- Original Message -
From: Dag T
Subject: Re: *ist D was not production type :-(
På fredag, 4. juli 2003, kl. 19:02, skrev Bruce Rubenstein:
Good photographers with good equipment will take better pictures than
good photographers with bad equipment.
I don´t agree. Good
I have had this scanner for about 2 months now and have only scanned slides,
and I am extremely pleased with the results. I use the software that came
with the scanner, and haven't had the time to go into custom settings, etc.
I just use the automatic settings, and it's done a remarkable job.
I
i know Canada has some very large National Parks, but i never tried comparing them in
size to a country. there is a lot of snow and ice up north that is counted as a
national park. much more flat than Greenland though Baffin Island has many mountains
too.
Herb
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Arnold wrote:
1.) The *ist D KNOWS when there is no lens in A position. It treats all lenses that
are not in A position equally. This is fine, as to enable stop down metering for all
such lenses (including srew mount and manual aperture k-mount lenses) there is no need
to distinguish between
Rüdiger wrote:
With the K-mount incompabilty Pentax is loosing their strongest marketing
argument.
REPLY:
This is a complete misunderstanding. The number of Pentax customers (as opposed to
users) who buy an slr with compatibility of more than 20 year old lenses are so few
that percentage is
Looking at my last 8 rolls of Provia, the statistics are that I
bracket for almost every still subject in order to have a copy, to
vary depth of field or try a smoother boke, and only once or twice
I did bracket for exposure. And that happened when I wasn't sure of
the compensation to
Tom, I use this kind of logic to justify shooting nothing newer
than a SuperProgram, but yesterday I fooled around with my wife's
ZX-L and experienced a tad of envy. Some of the touches on the
newer cameras, even one as basic as the -L, are really nice.
I believe they can help capture the
Pål Jensen schrieb:
A screw mount lens will be stopped down when mounted. A K/M lens will be wide open regardless of aperture set on the lens. Hence, the camera need to stop down (with a motor) when metering with the latter. How does it know it is a K/M lens and not a screw mount lens?
REPLY:
An ancestor of mine, one William White,
left England on a ship called the Mayflower
because, had he stayed, he would have been
hung. He was a horse thief. Your great-
great-great-great-great-great-great grandaddy
was undoubtably the trial judge.
This explains the family folk song passed
down to
Collin, you stole my response! lol.
Exactly what I was thinking.
collinb wrote:
At 12:02 PM 7/4/2003 -0400, you wrote:
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 11:17:12 -0400
From: tom [EMAIL PROTECTED]
God, I used to love blowing things up.
tv
Now you let your assistants do it for you? :)
Collin
Warren, is your 300/5.6 closing up to f/32? If not, you should be
concerned about underexposing with one stop when setting the
aperture from the body. This is due because the body mistakenly
takes the maximum 5.6 for 4 and will mistake every other aperture
with one stop. You can already
Yes they do, the ones with ICE/ROC/GEM will make
an attempt. ICE does scratches, ROC is for color
restoration, and GEM is for grain reduction, I believe.
I doubt that ROC does anything that you can't do in
photoshop, and there are limitations to the magic
of this sort of software. Most of the
I sallied forth on the Fourth for fireworks, as well.
Two MX's preloaded with 100 speed film, two cable
releases, a tripod, and 20/24/28/35mm primes ready
to serve between F11 and F16.
I had pre-checked location, parking, etc. I knew
exactly where to set up. My hat was lined with
aluminum foil
This has not been my experience if you use a longer lens and
keep your subject reasonably close to a wall. I like to
use a 135 prime in-doors for such shots. It always sucks
if you're using something like a 50mm and there is no close
background you'll get a subject surrounded by black every
Isn't it wide open metering a simpler solution? Theres an exposure bar in the finder;
if you set the aperture three stop from wide open, just dial in +3. Simple.
I fear that a camera manufacturer who release a camera where you have to activate the
DOF preview before metering and then note the
Hallo Pal,
I'm wondering that this group of k-mount user shall be that small. When I
read in dpreview, there are a lot of people who are writing, I will wait
for the great Pentax *istD, because than I can use my k-mount lenses.
If this group is that small why does Pentax make a software to
Another thing that crosses my mind with regard to
the *ist-D: Pentax's most advanced customers are
probably those most likely to own a few older K/M/Screw
lenses. Why would a company want to produce a _first_
digital SLR that alienates its most experienced users?
Who in his right mind wants to
Hallo Arnold,
every word is absolutly right from you.
I have the impression, Pentax has a software to prevent compability and
switch of the metering in M-mode (like on the Nikon F80).
I will cost no money at all to allow stop down metering in Av mode with Dof
or in M-mode. Funny, in the manual of
An ancestor of mine, one William White,
left England on a ship called the Mayflower
because, had he stayed, he would have been
hung. He was a horse thief. Your great-
great-great-great-great-great-great grandaddy
was undoubtably the trial judge.
This explains the family folk song passed
down to
Rüdiger wrote:
It is the gred of Pentax from preventing using K-mount lenses, but it will
not pay, the people will go to Canon or Nikon.
REPLY:
Canon and Nikon are where they are because they gave a rats ass about users of more
than 20 year old lenses. If Pentax is going to survive they have
Lon wrote:
Another thing that crosses my mind with regard to
the *ist-D: Pentax's most advanced customers are
probably those most likely to own a few older K/M/Screw
lenses. Why would a company want to produce a _first_
digital SLR that alienates its most experienced users?
REPLY:
Firstly,
I'm surprised at how bad Nikon is doing.
Steven Desjardins
Department of Chemistry
Washington and Lee University
Lexington, VA 24450
(540) 458-8873
FAX: (540) 458-8878
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dig a company report. Fabricated figures have no real meaning.
Pål Jensen wrote:
This is a complete misunderstanding. The number of Pentax customers (as opposed to users) who buy an slr with compatibility of more than 20 year old lenses are so few that percentage is not a useful way to measure
Pentax is now ready to lead Nikon in the consumer marketplace.
This year will be the FIRST year in the boom of the inexpensive
DSLR. Canon Pentax will be there in the $1200-$1500 class.
These are NEW purchases and people will need NEW lenses.
That's how money is made.
We whine too much that
Pål Jensen wrote:
Canon and Nikon are where they are because they gave a rats ass about users of more than 20 year old lenses.
Canon is where it is because they invest in RD and come up with the
right product technology at the right time. The others try to imitate
them with a 2-3 years lag
A LF camera isn't very GOOD for underwater photography, is it? I only
said good and bad, you had to go into all sorts of hardware issues. You
also left out the first part of what I said, which is introducing
hardware obscures the main point that good photographers take better
pictures than bad
The last part makes no difference. All that counts is the image. Nobody
knows, or cares how you got it.
BR
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Hi
On the other hand...
A good photographer is a person who gets good photographs - and without
getting disliked by his victims.
Don't worry Lon, if you are as old as Tom then you have the knowledge
of the ages and can use any gear you desire. If you are younger, then
you have to take a written test of Tom's (he doesn't care about a
portfolio: only theory counts) to get permission to use auto capable
cameras.
BR
Unsubscribing to go on vacation. Later!!
ERNR
You know, the funny part of teasing you is to see how you project your
insecurity on others by trying to be insulting. Take a note: it
doesn´t work.
I´m fairly native to the English language, although my writing may have
some errors as I haven´t lived in the states for some years and I
Brucey thought he was kidding grin.
1. How big is an f-stop
2. How fast does your shutter open and close when set to 125.
3. What f-stop do you have to use to have everything from 8 feet to infinity
sharp in your photography.
4. What f-stop do you need to get proper exposure with a #5 clear flash
I get Grandfathered into the Knowledge of the Ages, Old Crock
Photographers Union in September when I turn 50. I don't need your test.
BR
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Brucey thought he was kidding grin.
1. How big is an f-stop
2. How fast does your shutter open and close when set to 125.
3. What
OK, I'll take a wack at answering:
1) An f stop's hole size (radius or diameter, take your pick) depends
on focal length. f2.8 at 50mm is a smaller hole than f2.8 at 100mm. The
actual size of the hole is something I'm uninterested in.
2) A shutter set at 125 should expose some point of film to
Pål Jensen wrote:
Firstly, the premise is wrong. The most advanced Pentax users have replaced their 20 year old lenses long time ago.
Could you please define what an advanced Pentax user is, and do you
include yourself in that category ?
Sears 202 A-class 75-300 zoom with 58mm Tiffen filter
$40
Ricoh 55/2.2 normal lens.
$15
Pentax-A 70-210/4 good condition. Some play to the barrel.
$60
Ricoh KR-10M body.
$50
Will accept (even in bad shape) a Kodak 2-D in trade.
An advanced Pentax user is Pål Jensen.
BR
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Could you please define what an advanced Pentax user is, and do you
include yourself in that category ?
An advanced Pentax user is someone who has their Pentax gear under glass
as museum pieces, and takes pictures with some other brand of cameras.
BR
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Could you please define what an advanced Pentax user is, and do you
include yourself in that category ?
Pål Jensen wrote:
[...]
Lon:
Who in his right mind wants to spend more bucks for a new
plastic lens to replace old workhorses that have better
build and very good optical quality?
REPLY:
I've replaced all my K (except one), M and most A lenses because the newer lenses
have
The price of the *ist D will with a lens in Denmark exeed 3000 USD
(G)!
Jens
-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Rüdiger Neumann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 4. juli 2003 22:33
Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Emne: D-SLR poll on dpreview
Hallo
on dpreview there ist the following question:
Oh yes, You can ACTIVATE IT MANUALLY. But still the camera motor does it. I
allways have mine set to manual activated. When photographing for
conventions etc. I cant have that noise when the camera beleives it's time!!
:-)
Jens
-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Thomas Stach [mailto:[EMAIL
Pål,
Isn't it wide open metering a simpler solution?
Right, but with K- and M-lenses you need an aperture simulator coupling
ring to be able to have that. Without such ring (and I already accept
the absence of it on the *ist D as a fact) you can have metering only
for the maximum aperture
Collin, please, how is Pentax leading Nikon everyone else but Canon?
Thanks,
Joe
results until now indicate that pentax is only slightly more credible
than sigma. which ain't a surprise.
Yep. Found the code online via some thoughtful PDMLers,
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/krg/Photo/dx.htm (thanks Michael)
formatted a label in Appleworks, printed it, and covered the printed areas
with scotch tape to make sure they aren't conductive.
Reports on the success of these will be forwarded
Rüdiger wrote:
you are absolutly right, it would be technicaly no effort to allow stop
down
metering with non A lenses, or metering in DOF mode an put it in the ML
memory.
Pentax has prevented this compability by perpose.
The people shall by new lenses, but that will not work. Pentax is loosing
Oh yes.
These are the current index prices for used equipment according to
FotoMagazin i Germany. The list is on-line and called Fomag liste - prices
in Euros ( a bit more worth than a US Dollar, at the present time).
The prices are based on the actual market. In Denmark the prices used to be
Ha, In Denmark Pentax and Sigma have the same import company...
Jens
-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Caveman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 5. juli 2003 19:22
Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Emne: Re: SV: D-SLR poll on dpreview
results until now indicate that pentax is only slightly more credible
...
1. Doubles or halves the light in-let.
2. Fast enough to let as much light in as if it were totally open for 1/125
sec. (which it's not in cameras with flashsyncs slower than 1/125 sec.)
3. Check yor Hyperfocal distance table for that particular focal length
4. No clue
5. Give or take a stop
Hi Joe
...to check the file size for a certain ppi, check out www.shortcourses.com
there's a spreadsheet you can fill in. I doubt that a 6MP file (1800x1200)
can be that large.
If I'm wrong, please tell me why!
Jens
-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Joseph Tainter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I meant a 6MP CCD, of cource!
Jens
-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Jens Bladt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 5. juli 2003 22:29
Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Emne: RE: Digital Delays?
Hi Joe
...to check the file size for a certain ppi, check out www.shortcourses.com
there's a spreadsheet you
Pål Jensen wrote:
Caveman wrote:
Could you please define what an advanced Pentax user is, and do you include yourself in that category ?
REPLY:
I was replying to post about advanced Pentax customers and I replied in this context.
Since you didn't answer the question, let me try again: could you
Hi
I'd rather have a digital back for compatibility - or garanties that they
will keep making film for the next 20 years! (BTW - film sales are still
increasing world wide!)
BTW it's not Whining - it's consumers needs - a smooth (affordable)
transistion to the digital (consumer)revolution...
Jens
- Original Message -
From: Caveman
Subject: Re: Lens compatibility in perspective (WAS: Re: D-ist blurb in
AmericanPhotomagazine)
Since when did Pentax appoint you as their spokesman ?
Perhaps he looks so good waving pom poms that they had to do it.
William Robb
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From: Jens Bladt
Subject: SV: The New Marketplace
Hi
I'd rather have a digital back for compatibility - or garanties that they
will keep making film for the next 20 years! (BTW - film sales are still
increasing world wide!)
BTW it's not Whining - it's
Because this Christmas when you go shopping for a
DSLR for a gift there will be 2 prices for the enthusiast.
Only two at this point. Pentax Canon.
It's as much about marketing as about technology.
They failed in marketing by being the last out with
AF SLR. But now they're @ the forefront with
I was replying to post about advanced Pentax customers and I replied in
this context. Users who have never bought a single Pentax item new aren't
even customers and never have been. And those who bought equipment more
than 20 years ago are previous customers. Pentax doesn't really care about
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have bought a Canon Elan 7e.
Congratulations. What lenses have you eyed ?
cheers,
caveman
The whining about the lack of compatibility with lenses more than 20 years
old is equally meaningful as whining about the lack of Asahiflex
compatibility of the LX back in 1980.
There is a major difference here. SM K are completely different
physically, but we are still living in the k-mount
Hi Pål and others
The future might bring a lot of Not Pentax Users who use UDSED PENTAX
stuff. From all the people who sell out their Pentax gear. Hell, I still use
Exaktas, Topcons, Rolleiflexes... Why? Because they are really great
cameras, of course. Just like some current and discontinued
If you agree with Pål, it's about consumer needs. If you disagree, it's
whining.
Who am I? A person who spent whined.
regards,
Alan Chan
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Congratulations. What lenses have you eyed ?
cheers,
caveman
Well, lower priced Canon zooms (and primes) are probably not as good as lower
priced Pentax zooms (and primes). So I got two Tamron zooms (including the
70-300), but for USM I am eyeing the Canon 28-105 USM (I or II) or the Canon
- Original Message -
From: Alan Chan
Subject: Re: The New Marketplace
If you agree with Pl, it's about consumer needs. If you disagree, it's
whining.
Who am I? A person who spent whined.
You and me both, Alan.
William Robb
Hi William
..hmmm! I'm not gonna pick this one up! But: It's pobably too much to hope
for that some other company will make a digital body for K-mount. I mean -
Kodak made a great camera (the DCS 14n) for Nikon lenses. It would be great
if capitalism became liberal (?!), that the manufacturers
Alan wrote:
And there is the 4th category - those who keep buying Pentax products but
complaining constantly. They don't consider those are their customers either
because of the trouble (the truth doesn't really matter). They care about
your money, not the whining. And that is me. :-)
Alan wrote:
There is a major difference here. SM K are completely different
physically, but we are still living in the k-mount era, not the next
generation mount yet. The real issue is not how many years Pentax chose to
support, but they removed the coupling ring just to push the sale of
William wrote:
I don't think any company can afford to alienate a customer base, especially
when it is an also ran who is introducing new for them technology to the
market place.
REPLY:
This requires that you have customer base worth providing for. The Pentax customer
base buy entry level
Jens wrote:
Any research about age of Pentax users/buyers - or buyers of digital cameras
above 1500-2000$?
Not even Nikon bothers with this sort of compatibility in the *ist D class and they
have a old user base incredibly much larger than Pentax. Digital attracks new buyers
to a large
Jens wrote:
..hmmm! I'm not gonna pick this one up! But: It's pobably too much to hope
for that some other company will make a digital body for K-mount.
The *ist D is designed to be the platform for Pentax entry level DSLR offerings.
Hence, it doesn't offer more far reaching, expensive
Collin wrote:
Pentax is now ready to lead Nikon in the consumer marketplace.
This year will be the FIRST year in the boom of the inexpensive
DSLR. Canon Pentax will be there in the $1200-$1500 class.
These are NEW purchases and people will need NEW lenses.
That's how money is made.
We whine
- Original Message -
From: Pål Jensen
Subject: Re: Lens compatibility in perspective (WAS: Re: D-ist blurb
inAmericanPhotomagazine)
Thats not whining but justified complaints. It whining when you whine
about cameras and camera segment you have no interest in. And when it
doesn't at
- Original Message -
From: Pål Jensen
Subject: Re: Lens compatibility in perspective (WAS: Re: D-ist blurb in
AmericanPhotomagazine)
Most complains for the fun of it, it seems.
No, we complain because we are quality concious camera users who are
seriously pissed off that the camera
- Original Message -
From: Pål Jensen
Subject: Re: Lens compatibility in perspective (WAS: Re: D-ist blurb in
AmericanPhotomagazine)
William wrote:
I don't think any company can afford to alienate a customer base,
especially
when it is an also ran who is introducing new for them
Caveman wrote:
Recent years ? Canon ? All EF mount lenses work with all EF mount cameras ? Yes, they
did a major change 20 years ago, from FD to EF, Pentax did one from screw to K too,
but after that they didn't play sh*tty compatibility games
REPLY:
Huh? The Canon D10 is compatible with
William wrote:
Earning a customer base worth providing for seems to be work that Pentax
isn't interested in taking on.
They may be on a fast track to oblivion if they stay the course.
I do have to wonder about those expensive FA and LTD lenses, and where they
fit into the entry level customer
William wrote:
What is it when you want to be in a camera segment, but the company you
betted on fails to allow you into that segment?
REPLY:
Then the whining is justified. If you, however, have never bought a Pentax product in
your life and never intend to and still whine, you better see a
I have bought a Canon Elan 7e. However, I am staying on the list because I
will probably buy a MX someday and/or I still have my eye on the *ist D
situation develops. But this means I must sell my Pentax gear to finance
buying the
Elan 7e.
On second thought, I feel I have overpriced things,
- Original Message -
From: Pål Jensen
inAmericanPhotomagazine)
:
Then the whining is justified. If you, however, have never bought a Pentax
product in your life and never intend to and still whine, you better see a
shrink.
Like I needed justification from you, but thanks anyway.
- Original Message -
From: Pål Jensen
AmericanPhotomagazine)
The sorry fact is that most Pentax users are cheapshots regretable as it
is.
The really sorry fact is, Pentax themselves are responsible for this
regretable perception.
William Robb
Pål Jensen wrote:
William wrote:
What is it when you want to be in a camera segment, but the company you
betted on fails to allow you into that segment?
REPLY:
Then the whining is justified. If you, however, have never bought a Pentax product in your life and never intend to and still whine, you
Idle question. I know the Super A can take the winder for the ME super
(ME2 winder).
Am I right in saying it doesn't work the other way - the Motor A is not
compatible with the ME super? What extra features are on the Motor A
that causes the incompatibility?
(Excellent PUG this month
Metal vs. Plastic is a tough trade off. A lighter body will hit the
ground or swing with less momentum, reducing the force available to do
damage. Metal will dent, whereas plastic will give but then crack.
Polycarbonate is tough stuff, even if it doesn't fell as solid. I'd
actually like to see
On a different note (but same thread title and magazine), the Shutterbug
article on the new Kodak DSLR says it takes 20 sec to boot and there is
no sleep mode. That could be a major annoyance.
Steven Desjardins
Department of Chemistry
Washington and Lee University
Lexington, VA 24450
(540)
If Pentax does come out with another film SLR, I
think the best we can get is a Mg alloy *ist with (maybe) and aperture
simulator.
Or just an MZ-S with 11 AF sensors?
regards,
Alan Chan
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From: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2003 5:16 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Paypal article
Lots of Paypal bashing out there on the net.
It's fast, it's easy, and it works.
Better than sending out MO or dealing with credit card for certain, although
their help system could use a lot of improvement.
regards,
Alan Chan
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We are doomed, Paul
They'll simply assume that we are ashamed of using
Pentax, that's a fact... ;-)
Damn! I was about to say that...
regards,
Alan Chan
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