Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-07 Thread KinsleyForPrez08
, September 02, 2005 11:15 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame? >I just got it. The less we hold people accountable for there own actions, >the more we can blame the administration for all their troubles. Makes >perfect sense to me. > > Jeff > &g

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-05 Thread Keith Addison
"We need food and water and they sent us men with guns" - Katrina survivor > "They give us food and they shoot us," a Somali said [of UN >peacekeepers in 1993]. Such extraordinary comparisons one can make. John posted a message titled "Is Katrina the end to Bush's brand of 'conservatism'?" whi

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-05 Thread Keith Addison
Oh dear... you sure have some homework to do Rick, on just about all counts. I suggest you do so before you argue any further about it, on just how that half-million-odd children died and why (Hakan didn't say they starved), on the Iraq food program under Saddam Hussein (very few people starved

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-05 Thread Richard Littrell
Dear Hakan, I hold no brief for the second Gulf war and am totally disgusted with George Bush and was so before it became cool to be disgusted with George Bush. However, this assertion about the US led blockade has always seemed to me grossly unfair. Large numbers of children (and adults fo

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-04 Thread Keith Addison
>I, on the other hand, am purposefully ignoring both Keith and Hakan and >am kind of hurt that neither one has even noticed. >Hakan and Keith, please ignore this post. What post? Keith >Garth & Kim Travis wrote: > > >Greetings Keith and Hakan, > >I am not ignoring you or refusing to answer. My

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-04 Thread Mike Weaver
I, on the other hand, am purposefully ignoring both Keith and Hakan and am kind of hurt that neither one has even noticed. Hakan and Keith, please ignore this post. Garth & Kim Travis wrote: >Greetings Keith and Hakan, >I am not ignoring you or refusing to answer. My AC went down and my >compu

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-04 Thread Mike Weaver
Look how well the US embargo of Cuba has worked. If it's such a good idea to embargo Communist countries, let's embargo China. We can't of course, they could destroy our country's currency at the drop of a hat. Personally, if we want to get rid of Castro, probably the best thing we could d

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-04 Thread Garth & Kim Travis
Greetings Keith and Hakan, I am not ignoring you or refusing to answer. My AC went down and my computer does not like to work in 90F+. I have to use the cool of the day to get the farm chores done. I will be back. Bright Blessings, Kim At 07:15 PM 9/2/2005, you wrote: >Kim, > >During the yea

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-03 Thread Mike Weaver
u please elaborate? > > >Greg H. > > >- Original Message - >From: "Mike Weaver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: >Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 20:03 >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame? > > > > >>I want

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-02 Thread Terry Dyck
island. Terry Dyck >From: TarynToo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >Subject: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame? >Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 17:20:11 -0400 > >I live in South Florida, on hig

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-02 Thread Greg and April
say it now: > > > >If anyone on this list, would like help putting together a 72 hr kit, I > >would be more than happy to give any help I can! > > > >In part it's a little like learning to make BioDiesel because the DinoDiesel > >is running out. > >

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-02 Thread S. Chapin
Garth & Kim Travis wrote: > Greetings Joe, > Actually we are in SE Texas. That is why we caught the very edge of > Katrina. I have been talking to people from New Orleans that left as > the evacuation was happening. This is how I could state, that as far > as I have been able to find out, th

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-02 Thread Hakan Falk
Kim, During the years between the first and the second Gulf war, a very large number of children died each year, something that Galloway picked up in his part of the US "oil for food" hearings. "..- who died only because the fact that they were born in Iraq at the wrong time". Many 1,000's more t

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-02 Thread Garth & Kim Travis
Greetings Joe, Actually we are in SE Texas.  That is why we caught the very edge of Katrina.  I have been talking to people from New Orleans that left as the evacuation was happening.  This is how I could state, that as far as I have been able to find out, there were no hitchhikers on  the exits

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-02 Thread Mike Weaver
how > would I prove a negative wrong? > > Greg H. > > > > > - Original Message - > From: "Manzo, Emil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 13:37 > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame? &g

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-02 Thread Michael Redler
"What I said was if you have such unconditional compassion you SHOULD be going to do something otherwise what does that make you?"   ...passing judgment to the very end, and still as baseless and convoluted as ever. My argument has been focused on passing judgment and "accountability". Where sho

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-02 Thread Appal Energy
d other than >2 cans of soup and a few crackers that I had with me, so you can not say >that I haven't " been on a roof top ", and don't know what it's like. > >Preparations can be made if you make the effort. > >I made the effort, it can be done. > >

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-02 Thread Appal Energy
You not only didn't read what I wrote Kim, you completely sidestep, ignore and jump over your own all-encompassing statements and the singular stewpot that you place everyone in who doesn't measure up to your judgemental standards. And yet you continue to pass judgement on others in the midst o

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-02 Thread Joe Street
Ok well for what it's worh your statment at a) is wrong; I didn't judge that you stated you were involved or not involved.  What I said was if you have such unconditional compassion you SHOULD be going to do something otherwise what does that make you? And your statement at b) is wrong; The

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-02 Thread Greg and April
rina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?   Being apologetic doesn't change the fact that these kinds of generalizations express a kind of discrimination that, at best has no value and at worst becomes the seed for something worse.   Mike Garth & Kim Travis <[E

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-02 Thread je.howard
I just got it. The less we hold people accountable for there own actions, the more we can blame the administration for all their troubles. Makes perfect sense to me. Jeff ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.o

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-02 Thread Michael Redler
OK Joe, here we go.   "I asume you are writing from your laptop enroute to the damage zone to 'walk the walk' and not just talk the talk."   You've given me an exellent example to prove my point.   This reaction from you implies that either:   a.) I falsely stated that I'm involved in the rescue ef

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-02 Thread Joe Street
Hi Kim; I always enjoy reading your posts.  I wish you didn't live so far away.  I think you are in West Texas or New Mexico?  Sounds like your place would be a marvel to visit and if I ever get down that way again I would defininitely like to meet you and Garth.  I know exactly what you mean

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-02 Thread robert luis rabello
Michael Redler wrote: > I have a lot of friends in Canada who don't think like your posts > suggest and I'm grateful. I often see Canadian culture as nurturing the > voice of reason (what you call fence riding). Many Canadians DO think of themselves as a voice of reason. Kim has point

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-02 Thread Michael Redler
I have a lot of friends in Canada who don't think like your posts suggest and I'm grateful. I often see Canadian culture as nurturing the voice of reason (what you call fence riding).   The US has a long history of judging people. Pearl Harbor (for example) gets bombed by Japan and Japanese-Americ

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-02 Thread bob allen
"blame Canada" (terrance and phillip) Frantz DESPREZ wrote: > "France must be punished" >Condie RICE > :-) > frantz > > On Aug 31, 2005, at 11:10 PM, Marylynn Schmidt wrote: > > >>>OK .. well .. history >>> >>>New Orleans, as was the rest of Louisiana (remember something

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-02 Thread Joe Street
It's the same world you live in Mike but some people just have the blinders off; Ok in a disaster of that scale how high on a list of needs is a TV set?  What would YOU call the person walking out a storefront with one? There is a difference between compassion and blindness.  If you had a long

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-02 Thread Mike Weaver
Yeah, let's get Mel Gibson to spank 'em Frantz DESPREZ wrote: >"France must be punished" > Condie RICE >:-) >frantz > >On Aug 31, 2005, at 11:10 PM, Marylynn Schmidt wrote: > > > >>>OK .. well .. history >>> >>>New Orleans, as was the rest of Louisiana (remember something call

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-02 Thread Garth & Kim Travis
Greetings Joe, Thank you. Yes, fence riding is a Canadian hobby, isn't it? It is easy to understand why, when you read stuff like Todd is sending. I have had friends look at me startled and say: "You are judging me." and I reply, " If I don't judge you and find you worthy, how can I call you

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-02 Thread Michael Redler
OK, when you're done celebrating, you still have to figure out who "they" are. So far, you've done the equivalent of pointing at a crowd of people and calling "them" thieves because you spotted one walking out of a store with a TV.   Oh how easy it must be to live in your world!   MikeJoe Street

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-02 Thread Michael Redler
You say that it's not that simple yet, you generalize by pointing to a mixed group of people and take a position against "them", saying that "they" don't help themselves and shoot at rescue workers.   Oversimplified - Hell Yes!   Who are "they" and how do you know the circumstances of each person

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-02 Thread Joe Street
Garth & Kim Travis wrote: >Greetings, > >If it is discriminatory to call a thief a thief, then I discriminate. If >it is discrimination to call a liar a liar, then I do discriminate. Could >you please tell me how things can get better by letting people get away >with whatever they feel like

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-02 Thread Appal Energy
Go back and read your own words Kim. Their all-inclusiveness painted everyone with the same broad brush. No different than Greg, you imply that everyone who remained is of the same mindset/mentality, and then you both progress and attempt to convict all who stayed as having the same criminal in

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-02 Thread Garth & Kim Travis
Greetings, If it is discriminatory to call a thief a thief, then I discriminate. If it is discrimination to call a liar a liar, then I do discriminate. Could you please tell me how things can get better by letting people get away with whatever they feel like? No one held accountable, is this

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-02 Thread Greg and April
Why not Sony? Greg H. - Original Message - From: "John Hayes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 6:56 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame? > > I prefer Blaupunkt over Pioneer, but my friend prefers Aiwa. Anyt

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-02 Thread John I
> Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 03:02:27 -0400 > From: TarynToo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is > There Blame? > To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASC

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-02 Thread Michael Redler
"We never said that every child's death was it's parents fault, or anything like that.  However, in the world I live in, there are people who expect others to do for them, what they should be doing for themselves."   Being apologetic doesn't change the fact that these kinds of generalizations expr

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-02 Thread John Hayes
Garth & Kim Travis wrote: > Greetings, > No one but you has brought up any stereo types. I prefer Blaupunkt over Pioneer, but my friend prefers Aiwa. Anything is better than Sony. Oh wait... nevermind. ;) jh ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustai

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-02 Thread Michael Redler
"Preparations can be made if you make the effort."   This thread is beginning to take on a "they" flavor. They were unprepared, lazy, foolish, etc.   I do everything I can to resist the urge to judge people. However, I exercise every freedom to judge other people's opinions and philosophies with

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-02 Thread Garth & Kim Travis
Greetings, No one but you has brought up any stereo types. If you honestly believe that everyone who has been injured by this storm is an innocent bystander, then enjoy your rose colored glasses. Most of us feel anger that children died because their parents would not heed warnings. We never

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-02 Thread Fritz Friesinger
: Thursday, September 01, 2005 10:32 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame? > Greg has not condemned anyone who tried to> help themselves, just those who don't.And precisely who's position is it to condemn anyone? And what right is it of

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-02 Thread Garth & Kim Travis
Greetings, I am sorry if I took your comment the wrong way. I am just trying to share alternatives. You are correct, there is no one size fits all in the health department, since our genealogy has lots to do with what will work for us At 06:47 PM 9/1/2005, you wrote: >Kim , my apologies if my

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-02 Thread Frantz DESPREZ
"France must be punished" Condie RICE :-) frantz On Aug 31, 2005, at 11:10 PM, Marylynn Schmidt wrote: >>OK .. well .. history >> >>New Orleans, as was the rest of Louisiana (remember something called >>the >>Louisiana Purchase) owned by the French and was an important port o

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-02 Thread TarynToo
> To > destroy this invisible government, to befoul the unholy alliance > between > corrupt business and corrupt politics is the first task of the > statesmen of > today." > - President Theodore Roosevelt - 1906 > > - Original Message - > From: "Ga

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-01 Thread Greg and April
arn other's ) and I don't like it one little bit.      Greg H.   - Original Message - From: Michael Redler To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 14:54 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-01 Thread John I
> Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 14:37:35 -0500 > From: "Manzo, Emil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is > There Blame? > To: > Message-ID: > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-01 Thread Flamemom
In a message dated 9/1/2005 5:16:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm sure that there is a percentage of people who have exercised poor judgment. Who hasn't exercised poor judgment? The irony here is how you express less sympathy as the suffering from those mis

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-01 Thread Greg and April
would I prove a negative wrong? Greg H. - Original Message - From: "Manzo, Emil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 13:37 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame? > You can either shrug it off or have compassion for a

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-01 Thread Greg and April
OTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 13:27 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame? > You know Greg, > > Sometimes doing nothing is the best that anyone can do. I guess it's > been a long time since you've been at the bottom of the hea

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-01 Thread KinsleyForPrez08
2005 7:15 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame? > Greetings, > > I am wondering, are Greg and I the only ones that feel frustration with > people who don't care about their lives, then expect someone else to pick > up the pieces? > > Greg ha

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-01 Thread Appal Energy
> Greg has not condemned anyone who tried to > help themselves, just those who don't. And precisely who's position is it to condemn anyone? And what right is it of their's to say that those whom they condemn or denigrate didn't do all they could within their means? An estimated 112,000 homes t

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-01 Thread Mike Weaver
's a little like learning to make BioDiesel because the DinoDiesel >is running out. > >Just remember, is going to be extremely hard to put one together, during an >emergency, so do it before it occurs. > >Greg H. > > >- Original Message - >From: "

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-01 Thread Joe Street
30% H2O2 is ridiculously expensive as well. $230.00 per gallon in Canada. It is hell on wheels though for cleaning silicon pretty near to the atomic level when mixed 50/50 with concentrated sulfuric. Don't try this at home kids. Joe bob allen wrote: on the safety of hydrogen peroxide, from

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-01 Thread Mike Weaver
Sounds more like the parable of the ant and the grasshopper. Michael Redler wrote: > Kim, > > "I don't see that a rant against people who have endangered themselves > and others is out of line." > > I have no problem voicing my opposition to what I feel is a > bad decision. If I knew that a

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-01 Thread Michael Redler
Kim,   "I don't see that a rant against people who have endangered themselves and others is out of line."   I have no problem voicing my opposition to what I feel is a bad decision. If I knew that an individual was aware of the advanced warning and ignored it, I'd have no problem telling him/

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-01 Thread bob allen
Kim , my apologies if my position was taken as ridicule, there was no such intent. All I am trying to do is point out all the variables in any health decision, particularly when someone makes a blanket statement such as A is good, B is bad. arth & Kim Travis wrote: > Greetings, > > I was sug

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-01 Thread Ray J
i think a few cases of bottled water and or jugs of distiled water from the supermarket will last a few years lol ... Garth & Kim Travis wrote: >Greetings, > >I was suggesting an alternative for those whose health is of vital >importance, to them. I am fighting hard to prevent myself

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-01 Thread Garth & Kim Travis
Greetings, I am wondering, are Greg and I the only ones that feel frustration with people who don't care about their lives, then expect someone else to pick up the pieces? Greg has not condemned anyone who tried to help themselves, just those who don't. I can remember my parents being irate w

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-01 Thread bob allen
on the safety of hydrogen peroxide, from the msds: note at the bottom, ...may cause... death. http://www.bu.edu/es/labsafety/ESMSDSs/MSHydPeroxide.html Potential Health Effects Eye: Causes eye burns. Produces irritation, characterized by a burning sensation, redness, tearing, inflammation, an

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-01 Thread Brian Rodgers
Ok great thank you bright blessings Kim. With all of this information coming in, sometimes it seems like somebody can find something wrong with every remedy. I was hoping for something a bit more... fun and less fearful than chlorine. I thought the silver coin idea was a wives tale that some scient

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-01 Thread Garth & Kim Travis
Greetings, I was suggesting an alternative for those whose health is of vital importance, to them. I am fighting hard to prevent myself from becoming totally chemically sensitive, so I can still have a life. Many of the things our government says are safe are responsible for people becoming

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-01 Thread bob allen
at what concentration is hydrogen peroxide safe? At what concentration is chlorine bleach unsafe? also at what concentration is H2O2 effective and at what concentration is chlorine ineffective against what organisms? viruses? bacteria? cryptosporidium? giradia? amoeba? nematodes? etc. darn,

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-01 Thread Garth & Kim Travis
Greetings, Actually, I prefer hydrogen peroxide to chlorine for keep my water fresh. It does not have the toxic effects, especially for young girls and child bearing aged women. Sorry, but chlorine is not safe. Bright Blessings, Kim At 12:51 PM 9/1/2005, you wrote: >Thanks for the info Emil. >

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-01 Thread Michael Redler
Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg andAprilSent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 1:47 PMTo: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?Yes.If people live in an area, they should learn of dangerous naturalocc

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-01 Thread Manzo, Emil
riginal Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg and April Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 1:47 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame? Yes. If people live in an area, they should learn of da

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-01 Thread Appal Energy
utting together a 72 hr kit, I >would be more than happy to give any help I can! > >In part it's a little like learning to make BioDiesel because the DinoDiesel >is running out. > >Just remember, is going to be extremely hard to put one together, during an >emergency, so do it be

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-01 Thread Greg and April
n not cure a case of death by dehydration. Greg H. - Original Message - From: "Brian Rodgers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 10:36 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame? SNIP > > H

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-01 Thread Greg and April
is going to be extremely hard to put one together, during an emergency, so do it before it occurs. Greg H. - Original Message - From: "Manzo, Emil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 10:33 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-01 Thread Greg and April
Were you inquiring 'bad' as in micro-organisms or 'bad' as to taste? Greg H. - Original Message - From: "Brian Rodgers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 11:51 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blam

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-01 Thread Brian Rodgers
Thanks for the info Emil. I remember now reading of the silver coin in water from another thread. Somehow I think it sounds kind of weird though. We use untreated well water and I could stand a bit of chlorine in an emergency. Usually we have some water supply interruption during Winter. It is reas

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-01 Thread Manzo, Emil
Behalf Of Brian Rodgers Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 12:37 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame? Hi Greg you write>"I am on a budget, yet I still managed to put together three 55 gal plastic drums of water, and a few hundre

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-01 Thread Manzo, Emil
PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg and April Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 2:57 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame? They are culpable, if they continue their parents mistakes.Indeed they should have a better

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-01 Thread Brian Rodgers
Hi Greg you write>"I am on a budget, yet I still managed to put together three 55 gal plastic drums of water, and a few hundred pounds of wheat, beans, powdered milk, butter powder, white and brown sugar, honey, dry fruit, & vitamins.I have used salvaged building materials ( most of which didn'

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-01 Thread Greg and April
cost a thing ) to build a safe room. Greg H. - Original Message - From: "bob allen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 7:17 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame? Howdy Greg, you seem a little hard on those who did

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-01 Thread bob allen
er all, the estimated population, in 2003, is less than 1000. > > Greg H. > > > > - Original Message - > From: "TarynToo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 11:12 > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is Ther

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-08-31 Thread TarynToo
no, but there will always be those foolish and greedy enough to return to Orleans. Taryn <http://ornae.com/> > > > - Original Message ----- > From: "TarynToo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 11:12 > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-08-31 Thread TarynToo
ion . Behavior Problems . Ordained > Minister . > Pet Loss Grief Counseling . Radionics . Dowsing . Nutrition . > Homeopathy . > Herbs. . Polarity . Reiki . Spiritual Travel > The Animal Connection Healing Modalities > http://members.tripod.com/~MLSchmidt/ > > >> From:

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-08-31 Thread Greg and April
sphere that New Orleans does , after all, the estimated population, in 2003, is less than 1000. Greg H. - Original Message - From: "TarynToo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 11:12 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame? SNIP

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Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-08-31 Thread Greg and April
nt: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 11:41 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame? > I think they live below sea-level in the Netherlands too? People have to > live somewhere. We do the best we can with the tools we have. OK, back > to finding energy > > -

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2005-08-31 Thread Manzo, Emil
ehalf Of Joe Street Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 11:24 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame? TarynToo wrote: Snip >But you can't expect to live on a flood plain, or a sand bar, or a >muddy hillside, or a dry pine f

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-08-31 Thread Manzo, Emil
, 2005 1:12 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame? Hi, Juan and Greg On Aug 31, 2005, at 10:18 AM, Juan Gutierrez wrote: > People, were there first and form there own local governments before > the feds showed up. > besides aren

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2005-08-31 Thread TarynToo
Hi, Juan and Greg On Aug 31, 2005, at 10:18 AM, Juan Gutierrez wrote: > People, were there first and form there own local governments before > the feds showed up. > besides aren't people ultimately responsible for themselves or do you > want the feds or corporate bigwigs telling you where you

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-08-31 Thread Joe Street
TarynToo wrote: Snip >But you can't expect to live on a flood plain, or a sand bar, or a >muddy hillside, or a dry pine forest, and be safe. Should governments >issue building permits in swamps? Should insurance companies write fire >policies on wooden houses in pine forests? Flood policies

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2005-08-31 Thread Greg and April
nies leave the area, because the cost of rebuilding ( not to mention insurance ) will be to high. How many more hurricanes will it take for New Orleans to wake up to it's problems? Greg H. - Original Message - From: "TarynToo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, Augus

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2005-08-31 Thread Juan Gutierrez
d you speak of its all swamps west of Miami. From: TarynToo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame? Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 17:20:11 -0400 I live in South Florida, on high(

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2005-08-31 Thread Brian Rodgers
Very true. My home is on the edge of a pine forest and has been here since before it was fashionable to build in the forest. I don't cary nearly the concern for humanity that many others do. It is my opinion that the old Toyota slogan says it all, "You asked for it, you got it!" Many people have b

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2005-08-31 Thread Mike Weaver
We do the same things with barriar islands up here then get all upset when they blow away. TarynToo wrote: >I live in South Florida, on high(ish) ground. Katrina came past and >gave my neighborhood a little slap, on her way out to the warm gulf >waters, where she organized into a cat 5 hurrica

[Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-08-30 Thread TarynToo
I live in South Florida, on high(ish) ground. Katrina came past and gave my neighborhood a little slap, on her way out to the warm gulf waters, where she organized into a cat 5 hurricane. Now 1.5 million people are homeless, jobless, and in shock, just from New Orleans alone. There's no guessin

[Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-08-30 Thread TarynToo
I live in South Florida, on high(ish) ground. Katrina came past and gave my neighborhood a teeny slap, on her way out to the gulf. Now 1.5 million people are homeless, jobless, and in shock, just from New Orleans alone. Entrepreneurs and businesses have always gone where the resources are. Re