On Mon, Nov 24, 2003, it is attributed to Tim Hodgson to have said:
I don't know if anyone can
provide hard information about what proportion of mail servers out there,
running what software, are likely to do this?
Well, unless I missed the setting, EIMS doesn't seem to have it as a
settable
On 24 11 2003 at 5:37 pm -0500, Tim Hodgson wrote:
I don't know if anyone can
provide hard information about what proportion of mail servers out there,
running what software, are likely to do this?
Clearly, nobody can, since nobody knows the details of every one else's
(or anyone's else, if you
This whole argument seems to come down to the issue of whether random
servers through which an email may pass will truncate lines to 78 chars.
Several of us have pointed out that this does happen; Tass's experience
is that it never (or vanishingly rarely) does. I don't know if anyone can
provide
A-NO-NE, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
and No hard-Return to assure the compatibility.
It's a bit silly to not allow hard-returns at the end of paragraphs or
paragraph headlines
PM 4.2.1 | OS X 10.2.6 | Powerbook G3/266 | 128 MB RAM | 20 GB HD
On 11/24/03 1:38 AM tass wrote:
Yes, of course I put in my own returns. That's proper typing;
whether on paper, in a computer window, or so it might be printed
at the other end. To do otherwise is, I'm sorry to say, a laziness
induced by word processing programs that do the job for you, if
tass wrote on Mon 24 Nov 2003 at 01:38 -0700
Yes, of course I put in my own returns. That's proper typing;
whether on paper, in a computer window, or so it might be printed
at the other end.
I think you'll find 99% of users disagree. That is not the accepted way
of using electronic
Hi David.
I apologize for having taken you post harshly. Was getting a
little frustrated, I guess. :-)
Yes, of course I put in my own returns. That's proper typing;
whether on paper, in a computer window, or so it might be printed
at the other end. To do otherwise is, I'm sorry to
On 23/11/03 Wayne Brissette wrote:
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/
20030208 Netscape/7.02
But if the sender and the receiver allowed no limit on the line length
would the same have happened? In other words is it PM that chops the
line length on receipt, or
Hear! Hear! Hiro has spoken the simple truths. I think Michael would also
agree with them.
Just today I have been arguing with a colleague. He wants to sent a 100k
attachment to a 300 people, not all in readily accessible places. I say
we place all those would-be attachments on our web site and
I educate my clients,
Telling them email format must be simple for smooth communication,
Limit to simple text Only,
No HTML,
No attachment but send notice beforehand when needed,
and No hard-Return to assure the compatibility.
--
- Hiro
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If you'd been following the thread, actually reading all, this
question would never have come to mind.
But the answer is:
Of course not. That's the very thing that I've NEVER had to deal
with before, and trying to prevent from occurring. Keep in mind,
all these communications I've sent to
tass wrote on Sun 23 Nov 2003 at 01:59 -0700
I really didn't mean to get you, or anyone else hot about the collar.
Initially,
I just asked a simple question about a long standing feature that's widely
I've come back from a weekend away to too much of this!
Tass, did you claim you are
tass [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 11/23/03 at 2:02 PM stated:
Yes, I typed a return right where you supposed.
And had PM NOT wrapped it at 78, but allowed me to set the wrap
for, say 110 as I've done quite satisfactorily for the past 96+ months,
that's how it would still have shown up.
Here is a
He Marlyse,
Too cute to not reply. :-)
That's exactly my point. Yes, I typed a return right where you supposed.
And had PM NOT wrapped it at 78, but allowed me to set the wrap
for, say 110 as I've done quite satisfactorily for the past 96+ months,
that's how it would still have shown up.
hehe... can't resist this last one - but I promise, after this one I'll
let it rest too:
the following quote is exactly how I received your last message:
As for silly original poster not getting the point; I got it. I got it
years
ago, MANY years ago.
my question:
now, is that really how
On 11/23/03, Marlyse Comte wrote:
I think this is the exact point which hasn't fully been understood yet by
the original poster - I believe he thinks that if it looks nice on HIS
computer, it will arrive the same at some other computer.
---marlyse
OK, it's
ahhh! the quiet observer found where this hole commotion stems from!
Ok, here is something that I'm not getting in the whole email
composition argument. And I'm not meaning to criticize anything, I'm
just seeking clarification. Are you manually entering line-feeds in your
paragraphs?
I think this is the exact point which hasn't fully been understood yet by
the original poster - I believe he thinks that if it looks nice on HIS
computer, it will arrive the same at some other computer.
But this is not the case, exactly as Tim and others have tried to
explain. Just because
You know, several things in that most recent response either ignored what
I wrote or deliberately obfuscated it (or you're just truly not
understanding at all). It's obvious that any further discussion on this
matter is not going to help any of us. Suffice it to say that I think
you're incorrect
But
that doesn't mean for a second that I shouldn't be able to do the best I
can to try to offer them something, that should they want to print it, will
look like anything less than the best that I can offer them.
Tass, that's why we have PDFs. If you're that concerned about the
appearance
Interesting points, Michael. But I'm not missing any of them..
On 11/23/03, Michael Lewis wrote:
tass sez:
Hey Chris.
I've already said that it's obvious that one can't do much about what
happens once it gets into replies. That's the way it goes. So be
tass sez:
Hey Chris.
I've already said that it's obvious that one can't do much about what
happens once it gets into replies. That's the way it goes. So be it.
You're not reading and comprehending. It isn't just replies that will be
munged when your perfect letter goes out. One more time:
P.S. It'll be a long time until I get used to it, but I'm already
trying to work on the command+right/left arrow thing. Thanks for
that, and the rest of the other hints you guys gave. Have fun.
...
big ol' snip
:)
Chris
--
As I mentioned earlier, this is my VERY first experience with NOT being able
to decide how MY letter
should look/read. And being used to that kind of basic freedom, it is not
only annoying, it looks
stupid at the other end and makes the writer look like an idiot - like they
never even
Zach Selland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ok, here is something that I'm not getting in the whole email
composition argument. And I'm not meaning to criticize anything, I'm
just seeking clarification. Are you manually entering line-feeds in your
paragraphs? For me, when I'm composing an email,
Zach Selland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ok, here is something that I'm not getting in the whole email
composition argument. And I'm not meaning to criticize anything, I'm
just seeking clarification. Are you manually entering line-feeds in your
paragraphs? For me, when I'm composing an email,
On 11/22/03, Zach Selland wrote:
Ok, here is something that I'm not getting in the whole email
composition argument. And I'm not meaning to criticize anything, I'm
just seeking clarification. Are you manually entering line-feeds in your
paragraphs?
Ok, here is something that I'm not getting in the whole email
composition argument. And I'm not meaning to criticize anything, I'm
just seeking clarification. Are you manually entering line-feeds in your
paragraphs? For me, when I'm composing an email, PM simply breaks the
lines according the
On 11/22/03, Derry Thompson wrote:
tass at [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on 22/11/03 5:47 pm
And Lisa,
well, no one actually ever USED Lisa, so that's right out also!
;-)
Hey! I had TWO clients with Lisas :)
HAHAHA
have fun,
ht
///
On 11/22/03, Tim Hodgson wrote:
On Sat, Nov 22, 2003 at 10:19 am -0700, tass wrote:
As I mentioned earlier, this is my VERY first experience with NOT being
able
to decide how MY letter should look/read. And being used to that kind of
basic freedom, it is not
tass at [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on 22/11/03 5:47 pm
And Lisa,
well, no one actually ever USED Lisa, so that's right out also!
;-)
Hey! I had TWO clients with Lisas :)
--
Derry Thompson
g l o d e r w o r k s | Design - Hosting - Programming
http://www.gloderworks.com
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 11/22/03, Derry Thompson wrote:
tass at [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on 21/11/03 3:27 pm
It was written in 1982. THAT'S 19 EIGHTY 2!!!
It's not the Magna Carta, it's the Rosetta Stone!!
This thing was written before anyone even had a GUI interface,
On Sat, Nov 22, 2003 at 10:19 am -0700, tass wrote:
As I mentioned earlier, this is my VERY first experience with NOT being able
to decide how MY letter should look/read. And being used to that kind of
basic freedom, it is not only annoying, it looks stupid at the other end and
makes the
tass at [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on 21/11/03 3:27 pm
It was written in 1982. THAT'S 19 EIGHTY 2!!!
It's not the Magna Carta, it's the Rosetta Stone!!
This thing was written before anyone even had a GUI interface, LONG
before anyone could more than dream of a 13 colour VGA monitor.
Ben, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
If you mean in performing a global search, you can choose in selected
folder (blahblah) and subfolders as the scope of context to search.
Yes, but I want that functionality on the filter toolbar, or whatever
it's called.
And on wishing for searching improving even
On 11/22/03, Leonard Morgenstern wrote:
On 11/21/03 9:27 AM tass wrote:
We can wish for something better and agitate for it, but I
don't see it coming soon. Nobody will change until everybody does. It
wouldn't do any good for, say, Earthlink to use it alone.
On 21 11 2003 at 4:28 pm -0500, Mikael Byström wrote:
If I can wish for one improvement here, it would be to be able to filter
also on subfolders from the parent folder.
Mikael, what are you referring to exactly?
If you mean in Mail Filters, you can easily choose any folder at all to
be
On 11/21/03 9:27 AM tass wrote:
The rest of the internet? Who are they? They are us! And standards
aren't what some back-room consortium of techno-geeks says they are.
Standards are what is standard for a given industry or culture.
And this standard is so old that hearing about it is actually
A-NO-NE, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
I do not want MIME. Have you ever experienced MIME bug sent from
Entourage user?
Excuse me, but isn't MIME normally needed when dealing with extended
ASCII messages? I never noticed any MIME problems I can remember using
Emailer, but maybe I was lucky.
PM
tass, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Actually, I don't find it confusing at all since for someone needing
multiple
accounts, this is likely the first, most natural function of having multiple
accounts in the first place.
I disagree wholeheartedly. I'd much rather have all PowerMail list
messages in
tass, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Exactly. Would it be letter, legal, Roman scroll, envelope, etc
So for me it did/does make sense that in email, page would me the
whole page - top to bottom.
But why would you like to do that if Home and End can take you to the
same position? What other
Sorry, but I just don't get it.
What part of Wayne's statement below you didn't understand?
I also challenge you without using MIME to send a message longer than
78 characters and have EVERYBODY receive it using YOUR presets (they
won't). That's simply because you don't control this, the relays
Michael,
Thank you for writing this.
I cannot agree with you more. This was very well written. When I read
this, I remembered a website that was dependent on flash meant to deliver
education in a developing country where many students would be accessing
with older computers for limited times.
Now if we could just figure out what to do with all those darned F
keys
One word: Exposé. :)
Touché!
--
On 21 11 2003 at 1:14 pm -0500, tass wrote:
Now if we could just figure out what to do with all those darned F
keys
One word: Exposé. :)
(well, a multi-button mouse is even better, but still)
-b
--
Ben Kennedy, chief magician
zygoat creative technical services
613-228-3392 |
On 11/21/03, C. A. Niemiec wrote:
As for what the keys are supposed to be for IIRC, how about Print
Screen or SysRq? Aren't there more keys like this orphaned in
technology's advance that have simply acquired new and perhaps somewhat
arbitrary functions?
On 11/21/03, Ben Kennedy wrote:
On 21 11 2003 at 11:42 am -0500, tass wrote:
huh? More intuitive to have to make multiple key moves than to simply use
the provided keys that are marked to do just those things Not sure I
see any logic there.
I think
For the past 20 years
or so, it has been standard to find cmd-leftarrow to go to the left
margin, cmd-rightarrow to go to the right margin, cmd-uparrow to go to
the top of file, cmd-downarrow to go to the bottom. (Really quite more
intuitive if you ask me)
huh? More intuitive to have to make
On 21 11 2003 at 11:42 am -0500, tass wrote:
huh? More intuitive to have to make multiple key moves than to simply use
the provided keys that are marked to do just those things Not sure I
see any logic there.
I think it takes fewer muscles for me to press cmd-arrow than it does for
me
Tass:
I've followed this entire thread right thru to your thanks below. I
think you'll that it's almost always the case in the Mac world (certainly
it's always been true for me) that when you ask for assistance on a given
problem from other Mac-users, you'll find yourself with numerous offers
On 11/21/03, Ben Kennedy wrote:
On 21 11 2003 at 2:40 am -0500, tass wrote:
Those keys are put there so that one can, while manipulating a page of
text,
maneuver about the page and the current line of text exactly as the keys
are labeled.
Home should take
Though I've worked on M$ machines for years, most of those years almost
exclusively on PC, you'll not find me a very strong supporter of them. Quite
the contrary. And in some ways, I feel that I'm a far better judge because
of those years than some of my long standing Mac friends who've
On 21 11 2003 at 2:40 am -0500, tass wrote:
Those keys are put there so that one can, while manipulating a page of text,
maneuver about the page and the current line of text exactly as the keys
are labeled.
Home should take you to the very beginning of the current line of text,
whereas
the
On 21 11 2003 at 10:27 am -0500, tass wrote:
It was written in 1982. THAT'S 19 EIGHTY 2!!!
It's not the Magna Carta, it's the Rosetta Stone!!
[...]
78 characters may have been all that could fit on a 9 monochrome
screen. But it's time to leave the mule and cart behind.
Thanks
On 11/21/03, Wayne Brissette wrote:
tass [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Friday, November 21, 2003 stated:
Columns of text is over - now that we can actually type and format in
PROPER letter fashion.
78 characters may have been all that could fit on a 9 monochrome
On 11/21/03, C. A. Niemiec wrote:
Jerome,
Much greater flexibility of ALL parameters in filter controls and
settings
suggestions are welcome
Well, since you asked... :)
A little +/- button to the right of each rule in a filter so we can
delete them out of
tass [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Friday, November 21, 2003 stated:
Columns of text is over - now that we can actually type and format in
PROPER letter fashion.
78 characters may have been all that could fit on a 9 monochrome
screen. But it's time to leave the mule and cart behind.
:-)
Have
Hi Michael.
As I mentioned, I have FULL appreciation for plug ins. You couldn't be
more right
about there being right tools already made.
But that doesn't mean that many good ideas can't be brought into the app
itself
as an integral part of the basic function.
Giving the user the option
Once everyone mentioned this document like it was the Magna Carta,
I looked at it for about 6 seconds.
It was written in 1982. THAT'S 19 EIGHTY 2!!!
It's not the Magna Carta, it's the Rosetta Stone!!
This thing was written before anyone even had a GUI interface, LONG
before
On 11/21/03, PowerMail Engineering wrote:
tass wrote:
different audio announcements for each account selectable, and a search
function in the
audio settings so we can use other than the few sounds factory available.
You can use a filter for this, however
tass sez:
Like actually putting useful tools INTO the program
instead of everything being about plug ins. Though there are times where
I do like to be able to choose which tool I'll use.
You're going to find in the Mac world that this is one of the most hotly
debated things. People either
tass [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 11/21/03 at 1:40 AM stated:
either specify, or turn off Word Wrap as default - for both incoming
AND outgoing mail.
Not possible, there is no such concept in RFC 822 e-mail; see Wayne
Brissette for details. :)
I'm not sure what you mean not possible. Every email
tass wrote:
different audio announcements for each account selectable, and a search
function in the
audio settings so we can use other than the few sounds factory available.
You can use a filter for this, however only Mac OS 9 sounds are supported
at this time.
Signature can insert either at
Yet a few inline comments below:
At Fri, 21 Nov 2003 02:06:23 -0500 (CET), Ben Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
either specify, or turn off Word Wrap as default - for both incoming
AND outgoing mail.
Not possible, there is no such concept in RFC 822 e-mail; see Wayne
Brissette for details. :)
Op donderdag, 20 november 2003 schreef tass:
Greetings.
After trying almost a dozen different email clients to help finalize my
move from
Windows to Mac and Linux platforms, PowerMail looks like the most promising
of the bunch.
Great choice! congrats.
either specify, or turn off Word Wrap
tass wrote on Thu 20 Nov 2003 at 21:31 -0700
Show number of (at least) NEW emails present in each folder, not just bold
the folder with new mail in it.
I can see that already at the bottom of the Mail Browser window. I guess
you really want it next to each folder though?
Ability to specify
Thanks Ben. Here we go some more...
On 11/21/03, Ben Kennedy wrote:
On 20 11 2003 at 11:31 pm -0500, tass wrote:
There are a few things that I haven't figured out yet, and can't find any
documentation for, so I'm checking here to see if anyone might
On 20 11 2003 at 11:31 pm -0500, tass wrote:
There are a few things that I haven't figured out yet, and can't find any
documentation for, so I'm checking here to see if anyone might be able to
offer some guidance for these few items of confusion,
Here we go.
either specify, or turn off Word
Greetings.
After trying almost a dozen different email clients to help finalize my
move from
Windows to Mac and Linux platforms, PowerMail looks like the most promising
of the bunch.
This has been a LOT tougher than it may sound since, while on Windows, I was
pleased to use the best email
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