail address, change _AT_, sorry for the inconvenience

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Good point David. The very same point is also made by mpt. Its his no.1 usability problem in Mozilla http://mpt.phrasewise.com/stories/storyReader$35 fyi, this problem is being addresed. Look at the following 2 bugs http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15144 http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/

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> 2. "Standards-compliant", which translates, "Standards-compliant web > browser, when it's convenient for AOL, and at the expense of > 'defacto-standards compliant'". > > I completely support 100%, 1000% standards compliance, but not when it > means that I can't view web pages that already exis

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David Tenser wrote: >> Any color as long as it's black. BUT YOU CAN USE ALL KINDS OF >> DIFFERENT SKINS! >> >> Oh, well, not really, something like a grand total of SIX at last >> count [snip] > > Yeah, I was amazed by the fact that Mozilla have been around for several > (?) years, and th

Re: Movable, customizable toolbars.

David Tenser wrote: > One thing that I've always thought of as a very simple, yet very useful > feature that Mozilla lacks: The ability to add/remove buttons to the > toolbar(s) and to drag/move toolbars, address fields, menus, etc. > > Even simple crappy Wordpad has this functionality (at leas

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David Tenser wrote: > > JTK wrote: > > David Tenser wrote: > >> Even simple crappy Wordpad has this functionality (at least moving > >> toolbars), > > > > Simple, crappy Wordpad is also able to edit plain text relatively > > easily, unlike Mozilla's "composer". Do you know that until about a > >

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Kryptolus wrote: > > JTK wrote: > > [Who the fuck cares what he wrote] > > Die. Fish in a barrel... ;-)

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David Tenser wrote: > > > JTK wrote: > >> David Tenser wrote: >> >>> Even simple crappy Wordpad has this functionality (at least moving >>> toolbars), >> >> >> Simple, crappy Wordpad is also able to edit plain text relatively >> easily, unlike Mozilla's "composer". Do you know that until ab

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>> I think you're missing a key piece of the puzzle in your understanding >> of the Tacoma Narrows Browser Project here: The UI is written in >> something called "XUL". Basically Mozilla's UI is a glorified webpage >> *itself*, and is rendered by that same engine. Slowly. Poorly. >> Resulti

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JTK wrote: > David Tenser wrote: >> Even simple crappy Wordpad has this functionality (at least moving >> toolbars), > > Simple, crappy Wordpad is also able to edit plain text relatively > easily, unlike Mozilla's "composer". Do you know that until about a > month ago, Mozilla's email/news e

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JTK wrote: > [Who the fuck cares what he wrote] Die.

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David Tenser wrote: > One thing that I've always thought of as a very simple, yet very useful > feature that Mozilla lacks: The ability to add/remove buttons to the > toolbar(s) and to drag/move toolbars, address fields, menus, etc. > Oh my God, I never noticed that Mozilla didn't even have d

Movable, customizable toolbars.

One thing that I've always thought of as a very simple, yet very useful feature that Mozilla lacks: The ability to add/remove buttons to the toolbar(s) and to drag/move toolbars, address fields, menus, etc. Even simple crappy Wordpad has this functionality (at least moving toolbars), and freeb