Re: [osol-discuss] SUN not doing well under Oracle.

2010-06-07 Thread Matthias Pfützner
I had the same experience listening to a Red Hat guy presenting on upcoming features of Red Hat Cluster... That did remind me of what I am using for more than a decade now with Solaris Cluster... So, most of what you attribute to AIX can also be said PRO Solaris... Matthias You (bsd)

Re: [osol-discuss] SUN not doing well under Oracle.

2010-06-06 Thread Norm Jacobs
zones actually have pretty small overhead in general. The creation of an initial non-global zone can take a little time simply to install the bits (a few minutes), but after that, you can clone that zone very quickly, run your app, and destroy the clone as much as you want . Cloning a

Re: [osol-discuss] SUN not doing well under Oracle.

2010-06-06 Thread Justin Lee Ewing
So is it actually creating a partition? I mean, even a partition there are files to be copied over, etc... which takes time. Or is it more like an on demand chroot environment? that could be easily, and quickly, setup and broke down? On 06/ 5/10 09:50 PM, bsd wrote: Yes, the application

Re: [osol-discuss] SUN not doing well under Oracle.

2010-06-06 Thread Lisandro Grullon
On 06/ 4/10 08:29 PM, bsd wrote: Today I had to listen to Red Hat drone on about what is forthcoming in RHEL6. Throughout I kept yawning and thinking, I've done that in AIX since 2001 or They're only now getting that? Really, what is the draw to Linux? It reminds me of a Fisher-Price or

Re: [osol-discuss] SUN not doing well under Oracle.

2010-06-06 Thread bsd
This is taken from IBM to describe the differences: The system WPAR is much closer to a complete version of AIX. The system WPAR has its own dedicated, completely writable filesystems along with its own inetd and cron. Application WPARs are real, lightweight versions of virtualized OS

Re: [osol-discuss] SUN not doing well under Oracle.

2010-06-06 Thread Alexander
This description reminds of FreeBSD application jail... This thing would be useful in zones: the ability to say: don't install zone, just run this process in the following chroot environment with specified ip... -- This message posted from opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] SUN not doing well under Oracle.

2010-06-05 Thread Edward Martinez
Today I had to listen to Red Hat drone on about what is forthcoming in RHEL6. Throughout I kept yawning and thinking, I've done that in AIX since 2001 or They're only now getting that? Really, what is the draw to Linux? It reminds me of a Fisher-Price or Playskool operating system. How

Re: [osol-discuss] SUN not doing well under Oracle.

2010-06-05 Thread Erik Trimble
On 6/5/2010 12:42 AM, Edward Martinez wrote: Today I had to listen to Red Hat drone on about what is forthcoming in RHEL6. Throughout I kept yawning and thinking, I've done that in AIX since 2001 or They're only now getting that? Really, what is the draw to Linux? It reminds me of a

Re: [osol-discuss] SUN not doing well under Oracle.

2010-06-05 Thread Ashish Nabira
Hi All; Just one point from my side. I started with linux and then switched to Solaris. Because at that time Linux was easily available on x86. But what made me switch to Solaris, is certification was available for Solaris 8 only at that time, nearly 9 years back. Then I realized the

Re: [osol-discuss] SUN not doing well under Oracle.

2010-06-05 Thread Robert Milkowski
On 05/06/2010 09:24, Erik Trimble wrote: Sadly, I think that's really AIX's biggest weakness: there's no foot-in-the-door path. I also think that's something that Oracle really, desperately needs to avoid losing: the ability for entry-level people to get ahold of, and really, really, have

Re: [osol-discuss] SUN not doing well under Oracle.

2010-06-05 Thread bsd
My first preference for a UNIX operating system is AIX (as I'm sure anyone can figure that out by now), followed by Solaris/OpenSolaris. I'm just disgruntled by Oracle. Next on my list would be FreeBSD/OpenBSD (I've never used NetBSD). I'd prefer to never touch Linux if I didn't have to, but

Re: [osol-discuss] SUN not doing well under Oracle.

2010-06-05 Thread Erik Trimble
On 6/5/2010 8:15 AM, bsd wrote: My first preference for a UNIX operating system is AIX (as I'm sure anyone can figure that out by now), followed by Solaris/OpenSolaris. I'm just disgruntled by Oracle. Next on my list would be FreeBSD/OpenBSD (I've never used NetBSD). I'd prefer to never

Re: [osol-discuss] SUN not doing well under Oracle.

2010-06-05 Thread Fredrich Maney
On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 4:24 AM, Erik Trimble erik.trim...@oracle.com wrote: [...] Sadly, I think that's really AIX's biggest weakness: there's no foot-in-the-door path. I also think that's something that Oracle really, desperately needs to avoid losing: the ability for entry-level people to

Re: [osol-discuss] SUN not doing well under Oracle.

2010-06-05 Thread bsd
Yes, the application zone still needs the same files as a system zone, however, the application zone will be created to run a process, and when the process is finished it is destroyed. If you did a list of wpar's after the application zone was run, it wouldn't be listed. A very simplistic

Re: [osol-discuss] SUN not doing well under Oracle.

2010-06-04 Thread Matthias Pfützner
You (Edward Martinez) wrote: IBM has released AIX 6.1 with three different price levels: express edition, standard edition, and enterprise edition. The express edition costs $300 per core. Three hundred per core with the features available, GLVM, KSPK, Kernel Recovery, etc.; it is

Re: [osol-discuss] SUN not doing well under Oracle.

2010-06-04 Thread Paul Floyd
Professionals built the Titanic, amateurs the ark guess which one sank at it's time of critical? Is that the Golgafrincham ark? A+ Paul -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list

Re: [osol-discuss] SUN not doing well under Oracle.

2010-06-04 Thread Edward Martinez
Professionals built the Titanic, amateurs the ark guess which one sank at it's time of critical? Is that the Golgafrincham ark? A+ Paul LOL,wrong ark this ark http://www.barrypopik.com/index.php/new_york_city/entry/the_ark_was_built_by_amateurs_but_professionals_built_the_titanic/

Re: [osol-discuss] SUN not doing well under Oracle.

2010-06-04 Thread Edward Martinez
Not that I have any special knowledge, but I really expect the OpenSolaris 2010.06 announcement and availability to happen shortly after Oracle announces Fiscal Year results, which means in a couple of days or so. I'm hoping that enough noise has peculated up through the Sales

Re: [osol-discuss] SUN not doing well under Oracle.

2010-06-04 Thread bsd
Today I had to listen to Red Hat drone on about what is forthcoming in RHEL6. Throughout I kept yawning and thinking, I've done that in AIX since 2001 or They're only now getting that? Really, what is the draw to Linux? It reminds me of a Fisher-Price or Playskool operating system. How can

Re: [osol-discuss] SUN not doing well under Oracle.

2010-06-03 Thread Edward Martinez
Hi, I. The Linux market on the other hand is becoming very over loaded with folks and servers. What that means at the end of the day is lower profit margins for vendors and lower wages for workers. Seems like times have changed. Linux professionals are currently in high demand and they

Re: [osol-discuss] SUN not doing well under Oracle.

2010-06-03 Thread Edward Martinez
On 06/ 1/10 11:59 PM, Edward Martinez wrote: I just read AMD opterons and Linux is powering the worlds fastest supercomputer. If the x86 platform and Linux now has the capacity to produce this type of results, where does this leave Power and SPARC platfroms?

Re: [osol-discuss] SUN not doing well under Oracle.

2010-06-03 Thread Владимир Новосельцев
03.06.2010 14:01, Edward Martinez пишет: On 06/ 1/10 11:59 PM, Edward Martinez wrote: I just read AMD opterons and Linux is powering the worlds fastest supercomputer. If the x86 platform and Linux now has the capacity to produce this type of results, where does this leave

Re: [osol-discuss] SUN not doing well under Oracle.

2010-06-03 Thread bsd
Matrurity of Linux That is a funny mix of words, and certainly not how I would conjoin them. Consider SLES9 was released only a few years ago, yet with an ext3 filessytem you cannot grow it online! In AIX 3.2, circa 1995, you could grow a filesystem online. A supposedly modern operating

Re: [osol-discuss] SUN not doing well under Oracle.

2010-06-03 Thread Bruno Sousa
Well, despite i agree with you to a certain degree don't you think you are being a little bit unbalanced towards IBM tech? Despite the fact that Linux does indeed lacks some things, it also provides quite a huge amount of enterprise features but for a fraction of the price of AIX. It's like

Re: [osol-discuss] SUN not doing well under Oracle.

2010-06-03 Thread Edward Martinez
03.06.2010 14:01, Edward Martinez пишет: On 06/ 1/10 11:59 PM, Edward Martinez wrote: I just read AMD opterons and Linux is powering the worlds fastest supercomputer. If the x86 platform and Linux now has the capacity to produce this type of results, where does

Re: [osol-discuss] SUN not doing well under Oracle.

2010-06-03 Thread bsd
IBM has released AIX 6.1 with three different price levels: express edition, standard edition, and enterprise edition. The express edition costs $300 per core. Three hundred per core with the features available, GLVM, KSPK, Kernel Recovery, etc.; it is more bang-for-the-buck than you would

Re: [osol-discuss] SUN not doing well under Oracle.

2010-06-03 Thread Uros Nedic
is approaching end. Uros NedicBelgrade, Serbia Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 06:34:56 -0700 From: mindbende...@live.com To: opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] SUN not doing well under Oracle. IBM has released AIX 6.1 with three different price levels: express edition

Re: [osol-discuss] SUN not doing well under Oracle.

2010-06-03 Thread Svein Skogen
On 03.06.2010 14:54, bsd wrote: IBM has released AIX 6.1 with three different price levels: express edition, standard edition, and enterprise edition. The express edition costs $300 per core. And how well does AIX run on hardware with no RS6000 or PowerPC processor? //Svein --

Re: [osol-discuss] SUN not doing well under Oracle.

2010-06-03 Thread Edward Martinez
style type=text/css !-- .hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body.hmmessage { font-size: 10pt; font-family:Verdana } -- /style The ark has been developed by the men led by God's hands, hasn't it? Professional above all professionals! (no irony, no sarcasm) Since bsdfan in the comment before

Re: [osol-discuss] SUN not doing well under Oracle.

2010-06-03 Thread bsd
Part of AIX's strength is that is runs on dedicated hardware, so what you ask means nothing. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] SUN not doing well under Oracle.

2010-06-03 Thread Erik Trimble
On 6/3/2010 5:06 AM, Edward Martinez wrote: 03.06.2010 14:01, Edward Martinez пишет: On 06/ 1/10 11:59 PM, Edward Martinez wrote: I just read AMD opterons and Linux is powering the worlds fastest supercomputer. If the x86 platform

Re: [osol-discuss] SUN not doing well under Oracle.

2010-06-03 Thread Erik Trimble
On 6/3/2010 11:45 AM, bsd wrote: Part of AIX's strength is that is runs on dedicated hardware, so what you ask means nothing. Not so much that it runs on dedicated hardware, but that it runs on *well-designed* hardware. You can build *well-designed* hardware with commodity parts, but

Re: [osol-discuss] SUN not doing well under Oracle.

2010-06-03 Thread David Brodbeck
On Jun 3, 2010, at 4:19 AM, bsd wrote: Matrurity of Linux That is a funny mix of words, and certainly not how I would conjoin them. Consider SLES9 was released only a few years ago, yet with an ext3 filessytem you cannot grow it online! In AIX 3.2, circa 1995, you could grow a

Re: [osol-discuss] SUN not doing well under Oracle.

2010-06-02 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
This is very true. At the same time there has to be a fine balance between operations and engineering support. Products should be easy enough for operations to get the day-to-day work accomplished, but have enough flexibility and control for experts to get under the hood for tuning and

Re: [osol-discuss] SUN not doing well under Oracle.

2010-06-01 Thread Svein Skogen
On 01.06.2010 05:42, Alan Coopersmith wrote: Edward Martinez wrote: I don't know where you got the idea that IBM has frozen development of the POWER architecture I was quoting the article. i think it's mention in the eightieth paragraph the link to the article:

Re: [osol-discuss] SUN not doing well under Oracle.

2010-06-01 Thread Edward Martinez
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/05/27/idc_q1_2010_se rver_nums/ Which if read in context did not say that Solaris, HP-UX or AIX were frozen, just that *if* that happened, then Linux would gain more market share. The non-misleading in-context quote is: It is hard to imagine Linux

Re: [osol-discuss] SUN not doing well under Oracle.

2010-06-01 Thread Octave Orgeron
mindbende...@live.com To: opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org Sent: Tue, June 1, 2010 6:59:57 AM Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] SUN not doing well under Oracle. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/05/27/idc_q1_2010_se rver_nums/ Which if read in context did not say that Solaris, HP-UX or AIX were frozen

Re: [osol-discuss] SUN not doing well under Oracle.

2010-06-01 Thread Oscar del Rio
On 06/ 1/10 07:59 AM, Edward Martinez wrote: I just read AMD opterons and Linux is powering the worlds fastest supercomputer. If the x86 platform and Linux now has the capacity to produce this type of results, where does this leave Power and SPARC platfroms?

Re: [osol-discuss] SUN not doing well under Oracle.

2010-06-01 Thread John Plocher
On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 8:33 AM, Oscar del Rio del...@mie.utoronto.ca wrote: Solaris achieved a world record TPC-H 3 TB non-clustered performance result of 188,229.9 q...@3000gb with a price of $20.19/q...@3000gb. Translated : for $3,800,361.60 you can buy a lot of whatever you want,

Re: [osol-discuss] SUN not doing well under Oracle.

2010-06-01 Thread bsd
The market for supercomputers is vastly different than the commercial market. Even though Linux is used on supercomputers, it isn't an off-the-shelf version that companies purchase from Red Hat or Novell to run commercial applications. There is also truth in what Octave mentioned in the supply

Re: [osol-discuss] SUN not doing well under Oracle.

2010-06-01 Thread Ian Collins
On 06/ 1/10 11:59 PM, Edward Martinez wrote: I just read AMD opterons and Linux is powering the worlds fastest supercomputer. If the x86 platform and Linux now has the capacity to produce this type of results, where does this leave Power and SPARC platfroms?

Re: [osol-discuss] SUN not doing well under Oracle.

2010-06-01 Thread Octave Orgeron
*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* - Original Message From: Ian Collins i...@ianshome.com To: Edward Martinez mindbende...@live.com; Open Solaris opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org Sent: Tue, June 1, 2010 3:18:21 PM Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] SUN not doing well under Oracle. On 06/ 1/10 11:59 PM, Edward

Re: [osol-discuss] SUN not doing well under Oracle.

2010-06-01 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
[...] At the end of the day, it probably makes sense for Oracle to focus on the mid-range to high-end for SPARC. If Oracle can make Containers, LDoms, and DSDs as easy to manage as VMware.. that could change the game. Making all this great technology more accessible will help grow business.

Re: [osol-discuss] SUN not doing well under Oracle.

2010-06-01 Thread Octave Orgeron
@opensolaris.org Sent: Tue, June 1, 2010 10:05:27 PM Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] SUN not doing well under Oracle. [...] At the end of the day, it probably makes sense for Oracle to focus on the mid-range to high-end for SPARC. If Oracle can make Containers, LDoms, and DSDs as easy to manage as VMware

[osol-discuss] SUN not doing well under Oracle.

2010-05-31 Thread Edward Martinez
I'm beginning to get a hunch why Oracle is mum about OpenSolaris. Can't stop the sinking ship Oracle needs to make Sun's once-dominant UNIX server business a success to justify the $7.4 billion price tag attached to the acquisition. Critics of the deal noted from the start that this wouldn't

Re: [osol-discuss] SUN not doing well under Oracle.

2010-05-31 Thread Erik Trimble
On 5/30/2010 11:03 PM, Edward Martinez wrote: I'm beginning to get a hunch why Oracle is mum about OpenSolaris. Can't stop the sinking ship Oracle needs to make Sun's once-dominant UNIX server business a success to justify the $7.4 billion price tag attached to the acquisition. Critics of

Re: [osol-discuss] SUN not doing well under Oracle.

2010-05-31 Thread Uros Nedic
Subject: [osol-discuss] SUN not doing well under Oracle. I'm beginning to get a hunch why Oracle is mum about OpenSolaris. Can't stop the sinking ship Oracle needs to make Sun's once-dominant UNIX server business a success to justify the $7.4 billion price tag attached to the acquisition

Re: [osol-discuss] SUN not doing well under Oracle.

2010-05-31 Thread Edward Martinez
I don't know, those number are from Gartner and they don't look like speculation,they can be correct The server segments varied as well. x86-based servers grew 25.3 percent in units and 32.1 percent in revenue. RISC/Itanium Unix servers were not positive, with declines of 28.5 percent in

Re: [osol-discuss] SUN not doing well under Oracle.

2010-05-31 Thread Erik Trimble
On 5/31/2010 12:05 AM, Edward Martinez wrote: I don't know, those number are from Gartner and they don't look like speculation,they can be correct The server segments varied as well. x86-based servers grew 25.3 percent in units and 32.1 percent in revenue. RISC/Itanium Unix servers

Re: [osol-discuss] SUN not doing well under Oracle.

2010-05-31 Thread Edward Martinez
Once again, quarterly revenue drop was due mostly to one-off events. And, as pointed out elsewhere, hardware revenue for this market segment is a significantly smaller chunk of total revenue than for the x64 market. That is, percentage wise, the total amount spent on the

Re: [osol-discuss] SUN not doing well under Oracle.

2010-05-31 Thread Erik Trimble
On 5/31/2010 1:16 AM, Edward Martinez wrote: Once again, quarterly revenue drop was due mostly to one-off events. And, as pointed out elsewhere, hardware revenue for this market segment is a significantly smaller chunk of total revenue than for the x64 market. That is, percentage wise, the

Re: [osol-discuss] SUN not doing well under Oracle.

2010-05-31 Thread bsd
I don't know where you got the idea that IBM has frozen development of the POWER architecture and AIX. POWER7 machines are already available and POWER6 were the first to have a decimal floating point unit on silicon. AIX 6 is out and AIX 7 is due this fall. AIX 7 will leverage 1024 threads

Re: [osol-discuss] SUN not doing well under Oracle.

2010-05-31 Thread Edward Martinez
I don't know where you got the idea that IBM has frozen development of the POWER architecture I was quoting the article. i think it's mention in the eightieth paragraph the link to the article: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/05/27/idc_q1_2010_server_nums/ -- This message posted from

Re: [osol-discuss] SUN not doing well under Oracle.

2010-05-31 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Edward Martinez wrote: I don't know where you got the idea that IBM has frozen development of the POWER architecture I was quoting the article. i think it's mention in the eightieth paragraph the link to the article: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/05/27/idc_q1_2010_server_nums/