On Mon, June 10, 2013 00:44, Ryan Simpkins wrote:
> Did Mr. Snowden do the right thing by disclosing PRISM and similar programs to
> the world, or did he violate the trust of his employer, government, and fellow
> countrymen by reveling secrets that aught not to have been reveled?
When I asked thi
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 11:38 PM, Joshua Marsh wrote:
> The $50m/yr figure you are quoting is related to fast offerings. They are
> two funds that serve completely different purposes. If you lump them
> together, it looks bad, but so does thinking Romney would win off of a poll
> taken in Provo.
>
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 10:19 PM, Nicholas Leippe wrote:
>
> http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/13/13262285-mormon-church-earns-7-billion-a-year-from-tithing-analysis-indicates?lite
>
> If on average, as estimated, they take in $7 billion/year, and have spent
> in *total* since 1985 onl
please consider the following as irrefutable evidence:
mormons live longer:
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/54897327-78/health-coffee-disease-tea.html.csp
horses prefer prefer peppermint to oregano:
http://www.horsesciencenews.com/horse-care/feed/flavor-favorites-for-horses.php
Religious peopl
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 7:28 PM, Nicholas Leippe wrote:
> Defend the implication that the LDS church receives no gain from its
> membership. Last I knew its coffers were pretty full. The remuneration per
> ward from Salt Lake for financial aid of its local members is also
> frequently quite inequ
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 7:21 PM, Daniel C. wrote:
> I personally was extremely unhappy being Mormon. It never quite felt
> right to me. There were little things that didn't quite add up. I
> felt like I was living in The Truman Show, and if I just scratched at
> the right spot the whole facade
On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 12:19 AM, Nicholas Leippe wrote:
> So is your answer that it's their own fault for being depressed, because
> they are trying too hard to do what they are told, because they lack some
> understanding?
Bingo. If you're Mormon and you're depressed, it's your own fault for
n
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 9:48 PM, Sasha Pachev wrote:
>
> So, anti-depressants among Latter-Day Saints. One problem I frequently
> observe among the members is trying to live the routine without
> understanding the purpose. Usually there is an element of trying to somehow
> circumvent the purpose
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 11:48 PM, Sasha Pachev wrote:
> So, anti-depressants among Latter-Day Saints. One problem I frequently
> observe among the members is trying to live the routine without
> understanding the purpose. Usually there is an element of trying to somehow
> circumvent the purpose of
Well, we are technically terribly off-topic, but that is what makes this
list great :-) We can discuss what matters to us. As long as you reference
something that was said in a previous post, you are on topic. The topic has
changed.
So, anti-depressants among Latter-Day Saints. One problem I frequ
Too bad this isn't Slashdot so I could mod up Sasha's posts mark some
others as trolls. perhaps I am a troll too though.
in arguments such as these, there are only two rational things to do:
#1. link to ze frank's awesome atheist game:
http://www.zefrank.com/atheist/(warning: Flash)
#2. remind t
Proving and disproving the existence of something is based on awareness.
If people are unaware of God then to that person God does not exist. Here
comes the weird part ... Belief. We are AWARE that belief exists, belief
in santa, belief in the easter bunny etc .. But we can often get fanatical
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 10:49 PM, Michael Torrie wrote:
> People often don't even know their arguments were played out a long time
> ago (1830 if you're not LDS, or more than 2000 years ago if you are).
Try 399 BC: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthyphro
-Dan
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On Tue, 2013-06-11 at 01:27 +, sdlockh...@bigplanet.com wrote:
> A) This has nothing to do with Ed Snowden
> B) It has absolutely nothing to do with Linux.
>
> Can you guys please take your religious screed OFF the list?
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One of my friends likes to say this to believers of other faiths:
"I don't know all the answers. You don't know all the answers. Don't be a
d*ck."
Kinda cuts to the heart of just be a decent human regardless of which god
is the fad today or that you happen to root for.
My favorite saying is:
"We
On 06/10/2013 04:51 PM, Nathan England wrote:
> Dan, your entire question is framed to make me answer according to
> your boxed results. I do not claim to know the complete mind of God,
> how ever I believe he has given me his word (the bible) and has
> stated what is right and what is wrong. I do
On 06/10/2013 07:21 PM, Daniel Fussell wrote:
> It is only natural that we would turn to the founding fathers for
> guidance; it's history. Same with the Bible, it's history, regardless
> of your belief in a vengeful or caring God. Frankly, I think religion
> is a fabulous basis for moral guid
Man reading this thread while I'm on vacation on the beach in Mexico is like
icing on the cake. I'm laughing so hard right now.
Here's some advice to all parties involved though: treat others well, love one
another, and don't take life too seriously. Who cares where it originates
from? If
Tithing is something I have a problem with. Tithing is Old Testament law. We
are not under the law. God now asks us to give. I used to tithe, no more. I
give and I give outside the church. We no longer attend any church because of
all the false teachings, etc. So we give to several chari
Hey I think I know you!!
Keith Smith
--- On Mon, 6/10/13, Daniel C. wrote:
From: Daniel C.
Subject: Re: Did Ed Snowden do the right thing?
To: "Provo Linux Users Group"
Date: Monday, June 10, 2013, 7:16 PM
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 10:09 PM, keith smith wrote:
> Did
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 10:09 PM, keith smith wrote:
> Did you find another path to follow?
Yeah, I'm an atheist. So, you know, I like to eat babies and
sacrifice virgins under the full moon whenever I can find time in my
busy schedule of tearing apart the fabric of American life / family
values
Daniel,
That is a very interesting story. Thank you for sharing. I am a devout
Christian, however I do not attend church because I think it is a mess. Did
you find another path to follow?
Keith Smith
--- On Mon, 6/10/13, Daniel C. wrote:
From: Daniel C.
Subject
Defend the implication that the LDS church receives no gain from its
membership. Last I knew its coffers were pretty full. The remuneration per
ward from Salt Lake for financial aid of its local members is also
frequently quite inequitable. There are wards collecting $100k+ each month
in tithing, s
A) This has nothing to do with Ed Snowden
B) It has absolutely nothing to do with Linux.
Can you guys please take your religious screed OFF the list?
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Subject: Re: Did Ed Snowden do the right thing?
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 21:
On 06/10/2013 04:18 PM, Lonnie Olson wrote:
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Matthew Frederico wrote:
I could care less about the bible's rightness or wrongness, Jesus or
Mohammad. Perhaps what we should care about is what can we do as fathers,
mothers brothers and sisters with what appears to
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 8:52 PM, Sasha Pachev wrote:
> All I can say is that I respectfully disagree. I have been inside it - I
> have served a mission, have been in a number of leadership positions, have
> sat through a lot of meetings, and have visited and got to know a lot of
> people through
> I was born and raised in a religion that is founded on mass deception,
> and which not only practices it but has turned it into an art form.
???
All I can say is that I respectfully disagree. I have been inside it - I
have served a mission, have been in a number of leadership positions, have
s
On 2013-06-10 14:54, Lonnie Olson wrote:
I think at this point all of the rational people that disagree with
marriage equality, do so on the basis of branding. The use of the
word marriage. They feel it should be reserved only for the religious
kind of marriage, and the legal one should have to
My apologies to those on the Full Disclosure group, but this
article was just mentioned.
http://m.blogs.computerworld.com/cloud-storage/22305/why-prism-kills-cloud
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On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 4:42 PM, Daniel C. wrote:
> > You may think this train of thought is crazy, but I am speaking from the
> > perspective of someone who actually has lived in a society that has
> suffered
> > severe mass deception and who has had to question every value he's been
> > taught
On Monday, June 10, 2013 05:01:53 PM Lonnie Olson wrote:
> I met that Jesus Christ guy once. Really great guy. He wasn't a god
> or anything, just a dirty, homeless, hippie that taught peace, love,
> charity, and kindness. Too bad his long distant followers craved
> power, distorted his words, a
No Contradiction.
Keith Smith
--- On Mon, 6/10/13, Daniel C. wrote:
From: Daniel C.
Subject: Re: Did Ed Snowden do the right thing?
To: "Provo Linux Users Group"
Date: Monday, June 10, 2013, 3:43 PM
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 6:37 PM, keith smith wrote:
> ...yes anyt
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 7:11 PM, Nathan England wrote:
> When taken out of context, we are commanded to not judge. I agree completely
> with you here
> Daniel. The problem is, this verse is almost *always* taken out of context.
> At the least, no one
> ever reads the rest of the verse or the one
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 7:07 PM, Sasha Pachev wrote:
> Dan - I am sorry, but I feel obligated to call your bluff here. If all you
> can tell me that you were raised Mormon in the United States, then I have
> to say this. You do not know what it is like to live in a truly closed
> society. You did
On Monday, June 10, 2013 06:29:39 PM Daniel C. wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 6:17 PM, keith smith wrote:
>
> You think this despite the very clear commandment not to judge?
>
When taken out of context, we are commanded to not judge. I agree completely
with you here
Daniel. The problem is,
On Mon, 10 Jun 2013 16:35:08 -0600
Nathan Gilbert wrote:
> Science doesn't happen in a vacuum though. It's up to the community of
> scientists to duplicate the findings of others to look for bias or
> errors.
Right, which is why publication of raw data and source code is so
important. I would ev
>> You may think this train of thought is crazy, but I am speaking from the
>> perspective of someone who actually has lived in a society that has
suffered
>> severe mass deception and who has had to question every value he's been
>> taught from birth to figure out what was wrong and what was right
I met that Jesus Christ guy once. Really great guy. He wasn't a god
or anything, just a dirty, homeless, hippie that taught peace, love,
charity, and kindness. Too bad his long distant followers craved
power, distorted his words, and created an organization bent on world
domination.
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On Monday, June 10, 2013 06:29:16 PM Daniel C. wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 4:19 PM, Nathan England wrote:
> No, it's not. My question (not argument) is about the source of right
> and wrong. Your example is a logical paradox.
Correct, it is a paradox often used to confound Christians who
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 4:20 PM, Nathan England wrote:
> Obviously, this is a stupid example, but the point is I can craft an
> experiment to prove my
> children do not exist.
But this is the point of science. Theories without corroboration,
peer review, etc is useless. Just like your example
On Monday, June 10, 2013 15:37:44 keith smith wrote:
> One must clarify - If we are talking about God the Father, God the Son
> (Jesus), And God the Holy Spirit. Then yes anything that God would command
> would be righteous. And anything he would tell me to do would be
> righteous. God would not
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 6:37 PM, keith smith wrote:
> ...yes anything that God would command would be righteous. And anything
> he would tell me to do would be righteous.
Okay.
> God would not command me to murder or rape.
Do you not see how this directly contradicts your previous statement?
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 6:33 PM, Sasha Pachev wrote:
> Because he lived in a society that as a whole has rejected the idea of God-
> given moral compass and tried to invent its own.
It is disingenuous to assert that everyone who struggles with
questions of ethics in the absence of a divine comman
On 06/10/2013 08:29 AM, Barry Roberts wrote:
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 12:44 AM, Ryan Simpkins wrote:
Why I think this question matters to PLUG:
I was just pondering this at the same time. I agree that due to the
selective nature of his releases, Snowden is likely a hero. But this
article sur
God says not to judge others in a way as to condemn them. Or to judge them in
away that would cause you to not love them. We must judge between right and
wrong though.
Keith Smith
--- On Mon, 6/10/13, Daniel C. wrote:
From: Daniel C.
Subject: Re: Did Ed Snowden
One must clarify - If we are talking about God the Father, God the Son (Jesus),
And God the Holy Spirit. Then yes anything that God would command would be
righteous. And anything he would tell me to do would be righteous. God would
not command me to murder or rape.
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 4:20 PM, Nathan England wrote:
>
> Hopefully you see my point. When a scientist has a bias he can prove
> anything he wants to.
>
>
Science doesn't happen in a vacuum though. It's up to the community of
scientists to duplicate the findings of others to look for bias or err
> I don't subscribe to the philosophy of 1000 monkeys pounding on 1000
> keyboards to create MS Windows. Which is not unlike the big bang theory,
> right?
Joel:
I don't either, but I see some strong supporting evidence that this is the
case :-) That is why I have not had Windows on any machine I
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 6:17 PM, keith smith wrote:
> I think we must all judge. If you do not you will go down the wrong path.
You think this despite the very clear commandment not to judge?
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On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 4:19 PM, Nathan England wrote:
> Your argument is similar to the typical:
>
> Can God, who can do anything, create a mountain so big that he couldn't climb
> it?
No, it's not. My question (not argument) is about the source of right
and wrong. Your example is a logical p
On Monday, June 10, 2013 04:24:11 PM Jessie A. Morris wrote:
> More important is not that you can create an experiment to prove your
> hypothesis, but that you can create an experiment that disproves that
> hypothesis. By disproving it in a verifiable way once, all of your "proving
> evidence" has
On Monday, June 10, 2013 15:20:13 Nathan England wrote:
>
> Interesting. I agree with what Charles said, my only concern is the
> scientist who crafts the experiment to prove his hypothesis in a particular
> situation.
>
> Example:
>
> I believe that if I close my eyes and I cannot see something
On Monday, June 10, 2013 03:51:15 PM Joshua Marsh wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 3:33 PM, Charles Curley <
>
> charlescur...@charlescurley.com> wrote:
> > * Use the hypothesis to make some predictions which can be falsified.
> >
> > Once you introduce the possibility of falsification, you hav
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Matthew Frederico wrote:
> I could care less about the bible's rightness or wrongness, Jesus or
> Mohammad. Perhaps what we should care about is what can we do as fathers,
> mothers brothers and sisters with what appears to be a blatant violation of
> our constitu
That is disparaging to monkeys!! LOL!!
Keith Smith
--- On Mon, 6/10/13, Nathan England wrote:
From: Nathan England
Subject: Re: Did Ed Snowden do the right thing?
To: "Provo Linux Users Group"
Date: Monday, June 10, 2013, 3:08 PM
On Monday, June 10, 2013 03:18:08
I think if one reads the Word of God, one will be able to tell right from wrong
and therefore the will of God. This is were it gets fuzzy for me. I think on
several occasions I have been prompted by God to do something. When I saw my
current house I knew it was mine. I felt it in my spirit.
On Monday, June 10, 2013 05:41:24 PM Daniel C. wrote:
> Another way to phrase the same question: Is a right act right because
> God loves it? Or is it loved by God because it is a right act? Which
> comes first, God's love for it, or its rightness?
>
> -Dan
It is in fact a very interesting di
On Monday, June 10, 2013 03:18:08 PM Joel Finlinson wrote:
>I don't subscribe to the philosophy of 1000 monkeys pounding on 1000
> keyboards to create MS Windows. Which is not unlike the big bang theory,
> right?
>
>-jf
Hey, I do subscribe to that theory. Can you prove it otherwise? Do
>
>
> Right he would not. So whatever he tells me to do must be righteous. God
> will never violate His word. Read the Bible. Therefore He would never
> tell me to rape or murder. Whatever he would direct me to do would have to
> be righteous so I would follow.
>
How do you know that right no
On Monday, June 10, 2013 03:13:56 PM Todd Millecam wrote:
> First, let me make my position clear: Christian, Mormon specifically,
> active practicing, largely believing.
>
Good for you. I'm not Mormon, but stand up for what you believe!
> Contrast that to ancient times, I don't know what was h
So all this interesting religious dribble from one guy who decided to rat
out the NSA. Who's right, who's wrong, who's got a better concept of what
is ACTUALLY going on. All of this is conclusive of the fact that we all
live our little lives (myself included), with no REAL understanding of the
bi
Right he would not. So whatever he tells me to do must be righteous. God will
never violate His word. Read the Bible. Therefore He would never tell me to
rape or murder. Whatever he would direct me to do would have to be righteous
so I would follow.
If I heard a voice that said otherwis
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 3:13 PM, Daniel C. wrote:
> They already have the strictly legal options of powers of attorney and
> all of that. It's not a power of attorney that they want - it's the
> label of "marriage" that they want.
Not completely accurate. There are some legal rights and privile
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 5:52 PM, keith smith wrote:
> As a follower of Jesus Christ, if God told me to do something It WOULD have
> to be right. So I would follow.
You just BARELY said that God wouldn't tell you to murder or rape.
Which is it?
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As a follower of Jesus Christ, if God told me to do something It WOULD have to
be right. So I would follow.
God was first. The Word says Wisdom was one of his first creations.
Keith Smith
--- On Mon, 6/10/13, Daniel C. wrote:
From: Daniel C.
Subject: Re: Did Ed S
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 3:33 PM, Charles Curley <
charlescur...@charlescurley.com> wrote:
> * Use the hypothesis to make some predictions which can be falsified.
> Once you introduce the possibility of falsification, you have a
> theory.
>
> * Do the experiments and see if any of them falsify
Yes God did order the death and destruction of his enemies. God makes no
secret of it, sin leads to death. He did the same with Sodom and Gomorrah,
however He himself provided the cause of death - Genesis 19:24 Then the Lord
rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah—from the Lord out o
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 5:30 PM, keith smith wrote:
> First I do not believe God would tell me to violate his word. So I really
> cannot answer your question.
Well, if you think about it, it's kind of impossible for someone to
tell you to violate their word... I mean, if I tell you to do
someth
On Mon, 10 Jun 2013 15:18:08 -0600
Joel Finlinson wrote:
>I don't subscribe to the philosophy of 1000 monkeys pounding on
> 1000 keyboards to create MS Windows. Which is not unlike the big
> bang theory, right?
I've seen the source code for Windows. The thousand monkey hypothesis
has its at
On Mon, 10 Jun 2013 14:51:21 -0600
Joshua Marsh wrote:
> I'm not sure it's either. In my mind the goal of science it to figure
> out how things work.
For some people. Science is done by applying the scientific method,
which is roughly as follows:
* Observe some data.
* Form a hypothesis about
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 2:26 PM, Nathan England wrote:
> I would be interested in an off-topic discussion about the bible's
> "contradictions". The
> only stipulation is we would have to agree which bible we are talking about
> because
> with over 3000 different "versions" they are not all the s
First I do not believe God would tell me to violate his word. So I really
cannot answer your question.
It is difficult to understand, however we have free will while God is in
control. I chose to follow God. If I do not he send me to a place absent him
called Hell. If I chose to be with Go
On Monday, June 10, 2013 13:36:52 Nathan England wrote:
> On Monday, June 10, 2013 04:05:04 PM Daniel C. wrote:
> > And how do you justify the evidence that the deity you believe in has
> > ordered numerous unethical acts to be carried out in his/her/its name?
>
> As job said;
>
> Job 1:21 -- the
On Mon, 10 Jun 2013 14:54:50 -0600
Lonnie Olson wrote:
> The
> objections to building marriage into the legal system should have been
> made hundreds of years ago.
The decision to have marriage run by the state was made by the
theocrats of the middle ages, and they didn't run focus groups or tak
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Daniel C. wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 4:02 PM, Nathan England wrote:
> > I rather choose to get my ethics (and morals!) from the one whom I
> believe created
> > this life. I believe in a higher power that has granted various rights
> and described how
> > w
First, let me make my position clear: Christian, Mormon specifically,
active practicing, largely believing.
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 2:30 PM, keith smith wrote:
Please provide examples of contradictions and I will provide answers.
So, contradiction that was asked for:
God gave the commandme
On Monday, June 10, 2013 12:44:59 justin wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Doran L. Barton wrote:
> > As such, marriage, in the
> > government's eyes, becomes simply a partnership between two people.
>
> * or more.
The only reasonable reason for the government banning polygamy/bigamy is
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 4:54 PM, Lonnie Olson wrote:
> I think at this point all of the rational people that disagree with
> marriage equality, do so on the basis of branding. The use of the
> word marriage. They feel it should be reserved only for the religious
> kind of marriage, and the legal
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 4:23 PM, keith smith wrote:
> I only read the first paragraph and Istopped!! Yikes!! Jesus is not telling
> anyone to "genocide, the murder of a single innocent child, rape, what have
> you".
It's a thought experiment, Keith, not a quote from the Bible. The
question is
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 4:45 PM, Nathan England wrote:
> My only real contention with science is it seems to me an engine to disprove
> God. The bible isn't right when the science proves it, rather science is
> right when
> the bible confirms it. That is what I believe.
This is definitely not th
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Nathan England wrote:
> My only real contention with science is it seems to me an engine to
> disprove
> God. The bible isn't right when the science proves it, rather science is
> right when
> the bible confirms it. That is what I believe.
>
Perhaps this is your
On Monday, June 10, 2013 01:58:37 PM Ryan Moore wrote:
> Well said. It is hard for me to understand why this is such
an emotionally
> charged subject for so many. This simple and rational
conclusion seems
> quite obvious to me. But then again, I do like kool-aid,
gatorade, and
> lemonade. In f
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 1:58 PM, Ryan Moore wrote:
> Well said. It is hard for me to understand why this is such an emotionally
> charged subject for so many. This simple and rational conclusion seems
> quite obvious to me. But then again, I do like kool-aid, gatorade, and
> lemonade. In fact, I
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 2:38 PM, Charles Curley <
charlescur...@charlescurley.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Jun 2013 12:47:22 -0700
> Nathan England wrote:
>
> > Science is in large part unproven theories,
>
> Um, yeah. And this is perfectly reasonable. The job of science is not
> to prove theories, b
On 06/10/2013 08:58 AM, Charles Curley wrote:
On Mon, 10 Jun 2013 07:59:53 -0600
"Doran L. Barton" wrote:
And his employers violated the trust of their employers.
I'm agree, I feel that the 'middle man' here, IE the NSA; is supposed to
be working for the people of the United States of Amer
On Monday, June 10, 2013 02:38:57 PM Charles Curley wrote:
> I have no problem with someone *believing* the bible. I do have a
> problem with trying to use it in scientific endeavors because most
> people who do so use it in the informal fallacy called the argument
> from authority.
My only real
On Mon, 10 Jun 2013 12:47:22 -0700
Nathan England wrote:
> Science is in large part unproven theories,
Um, yeah. And this is perfectly reasonable. The job of science is not
to prove theories, but to disprove them.
> just as the Bible is
> only a book with little physical evidence it is right.
That's funny. Up until a week ago everyone said I wore a tinfoil hat because I
was always taking nonsense. Last week I read many a post that said they now
see why the tinfoil hats where saying what they said.
One of these days I am going to start seeing posts that say they agree with the
"l
On Monday, June 10, 2013 04:05:04 PM Daniel C. wrote:
> And how do you justify the evidence that the deity you believe in has
> ordered numerous unethical acts to be carried out in his/her/its name?
As job said;
Job 1:21 -- the Lord gave, and the Lord hath taken away; blessed be the name of
the
Please provide examples of contradictions and I will provide answers.
Keith Smith
--- On Mon, 6/10/13, Daniel C. wrote:
From: Daniel C.
Subject: Re: Did Ed Snowden do the right thing?
To: "Provo Linux Users Group"
Date: Monday, June 10, 2013, 1:17 PM
On Mon, Jun 1
On Monday, June 10, 2013 04:17:34 PM Daniel C. wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 4:14 PM, keith smith wrote:
> > Thank you for clarifying. I stick with the Bible though!
>
> If you stick with the Bible, how do you resolve its internal
> contradictions? How do you deal with the monstrous things t
On Monday, June 10, 2013 02:07:49 PM Lonnie Olson wrote:
> It was Nathan England who first brought God into this conversation,
followed
> by keith smith who decided to start sharing opinions about marriage, and
> everything else.
> Give them the large OT/Troll stamps. :) Hehe, just another day
On Monday, June 10, 2013 02:06:16 PM Matthew Frederico wrote:
> Oh, and - for you bible thumpers - if we are supposed to be like Jesus -
> exactly what organized Church did Jesus go to? That's the one I want to
> belong to.
Bravo! Well said. Christ condemned organized religion. He taught a
pers
I only read the first paragraph and Istopped!! Yikes!! Jesus is not telling
anyone to "genocide, the murder of a single innocent child, rape, what have
you".
I think you have my faith mixed up with another faith that is heinous. I hope
you are making an innocent mistake and are not being m
On Monday, June 10, 2013 03:56:04 PM Daniel C. wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 3:41 PM, keith smith wrote:
> > Can someone list the "ethical source[s]" - because I think God through His
> > scripture is the only source.
> There's a thought experiment to demonstrate that the deity you worship
> is
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 4:14 PM, keith smith wrote:
> Thank you for clarifying. I stick with the Bible though!
If you stick with the Bible, how do you resolve its internal
contradictions? How do you deal with the monstrous things that God
commanded his followers to do?
- Dan
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On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 1:47 PM, Nathan England wrote:
> I can agree with you in the sense that I find it hilarious anyone would
> use science to
> back up their position. Science is in large part unproven theories, just
> as the Bible is
> only a book with little physical evidence it is right.
>
Thank you for clarifying. I stick with the Bible though!
Keith Smith
--- On Mon, 6/10/13, Ryan Moore wrote:
From: Ryan Moore
Subject: Re: Did Ed Snowden do the right thing?
To: "Provo Linux Users Group"
Date: Monday, June 10, 2013, 12:52 PM
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Ken Jordan wrote:
> Can someone in the current conversation relate this back to the original
> topic or branch it off to another thread? I'm still interested in the
> government security topic and in what everyone thinks is the extent of a
> person's responsibility
Oh goodie ..
Is it not blasphemous for we mortals to be attempting to raise ourselves
above the throne of God? Our vain attempts at coalescing our conscious
understanding into what we were told by another mortal and passing it off
as GOD himself - instead of listening to that God of creation whom
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