RE: LX envy

2004-02-15 Thread Malcolm Smith
William Robb wrote: Because within 5 years you won't be able to get film for it? I saw some rotten devil sending his girlfriend into the local camera shop to get film for his Optio 550. Malcolm Buy the LX. Best camera I've ever owned, including the *ist D. If Pentax had produced a LX-D

RE: Pentax MF Prices

2004-02-15 Thread Malcolm Smith
Norm Baugher wrote: Just cruising around Ebay, checking them out, haven't done it in a while. Man, have prices come down! Yet there is one piece of Pentax MF equipment which eludes me. For the sixth time yesterday, I lost an eBay item for this thing (I won't mention what) and now it's two

AW: LX envy

2004-02-15 Thread keller.schaefer
The focussing issue is separate from the 'hesitation', but both faults often come together. The wrong mirror rest position, that is causing the focussing issue is very straightforward to fix. The hesitation is far more difficult to repair. If the camera only has a slight hesitation in the shop and

Walkabout

2004-02-15 Thread mike wilson
Hi, Off for a few days to deepest, darkest (and, from what I hear, coldest) Poland for a few days. If anyone there wishes to meet up, I will be in Dom Studentski Zaczek in Krakow from Monday night until Friday night. Well, not literally, but that's where I will lay my tired little head. mike

Bouncey cameras (was Re: Do Smarter Cameras make Dumber Photogs?

2004-02-15 Thread Bob W
Hi, Now if they could just make one that would bounce. They do! I've used a camera that bounces. It belonged to someone I met who lived on a boat moored off a Seychelle. She bought the camera precisely because it had rubberised corners, was proofed against salt spray and was designed for

Re: Do Smarter Cameras make Dumber Photogs?

2004-02-15 Thread Bob W
Hi, Now comes the hard part. Place all your new wonder pics on a table, and open up books showing the works of Mr. Smith, or Capa, or Cartier-Bresson, Stieglitz, or Margaret Bourke-White. Now then, Do your pics compare well with theirs???... as though I didn't know. Possible of course,

Re: LX envy

2004-02-15 Thread Rfsindg
Dave, Just make sure you get a competent repair job, or you'll do it again. The repair should run US$150+ and include new foam and seals. If it's a $40 fix, the guy doesn't know what he is doing. Regards, Bob S. David Madsen writes: I have an opportunity to add an LX outfit to my camera

Re: OT: Demise of Steam Locomotives

2004-02-15 Thread Rfsindg
Pat, Thanks for the comments. I don't know the weight of the old 2-8-8-2 that Graywolf was talking about. I would guess less than 550,000 pounds, so a pair of 6-axle diesel-electrics weighing 578,000 could exert more tractive effort and pull a bigger, longer train. I didn't know about

Re: Do Smarter Cameras make Dumber Photogs?

2004-02-15 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Just out of curiosity, do you use all those features, and whatever else your camera offers? BTW, what's AEL? Alan Kerr wrote: I wouldn't want to be without spot metering, AEL, aperture priority, shutter priority, honeycomb metering, DX coding (which as well as setting ISO gives the camera

Re: OT: Demise of Steam Locomotives

2004-02-15 Thread Rfsindg
Bill, Similar issues in the US... In the late 1800's in granger states like Iowa, no farmer's field was more than 1/2 mile from a railroad track. At harvest time, you put your grain into a boxcar they dropped on that track for you. That's how it got to market. That was our transportation

Re: Dust and DSLR's

2004-02-15 Thread brooksdj
On 14/2/04, Cotty disgorged: Only tend to notice them on large areas of continuous tone, like sky. Very minor annoyance for me. I clean about once a month if I can remember. Once every two if I can't. If you're looking at the pictures, you don't

Re: Do Smarter Cameras make Dumber Photogs?

2004-02-15 Thread Paul Stenquist
I think what John means is that using a manual camera requires some knowledge of exposure and the relationship between shutter speed and stop. Some would be photogs who learn on fully automated beasties never learn that. They just set it to the green dot and fire away. Now and then they get

Re: LX envy

2004-02-15 Thread Paul Stenquist
I too choose my LX over my MX consistently. Because it's so small, i've taken the MX on trips now and then without the winder. But the rest of the time, the LX gets the call. I keep a 35mm kit of ten lenses and two bodies in a Pelican case. It goes with me on every job. Until last week, it

Re: Dust and DSLR's

2004-02-15 Thread brooksdj
I've only shot about 700 frames so far and haven't had a problem. I think I'm going to make a pencil point attachment for my vacuum cleaner and clean the sensor with that when the time comes. I don't like the idea of blowing air into the camera. it

Re: Fun with *ist D and big glass

2004-02-15 Thread Paul Stenquist
I don't think PhotoNet allows display of big jpegs. But I'll be happy to mail you one if you wish. I have the shot resed up to 40 meg and jpeg compressed to about 10 or so for the stock house. On Feb 14, 2004, at 1:40 AM, Alin Flaider wrote: frank wrote: ft Maybe we should call you Mr. Steady

Batteries for BG-10 (Battery Grip for MZ-S)

2004-02-15 Thread Jens Bladt
Hi Guys I don't seem to have a users guide for the BG-10. PEntax USA does not have it on their download page. Do any of you know if it's possible to use rechargeable batteries (NiCd or NiMH) in the BG-10, without risking to damage the camera? Answers will be truly appreciatet. Best Regards Jens

Re: Batteries for BG-10 (Battery Grip for MZ-S)

2004-02-15 Thread Carlos Royo
Jens Bladt escribió: Hi Guys I don't seem to have a users guide for the BG-10. PEntax USA does not have it on their download page. Do any of you know if it's possible to use rechargeable batteries (NiCd or NiMH) in the BG-10, without risking to damage the camera? Answers will be truly appreciatet.

RE: Do Smarter Cameras make Dumber Photogs?

2004-02-15 Thread Jens Bladt
Two things are needed to make good photograps: 1) The ability to imagine, visualise, locate, create and frame a suitable subject for a good photograph. 2) The ability to master the photographic techniques necsary. Smart cameras helps a lot with number 2), less with number 1) - e.i. situations,

RE: Batteries for BG-10 (Battery Grip for MZ-S)

2004-02-15 Thread Jens Bladt
Thanks Carlos. Very usefull information. I I'll direct the question to the Pentax importer in Denmark. I have had the same problem with Mezt flashes. After writing the importer, I got a letter saying, I could use rechargeable batteries, ehen using a special battery unit. I was kind of hoping this

Re: LX envy

2004-02-15 Thread frank theriault
I guess when you're talking 20 or 25 year old bodies, sample to sample variances are to be expected. However, I really don't notice much difference between my MX and LX in volume level when used without winders. cheers, frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The

SV: Do Smarter Cameras make Dumber Photogs?

2004-02-15 Thread Jens Bladt
AEL = Auto Exposure Lock (?) Press the shutter half way down and lock the shutter/aperture combination - lots of SLR's and arangefinders had that feature. Very usefull for back lit scenes etc. Honeycomb metering: Maybe = multi-segment metering Jens -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: frank

Re: Pentax MF Prices

2004-02-15 Thread Norm Baugher
I was speaking in general market terms, not your personal deals.. Norm Paul Stenquist wrote: I have yet to see a 6x7 MLU camera price as low as that which I paid for my good condition MLU 6x7 three years ago -- $202.11. Most of the lens prices I saw this week were also in excess of what I paid

Re: LX envy

2004-02-15 Thread Norm Baugher
Yeah, but is it more expensive than digital if amortized? g. Norm William Robb wrote: In fact, on a cost per picture, my LX's with print film are more expensive than shooting Ektachrome on my 4x5.

RE: LX envy

2004-02-15 Thread David Madsen
I have two advantages, but are they really advantages? I know the guy at the shop and he has worked on my PZ-1P (now gone), ME SUPER (now gone), Rolleicord, Mamiya, Zeiss Ikon, and Yashica. I know he has done many mirror assembly repairs on other cameras, such as the notorious squeal on the

Re: Do Smarter Cameras make Dumber Photogs?

2004-02-15 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi! Bill, aren't you trying to say: 1. Care for what you're doing (photographing in this case)? 2. RTFM and then Result would be good?! I really think that this thread is a little overreacted upon. That is, I wouldn't call a person who neither care much for they photography (not photographs,

RE: Do Smarter Cameras make Dumber Photogs?

2004-02-15 Thread David Madsen
Back when I worked at a camera store... A guy comes in and buys a ZX-5n with a basic zoom. One year later he returns to buy an F100 and 80-200 f2.8 because he is shooting 5 weddings a month and believes that N***n is the only choice for pros. Two weeks later he returns again with his Wal-Mart

AW: LX envy

2004-02-15 Thread keller.schaefer
Here is the *ist d + pancake: http://www.mynetcologne.de/~nc-kellersv2/pancake.jpg Mine is not too good wide open though. At 5,6 it is o.k. Sven -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: frank theriault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Sonntag, 15. Februar 2004 14:58 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

SV: Do Smarter Cameras make Dumber Photogs?

2004-02-15 Thread Jens Bladt
Well spoken, David! (Beautiful whomepage. you've got) regards Jens To answer the question my way...a good photographer is a good photographer no matter what camera he is holding, a bad photographer will feel like he is a good photographer when holding a camera that does his work for him.

Re: Do Smarter Cameras make Dumber Photogs?

2004-02-15 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi! BL You see, I don't buy into the expected answer no to the thread's BL question. Sorry, brain fart. I meant yes instead of no... Boris

Re: Shelby Lee Adams-was: Portraits

2004-02-15 Thread Bob W
Hi, I think Paul Stenquist and I have had this conversation on list already, but one interesting thing that I noticed, is that Adams' Appalachian accent is ~much~ more pronounced when talking with Kentuckians than with New York art dealers. I thought that maybe it was contrived, but Paul

Re: Do Smarter Cameras make Dumber Photogs?

2004-02-15 Thread graywolf
The interesting thing is people who used box brownies did not consider themselves photographers, people who use an *istD on program mode do. Of course the real problem for me with using automation is the same as it is when I use autodial on my telephone. When I need to go manual with the

RE: FS - Tamron 28-200

2004-02-15 Thread David Miers
I received one of these lenses through Shel and thus far I'm fairly pleased with it. Obviously it cannot compare with a prime, but overall it does a nice job. It's very true that this focal length will just about meet all your needs except when you need a longer focal length, which is rare for

Re: Do Smarter Cameras make Dumber Photogs?

2004-02-15 Thread Norm Baugher
I can see it now - Canon's newest featureairbags. Norm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now if they could just make one that would bounce. Like when it is dropped. Not that I've done that yet, but...

Re: Do Smarter Cameras make Dumber Photogs?

2004-02-15 Thread Bob W
Hi, And, to repeat, by the time one bought a ttl metering SLR, they probably knew what they were doing anyway. But did they know what the meter was doing? For most of his life my father used an Agfa Silette which he'd bought used in the mid-1950s. All the photos he took of us growing up, and

Re: Do Smarter Cameras make Dumber Photogs?

2004-02-15 Thread graywolf
But it is rocket science. There is simple arithmetic involved. Much better to use a camera with a built in auto calculator so you don't even have to think about the numbers, much less how to use them. That is really why no one wants to use public transportation you know. Too hard to count your

Re: Do Smarter Cameras make Dumber Photogs?

2004-02-15 Thread Bob W
Hi, The photographers mentioned in the article used the state of the art equipment of their day. [...] I wonder what they'd use today? many of the Magnum photographers, even the relatively young ones, still use Leica Ms. But many of them also use fully auto cameras. However, if you read

Re: Do Smarter Cameras make Dumber Photogs?

2004-02-15 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Steve Larson Subject: Re: Do Smarter Cameras make Dumber Photogs? Pinhole users do have shutter speed adjustment. They generally also have several sizes of pinhole to choose from. William Robb

Re: Do Smarter Cameras make Dumber Photogs?

2004-02-15 Thread graywolf
In fact sophisticated pinhole aficionadoes have all the basic controls, they just use very small f-stops and no lens. OTOH, I have always wondered why one would buy a Diana, or Holga, when the same money would buy a clean all metal Box Brownie they used 120 film before Kodak figured out that

Somewhat OT: Question about Ricoh KR-5 Super II (was: Do Smarter Cameras make Dumber Photogs?)

2004-02-15 Thread David Miers
Interesting that this topic should come up when it did. Last night I purchased a Ricoh KR-5 Super II via ebay for my photography class at college. For $60 including shipping, with a Pentax 50mm f:2 m type lens I didn't think I could go too far wrong. The instructor does not insist on an all

Re: Do Smarter Cameras make Dumber Photogs?

2004-02-15 Thread graywolf
I remember a science fiction story. Some undisclosed time in the future there was a University Mathematics Professor who was dismissed as a charlatan because he claimed he had discovered a way to do long division without an electronic calculator which everyone knew was imposible. Do they still

Re: Rebates

2004-02-15 Thread jtainter
There's a $200 rebate off combined purchase of *istD and DA 16-45. I continue to be baffled that Pentax offers a discount on a lens that North American dealers cannot yet obtain. I believe I am the only North American on the list who has the DA 16-45. I left a standing order on Adorama' web

Re: Do Smarter Cameras make Dumber Photogs?

2004-02-15 Thread Cotty
On 15/2/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: I'm not saying that any of the hallowed names would be using the latest Canon digital DSLR with one of those anti-shake 1.8 ultra long papparazzi zooms. AFAIK, when HCB still uses a camera, it's the latest Leica RF - but then he only uses cameras (if

Re: Do Smarter Cameras make Dumber Photogs?

2004-02-15 Thread Cotty
Good evening Mr Phelps. Your mission tonight is simple, navigate your way through FTDML Today's Topics: Re: LX envy [ frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Re: LX envy [ frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] RE: LX envy

Re: Do Smarter Cameras make Dumber Photogs?

2004-02-15 Thread graywolf
That's f'g manual in english. (grin) I think you are taking comments here much more seriously than they are meant, Boris. Yes, there are great photographers working today. Yes, a serious photographer can work around the automation. Though I personally usually find automation more of a

RE: Somewhat OT: Question about Ricoh KR-5 Super II (was: Do Smarter Cameras make Dumber Photogs?)

2004-02-15 Thread Jens Bladt
Hi Dave The MANAUL SHOULD BE HERE: http://www.butkus.org/chinon/kr-5_super_ii/kr-5_super_ii-splash.htm The K1000 has MLU: Tap the release botton hard/fast and the mirror will lock up, without releasing the shutter. I don't know about damaging the A, F or FA lenses - but I wouldn't think so. All

Re: Do Smarter Cameras make Dumber Photogs?

2004-02-15 Thread William M Kane
Now you've hit on something I can agree with graywolf. I can't tell you how many of my students can't estimate what 750/150 is, much less half of 750 . . . I blame calculators . . . . . . of course there is nothing wrong with USING a tool. Tools are there to make our lives simpler, and

Re: Do Smarter Cameras make Dumber Photogs?

2004-02-15 Thread John Francis
I've certainly used all of those (except wireless flash) with my PZ-1p. Come to that, I've even used wireless flash - it's just that I had to plug an accessory trigger into the hotshoe. But I'd have had to do that with most other cameras, anyway - I was using a studio flash setup. I've also

Re: LX envy

2004-02-15 Thread ernreed2
frank said: I guess when you're talking 20 or 25 year old bodies, sample to sample variances are to be expected. However, I really don't notice much difference between my MX and LX in volume level when used without winders. Me either, and that would be always since I don't have winders

Re: Do Smarter Cameras make Dumber Photogs?

2004-02-15 Thread John Francis
I really think that 25 years ago, most people who bought cameras with match needle ttl metering were pretty serious about it anyway. After investing that much money into a camera (Spotmatics cost around $300US 30 or 35 years ago - a lot of money back then!), my bet is that if they didn't

Re: SV: Do Smarter Cameras make Dumber Photogs?

2004-02-15 Thread ernreed2
David Madsen shared: Back when I worked at a camera store... A guy comes in and buys a ZX-5n with a basic zoom. One year later he returns to buy an F100 and 80-200 f2.8 because he is shooting 5 weddings a month and believes that N***n is the only choice for pros. Two weeks later he

Re: Do Smarter Cameras make Dumber Photogs?

2004-02-15 Thread John Francis
Now if only they coul come up with one that would inflate in front of the lens when a lousy shot was about to be taken ... Personally I think the shutter release should have taser contacts. I can see it now - Canon's newest featureairbags. Norm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now if

Re: Do Smarter Cameras make Dumber Photogs?

2004-02-15 Thread John Francis
But it is rocket science. There is simple arithmetic involved. Much better to use a camera with a built in auto calculator so you don't even have to think about the numbers, much less how to use them. That is really why no one wants to use public transportation you know. Too hard to count

Re: Pentax MF Prices

2004-02-15 Thread Paul Stenquist
I know. But I haven't seen the prices drop. And I check them every day because I need two more 6x7 lenses. Paul On Feb 15, 2004, at 10:57 AM, Norm Baugher wrote: I was speaking in general market terms, not your personal deals.. Norm Paul Stenquist wrote: I have yet to see a 6x7 MLU camera price

Re: Do Smarter Cameras make Dumber Photogs?

2004-02-15 Thread Shel Belinkoff
I had lunch at a local restaurant and the bill was $15.00 and change. I gave the woman at the register a $100.00 bill. The change should have been $84.00+ but I was given $64.00+ shortchanged by $20.00. Bringing this to the attention of the cashier, I was told the amount of change I

Re: Pentax MF Prices

2004-02-15 Thread Norm Baugher
There are some real deals out there, more then I remember when I was actively checking Ebay a couple of years ago, like this one: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2984661047category=3353 One of the list members picked this up, like getting a free 6x7 I was also checking KEH

Re: Somewhat OT: Question about Ricoh KR-5 Super II (was: Do Smarter Cameras make Dumber Photogs?)

2004-02-15 Thread John Francis
I have a question about FA and A lens used with this camera however. Will I do any damage to the lenses or extra electrical contacts and the autofocus drives on them by using them with this camera? I don't think so. There's no AF drive shaft on the body, so there's nothing to affect the AF

RE: AW: LX envy

2004-02-15 Thread frank theriault
Hi, Sven, Very pretty. It's probably just because I'm so used to seeing pancakes on MXen, but somehow it just doesn't look right on the *istD. I could probably get used to it if I tried, though g. I only used one for a couple of weeks or a month on my MX, but I didn't have it at 2.8 very

Re: Do Smarter Cameras make Dumber Photogs?

2004-02-15 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 2/15/2004 10:14:38 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I was in highschool they had dropped teaching how to extract roots. Use a slide rule or a table they said. -- graywolf I am searching for my father's slide rule (long-deceased, he was an engineer), so

RE: Do Smarter Cameras make Dumber Photogs?

2004-02-15 Thread David Madsen
Thank you very much, Jens. David Madsen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.davidmadsen.com -Original Message- From: Jens Bladt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 9:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: SV: Do Smarter Cameras make Dumber Photogs? Well spoken,

Re: Do Smarter Cameras make Dumber Photogs?

2004-02-15 Thread frank theriault
Tom, I buy tokens. 5 for $10, plus some change (can't remember how much). Cash fare is $2.25. I haven't done the math, but I know which one's cheaper vbg Now, I of course know you're being facetious, but there's really no math to do with setting aperture and shutter speed. I think I've

Re: Do Smarter Cameras make Dumber Photogs?

2004-02-15 Thread Otis Wright
I'm afraid we in the US will see a lot more of this. Our school systems in the USA are turning them out by the tens of thousands. They are taught they never get anything wrong and that they'll get excellent pay for just showing up. And they wonder why the jobs are going overseas I

Re: Do Smarter Cameras make Dumber Photogs?

2004-02-15 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 2/15/2004 12:09:23 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We had to call the restaurant manager to get the math right and for me to get the correct change. Sheesh! Now this makes no sense. Everyone using computers on a regular basis (or computerized equipment)

Re: Do Smarter Cameras make Dumber Photogs?

2004-02-15 Thread Herb Chong
1 control though, not 3. Herb... - Original Message - From: Steve Larson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 9:59 AM Subject: Re: Do Smarter Cameras make Dumber Photogs? Pinhole users do have shutter speed adjustment.

RE: Shots

2004-02-15 Thread frank theriault
Well, Chris, First of all, I like the colour shot more. There's something about the bw shot that just doesn't look like real bw to me. It just seems too soft (which the colour doesn't, to me), and it's not really contrasty enough. I'm not sure what to make of the image in and of itself. It

Showing *istD to a Canon 1d Pro

2004-02-15 Thread Paul Stenquist
This morning I got together with one of the more successful part-time pros in my area. He shoots with the Canon 10 megapixel camera (is it called 1D), a pair of Leica M7s, and one of the 6x7 rangefinders. All his 35mm glass is top of the line Leitz and Canon. Aside from the fact that we're old

Nice lens prices on ebay

2004-02-15 Thread Paul Stenquist
My ebay sales went well. the M 100/2.8 brought 111.50, the SMC Tak 105/2.8 went for 137.50, the 85-210 SMC Tak brought 177.50. Very healthy I'd say. Oh yeah, that 200-500/6.9 Tamron zoom went for 146.50. That's $56.50 more than I paid for it at Samy's in Hollywood five years ago. The K

RE: AW: LX envy

2004-02-15 Thread frank theriault
Okay, Cotty, I'll bite. What is the prettiest DSLR? curious, frank PS: your answer will be wrong, but I'd still like to know what you think... vbg The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: Cotty [EMAIL

Re: AW: LX envy

2004-02-15 Thread Frits Wüthrich
On Sun, 2004-02-15 at 22:27, frank theriault wrote: No, It's a fact, Fred. The *istD is the prettiest DSLR out there. Just like the PZ-1 is one of the ugliest SLR's ever. Don't get insulting here, I own both, and both are pretty. Just to prove that my Pentax allegiance isn't clouding my

I know it's not Friday, but. . .

2004-02-15 Thread Keith Whaley
. . . might a Sunday nite be considered a really late Friday? I mean, it's not Monday yet. . . g If this offends, please don't read. g Ladies and gentlemen of the list, I'm selling my LX. This is the one I bought in late August of 2003. Truly looks 99+% condition. There is no

OT War Photographer

2004-02-15 Thread Rob Studdert
I saw the film War Photographer featuring James Nachtwey last night, a very interesting documentary indeed, a man dedicated to his craft. There is a web site associated with the film at http://www.war-photographer.com/ it's worth a read but doesn't present a great deal of James's work. Cheers,

Re: Pentax MF Prices

2004-02-15 Thread Norm Baugher
I'm with you Paul, let's hope we see some more Pentax digital models coming out, preferably really expensive, so people have to sell their MF gear to buy it... g Norm Let you know if I see the aforementioned lenses. Paul Stenquist wrote: I agree. That was a great deal. Perhaps the market is

Shots

2004-02-15 Thread Chris
Thanks for the critique Frank.My ego is not that delicate that I cant take everyone's divergent opinions.The ones I have got seem to agree that the colour shot is better.Me too.Just a short note,the shot was totally spontaneous,I wish that I could have set it up more to get more of his face and

RE: Shots

2004-02-15 Thread Butch Black
I think you should extract the musician from the color image, put him in the BW image and desaturate the color by about 50%. Butch Each man had only one genuine vocation - to find the way to himself. Hermann Hesse (Demian)

Re: Do Smarter Cameras make Dumber Photogs?

2004-02-15 Thread Butch Black
Why do you so often insist that learning to use a manual camera is the hard way? What can be simpler to operate than a camera ... perhaps a toaster? Nah, they're getting pretty complicated these days as well LOL I don't know. A friend just bought his wife an Canon printer that takes media

RE: DA 14/2.8 photos

2004-02-15 Thread Peter Alling
Once again in C int main() { int i; for ( i=0; i = 1; i++ ) printf( Never trust the spell checker!!! ); return(0); } At 03:39 AM 2/14/04, you wrote: On 13/2/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: Heard a roomer at a local photo shop this afternoon, Pentax be plannin' to announce a

Re: Tamron SP AF28-75mm F/2.8

2004-02-15 Thread Ramesh Kumar
As usual good response. noticeably better flare control than the Tokina. Light-fall-off control is better as well. This really puts me in dilemma:-). I was leaning towards Tokina because its optically good and 28-80mm. When using with my yet to own!! *istD it goes up to 160mm which is a

Re: LX envy

2004-02-15 Thread Peter Alling
$400.00 is a damned good price for the system as you describe it. However I own two LX's one that was CLA'd by a 3rd party which is the one currently needing repair. (Which reminds me I should send it off to Pentax USA, real soon now). I would almost take the camera as is and send it to Pentax

Re: Tamron SP AF28-75mm F/2.8

2004-02-15 Thread Steve Jolly
The *istD's focal-length multiplier isn't 2 is it? I thought it was more like 1.5... S Ramesh Kumar wrote: As usual good response. noticeably better flare control than the Tokina. Light-fall-off control is better as well. This really puts me in dilemma:-). I was leaning towards Tokina

Re: Photographing Mirrors

2004-02-15 Thread Peter Alling
One more awful pun and I'll have to release a blood curdling scream. At 11:42 PM 2/14/04, you wrote: Will you stake your reputation on that ? Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Butch Black [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 4:50 PM Subject:

Re: LX envy

2004-02-15 Thread Peter Alling
I've had an 18 year old Mistress, from your descriptions I'd need two before the costs would have become equivalent! (Of course mine may have been the exception). At 12:02 AM 2/15/04, you wrote: - Original Message - From: David Madsen Subject: RE: LX envy Believe me I have considered

Re: LX envy

2004-02-15 Thread Peter Alling
Gee, you must not use the winder on your MX very often, while the shutter/mirror on the LX may be more noticeable than that of the MX, the rasp of the winder MX sounds like a chain saw compared to the sound of the Motor LX. At 12:22 AM 2/15/04, you wrote: I don't know ... I sometimes use one or

Re: LX envy

2004-02-15 Thread Chris Brogden
When my LX had a problem with sticky mirror, my local repair guy told me that there were two possible causes: the accessible rubber bumpers, or something internal. He replaced the rubber thingies, charged me a very low price, and it's been fine since. chris On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 [EMAIL

RE: I know it's not Friday, but. . .

2004-02-15 Thread frank theriault
Please, someone, buy it, before I start crying! An LX needs a loving home! vbg -frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: Keith Whaley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL

RE: OT War Photographer

2004-02-15 Thread frank theriault
I think I saw that film. I saw something on Nachtway, anyway. Sounds like his many decades in war zones have made him unable to function in normal society for any length of time. cheers, frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J.

RE: Shots

2004-02-15 Thread frank theriault
You know, Chris, If there's one thing I hate, it's someone telling me if you'd have done this, or gotten that, or changed the angle, or whatever, your shot would be so much better. My attitude about my shots is, the shot's the shot. Don't tell me what could have been. It is what you see, so

OT Re: Do Smarter Cameras make Dumber Photogs?

2004-02-15 Thread William M Kane
Otis, I know this is getting a bit off topic, but I need to step up on the soap box here: Yes, the school system is churning out many students who can't do what is described below, and I will be the first to admit that. However, what you described is not just a matter of learning the

Re: AW: LX envy

2004-02-15 Thread Fred
It's a fact, Fred. The *istD is the prettiest DSLR out there. Just like the PZ-1 is one of the ugliest SLR's ever. Just to prove that my Pentax allegiance isn't clouding my judgement. Har! Fred

New birs photos

2004-02-15 Thread Christian Skofteland
It's been awhile since I've been out shooting. I shot these this afternoon. Beautiful light today, clear blue skies sigh http://home.mindspring.com/~c_skofteland/id6.html Anyway, the Junco and Sparrow pictures are heavily cropped, I'm still impressed with the detail. The cute little

New bird photos

2004-02-15 Thread Christian Skofteland
ok so what the hell is a birs? dumbass Christian Skofteland [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Christian Skofteland [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 9:32 PM Subject: New birs photos It's been awhile since I've been out shooting.

Re: LX envy

2004-02-15 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Rarely use winders at all ... never said anything about the MX winder being louder/softer than the LX winder. And it may not be a fair comparison to compare a winder to a motor drive. Love the way you mix up all these various elements, Peter. Peter Alling wrote: Gee, you must not use the

Re: AW: LX envy

2004-02-15 Thread Fred
When I saw the Z-1/Z-1p in magazines, I thought it was one ugly camera too. But then the actual 3D products look okay, much better than I imagined based on some 2D images. :-) Well, I've never owned a Z1/PZ1 or a Z1p/PZ1p, but I have had a chance to play with some SFX/SF1 and SFXn/SF1n

Re: FS: 105/2.8

2004-02-15 Thread Fred
Most of these shots seem to have been executed against questionable backgrounds. What's questionable about 'em? Fred

WTB SMC-M 50mm f/1.7

2004-02-15 Thread Scott Nelson
I picked up a KX on ebay, which my girlfriend is now using a bit. The problem is, we both like 50mm primes and we only have 1 between us. It's a SMC-A 50mm f/1.7 and I really like it except that the aperture ring really sucks. On my 5n, I leave it in A mode a lot of the time because it's so bad.

Re: Shots

2004-02-15 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Now that I know that frank, I'll be careful on how I critique your photos. frank theriault wrote: You know, Chris, If there's one thing I hate, it's someone telling me if you'd have done this, or gotten that, or changed the angle, or whatever, your shot would be so much better. My

Re: LX envy

2004-02-15 Thread Peter Alling
I have both I Motor LX the Winder LX, the and the winder is quieter than the motor. (I've never heard a Motor MX). Notice I said, the LX shutter was more noticeable, based on my experience the LX is really no louder, it may even be quieter in absolute decibels, the pitch is just unfortunate. At

Re: LX envy

2004-02-15 Thread Rob Studdert
On 15 Feb 2004 at 18:39, Shel Belinkoff wrote: Rarely use winders at all ... never said anything about the MX winder being louder/softer than the LX winder. And it may not be a fair comparison to compare a winder to a motor drive. Love the way you mix up all these various elements, Peter.

Re: Tamron SP AF28-75mm F/2.8

2004-02-15 Thread Ramesh Kumar
Yes it's 1.5 not 2.0. It made mistake. --- Steve Jolly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The *istD's focal-length multiplier isn't 2 is it? I thought it was more like 1.5... S Ramesh Kumar wrote: As usual good response. noticeably better flare control than the Tokina. Light-fall-off

Re: Tamron SP AF28-75mm F/2.8

2004-02-15 Thread Alan Chan
Tamron specifically labelled it as a digital lens, if it helps. :-) Regards, Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan As usual good response. noticeably better flare control than the Tokina. Light-fall-off control is better as well. This really puts me in dilemma:-). I was leaning towards

Re: FS: 105/2.8

2004-02-15 Thread Paul Stenquist
They're inherently busy. It's tough to get nice bokeh when there's a lot going on in the backgroud. On Feb 15, 2004, at 9:37 PM, Fred wrote: Most of these shots seem to have been executed against questionable backgrounds. What's questionable about 'em? Fred

Re: OT Re: Do Smarter Cameras make Dumber Photogs?

2004-02-15 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 2/15/2004 6:22:34 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We can't stand up at the polls and demand no child left behind, but then turn around the next day and complain that the taxes are too high, and we need to cut school funding. . . . we also can't place

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