Re: [newbie] changing wm with gnome2

2003-07-27 Thread Len Lawrence
On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 10:56:32 +1000 Sridhar Dhanapalan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 01:08:17 +0100, Len Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > killall -9 metacity > > No process killed (or something like that) > > > > The 'exec sawfish &' failed with "Cannot run two window

Re: [newbie] Logitech Marble Mouse

2003-07-27 Thread g
Aron Smith wrote: > On Friday 25 July 2003 04:30 pm, Daniel wrote: >>I have a Logitech Marble Mouse and I did not see this hardware in the > > Try the generic wheel mouse worked for me;) md 6 thru 9.1 have set my logitech trackman marble, 3 buttons, no wheel, as a default 3 buttons, with out any

Re: [newbie] Does mandrakeUpdate really work?

2003-07-27 Thread Richard Urwin
On Monday 28 Jul 2003 5:03 am, Avi Schwartz wrote: > I ftpd into the site and I can see the rpm in there. However, and be > warned that I have no clue a to what I am doing, the synthesis.hdlist > file shows only 2.4.21.0.13 and not 2.4.21.0.25. Can this be the > problem? Have you upgraded from 9

Re: [newbie] Bad Signutures

2003-07-27 Thread Dennis Myers
On Sunday 27 July 2003 09:51 pm, Aron Smith wrote: > On Sunday 27 July 2003 05:03 pm, Dennis Myers wrote: > > On Sunday 27 July 2003 05:58 pm, Aron Smith wrote: > > > Any body know why the cryptographic keys are not found for so many > > > packages from mandrake lately? > > > > Do you have texstars

RE: [newbie] Intro

2003-07-27 Thread Frankie
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Stephen Kuhn On Mon, 2003-07-28 at 09:05, Aron Smith wrote: >> what'sa matter stephen Nigerian letter not working this week ? >> BTW a shrimp on the barbie --why would you put shellfish on a doll ; > >To make

Re: [newbie] Does mandrakeUpdate really work?

2003-07-27 Thread Avi Schwartz
I ftpd into the site and I can see the rpm in there. However, and be warned that I have no clue a to what I am doing, the synthesis.hdlist file shows only 2.4.21.0.13 and not 2.4.21.0.25. Can this be the problem? Avi On Sunday, July 27, 2003, at 10:49 PM, Dmitri Vassilenko wrote: I did it b

Re: [newbie] Bad Signutures

2003-07-27 Thread Aron Smith
On Sunday 27 July 2003 08:32 pm, Greg Meyer wrote: > On Sunday 27 July 2003 10:52 pm, Aron Smith wrote: > > OOPS you mean that texstar is also cooker ! > > No, absolutely not. You didn't say Texstar in your initial post though. > The exact quote was > > > Any body know why the cryptographic keys

Re: [newbie] Does mandrakeUpdate really work?

2003-07-27 Thread Dmitri Vassilenko
> I did it before via the GUI and I just did it again via the console and > I still get the same "No Update" message. Very puzzling. > > Avi I believe it also depends on the mirror that you're updating from. Some mirrors get updates several days later, so I'd wait a couple more days and try it a

Re: [newbie] Does mandrakeUpdate really work?

2003-07-27 Thread Avi Schwartz
I did it before via the GUI and I just did it again via the console and I still get the same "No Update" message. Very puzzling. Avi On Sunday, July 27, 2003, at 10:27 PM, Greg Meyer wrote: On Sunday 27 July 2003 11:22 pm, Avi Schwartz wrote: I currently have on my system kernel-2.4.21.0.13 i

Re: [newbie] Bad Signutures

2003-07-27 Thread Greg Meyer
On Sunday 27 July 2003 10:52 pm, Aron Smith wrote: > > OOPS you mean that texstar is also cooker ! No, absolutely not. You didn't say Texstar in your initial post though. The exact quote was > Any body know why the cryptographic keys are not found for so many > packages from mandrake lately?

Re: [newbie] Does mandrakeUpdate really work?

2003-07-27 Thread Greg Meyer
On Sunday 27 July 2003 11:22 pm, Avi Schwartz wrote: > I currently have on my system kernel-2.4.21.0.13 installed. When I am > running mandrakeUpdate it tells me there are no updates yet I know that > kernel 2.4.21.0.25mdk-1-1 is available as a security fix. Why doesn't > it tell me there is an u

[newbie] Does mandrakeUpdate really work?

2003-07-27 Thread Avi Schwartz
I currently have on my system kernel-2.4.21.0.13 installed. When I am running mandrakeUpdate it tells me there are no updates yet I know that kernel 2.4.21.0.25mdk-1-1 is available as a security fix. Why doesn't it tell me there is an update? Avi Want to buy your Pack or Services from Mandr

Re: [newbie] Bad Signutures

2003-07-27 Thread Aron Smith
On Sunday 27 July 2003 05:03 pm, Dennis Myers wrote: > On Sunday 27 July 2003 05:58 pm, Aron Smith wrote: > > Any body know why the cryptographic keys are not found for so many > > packages from mandrake lately? > > Do you have texstars rpms loaded as a source? Could be you don't have his > sig on

Re: [newbie] Bad Signutures

2003-07-27 Thread Aron Smith
On Sunday 27 July 2003 05:45 pm, Greg Meyer wrote: > On Sunday 27 July 2003 06:58 pm, Aron Smith wrote: > > Any body know why the cryptographic keys are not found for so many > > packages from mandrake lately? > > You are obviously installing cooker packages. Hopefully you are installing > them on

Re: [newbie] i'm looking for a very good WYSIWYG editor other thanMozilla composer

2003-07-27 Thread Robin Turner
John Wilson wrote: On July 25, 2003 04:50 am, Robin Turner wrote: The main factor in compatibility both ways is fonts and CSS. You can get a much better appearance on Windows by using fonts that Windows handles well. Tahoma and Verdana are good choices. You should also provide a lit of fonts

Re: [newbie] aumix not working

2003-07-27 Thread Eric Huff
alsamixergui might save you. If not, i'm not sure what to do about aumix not running. Maybe delete ~/.aumixrc ? Anyway, once you get that sorted out, here is what i did to make my sound work for my first install (the second time i installed it worked from the start...): 0. Run and save kmix 1.

Re: [newbie] Intro

2003-07-27 Thread Eric Huff
> BTW a shrimp on the barbie --why would you put shellfish on a doll ; > Shrimp is stephen's pet name for ken. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com

Re: [newbie] Bad Signutures

2003-07-27 Thread Dennis Myers
On Sunday 27 July 2003 05:58 pm, Aron Smith wrote: > Any body know why the cryptographic keys are not found for so many packages > from mandrake lately? Do you have texstars rpms loaded as a source? Could be you don't have his sig on file. Just guessing -- Dennis M. linux user #180842 Want to

Re: [newbie] Intro

2003-07-27 Thread Lanman
Why not ship him the equivalent in lead? $400.00 in USD of lead ingots should wiegh in at about 280 pounds, and will cost about $1000.00 USD to ship to Australia. Stephen, the way I see it, you owe him about $600.00 ! See what you get for not sharing? LOL! Man,...what some guys will do to be abl

Re: [newbie] Intro

2003-07-27 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Mon, 2003-07-28 at 02:19, burns wrote: > LOL How new am I? Just born! I have a USB connected JamCam, and I have > installed the gtkam through Control center, in multimedia/graphics, I now > have GTkam. I have set my JamCam, and gtkam says it has received 4 frames, > but there are no thu

Re: [newbie] Intro

2003-07-27 Thread Lanman
On 7/28/2003 at 9:32 AM Stephen Kuhn wrote: >> BTW a shrimp on the barbie --why would you put shellfish on a doll ; > > >To make the doll smell more real. Man, I saw that one coming! Can't believe you walked into that one Aron! Lanman Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go t

Re: [newbie] Intro

2003-07-27 Thread burns
Oh No! You don't get off that easy. It's $400 in pennies, and the receiver pays the shipping, or no deal... (:>) larry On July 27, 2003 11:31 pm, Stephen Kuhn wrote: > On Mon, 2003-07-28 at 02:11, burns wrote: > > gee, I'm terribly sorry, but I didn't see any 'fees', but I might get a > > f

[newbie] Why doesn't msec set directory permissions properly?

2003-07-27 Thread Avi Schwartz
I set my machine's security level to higher (4), however, I want to change the privileges for /usr/share/doc to be world browsable and readable. I used drakeperm to set the directory permissions and when I look at /etc/security/msec/perm.local I see the following line: /usr/share/doc/adm.a

Re: [newbie] Intro

2003-07-27 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Mon, 2003-07-28 at 09:05, Aron Smith wrote: > what'sa matter stephen Nigerian letter not working this week ? > BTW a shrimp on the barbie --why would you put shellfish on a doll ; > To make the doll smell more real. -- Mon Jul 28 09:30:01 EST 2003 09:30:01 up 14 days, 1:33, 2 users, load

Re: [newbie] Intro

2003-07-27 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Mon, 2003-07-28 at 02:11, burns wrote: > gee, I'm terribly sorry, but I didn't see any 'fees', but I might get a few > 'foes' if I don't, eh? So how much are these 'fees' and what was the address > to send them to? Will you take cash, all in coin of course, pennies to be > exact.. LOL >

[newbie] aumix not working

2003-07-27 Thread Mike Adolf
After I installed 9.1 a while ago, I used aumix to uncheck Mute All, and the sound worked. Next time I booted it was check on again. I unchecked it, saved, quit aumix, started it again and it was ckecked again. Went round and round with aumix with no luck. NOW it won't even come up. Run from K

Re: [newbie] Intro

2003-07-27 Thread burns
LOL How new am I? Just born! I have a USB connected JamCam, and I have installed the gtkam through Control center, in multimedia/graphics, I now have GTkam. I have set my JamCam, and gtkam says it has received 4 frames, but there are no thumbnail images, nada. So now I wait for some p

Re: [newbie] Intro

2003-07-27 Thread Aron Smith
On Sunday 27 July 2003 03:49 pm, Stephen Kuhn wrote: > On Sun, 2003-07-27 at 21:23, burns wrote: > > Hi, just climbed aboard, wanted to try this out to see if I have the > > technic right.. > > > > thanks > > > > larry > > Did you pay the initial MDK Newbie Email List Fee? > (Payable to ME - either

Re: [newbie] Intro

2003-07-27 Thread burns
gee, I'm terribly sorry, but I didn't see any 'fees', but I might get a few 'foes' if I don't, eh? So how much are these 'fees' and what was the address to send them to? Will you take cash, all in coin of course, pennies to be exact.. LOL larry On July 27, 2003 10:49 pm, Stephen Kuhn wrot

Re: [newbie] Gnome recent open documents

2003-07-27 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Mon, 2003-07-28 at 00:27, DrewMartin wrote: > Hi all, > How do remove the list of recently open documents from the Gnome > start menu? > I'm using 2.2 with MDK 9.1 It's a "One Step" process. 1st step: remove Gnome -- Mon Jul 28 08:55:00 EST 2003 08:55:00 up 14 days, 58 min, 2 users

Re: [newbie] mbr question

2003-07-27 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Mon, 2003-07-28 at 03:06, crak600 wrote: > i know that in order for the mbr to be rewritten properly by linux in a dual > boot system, the ms-win OS of choice must be installed before doing a linux > install. but if i go and format out my ms-win OS and reinstall it (i'm using > win98), will

[newbie] Bad Signutures

2003-07-27 Thread Aron Smith
Any body know why the cryptographic keys are not found for so many packages from mandrake lately? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com

Re: [newbie] Intro

2003-07-27 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Sun, 2003-07-27 at 21:23, burns wrote: > Hi, just climbed aboard, wanted to try this out to see if I have the technic > right.. > > thanks > > larry Did you pay the initial MDK Newbie Email List Fee? (Payable to ME - either by cheque, money order or credit card) -- Mon Jul 28 08:45:00 EST

Re: [newbie] Reply-to list was [Bin files]

2003-07-27 Thread Carroll Grigsby
On Sunday 27 July 2003 01:18 pm, Greg Meyer wrote: > > I had just found a reply-to list button myself in the kmail toolbar > configurator thingamagiggie (is that technical enough terminology for the > newbie list?). I didn't use it in this case, but I had already added it to > my toolbar. Thanks

Re: [newbie] Intro

2003-07-27 Thread Dennis Myers
On Sunday 27 July 2003 07:40 am, burns wrote: > On July 27, 2003 07:07 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: > > On Sunday 27 Jul 2003 12:23 pm, burns wrote: > > > Hi, just climbed aboard, wanted to try this out to see if I have > > > the technic right.. > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > larry > > > > Welcome aboard

Re: [newbie] Intro

2003-07-27 Thread Bill Winegarden
hi Larry, It seems that the camera is supported by gphoto2. If you did a multimedia install, it should be under . Run the program and it should be fairly intuitive setting up the cam. The website is... http://www.gphoto.org Once the pics are retrieved you can manipulate them with a numb

Re: [newbie] Reply-to list was [Bin files]

2003-07-27 Thread Eric Huff
> I had just found a reply-to list button myself in the kmail toolbar > configurator thingamagiggie (is that technical enough terminology for > the newbie list?). I didn't use it in this case, but I had already > added it to my toolbar. When i was using kmail, i actually mapped it to the normal

Re: [newbie] OT: ad blocking

2003-07-27 Thread Eric Huff
> Isn't it easier to simply suppress popups (Moz) or use smart denial of > popups (Konq)? For popups that is probably true, assuming you are using moz or konq. But this was for ads that don't popup. Some sites i go to have flashy ads that make page scrolling jumpy just because the animation is ru

Re: [newbie] Mozilla and Java

2003-07-27 Thread John Richard Smith
Derek Jennings wrote: On Sunday 27 Jul 2003 5:37 pm, John Richard Smith wrote: Having installedMozilla1.4 off the texstar site how does on get the full pluggins as well especially Java ? John Open your Mandrake software manager and type mozilla in the search box. Now you have texstar de

Re: [newbie] mbr question

2003-07-27 Thread Greg Meyer
On Sunday 27 July 2003 01:06 pm, crak600 wrote: > i know that in order for the mbr to be rewritten properly by linux in a > dual boot system, the ms-win OS of choice must be installed before doing a > linux install. but if i go and format out my ms-win OS and reinstall it > (i'm using win98), will

Re: [newbie] Intro

2003-07-27 Thread burns
On July 27, 2003 07:07 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: > On Sunday 27 Jul 2003 12:23 pm, burns wrote: > > Hi, just climbed aboard, wanted to try this out to see if I have > > the technic right.. > > > > thanks > > > > larry > > Welcome aboard, Larry. Looks OK to me > > Anne I have a digital camera, (jamc

Re: [newbie] Rosegarden install and Yamaha .mid file load

2003-07-27 Thread The Other
John Richard Smith wrote: If there is nothing suitable installed then I need to try to build a yamaha sound font of my own. I suppose there must be some somewhere on the yamaha keyboard itself , I wonder where they are and if I could access them.Just trying to think of some easy way to get it ri

Re: [newbie] Intro

2003-07-27 Thread Anne Wilson
On Sunday 27 Jul 2003 12:23 pm, burns wrote: > Hi, just climbed aboard, wanted to try this out to see if I have > the technic right.. > > thanks > > larry Welcome aboard, Larry. Looks OK to me Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com

Re: [newbie] OT: ad blocking

2003-07-27 Thread Eric Huff
> > I use the hosts file to block ads during web browsing. > > > I'd be interested in this - do you have a URL where I can RTFM? http://7deadlysins.ath.cx/files.php#hosts is where i got it from. More similar lists http://www.smartin-designs.com/ Here's the notes that came with the one i got ori

Re: [newbie] OT: ad blocking

2003-07-27 Thread Inhabitant of Zion
> > > > Do you use it in combination with spaam assassin or procmail? > > I use the hosts file to block ads during web browsing. > I'd be interested in this - do you have a URL where I can RTFM? -- John Willby Registered Linux user number 321644 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 92791912 18:26:06

Re: [newbie] OT: ad blocking

2003-07-27 Thread Miark
Isn't it easier to simply suppress popups (Moz) or use smart denial of popups (Konq)? Miark On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 22:41:34 -0700, Eric Huff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have been trying out a technique for ad-blocking i saw on slash-dot: > someone made a huge list of common ad-sites and made a

Re: [newbie] mbr question

2003-07-27 Thread Miark
Mike > ..will the mbr be rewritten and i won't be able to get back into linux? Correct. > and if that does happen, how do i get the mbr re-written so i can access > linux again? Pop in your Mandrake CD 1. At boot press F1 for more options. Type "rescue" at the prompt. You'll get a list of

[newbie] Intro

2003-07-27 Thread burns
Hi, just climbed aboard, wanted to try this out to see if I have the technic right.. thanks larry Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com

[newbie] Reply-to list was [Bin files]

2003-07-27 Thread Greg Meyer
On Sunday 27 July 2003 12:41 pm, Eric Huff wrote: > > I just noticed that this never made it to newbie because tsyko has a > > reply-to set, so I am forwarding it now for future reference. > > After i gave up trying to tell everyone about this, i realized that > kmail & sylpheed (at least) have a w

[newbie] IEEE 1394 (FireWire/i.Link) and DVD-RAM/CD-RW

2003-07-27 Thread James Henry Maiewski
Hello, My Creative Audigy soundcard has an IEEE 1394 connection, and something about it is detected when I boot [ML9.1]. www.linux1394.org (as well as Xconfig) tell me that the IEEE 1394 module is "experimental," and the list of device drivers seems far from exhaustive (although this m

Re: [newbie] emacs has bash "builtins"

2003-07-27 Thread Aron Smith
On Sunday 27 July 2003 09:30 am, Eric Huff wrote: > > EMACs ? you are hard core : ) > > Kinda funny, i guess. I probably only use .01% of it's ability, but i > love it. > > I learned emacs way back in undergrad: it was available on the vax in > physics where i worked and the hp unix machines in E

Re: [newbie] Rosegarden install and Yamaha .mid file load

2003-07-27 Thread Richard Urwin
On Sunday 27 Jul 2003 6:44 pm, John Richard Smith wrote: > First off I have a via 8233 sound chip on this machine, it's not a > sound blaster type of PCI device. > Mandrake sets it up under ALSA, and franky I generally don't like to > mess with it these days, as, touch wood, it seems fairly solid n

Re: [newbie] mbr question

2003-07-27 Thread Eric Huff
Here was a response i got about this awhile ago. Doesn't help you too much, but it's a data point. Hopefully someone else will have a better answer. eric > > I have also run XP in > > another partition, and crashed it often, then reinstalled it, and it > > has never reworked the MBR, just put its

RE: [newbie] Logitech Marble Mouse

2003-07-27 Thread Daniel
I tried with the generic wheel mouse and it did not work. Maybe there is a driver I will tried to search for one. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aron Smith Sent: 25 juillet 2003 21:52 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Logitech Ma

[newbie] mbr question

2003-07-27 Thread crak600
i know that in order for the mbr to be rewritten properly by linux in a dual boot system, the ms-win OS of choice must be installed before doing a linux install. but if i go and format out my ms-win OS and reinstall it (i'm using win98), will the mbr be rewritten and i won't be able to get back

Re: [newbie] Bin files

2003-07-27 Thread Eric Huff
> I just noticed that this never made it to newbie because tsyko has a > reply-to set, so I am forwarding it now for future reference. After i gave up trying to tell everyone about this, i realized that kmail & sylpheed (at least) have a way to get around this. I set kmail to "reply to list" with

Re: [newbie] OT: ad blocking

2003-07-27 Thread Eric Huff
> > So now, almost always, i am spared the flashes, pictures, etc of > > ads. Less download time and less eye clutter. > > > > I'll send the hosts file if anyone is interested > > Do you use it in combination with spaam assassin or procmail? I use the hosts file to block ads during web browsing

Re: [newbie] Documentation on drakePerm?

2003-07-27 Thread Derek Jennings
On Sunday 27 Jul 2003 5:14 pm, Avi Schwartz wrote: > Hi, > > I just installed Mandrake Linux 9.1 for the first time (I have used > other distros for years now) and I am trying to get used to the way to > do things in Mandrake. > > Anyway, the permissions set on my system currently make /usr/share/d

Re: [newbie] emacs has bash "builtins"

2003-07-27 Thread Eric Huff
> EMACs ? you are hard core : ) Kinda funny, i guess. I probably only use .01% of it's ability, but i love it. I learned emacs way back in undergrad: it was available on the vax in physics where i worked and the hp unix machines in EE where i studied. Plus, the local computer guru was an emacs

Re: [newbie] Rosegarden install and Yamaha .mid file load

2003-07-27 Thread John Richard Smith
Very many thanks Richard, Richard Urwin wrote: On Sunday 27 Jul 2003 3:59 pm, John Richard Smith wrote: I used urpmi to install rosegarden from contrib. There were a number of additional issues I think I resolved successfully though I'm not entirely sure. However on first use I get, [EMAIL PR

Re: [newbie] Wine

2003-07-27 Thread Robin Turner
Lee Wiggers wrote: All this wine talk made me curious enough to install the latest and try to run the last program keeping me with a windows box. Act! Problem: I installed the RPM wine-20030618-mdk9.1.i586.rpm without a problem. Now..How do I configure and use the program? I know, RTFM

[newbie] File icon for torrents

2003-07-27 Thread Jure Repinc
Hi all I'm looking for some nice KDE and GNOME icons for torrent files. Does anyone know where could i get them? Thanks in advance. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com

Re: [newbie] Installing on a SCSI system

2003-07-27 Thread Ronald J. Hall
On Sunday 27 July 2003 12:21 am, Guy Rouillier wrote: > Well, that is not true for Buslogic (nee Mylex) controllers, at least > the one I have (BT-948C.) There is a setting in there for "bootable > CD-ROM", and it must be enabled in order to boot from a CD **if the > CD-ROM is SCSI**. Obviously,

Re: [newbie] OT: ad blocking

2003-07-27 Thread magnet
On Sunday 27 Jul 2003 6:41 am, Eric Huff wrote: > I have been trying out a technique for ad-blocking i saw on slash-dot: > someone made a huge list of common ad-sites and made a hosts file where > the names get sent to 0.0.0.0 > > So now, almost always, i am spared the flashes, pictures, etc of ads

Re: [newbie] Linux frindly printers

2003-07-27 Thread Anne Wilson
On Sunday 27 Jul 2003 9:12 am, Maureen L. Thomas wrote: > > I use a HP OfficeJet G85 and everything works execpt the fax. I > just hook the fax to my phone line when I need it. Otherwise it > prints great, copies great, and scans great. Could you add this info to the HardwareCompatibility page

Re: [newbie] printing problem

2003-07-27 Thread Anne Wilson
On Saturday 26 Jul 2003 11:21 pm, Dennis Myers wrote: > On Saturday 26 July 2003 05:06 pm, owenb wrote: > > This is a recent development. > > When I try to print I get the following message. > > Catastrophe! - KNotify > > A print error occurred. > > Error message received from system. > > Error whi

Re: [newbie] Linux frindly printers

2003-07-27 Thread Maureen L. Thomas
Rob Blomquist wrote: On Saturday 26 July 2003 10:19 am, Aron Smith wrote: Has anyone had any success setting up multi function devices? (eg. printer-fax-copier-scanners with linux) there are some great deals on refurbished HP equipment around. Check out www.linuxprinting.org and be ready

Re: [newbie] emacs has bash "builtins"

2003-07-27 Thread Aron Smith
On Saturday 26 July 2003 10:34 pm, Eric Huff wrote: > I just stumbled on this: > > If you are editing a shell script (ie if it starts with #!/bin/sh) in > emacs (gnu 21.2), > it has helper sections for inserting for loops, if statements, etc. > (insert menu) > > Could be useful when you're getting