On Saturday 29 November 2003 10:06 pm, aron wrote:
Anybody said vim yet?
EMACS ;-)
So you want to start do you? Time to choose your side boys and girls. Okay,
I'll make the first move.
VI is just so much more intuitive :-p
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On Sunday 20 July 2003 02:05 pm, Brooks Family wrote:
Hi all. I've got Mandrake 9.1 and I'm currently using Gnome2.2 for my
desktop. However, I've noticed that there are a lot more things that
seem to be written for KDE (themes, applications, etc.). What makes KDE
so much more popular than
On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 07:35:12 -0400
Greg Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
You might as well have asked Which is
better: VI or Emacs?
ok, i want you to go home, forget you ever said that, and pray for your
immortal soul. you have uttered the question that must not be uttered.
may god have
On Mon, 2003-07-21 at 21:35, Greg Meyer wrote:
On Sunday 20 July 2003 02:05 pm, Brooks Family wrote:
Hi all. I've got Mandrake 9.1 and I'm currently using Gnome2.2 for my
desktop. However, I've noticed that there are a lot more things that
seem to be written for KDE (themes, applications,
On 21 Jul 2003 23:06:24 +1000
Stephen Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
..or pico
loove pico!
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++
15:49:00 up 8:13, 2 users, load average: 0.11, 0.11, 0.13
A priest advised Voltaire on his death bed to
loove pico!
If you love pico you will absolutely adore Nano since it is
also Free Software
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On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 22:33:24 +0200
Anders Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
If you love pico you will absolutely adore Nano since it is
also Free Software
Isn't it pretty much the same? or are there additional features?
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On Tue, 2003-07-22 at 05:49, JoeHill wrote:
On 21 Jul 2003 23:06:24 +1000
Stephen Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
..or pico
loove pico!
Sure ya ain't got the munchies and you're thinking of PICANTE?
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On Monday 21 July 2003 05:35 pm, JoeHill wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 22:33:24 +0200
Anders Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
If you love pico you will absolutely adore Nano since it is
also Free Software
Isn't it pretty much the same? or are there additional features?
Nano is free, pico is
On Thu, 06 Feb 2003 20:32:02 -0900
civileme [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But really I have always felt trapped in these discussions. I don't
Me too!!
believe there is really enough common ground to compare them. emacs
is easier to get started with thanks to the tutorial built in, and vi
is
OK... so whats the real diff between those 2 editors which
one is more
newb friendly? If neither is newbie friendly, well name
something that
is and is more or less standard on most *nix's.
How about GEDIT if you have X working or PICO if in CLI???
Rob
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On Mon 2003-02-10 at 17:31:26 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...]
Ok, but how do you turn on number lines insise Emacs. If I've coding in
Java and the compiler tells me I've got an OutOfBoundsException on line
4893 I don't want to have to count 1,2,3... from the top if the page, ya
know?
On Mon, 2003-02-10 at 16:36, Robert Wideman wrote:
OK... so whats the real diff between those 2 editors which
one is more
newb friendly? If neither is newbie friendly, well name
something that
is and is more or less standard on most *nix's.
How about GEDIT if you have X
On Monday 10 February 2003 08:14 pm, FemmeFatale wrote:
On Mon, 2003-02-10 at 16:36, Robert Wideman wrote:
OK... so whats the real diff between those 2 editors which
one is more
newb friendly? If neither is newbie friendly, well name
something that
is and is more or
On 10 Feb 2003 18:14:39 -0700
FemmeFatale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, 2003-02-10 at 16:36, Robert Wideman wrote:
OK... so whats the real diff between those 2 editors which
one is more
newb friendly? If neither is newbie friendly, well name
something that
is and is more or
On Mon, 2003-02-10 at 18:58, Todd Slater wrote:
In ROX, right-click the file, Set run action, and type the name (or full
path if the app isn't in your path) of the program you want to use. I use
gedit for quick edits in gui. You can also drag and drop the executable to
if you prefer.
There
Ok, but how do you turn on number lines insise Emacs. If I've coding in
Java and the compiler tells me I've got an OutOfBoundsException on line
4893 I don't want to have to count 1,2,3... from the top if the page, ya
You should break up your source files :) 4 lines is way too big
:).
On Monday 10 February 2003 06:21 pm, FemmeFatale wrote:
On Mon, 2003-02-10 at 18:52, et wrote:
right about here I like to suggest jed for it's resembalance to dos edit,
and it is command line/console, plus I like the name
Hm... I have that somewhere on here I think... Thx Ed.
FF
civileme wrote:
On Thursday 06 February 2003 06:46 pm, Mark Weaver wrote:
Anders Lind wrote:
OK I just read some stuff about VI Emacs. Now I'm not one for super
complex editors of text. Having said that I realize it behooves me
(Correct context for behooves? sp!?) to learn one or the
Benjamin Pflugmann wrote:
On Tue 2003-02-04 at 21:21:06 -0900, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[... cool overview about available editors ...]
If I am on a desktop and I need a quick edit, I usually grab for
kedit, but any heavy work is emacs unless it is a sudoers file in
which case a special variant
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On Thu, 2003-02-06 at 11:32, FemmeFatale wrote:
*giggles* Mike: I'd love to say theres no flames cause I put my foot down
in the subject line. I can't say that though cause this list really is
civil most days.
OMG, did i start a flame war for the Canadians? HEHE. How funny.
Rob
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Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 7:24 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] Vi vs Emacs... Not a flamewar!!! Any
On Friday 07 February 2003 11:34 am, Angus Auld wrote:
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From: FemmeFatale [EMAIL PROTECTED]
At 09:32 PM 2/6/2003 -0500, you wrote:
On Thursday 06 February 2003 09:21 pm, Robert Wideman wrote:
Wouldnt they just be called Canadians? Thats what i have always
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From: Carroll Grigsby [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Friday 07 February 2003 11:34 am, Angus Auld wrote:
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From: FemmeFatale [EMAIL PROTECTED]
At 09:32 PM 2/6/2003 -0500, you wrote:
On Thursday 06 February 2003 09:21 pm, Robert
Sleep is good...
Just had 11 hours of it, thanks.
Rob
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matter which machine I'm on in the future (be it a friends with linux on it
who's fubared X, or my own) I can edit files cfgs quickly painlessly.
Then vi should be worth learning. No matter what system you are going
to work on - as long as it is Unix - vi is almost guaranteed to be
there. If
On Wednesday 05 February 2003 08:13 pm, David E. Fox wrote:
matter which machine I'm on in the future (be it a friends with linux on
it who's fubared X, or my own) I can edit files cfgs quickly
painlessly.
Then vi should be worth learning. No matter what system you are going
to work on
On Thu, 2003-02-06 at 11:32, FemmeFatale wrote:
*giggles* Mike: I'd love to say theres no flames cause I put my foot down
in the subject line. I can't say that though cause this list really is
civil most days.
And the ppl are great too! :)
-
FemmeFatale
...and HOW can
...and HOW can you say that this list is civil? We have Canucks in here,
that isn't civil...(g)
Heyas a halfcanuck I take offense to that ;o) *grins*
Cheers
Anders
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On Thursday 06 February 2003 01:55 pm, FemmeFatale wrote:
At 09:28 AM 2/6/2003 -0900, you wrote:
On Wednesday 05 February 2003 08:13 pm, David E. Fox wrote:
matter which machine I'm on in the future (be it a friends with linux
on it who's fubared X, or my own) I can edit files cfgs
At 02:56 PM 2/6/2003 -0900, you wrote:
snap. got tired of snip
man sed
man regexp
A regular expression is something like
^[K][k].*retry\ [[:lower:]]
Which would match lines starting with K or k and have retry followed by a
space and lowercase characters
It allows for REALLY advanced searches
On Thursday 06 February 2003 06:56 pm, civileme wrote:
On Thursday 06 February 2003 01:55 pm, FemmeFatale wrote:
At 09:28 AM 2/6/2003 -0900, you wrote:
On Wednesday 05 February 2003 08:13 pm, David E. Fox wrote:
matter which machine I'm on in the future (be it a friends with
linux
On Thursday February 6 2003 04:21 pm, Anders Lind wrote:
What is a Canuck?
It could be two things actually, one that cheers for the NHL-team
Canucks, but
in this case Stephen means an inhabitant of Canada.
/Anders
Mostly the ones north of the Great Lakes, and to the east, where
most
Down here in TX, we call the rest of 'em to the west ... *real*
cowboys (and cowgirls ;)
HEHE, understandable, i am in Austin.
Rob
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: [newbie] Vi vs Emacs... Not a flamewar!!! Any flames will
be ignored
What is a Canuck?
It could be two things actually, one that cheers for the
NHL-team Canucks,
but
in this case Stephen means an inhabitant of Canada.
/Anders
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Anders Lind
Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 4:21 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] Vi vs Emacs... Not a flamewar!!! Any flames will
be ignored
What is a Canuck?
It could be two things actually, one that cheers
On Thu 2003-02-06 at 14:56:31 -0900, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thursday 06 February 2003 01:55 pm, FemmeFatale wrote:
[...]
Thx CM. Question: what are regular expressions ? And sed? Heard of
it... but no clue what it is... I'll look it up later. The regular
expressions has me stumped
The origin of Canuck as I understand it came from a little
known (when it
started) TV series called SCTV. It was a series/sitcom that
poked fun at
Canadians our culture.
Many good comedians came out of that program got their start
there. (John
Candy, RIP; Gilda Radner; G.? Levy; the
On Wed, 05 Feb 2003 22:40, Jan Wilson wrote:
snip
Many people use less than 1% of the capabilities of a text editor.
I have seen people who noticed they left out a word at the beginning
of the paragraph, and backspaced over the whole paragraph to add the
word, then typed the rest of the
On Tue 2003-02-04 at 21:21:06 -0900, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[... cool overview about available editors ...]
If I am on a desktop and I need a quick edit, I usually grab for
kedit, but any heavy work is emacs unless it is a sudoers file in
which case a special variant of vi called visudo is
On Wed, 5 Feb 2003 07:07:11 +0100
Anders Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] insightfully noted:
snippage
Now young lady, you are in trouble LOL, Vi vs Emacs that is a provoking
subject.
Personally I prefer Vi of those two, but it is because it is smaller and
faster then
Emacs (I don't need another
On Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 10:54:52PM -0700, FemmeFatale wrote:
OK... so whats the real diff between those 2 editors which one is more
newb friendly? If neither is newbie friendly, well name something that is
and is more or less standard on most *nix's. For the moment I'm leaning to
Emacs
* FemmeFatale [EMAIL PROTECTED] [030205 01:27]:
[snip]
edit files on any system. I realized a while back those 2 editors are
standard to Any *nix environment.
I believe that emacs is not always installed, even though it is
probably available for almost all OSes and distributions. It isn't
* civileme [EMAIL PROTECTED] [030205 01:27]:
vi has some extensions like vile that allow editing multiple files so emacs
has no real advantage there any more. emacs though does split windows one or
more times to allow several files to be on screen at once.
vim and its graphic version gvim
Jan Wilson wrote:
* FemmeFatale [EMAIL PROTECTED] [030205 01:27]:
[snip]
edit files on any system. I realized a while back those 2 editors are
standard to Any *nix environment.
I believe that emacs is not always installed, even though it is
probably available for almost all OSes and
I've tried learning vi but dealing with the modes and such really put me
off and the tutorials I found weren't written very well. Maybe I'll try
again at some point, since vi seems so universal, but for now I mostly
stick with kedit or emacs to do file editing.
The main thing I like about emacs
have
to learn how it works and then you will understand and use it much faster.
Rob
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of cervixcouch
Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 8:10 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] Vi vs Emacs
On Wed, 5 Feb 2003 10:32:49 -0600, Robert Wideman
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Personally, I love VI. I used PICO first but found VI easier to deal
with
sometimes. Also, quit trying every text editor out there. Just use one
and
one only.
Thats what i did with VI, and i only know about 10
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of cervixcouch
Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 11:09 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [newbie] Vi vs Emacs... Not a flamewar!!! Any flames will
be ignored
On Wed, 5 Feb 2003 10:32:49 -0600, Robert
Don't tell me quit trying every text editor out there. I'll try out as
many text editors as I care to and there's NOTHING wrong with that.
Never said there was.
You tried one and stuck with it? well bully for you!
Bully for me? WTF does that mean? Must be a European saying!?!?
Now why
On Wed, 5 Feb 2003 11:18:59 -0600, Robert Wideman
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Dood, your taking it the wrong way. I wasnt telling you what to do.
I know
how everyone else is and i am the same way. I dont learn something
unless i
stick with one way to do it. If i try 5 different ways to do
suggestions?
Rob
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of cervixcouch
Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 11:37 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [newbie] Vi vs Emacs... Not a flamewar!!! Any flames will
be ignored
On Wed, 5 Feb 2003 11
On Wed, 5 Feb 2003 11:49:35 -0600, Robert Wideman
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Cant we all just get along instead of misinterpreting suggestions?
Rob
Fine.
An avalanche of un-birthday Linux-kisses for everyone!
smmmooc!!!
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At 04:40 AM 2/5/2003 -0500, you wrote:
What a truly civil list we have here! A *discussion* of the relative merits
of these two hallowed editors (some would say emacs is more a desktop
environment than mere editor ;o) ), without a bitter flaming contest.
`course, it is rather early.. |8^)
At 03:40 AM 2/5/2003 -0600, you wrote:
Large Emacs size snip
I would recommend vi or vim for anyone who does a lot of text editing
(as opposed to word processing) and is willing to learn the basics
(a good basic tutorial should take 30 minutes or less) and then
gradually pick up more
At 12:42 PM 2/5/2003 +0200, you wrote:
snipped Jan's post
Jan makes a good point - it depends on what you want to do. If by edit
files you just mean opening a file and making a few changes here and
there, then pico (or nano) exists on just about any Unix-type server, and
is really easy to
On Wednesday 05 February 2003 12:20 pm, Robert Wideman wrote:
Don't tell me quit trying every text editor out there. I'll try out as
many text editors as I care to and there's NOTHING wrong with that.
Never said there was.
You tried one and stuck with it? well bully for you!
Bully for
vi is visual editor (improved) and it was wonderful as a replacement for ed
where an arcane key combo wrote out part of a line so you could correct a
typo on a later part of same line
vi is light (relatively speaking) and loads fast. It is a useful editor and
for some it is lovable. I
OK I just read some stuff about VI Emacs. Now I'm not one for super
complex editors of text. Having said that I realize it behooves me
(Correct context for behooves? sp!?) to learn one or the other so I can
edit files on any system. I realized a while back those 2 editors are
standard
OK I just read some stuff about VI Emacs. Now I'm not one for super
complex editors of text. Having said that I realize it behooves me
(Correct context for behooves? sp!?) to learn one or the other so I
can
edit files on any system. I realized a while back those 2 editors are
standard to
On Tuesday 04 February 2003 08:54 pm, FemmeFatale wrote:
OK I just read some stuff about VI Emacs. Now I'm not one for super
complex editors of text. Having said that I realize it behooves me
(Correct context for behooves? sp!?) to learn one or the other so I can
edit files on any system.
On Tuesday 04 February 2003 10:23 pm, civileme wrote:
On Tuesday 04 February 2003 08:54 pm, FemmeFatale wrote:
OK I just read some stuff about VI Emacs. Now I'm not one for super
complex editors of text. Having said that I realize it behooves me
(Correct context for behooves? sp!?) to
Of Zane Minninger
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 7:13 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [newbie] vi settings
I am using vi at the command prompt. I'm not that proficient
at it yet but
MDK 8.2 had the right directory for the help file. The
installation for
9.0 that I just installed
I am using vi at the command prompt. I'm not that proficient at it yet but
MDK 8.2 had the right directory for the help file. The installation for
9.0 that I just installed gives me an error, can't find help.txt in
/home/tv/ETC/help.txt. Where can I change where the program looks for
Hi, all,
Once I run vi, it complains that 'vi: Symbol `ospeed' has different size
in shared object, consider re-linking'. Is there any way to solve this?
Thank you,
/Jun
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Hello All,
I have a couple of questionshopefully you
will be able to answer them ;-)
1) When I use VI on Unix, in order to get the
system command, I hit Shift-Q, then I can write, quit,
etc. However, when I do this, I don't get the system
command. Also, when I ssh into my
this may be a little late but you can set commands used in the colon mode to be
there upon startup by placing them in your $HOME/.exrc file. my .exrc file contains
two entries
set number
set nobackup
i placed nobackup there as i get irritated with all the redundant filename~ files
which i
Thank Q
Best Regards,
SKLIM
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: [newbie] vi - ?
ctrl-g displays the current line number...
Jason
At 09:32 AM 12/15/01 +0800, you wrote:
Hi! What
On Friday 14 December 2001 20:32, SKLIM wrote:
Hi!
What is the vi command for view the files with no. of line ..
:set nu
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From: SKLIM
To: Linux Newbie
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 9:32
AM
Subject: vi - ?
Hi!
What is the vi command for view the files with
no. of line ..
Best
Regards,SKLIM
:set nu
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From:
SKLIM
To: Linux Newbie
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 8:32
PM
Subject: [newbie] vi - ?
Hi!
What is the vi command for view the files with
no. of line ..
Best
Regards,SKLIM
Thank Q ...
I have try it ..it work ...
Best Regards,
SKLIM
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 12:11 PM
Subject: Re: [newbie] vi - ?
On Friday 14 December 2001 20:32, SKLIM wrote:
Hi!
What is the vi
Victor,
Have you tried reinstalling VI from the RPM? If that doesn't fix it, then
I would install the VI/VIM RPM from the 7.1 CD.
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Hello,
In others distro of linux I was able to use the arrow keys when editing a
file with vi.
Now I have installed Mandrake 7.2, but when editing a file with vi I am not
able to
use the arrow keys because control character appears.
Does anyone knows how to resolve this problem?
Do I need the
On Tue, 12 Dec 2000, Victor M. Moreno wrote:
Hello,
In others distro of linux I was able to use the arrow keys when editing a
file with vi.
Now I have installed Mandrake 7.2, but when editing a file with vi I am not
able to
use the arrow keys because control character appears.
Very strange... I
Crazy notion, but maybe your TERM environment variable is wrong?
Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 12 Dec 2000, Victor M. Moreno wrote:
Hello,
In others distro of linux I was able to use the arrow keys when editing a
file with vi.
Now I have installed Mandrake 7.2, but when editing a
Hello and help!
Since I upgraded to 7.1, I noticed that vi has all kinds of colors in the
text. Now I pulled a webpage (linux.htm) into vi, and I can't read most of
it anymore.
I am colorblind, and there are lots of dark colors in it. I really can't
make out what is what anymore.
Can someone
I'm sorry I don't use VI, but I've read something about not including it
anymore and that it's actually some kind of enhanced VIM? (The added
colors, etc that you're talking about). Anyway, I've just searched
linuxberg and can't find a download, but possibly there's a way to turn off
the syntax
Why not just make things easy on yourself and load an earlier version of
VI from an older Linux distro like RH6.0 or 6.1. Those didn't ship the
release of VI VIM that supported colored syntax. Would/might be a little
easier and less time consuming for you if you're not too familiar with VI
Paul wrote:
Hello and help!
Since I upgraded to 7.1, I noticed that vi has all kinds of colors in the
text. Now I pulled a webpage (linux.htm) into vi, and I can't read most of
it anymore.
I am colorblind, and there are lots of dark colors in it. I really can't
make out what is what
On Sun, 16 Jul 2000, Victor Richardson wrote:
This page has na list of multiple VI doc pages;
http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/vi/#docs
I'm not sure if this is an answer but, the VIM homepage (
http://www.vim.org ) states:
..snip..
At least give it a try,
Will do so. Thanks for the
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