At 05:26 AM 2/10/00 -0600, you wrote:
Agree wholeheartedly with Vic. Windows is "glitzier" than Linux, at least
for now, but
stability is the "driver" for me.
Unfortunately, there do seem to be ease-of-use issues with Linux, X, and
KDE. A few K apps have quirks/warts and a couple have actual
On Feb 08, Paul Derbyshire wrote:
C'mon, Paul, tell us what you *really* think -- don't sugar-coat it...
;-)
it's the fact that they're still using clunky DOS code in their operating
system that makes it suck.
Here are the problems.
major snippage
-Michael
--
No, my friend, the way to
At 03:06 AM 2/10/00 -0500, you wrote:
At 01:03 AM 2/10/00 -0600, you wrote:
If anyone reads this, then it should be obvious that this particular piece
of software, Microsoft's Outlook Express, does work.
Outlook Exploder pseudo-works. Sometimes you might manage to read a few
messages and even
Jaguar wrote:
So what your saying is anyone who praises M$ is a M$ spy
(climbs up soap box)
nope.
that's not what i claim.
however, from my experience and EVERYONE ELSE i know who regularly uses M$, it is
highly
improbable that any M$ installation could ever be called 'stable',
It does?!?!?!?!??
I have not ever seen nutscrape do that, it just exits and
my unix box sits there like---uhh ok.
On Tue, 08 Feb 2000, Paul Derbyshire mewed:
At 03:50 PM 2/8/00 -0600, you wrote:
I think what would really rock is if when an app crashed it would
run a small app triggered
Is Konqueror stable and in rpm form yet?
On Tue, 08 Feb 2000, Dan Ferris mewed:
Lets see, I use Netscape 99% of the time, even on Windows. The Netscape
for Linux is bloated and not terribly stable, but it has more featurs
than anything else out there.
I also use KFM/Konqueror, and Amaya.
Hi Marku
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From:
Mark
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Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2000 11:00
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Subject: Re: [Re: [newbie] what web
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So
Just my 2 cents also.
The main reason I went from M$ to Linux is that I was getting
tired of throwing a tantrum and screaming when my winbloze
crashed and froze the machine, I have zero tolerance for such malfunctions,
and can get very loud, and I admit it, so I ditched winbloze and had to
Netscape for Windows does it. I haven't seen NS for Linux do it though and
don't think it does...
DvB
On Wed, 9 Feb 2000, Vic wrote:
It does?!?!?!?!??
I have not ever seen nutscrape do that, it just exits and
my unix box sits there like---uhh ok.
On Tue, 08 Feb 2000, Paul
At 09:20 AM 2/9/00 -0500, you wrote:
nope.
that's not what i claim.
however, from my experience and EVERYONE ELSE i know who regularly uses
M$, it is highly
improbable that any M$ installation could ever be called 'stable',
'reliable' or 'dependable'.
[much deletia]
I agree with you so far!
At 11:25 AM 2/9/00 -0600, you wrote:
It does?!?!?!?!??
I have not ever seen nutscrape do that, it just exits and
my unix box sits there like---uhh ok.
4.5+ does, at least on 'doze.
--
.*. "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not
-()circles, and bark is not
Derbyshire [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 6:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Re: [newbie] what web browser do you all use?]
| At 09:20 AM 2/9/00 -0500, you wrote:
|
| nope.
| that's not what i claim.
| however, from my experience and EVERYONE ELSE i know who
At 01:03 AM 2/10/00 -0600, you wrote:
If anyone reads this, then it should be obvious that this particular piece
of software, Microsoft's Outlook Express, does work.
Outlook Exploder pseudo-works. Sometimes you might manage to read a few
messages and even get one sent off before it decides to
Mark Sheppard wrote:
What web browser does everyone use with Linux?
I hate to say it, but the main reason I keep booting back to windows every
couple hours is because the NS version that comes with Mandrake just totaly
blows, and If I want to view any web pages I have got to have a decent
At 01:13 PM 2/7/00 -0500, you wrote:
What web browser does everyone use with Linux?
I hate to say it, but the main reason I keep booting back to windows every
couple hours is because the NS version that comes with Mandrake just totaly
blows, and If I want to view any web pages I have got to have
At 02:25 PM 2/7/00 -0500, you wrote:
And here is MS's official page on it which actually says IE5 with Outlook5
which would be very nice to see for Linux too.
http://www.microsoft.com/unix/ie/default.asp
I am growing more nauseous with each message I read in this thread. These
M$ apps are so
. Netscape 5)
Konqueror (a KDE browser that will implement Java and security as well as be
a file browser among other things)
Read about them on the internet.
HTH,
Matt
From: "Mark Sheppard" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [newbie] what w
. Netscape 5)
Konqueror (a KDE browser that will implement Java and security as well as be
a file browser among other things)
Read about them on the internet.
HTH,
Matt
From: "Mark Sheppard" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [newbie] what w
I have never had MS IE5 crash...
4.1 did quite a bit, but not near as much as NS.
I can deal with an occasional crash if the browser will display pages how
they were meant to be seen.
and let me customize how I want things to display.
zach
I am growing more nauseous with each message I read in
At 01:18 PM 2/8/00 -0500, you wrote:
I have never had MS IE5 crash...
You must have been charmed or blessed then, or had a priest bestow special
blessings on your copy of IE5 when you played a role playing game, or
something. After all, I can think of no *rational* explanation for your
IE may crash every once in a while, but it's a whole whole lot stabilier than
Linux's Netscape. That thing crashes about once a hour, whereas IE might crash
once a day at most. Sure, it doesn't bring down the whole system when Netscape
crashes, but it is an annoyance and sometimes after it
MS _software_ isn't all bad, it's the fact that they're still using clunky
DOS code in their operating system that makes it suck.
Win NT isn't too bad. It's pretty stable in most cases... drivers tend to
mess up the kernel and network apps that are "part of the os" have the
potential to crash
saaa
yours and mark sheppard's responses wouldn't have anything to do with 'road runner'
(that rr.com email address) being a business affiliate of microsoft, would it?
i mean, you do realize if that is why then this constitutes as spam?
and you do realize what it says about spamming on
Notice, of course, that you're comparing IE running on WINDOWS (which, by
the way, is a Microsoft product) to Netscape running on LINUX. How do you
know that Microsoft won't screw their browser up when they port it just
like Netscape did?
Is anyone out there running IE on Solaris or HP-UX? If
Speaking of browsers, sorry for the dumb question, I wonder why
Mozilla runs so slow? I know it will crash because its still a baby
but is it due to all the features and it just needs to be run on
a superfast machine? I have a AMD K6-3 400 with 64Mb sdram
and its sluggish on that.
On Tue, 08
At 04:15 PM 2/8/00 -0500, you wrote:
IE may crash every once in a while, but it's a whole whole lot stabilier than
Linux's Netscape. That thing crashes about once a hour, whereas IE might
crash
once a day at most.
Someone else with a charmed copy of IE! Interesting, it seems copies might
be
I think what would really rock is if when an app crashed it would
run a small app triggered by the main app's segfault that
would take up a bugreport and send it automatically via either
e mail or remote ftp per the user's request, making bug reports
eaiser
On Tue, 08 Feb 2000, Mark Sheppard
At 03:33 PM 2/8/00 -0600, you wrote:
MS _software_ isn't all bad...
You dirty, lousy, no-good Microsoft apologist.
:-)
it's the fact that they're still using clunky DOS code in their operating
system that makes it suck.
Here are the problems.
1. 16 bit code here and there. Lots of gnarly
At 03:50 PM 2/8/00 -0600, you wrote:
I think what would really rock is if when an app crashed it would
run a small app triggered by the main app's segfault that
would take up a bugreport and send it automatically via either
e mail or remote ftp per the user's request, making bug reports
eaiser
Lets see, I use Netscape 99% of the time, even on Windows. The Netscape
for Linux is bloated and not terribly stable, but it has more featurs
than anything else out there.
I also use KFM/Konqueror, and Amaya.
Unfortunatly, I admit to some use of Internet Explorer. What a piece of
crap that
What? Does it disturb you that I don't think Netscape is the o' so holy browser
God and that Microsoft could actually have a good product? Oh heavens no!
And as far as I know, RoadRunner does not have any affliation with MS, nor am
I a MS employee, or even personally know anyone who works
rr.com is RoadRunner, which is Time Warner ( a little upset that they are
involved with the deCSS thing)
but I don't know of them having any affiliation with MS...
I certainly don't have any affiliation with them..
I am just not prejudiced against software because of the name... If a
product
At 08:12 PM 2/8/00 -0500, you wrote:
In any case, I'll likely be happy with Opera, if it lives up to its Windows
version.
Shame on you, seriously considering using closed-source stuff *and paying
actual money for it, and not just for shipping and distribution media at
that*!
--
.*. "Clouds
At 08:35 PM 2/8/00 -0500, you wrote:
Oddly, while I have had any number of complaints about
Windows NT since having to use it at work, it has never
once completely crashed, and IE has never so much as had
a lockup (as Netscape 4.7 does every day, but STILL not
as much as earlier versions). I
So what your saying is anyone who praises M$ is a M$ spy
(climbs up soap box)
Sorry to burst your bubble...but M$ still does alot of things better than any
'nix does. Consider the uses of D3D, DVD, USB and many other devices that M$
directly supports NOW...it is mostly in ALPHA or BETA right
So what your saying is anyone who praises M$ is a M$
spy(climbs up soap box)Sorry to burst your bubble...but M$
still does alot of things better than any'nix does. Consider the
uses of D3D, DVD, USB and many other devices that M$directly supports
NOW..
You are basically right.
What web browser does everyone use with Linux?
I hate to say it, but the main reason I keep booting back to windows every
couple hours is because the NS version that comes with Mandrake just totaly
blows, and If I want to view any web pages I have got to have a decent
browser.
are there any
On Mon, 07 Feb 2000, you wrote:
What web browser does everyone use with Linux?
I hate to say it, but the main reason I keep booting back to windows every
couple hours is because the NS version that comes with Mandrake just totaly
blows, and If I want to view any web pages I have got to have
i have to agree... although i am anti-Micro$oft, i despise
netscape. especially the mail client. IE is easy to use, and especially
on linux, no THAT system demanding... just my thought ;o) seth
On Mon, 7 Feb 2000, Mark Sheppard wrote:
What web browser does everyone use with Linux?
I
I've been to about 45 Linux pages today, I'll go through my history and
see if I cant find it again.
...well give me a few on that... but a quick search on go.com turned this
up:
http://www.sunworld.com/swol-11-1997/swol-11-ie4.html
Where did you see the IE port to unix?
rgds:
Mike
And here is MS's official page on it which actually says IE5 with Outlook5
which would be very nice to see for Linux too.
http://www.microsoft.com/unix/ie/default.asp
...well give me a few on that... but a quick search on go.com turned this
up:
you can find it at http://www.microsoft.com/ie/unix/ie40 and should be
there...
Harold
Mark Sheppard wrote:
I've been to about 45 Linux pages today, I'll go through my history and
see if I cant find it again.
...well give me a few on that... but a quick search on go.com turned this
up:
Mark Sheppard wrote:
And here is MS's official page on it which actually says IE5 with Outlook5
which would be very nice to see for Linux too.
http://www.microsoft.com/unix/ie/default.asp
...well give me a few on that... but a quick search on go.com turned this
up:
No it isn't
On Mon, 07 Feb 2000, Harold Hartley mewed:
you can find it at http://www.microsoft.com/ie/unix/ie40 and should be
there...
Harold
Mark Sheppard wrote:
I've been to about 45 Linux pages today, I'll go through my history and
see if I cant find it again.
...well
Yes, it's been discussed before, Netscape for Linux blows and there's
not much else if you want to view flash or javascript content. I often end
up using Windows to view web pages that make Netscape crash.
As to alternatives that may be available in the future, there's Mozilla
which is entering
Yeah, it does sound good. They don't have a release date though... I think
it's important not to stop supporting the open source browsers out there
while we wait for Microsoft's vaporware.
If Microsoft does release IE for Linux and it's a good product, great, but
meanwhile I plan to assume that
Mark Sheppard wrote:
What web browser does everyone use with Linux?
I did see that there is an IE port to unix available, and a possible linux
port in the works.
N don't do it! What makes you think the UNIX version of
IE will be any more stable than the Win32ver. (or
Speaking of Mozila, I wonder why it is so slllowww?
On Mon, 07 Feb 2000, Anthony Huereca mewed:
I use Netscape, as it's the closest thing to IE on Linux. I agree though,
Netscape blows, and I'd do almost anything to get IE on here. Mozilla looks
sorta promising, but it's much too
all, why did most of us
convert from Windoze,... freedom
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From: David van Balen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, 8 February 2000 9:39am
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Yeah, it does sound good. They don't have
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