Today, Renee Davis, Marge Gorton and I traveled to Westchester to pick up some
year birds. We birded a number of locations, but the best part was arriving
just prior to the capture of the immature female Rufous Hummingbird at Lenoir
Nature Preserve. We had forty species for the day and nice lo
Alan et al.,
The birds in your photo are hybrids of barnyard x Canada Geese. Note the
large size (larger than Canada) and heavy build of the birds. The Canada Goose
face pattern is distinct. Pink-footed Geese are smaller than a Canada Goose.
Further, there has been a group (4-6 ind.) of
Arlene Borko and I got out for some early morning birding yesterday. No
Red-throated Loons nor Bonaparte's Gulls today. We did find about three dozen
Snow Buntings at the Neversink Reservoir, and a nice first year NORTHERN SHRIKE
on Clements Road near Liberty. Other waterfowl numbers were abo
Last nights storm and today's wind brought many birds to Sullivan County. This
afternoon I birded all the hot spots in the county. Yankee Lake, Swan Lake,
Kiamesha Lake and a few others. Red-throated Loon is rare in the county and
these were my first in several years. Fortunately, Scott and
Lance Verderame just called to tell me the Northern Wheatear is still present
at the same location by the black culvert pipe where it was found yesterday.
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This morning, Rob Stone found a NORTHERN WHEATEAR at Wallkill Wildlife
Management Area on Oil City Road in Orange County. The bird is frequenting the
dirt road across the street from the viewing platform. It is quite far in the
back as of this writing. Go past the deer hunting stand on the ri
This morning while conducting the Summitville Hawk Watch, at 11:10 am I noticed
two gulls coming at me over the first nob northeast of the tower. As the birds
got closer, I realized something wasn't right. They were neither Herring nor
Ring-billed Gulls, our most common at the site. They had
This morning, Lance Verderame, Danny Messina and I birded the Bashakill.
Finally, there was a good flight of birds and the flooding, rain and winds did
not hamper us from seeing the birds. We had a total of about 50 species.
Highlights included Bay-breasted and Cape May Warbler as well as Nor
This morning, I went to Pine Island to see if the front brought in any new
birds. I was pleasantly surprised to find many new birds. While watching
American Golden Plover, Buff-breasted Sandpiper and a briefly seen RED-NECKED
PHALAROPE, I spotted four HUDSONIAN GODWITS. These birds were in a
I spent a good part of the day birding the above area. Water levels had
unfortunately increased rather than receded. That left less shorebird habitat
in some spots. Turtle Bay was good as was Onion Avenue. Missionlands Road was
the best spot this morning. I had nothing really exciting, but
First, Skinner Lane is completely inaccessible at this time. There is no word
on any of the birds that were seen there. Hopefully the water will begin to
recede since we had no rain overnight. Over at Turtle Bay Road off of Co Rt
12, shorebirds continued in somewhat lower numbers but with exc
First, let me apologize for being remiss with directions. Sometimes I forget
not everyone knows the area, since I post about it so much. I have been
running back and forth a lot, and just post as I get the chance. Thanks to Jim
and Michael for providing some good directions. UPDATE: as of 3
An amazing assemblage of shorebirds were present on Skinner Lane in Orange
County this morning the most notable of which was the continuing RED PHALAROPE.
At least a dozen birders viewed the bird during the hour and half I was
present this morning. I had a total of sixteen species this morning
This afternoon, Barry Babcock found a phalarope on Skinner Lane in Orange
County. Rob Stone called to let me know they were looking at it, trying to
determine the exact ID. I once again zoomed down to Orange and found the bird
easily viewed from Skinner Lane. I was able to get a few photos of
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Subject: [Mearnsbirdclub] Orange County Shorebirds!
In response to Ken McDermott's post from last night, I headed to the Black Dirt
Region of Orange County this mornin
An exciting day of birding in Sullivan County at Morningside Park and Apollo
Plaza with a good number of birds coming in on the storm. Highlights included
SEVEN BLACK TERNS!! This is a county record! I was able to reach Arlene Borko
and Scott Baldinger who were able to come over and see the b
This afternoon, I couldn't resist returning to Morningside to see if any new
shorebirds came in during the heavy rains. I didn't find any new shorebirds,
but a basic plumage BLACK TERN and a Double-crested Cormorant were nice adds
to the mix. John Haas
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Shorebird numbers are finally starting to pick up in the county. Here are the
high counts over the weekend and this morning from Sullivan County Community
College and Morningside Park.
Semi-palmated Plover - 3
Killdeer - 17
Spotted Sandpiper - 5
Solitary Sandpiper - 3
Lesser Yellowlegs - 2
Sem
Renee Davis, Marge Gorton and I traveled from Sullivan County early this
morning to try for the GHGU. We arrived shortly after 9 am and were told it
hadn't been seen yet today. We waited with many others for over four hours,
when at 1:20 the bird showed up. It gave great views to all who were
The Bashakill White Ibis was not seem today. John Haas
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Scott Baldinger just called to report that he was at Haven Road at 6:15 this
morning looking for the White Ibis. At 6:35 as he watched westward, the bird
flew in directly overhead from the east. It flew over him and directly on down
the Bashakill, eventually going down in approximately the sam
This morning at 10 am I found a juvenile WHITE IBIS at the Bashakill. I made
several calls as the bird was flying around the marsh a lot and settled in
several spots over the next hour and a half. I good some poor shots that at
least identify the bird. I finally reached Arlene Borko 45 minute
The birds initially reported by Rob Stone all continue today at the Wallkill
National Wildlife Refuge. The juvennile White Ibis, Sandhill Crane, Vesper
Sparrow and Sedge Wren were all present and seen this morning. One new shot on
my blog. John Haas
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This morning I received a call from Ken McDermott informing me he had located
the Juvenile White Ibis found by Rob Stone yesterday. I went right down and
together with Carol Weiss and Scott Baldinger was able to view the bird. It is
very difficult to see while on the ground, but twice while I
It was a real mixed bag at the Bashakill today. We have had three days of
torrential rains at the worst possible time. Common Moorhen eggs should have
been hatching in the next couple of days. When I arrived at the Bashakill
around 9 am I found Haven road under a foot of water. This means the
In my ongoing efforts to obtain as much information on our marsh birds this
year as possible, I have been kayaking the Bashakill the last couple of weeks
to add to the information I get for the "Bird Studies Canada Marsh Monitoring
Program". This has been very productive. Today while I was kay
First, Andrew, thank you for your post. Secondly, this topic has been raised
many times before. Many subscribers enjoy posting relatively casual
observations to the list and many of these observations have resulted in
interesting dialog that has been informative to others. It seems that it is
Today, 6/3/11, I kayaked the Channel at the Bashakill from Westbrookville to
the Pine Boat Launch. It took me about four and half hours and was quite
rewarding. I wasn't sure how the birds had fared overall since our floods a
couple of weeks ago. Here are the highlights of my trip:
American
This morning at 10am, Rob Stone called to inform me that he had just found five
BLACK-BELLIED WHISTLING DUCKS off Oil City Road at the Wallkill NWR. Myself
and many others from both Orange and Sullivan Counties were able to get there
to see these great birds. I was able to view several of thei
Haven Road was jumping again this morning. Lance Verderame called early to
tell me he had found a WHITE-RUMPED SANDPIPER on the road. Several of the
local birders were able to get over to see it and an array of other birds.
Here are the highlights:
American Bittern - 1
LEAST BITTERN - 1
Virg
After a day of no birds yesterday, who would believe what would happen today.
I decided to leave the county for the day (really?) and bird Ulster and Orange
counties. The Bashakill has been flooded for days and access has been very
limited. I first went to Blue Chip Farms to spruce up my Ulst
A descent fallout took place overnight at the Bashakill. I ended the morning
with 19 species of warbler. The highlight of these were at least 25 BLACKPOLL
WARBLERS on the Scotch Pines in the parking lot for the Orchard and Stop Sign
Trail. I also had about two dozen Magnolia Warblers between th
Torrential rains today did not deter the hearty birders in the area. Many were
out early (not me) and tipped me off to a reasonable fallout on the Nature
Trail and Stop Sign Trail at the Bashakill. I personally only had a dozen
species of warbler, highlighted by a nice Tennessee Warbler. Most
Sullivan County held it annual "Break-a-hundred Day" weekend from 5/13 through
5/15. Considering that the weather was not the best, some rain each day and
heavy rain on Sunday, it was a great success. 157 species were seen in total
by the seven teams that scoured the county. Highlights includ
This afternoon, while birding Linear Park at the end of McDonald Road, I had
an abundance of birds. The neatest thing about it was that a huge Quince bush
located about sixty feet off the trail had more birds than I have ever seen in
one blooming bush. Eleven Baltimore Orioles, One Orchard Or
Arelen Borko, Lance Verderame and I were out early this morning, but birding
was somewhat slower at the Bashakill. The number of birds was down from the
last two days, but diversity was good. I personally had 16 species of Warbler
including two new for the year and know that at least two speci
Since there are a number of field trips taking place in the area over the
weekend, I thought I would update folks on what is being seen. Today I had 16
species of warbler between the two above locations. This was not exceptional,
but I missed a number of birds that were reported by others. An
I have been touting South-southwest storms for years, and they didn't
disappoint today. I got out very early and hit all the water spots first,
knowing if the rain stopped things might pull out. Great birds were in many
locations. I birded Kiamesha Lake, Morningside Park, Neversink Reservoir
Having just returned from a three week trip to Arizona last evening, I couldn't
wait to get out this morning to see some of the great stuff my friends have
been getting the last five days or so. This morning was not what I was hoping
for since I awoke to thunder and lighting and torrential rain
On January 3, 2011, I was observing Evening Grosbeaks and Common Redpolls at
Sue Rayano's feeders up-county when I received a call from Arlene Borko. She
informed that a woman we know called to say she had an unknown bird under her
feeders for the last three mornings and she can not figure out
Just a quick note about the status of the geese in Orange County today. This
morning, Rob Stone reported that there were almost no Snow Geese to be found in
the Black Dirt region. I happened to be in Sullivan County this morning (who'd
have guessed). Tremendous numbers of geese were flying ov
The Snow Goose numbers seemed somewhat down to me this morning. I believe
there were only about 5,500 Snows split between three locations. Onion Ave
initially had about a 1,000 birds. They were distant and I was unable to make
out anything other than a number of Blue Morphs. The Onion Farm o
Below I have updated the list with sightings from Andy Egan, Richard Fried,
Scott Baldinger and Rob Stone. Note the last paragraph. At least (9) Ross's
Geese were present with the possibility of (10) or more. John Haas
Rare Goose Records:
Orange County event and historical high counts
Dave Tetlow's record of (9) Ross's Geese has been added to the list
Historical High Record Counts in New York State:
Greater White-fronted Goose:
- 13 Braddock Bay , Monroe County, 6-13 March 1980 Bull’s Birds of NYS
- 12 Orange County Black Dirt Region, 4 March 2011 JH, RS
Due to my ignorance on the status of Ross's Goose, I gave the miss-impression
that records for this species should be submitted to NYSARC. This is in fact
incorrect and no reports are required for this species regardless of number. I
was aware of the Greater White-fronted Goose status, but tho
A great deal of flooding, and perhaps the hunting yesterday has made the Snow
Goose flock very skittish today. I spent a great deal of time pursuing them
with no luck. When they finally landed, they were so distant that it was
impossible to ID anything. I just got a call from Scott Baldinger
I would like to thank everyone who provided input over the last couple of days.
I was able to access all the resources recommended and came up with some
interesting information. One thing I think bears repeating is Kevin McGowan's
statement about any of our bird records. If we don't report th
Another great day today in Orange County. A flock of 7-8,000 Snow Geese at the
Pine Island Turf Nursery included at least 22 Blue Geese. The stars of the day
though were (3)Three ROSS' GEESE!! One adult and one juvenile white birds were
great finds, but later, Curt McDermott found a BLUE PHAS
This afternoon around three pm, well after I had left (I've got to stop
leaving!) Rob Stone called to tell me the massive Snow Goose flock had
resettled in the Turf Nursery. After an extensive search he found a ROSS'
GOOSE! I zoomed down as fast as possible, but just before I got there
everyt
The goose Bonanza continued this morning in the Black dirt region of Orange
County. I went directly to the Camel Farm this morning where I immediately
located eight (8) Greater White-fronted Geese! The birds were in my opinion
two family groups of four. There were four adults and four immatur
Yesterday, after I left Rob Stone and Bob Cotter, Rob found EIGHT Greater
White-fronted Geese at the Camel Farm just off lower road near Pine Island. He
shortly found a ninth GWFG at the Turf Nursery. (a definate record!) I couldn't
go back, but went down first thing this morning. There were
Today around noon, Rob Stone, Bob Cotter (?) and I were at the Wallkill NWR
Liberty Marsh watching an abundance of birds when I noticed a huge flock of
Snow Geese just east of the observation area. Rob went to try to view them
from another location while Bob and I walked out the trail opposite
Today I birded some spots in the above counties. The hot spot for the day was
the Watchtower Farms on Red Mills Road in Ulster County. The compost piles had
attracted many gulls. Nearly 300 Herring Gulls, One second winter GLAUCOUS
GULL, 21 Great Black-backed Gulls, one Adult LESSER BLACK-BAC
I had a great day of birding in the above counties today. Highlights were a
total of over 300 Horned Larks between Chester and Montgomery. Five Savannah
Sparrows at the Orange County Airport with 35 HL and one Snow Bunting and an
American Kestrel there as well. At the Shawangunk Grasslands in
One last point copied from the Kingbird ariticle where my reference to records
of birds from the Ontario program:
The first reports of Trumpeter Swans (Cygnus buccinator) in NYS were of
wing-tagged birds at Dunkirk Harbor, Chautauqua Co., in the fall of 1988. Since
that time sightings have increa
I would like to thank Willie D'Anna (infinitely more qualified than I) for
clearing up some of my impressions on the status of Trumpeter Swans. Still,
having reviewed the information, I feel NYSARC should add Trumpeter Swan to the
New York State list. This probably won't happen any time soon, b
This is a bit of a late chime in, but here is my opinion on the Trumpeter
Swans. I read with interest the discussion of Trumpeter Swans in New York
State. It has been ten years since I observed my first Trumpeter Swan in New
York, and I have had several subsequent observations since that time.
Jerry Lazarczyk came down from Grand Island, New York to see some of the birds
we've been getting in Sullivan County. The morning started with a deep freeze
@ 7 degrees. Birds were scarce at first, but as the sun warmed things up,
things started jumping. Common Redpolls continue to invade the
Arlene Borko and I birded the county in the morning on Christmas Day. We had
continued good luck with a number of birds. On Hanofee Road in Neversink, the
Common Redpoll* flock had grown to over 80 birds, and one flyover flock was
seen at the Rondout Reservoir. A dark-phase Rough-legged Haw
A bright sunny morning Friday, following Thursday's near white out conditions
with snow falling sideways in the high winds produced some great birds. A
number of birders were out around the county and while no one got all of the
birds, everyone found something good. Lance already posted his BO
Today, Renee Davis and I did something we hadn't done in a long time. We
chased birds on Long Island and we weren't disappointed. We first headed to
Jones Beach, where we were immediately greeted by the LOGGERHEAD SHRIKE,
perched right on the boardwalk just in from the entrance. It fed conti
There is a Northern Lapwing currently being seen in Storrs Connecticut. Go to
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Congratulations to both Shari and Jack for their efforts in getting the
information on the Barnacle Goose. This is great news for all of us. I hope
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Great birding again today in the county. We are having a learning experience
with the Great Cormorant. It was not seen today, but photos provided to us by
Ellie Knierieman have brought a whole new light on the bird. The Great
Cormorant has been roosting in TREES She provided us with fou
The GREAT CORMORANT had returned to his usual spot today after not having been
seen yesterday. The TUNDRA SWAN continued as well. Many Green-winged Teal, 18
American Coot, 1 Hooded Merganser, 1 Northern Pintail, 4 Mallard, 247 Canada
Geese rounded out the waterfowl. One Barred Owl was calling
The Bashakill produced many birds today. The Great Cormorant was not seen to
my knowledge, but while searching some of the back bays for the bird I found an
adult TUNDRA SWAN in a flock of Canada Geese, a number of our regular birders
were able to get to see it and it still remained when we all
Good birding continues in the county. The GREAT CORMORANT continues at the
Bashakill. I know a few people missed it during the day this weekend, it has
been hanging out in a resaca/oxbow in the channel out from the observation
tower on the "Birch Trail". If you don't want to take the hike, th
Another interesting day in Sullivan. The GREAT CORMORANT continues at the
Bashakill WMA. It was seen by at least a dozen people both this morning and
this afternoon. I am really hoping the bird survives the accelerated hunting
that takes place each weekend at this time of year. Due to the are
Another great day of birding in SC. The Great Cormorant was missing most of
the afternoon. An armada of Kayaks (at least 20 at one point) were taking
advantage of the beautiful weather and must have pushed the bird away for a
time, but late this afternoon Scott Baldinger called to say the bird
A number of us were out early this morning looking for the cormorant. Foggy
conditions hampered the search in several areas. After checking the main boat
launch we headed elsewhere. Scott Baldinger arrived a little later and spotted
the bird out from the main boat launch almost immediately.
This afternoon after work I birded the Bashakill. I birded Haven Road, The
Stop Sign Trail and the Orchard. Many sparrows were present including a number
of Fox Sparrows. Ducks seemed limited to Mallards and Woodies. It began to
rain and I headed to the Main Boat Launch in hopes of a differe
OOOPS Sorry about that. Anyway, great birding today! here is a list of the
highlights of the 62 species seen:
Northern Pintail
Ringnecked Duck
SURF SCOTER
Red-breasted Merganser
Ruddy Duck
Greater Yellowlegs
WHITE-RUMPED SANDPIPER
Swainson's Thrush
White-crowned Sparrow
Rusty Blackbird
Purpl
Seeing the forecast for today, I was hoping for another fall fallout. I was
not disappointed. I birded all the main hotspots in the county today,
including all lakes and reservoires. Many birds put down with the wind and
rain last night (those southerly storms hitting northerly winds just can
Sullivan County's streak of great birding continued over the last week. Arlene
Borko, Scott Baldinger, Lance Verderame and I had some really good birds. It
all started last weekend when we had good flights of warblers, vireos and
sparrows. Highlights included Lincoln's Sparrows and Swainson's
The storms moving in from the west this morning performed as has come to be
expected at this time of year. Many shore birds were put down at our usual
spots, affording great looks at some and good numbers of still others. Here is
a list of what Arlene Borko and I found this morning. Renee Dav
Sullivan County's streak of great birds continued today. After work this
afternoon, I found a juvenile BUFF-BREASTED SANDPIPER at Morningside Park!
This is only the second record for the county (4 birds Swinging Bridge fall
'05). This brings the shorebird total to 17 species thus far this ye
A four day weekend of birding for Scott Baldinger, Arlene Borko, Lance
Verderame and I here in Sullivan County really paid off in terms of migration
and good birds. Highlights of the weekend included 16 or more species of
warbler, including BAY-BREASTED, TENNESSEE and Palm Warblers. The big
There was evidence of some movement overnight. The warm,humid, calm conditions
still produced good birds today. A STILT SANDPIPER at Morningside Park this
morning was our first in four years in the county. Scott Baldinger was able to
get there to see it and add it to his county list. Later i
Since the topic of hummingbirds came up today, I thought some of you might
enjoy a story I picked up on Eaglechat(alaska) this morning. Hopefully the
link will work, I found it very interesting. Lets keep our eyes open locally.
John Haas
http://ebird.org/content/ak/news/rufous-hummingbird-ta
Sullivan County's streak of good birding continued today. This morning I
found a BAIRD'S SANDPIPER (good photos)at the Apollo Plaza (our second in a
week). This very cooperative bird was seen by many throughout the day. Arlene
Borko, Renee Davis, Marge Gorton and I birded both Apollo and Mor
Today I birded several of our current hot spots in the county. The
Black-bellied Plover continues, now in it's fourth day. The two Pectoral
Sandpipers continue as well, all at Morningside Park. Three Lesser Yellowlegs
were a good find as well. Most of the birds, which seemed to peak yesterd
Renee Davis and I went to Morningside Park this afternoon hoping for some new
birds. Surprisingly, there was no change overnight, nor today. Every bird
that was present last evening was still there this evening, down to the exact
count. It is unusual for a Black-bellied Plover to continue mor
Following one of the dullest periods of birding in the county that I can
remember, Birding came to life the last week or so. The Bashakill is alive
with birds following one of the best breeding seasons the marsh birds have had
in years. As many as sixteen Common Moorhens, including ten grown c
I traveled to Jamaica Bay today to try for the Black-bellied Whistling Duck. I
spent the morning searching for it to no avail. To my knowledge, the bird was
never relocated. The only bird of note I had today was a Wilson's Phalarope on
the north end of the east pond. I did not see the Americ
I went to the Bash this morning at 5:30am to see if I could see the Sandhill
when it stood. The fog was somewhat thick, but about ten feet in the air, so I
could see the spot it bedded down last night. The fog also made it a little
darker out than it would have been. At 5:50 the bird stood up
This evening, Arlene Borko and I conducted our first of three surveys for the
"Bird Studies of Canada" Marsh Bird Monitoring Surveys. When we reached our
third site, Arlene began the clock and I started calling off birds. As I
panned to my left, I was amazed to see a SANDHILL CRANE standing i
Many birders converged on the Bashakill this weekend. There were many field
trip, Big Day and Big Weekend participants. At times it was hard to get a
parking spot. I doubt anyone was disappointed. Highlights of our weekend
(Arlene Borko, Lance Verderame, Bill Fiero and I were a team) include
I was only out a few hours in the pouring rain today, but there were some good
birds found in the county. Lance Verderame found six White-winged Scoters on
Kiamesha Lake, Ken McDermott found a Black Tern on the Bashakill this morning,
and I found a Common Tern on the Bash around noon while look
Following a night of heavy rain, which continued through mid-morning, we had
another great day of birding in the county. Many birders were out today, some
of which were working on "Big Days" or "weekends". The combined list of birds
reported to me managed to just eek out 100! Highlights inclu
About a dozen birders were out today, covering both the Bashakill and Linear
Park. When we were done, we had a combined list of 97 species! (maybe more)
Highlights were a rather low 18 species of Warblers, the usual marsh birds
(Virginia Rail, American Bittern, Common Moorhen) FOS Eastern Wood
Many birders were out this morning to see if yesterdays influx would continue
today. It surpassed yesterday with ease. We had a combined list of 85
species! 17 species of warblers highlighted by Worm-eating, Cerulean, Canada,
Nashville and Northern Parula. Baltimore Orioles came in by the d
Arlene Borko, Lance Verderame, Scott Baldinger and I all covered the Bashakill
today at various times. We had a total of 70 species for the day, including
many first of the season birds. Highlights included 11 species of Warblers.
(Nashville, Blackburnian, Blue-winged etc). Other notable firs
The heavy rain and high wind served us well last night. A major fallout
occurred in most of the county. Most of the birds were water fowl. High
numbers were found on Kiamesha Lake, Yankee Lake, Morningside Park and Swan
Lake. Lesser numbers were found at the Bashakill. Here is a list of the
Every once in a while, a birding day goes so well, you just can't believe how
much you enjoy it. Arlene Borko and I started out early this morning, meeting
a group of our friends at the Bashakill. Scott Baldinger, Ed Morse, Gary
VanHouten, Ken McDermott, Steve Sckyler and a few others all got
In spite of extensive searching by a number of individuals today, neither the
Golden Eagle nor the Greater White-fronted Goose were seen. I did hear that a
Greater White-front was found in Pine Island this morning and thats only 30
miles as the goose flies. John Haas
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This afternoon I returned to the Bashakill at 3pm to see if the Golden Eagle
was still around and what else might be among the abundant waterfowl. When I
arrived, no one else was there. I scanned the marsh on both sides of the road.
On my second scan of the north side, I looked to the extreme
Yesterday at 3 pm I discovered an immature GOLDEN EAGLE off Haven Road at the
Bashakill. It swooped in from the pines near the Pine Boat Launch and joined
several immature Bald Eagles on the ice. I was able to reach a number of
birders and about a dozen came to see this cooperative bird. It
This morning at 10 am, There were 70+ Common Nighthawks over the Bashakill in
Sullivan County. The previous highest count this fall was 7 birds. I think
the rain has had them backed up and there must have been some sort of insect
flight today. Ed and Joanne Morse were with me as we watched
The bird was still present this morning, seen first early then not again until
11:40 when a couple of us got to see it for one brief flight and Kiting. John
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