Karl Kuras wrote:
>
> > So I suppose you don't want me to point out that your website is
> incorrectly
> > spelled as "sight" -- unless that was intentional... :-)
>
> Ok... there is a story behind the misspelling of site The page was
> supposed to be C64 Site, but I goofed up on my second
> So I suppose you don't want me to point out that your website is
incorrectly
> spelled as "sight" -- unless that was intentional... :-)
Ok... there is a story behind the misspelling of site The page was
supposed to be C64 Site, but I goofed up on my second logo (the one which
was a mockup
is going to say, "No, I don't have a PC...I have a Dell."
Now the differences are between OSs: I run windows or NT or Linux.
Hugh
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From: Jim Leonard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 4:00 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [SWCollect]
Hugh Falk wrote:
>
> "PC games are generally pretty rare because people didn't really use the PC
> to play games until about 1985..."
>
> I know what you mean (from context), but you can see how this statement
> could be taken wrong. Am I saying you can't use "PC" to refer to IBM
> PCs...no. Y
me PC means IBM PC. When I say PC, I mean personal computers.
I run a site about PC games.
Jim runs a site about IBM-compatible PC games.
Hugh
-Original Message-
From: Lee K. Seitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 10:50 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [SWCol
Hugh Falk wrote:
>
> Well, here is where the usage is important. Let's say I'm having a
> conversation about "video games." There are many types of video games:
> Arcade games, console games, PC games -- just to name the largest
> categories. So how would I talk specifically about games played
Hugh Falk wrote:
>
> Well, you can call it whatever you like. The IBM-compatible PC is a "PC,"
> but so is Apple and the others. So it isn't correct to only call that brand
> a PC. If you chose to be incorrect, that's your choice.
>
> For example, you could incorrectly say something like this
Hugh Falk wrote:
>
> I'm
> simply saying that it is incorrect to say that the term "PC" only applies to
> IBM/Intel-compatibles.
Which term? Personal Computer, or IBM PC Model 5150? "PC" is an abbreviation
for both.
That, ultimately, is the crux of my argument.
--
http://www.MobyGames.com/
Pedro Quaresma wrote:
>
> Hugh Falk wrote:
> >Well, you can call it whatever you like. The IBM-compatible PC is a "PC,"
> >but so is Apple and the others. So it isn't correct to only call that
> brand
> >a PC. If you chose to be incorrect, that's your choice.
> >For example, you could incorrec
Hugh Falk wrote:
>
> Well, you can call it whatever you like. The IBM-compatible PC is a "PC,"
> but so is Apple and the others. So it isn't correct to only call that brand
> a PC. If you chose to be incorrect, that's your choice.
I am not calling "that brand a PC" -- maybe you're misundersta
Pedro Quaresma wrote:
>
> >Ah, but let's keep in mind that we are not limited to common vernacular.
> We
> >are the "experts" in this field.
>
> We are?! :>
You know of some *other* mailing list dedicated to the mechanics of collecting
software? ;-D
--
http://www.MobyGames.com/
The world's mo
Hugh Falk boldly stated:
>
>Well, here is where the usage is important. Let's say I'm having a
>conversation about "video games." There are many types of video games:
>Arcade games, console games, PC games -- just to name the largest
>categories. So how would I talk specifically about games pla
Karl Kuras wrote:
>
> > On a related note, did it bother anyone else in the 80's when people would
> > refer to Atari or Nintendo cartridges as "tapes?" Ugh, for similar
> reasons,
> > I don't refer to Intel-based IBM clones only as PCs. Just because it was
> > common doesn't make it right.
>
Original Message-
From: Jim Leonard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 8:30 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors
Hugh Falk wrote:
>
> Ah, but let's keep in mind that we are not limited to common vernacular.
We
>
Hugh Falk wrote:
>
> Ah, but let's keep in mind that we are not limited to common vernacular. We
> are the "experts" in this field. Just as doctors, mechanics, etc. have
> their own words and terms to discuss their expertise, so should we. These
> words need not be known or understood by the l
Karl Kuras wrote:
>
> > If you REALLY want to talk semantics, I don't ever remember
> > "Intel-compatibles" being part of common vernacular...
>
> OK... the gauntlet has been tossed Let the SEMANTIC WARS BEGIN!!!
>
> (sarcasm added at no extra cost)
(laughing my ass off) I think I deserve
Karl Kuras wrote:
>
> > I was one of the first 10 Abandonware websites, and
> >I built up the original AB ring with a search engine, mailing list,
> >etc. I was also, not by coincidence, the first AB site taken down by
> >the IDSA. My site was up in 1997.
>
> Well I can't say anything persona
Pedro Quaresma wrote:
>
> Jim Leonard wrote:
> >Pedro Quaresma wrote:
> >
> > >Yes, but that's not the point; as I explained earlier, the PC versions
> > >are signficantly different, rare, or both. Hence the need to get them.
> >
> > Usually the AppleII versions of most games are more rare
>
>
age-
From: Pedro Quaresma [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 11:20 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors
Hugh Falk wrote:
>Well, you can call it whatever you like. The IBM-compatible PC is a "PC,"
>but so is Apple and
Hugh Falk wrote:
>Well, you can call it whatever you like. The IBM-compatible PC is a "PC,"
>but so is Apple and the others. So it isn't correct to only call that
brand
>a PC. If you chose to be incorrect, that's your choice.
>For example, you could incorrectly say something like this, "I was
since that would be
incorrect). I prefer to discuss both my rectum and my PCs correctly :-))).
Hugh
-Original Message-
From: Pedro Quaresma [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 5:27 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors
>
Hugh Falk boldly stated:
>
>On a related note, did it bother anyone else in the 80's when people would
>refer to Atari or Nintendo cartridges as "tapes?"
Yes, and it still does. Although I understand it sometimes help to
stoop to that level to find them at yard sales. 8) I believe classic
game
>Ah, but let's keep in mind that we are not limited to common vernacular.
We
>are the "experts" in this field.
We are?! :>
>Just as doctors, mechanics, etc. have
>their own words and terms to discuss their expertise, so should we.
But we do, like the pink frisbee, or the OCCID, or the hobbyt,
> On a related note, did it bother anyone else in the 80's when people would
> refer to Atari or Nintendo cartridges as "tapes?" Ugh, for similar
reasons,
> I don't refer to Intel-based IBM clones only as PCs. Just because it was
> common doesn't make it right.
Well, talking about pet peeves, i
quot;tapes?" Ugh, for similar reasons,
I don't refer to Intel-based IBM clones only as PCs. Just because it was
common doesn't make it right.
Hugh
-Original Message-
From: Jim Leonard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 3:13 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subj
> Hugh Falk wrote:
> >
> > Oh yeah! :-) Well PC != IBM. PC stands for Personal Computer. Apple,
TI,
> > Atari, C64, etc. are all PCs. So if we're talking semantics, you should
> > refer to them like I do on my site -- "Intel-compatibles" or "Intels"
for
> > short. Of course, back in the 80's,
Hugh Falk wrote:
>
> Oh yeah! :-) Well PC != IBM. PC stands for Personal Computer. Apple, TI,
> Atari, C64, etc. are all PCs. So if we're talking semantics, you should
> refer to them like I do on my site -- "Intel-compatibles" or "Intels" for
> short. Of course, back in the 80's, they were
y were called "IBM-compatibles," but
in hindsight, "Intel-compatibles" is a more appropriate term.
Hugh
-Original Message-
From: Jim Leonard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 12:57 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [SWCollect] trademark for col
>> That's not quite the truth. Baldur's Gate 2 sells, doesn't it? And it's
2D.
>>True, but it took some 3D products first to qualify this.
>What do you mean? That it took several 3d "mistakes" for people to see that
>2d was OK too?
I think he means that it took several 3D games to make the genr
> I was one of the first 10 Abandonware websites, and
>I built up the original AB ring with a search engine, mailing list,
>etc. I was also, not by coincidence, the first AB site taken down by
>the IDSA. My site was up in 1997.
Well I can't say anything personally... but by 1997, the abandonwa
Jim Leonard wrote:
>Pedro Quaresma wrote:
>
> >Yes, but that's not the point; as I explained earlier, the PC versions
> >are signficantly different, rare, or both. Hence the need to get them.
>
> Usually the AppleII versions of most games are more rare
>In what world do you live in? :-)
In a
Pedro Quaresma wrote:
>
> >Yes, but that's not the point; as I explained earlier, the PC versions
> >are signficantly different, rare, or both. Hence the need to get them.
>
> Usually the AppleII versions of most games are more rare
In what world do you live in? :-) The Apple II had a HUGE p
LKS> Of course it's collectible! You never know when you'll find the disks
LKS> loose somewhere. Surely you can't tell me you'd pass over a "pink
LKS> frisbee" or Suspended mask package just because the disks were
LKS> missing. Obviously a package with disks is worth more than one
LKS> without
Jim Leaonrd wrote:
>Pedro Quaresma wrote:
>
> >No, but it *is* the floppies that make Zinderneuf or Fractalus or
> >CCnChomp rare. I have Zinderneuf; I have strong info that CCnChomp
> >exists; Fractalus is an unconfirmed rumor. Honestly, the boxes mean
> >jack squat to me right now about those
Hugh Falk wrote:
>
> Okay, well the word has come back from Jon, and the answer
> is...inconclusive. He said there wasn't one when he left Epyx to form Free
> Fall Associates in 81 (which makes sense, of course). However, there could
> have been one made later on.
That is exactly the answer I
83 so it's possible that a
DOS version was also made.
Hugh
-Original Message-
From: Hugh Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 10:54 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors
Jim,
I've sent Jon Freeman a note asking if a DOS
Jim Leonard boldly stated:
>
>"Lee K. Seitz" wrote:
>>
>> them in to get one.) Many people have it at the top of their wanted
>> list, but (even discounting one-of-a-kind prototypes) there are
>> certainly other games that are rarer.
>
>What's rarer than a one-of-a-kind prototype? I thought pro
Hugh Falk wrote:
>
> Cracked? What do you mean? I have the original box and disk that says on
> the EA label: "IBM XT, PC, PCjr, COMPAQ"
PC does not equal "DOS". It is a bootable disk, like Pinball
Construction Set, Music Construction Set, Dr J. and Larry Bird go One on
One, and other convers
Cracked? What do you mean? I have the original box and disk that says on
the EA label: "IBM XT, PC, PCjr, COMPAQ"
Hugh
-Original Message-
From: Jim Leonard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 2:59 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [SWCollect] tra
"Lee K. Seitz" wrote:
>
> them in to get one.) Many people have it at the top of their wanted
> list, but (even discounting one-of-a-kind prototypes) there are
> certainly other games that are rarer.
What's rarer than a one-of-a-kind prototype? I thought prototypes were
the Holy Grail of cart
"Lee K. Seitz" wrote:
>
> Jim Leonard boldly stated:
> >
> >That's not quite what I meant, but you pose an interesting point: Is a
> >software package without diskettes collectable at all? I would love to
> >hear everyone's thoughts on this. Personally, I can't place any value
> >at all in a s
Hugh Falk wrote:
>
> About Murder on the Zinderneuf...I have the DOS version, and I'm in the
> Northern Hemisphere! :-) I had no idea it was valuable at all. I don't
That's because the DOS version isn't DOS -- it's a booter. You must
have a cracked copy.
Unless, of course, my sources are wro
Pedro Quaresma wrote:
>
> >No, but it *is* the floppies that make Zinderneuf or Fractalus or
> >CCnChomp rare. I have Zinderneuf; I have strong info that CCnChomp
> >exists; Fractalus is an unconfirmed rumor. Honestly, the boxes mean
> >jack squat to me right now about those PC titles ;-)
>
>
Jim Leonard boldly stated:
>
>What continually confuses me is that there are at least 50 times the
>number of copies of Ultimas, Infocoms, etc. than there are of titles
>like Cyborg for the PC. Cyborg PC is definitely an extremely rare
>item. So why isn't it extremely sought after, or valued hig
Jim Leonard boldly stated:
>
>That's not quite what I meant, but you pose an interesting point: Is a
>software package without diskettes collectable at all? I would love to
>hear everyone's thoughts on this. Personally, I can't place any value
>at all in a software package that is missing the a
modifier of value on an already collectible game.
Of course, the most valuable games meet all four criteria above.
-Original Message-
From: Jim Leonard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 5:15 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors
Pe
istory page:
http://www.classicgaming.com/gotcha/ea.htm
Or my Epyx History (Free Fall Associates) page:
http://www.classicgaming.com/gotcha/epyx.htm
Best regards,
Hugh
-Original Message-
From: Jim Leonard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 9:57 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECT
Jim Leonard wrote:
>Pedro Quaresma wrote:
>
> >Not the point -- if it's rare, *nobody* has copies. Which is why I try
> >to collect them -- to make copies before the software is lost forever.
>
> It's not the Starcross floppies that make the game rare, right? :)
>No, but it *is* the floppies th
Pedro Quaresma wrote:
>
> >Not the point -- if it's rare, *nobody* has copies. Which is why I try
> >to collect them -- to make copies before the software is lost forever.
>
> It's not the Starcross floppies that make the game rare, right? :)
No, but it *is* the floppies that make Zinderneuf o
Jim Leonard wrote:
>Pedro Quaresma wrote:
>
> I'd say yes. Definitely yes for me. Original floppies are so easy to find
>Easy to find? Over here, rare games are rare, disks only or not.
I can more easily find floppies from a rare game than a box from a rare
game
> You can get backups everywhe
Pedro Quaresma wrote:
>
> >I myself am slightly that, as I am slightly ADD (attention deficit
> >disorder). So is my wife, and we bore two children: one is autistic,
> >and the other has apraxia (speech delay, but thankfully nothing else).
> >My father is one of the world's most renouned Numisma
Pedro Quaresma wrote:
>
> I'd say yes. Definitely yes for me. Original floppies are so easy to find
Easy to find? Over here, rare games are rare, disks only or not.
> You can get backups everywhere, and most of the times you probably have one
> handy yourself, so why worry? :)
Not the point -
Jim Leonard wrote:
>Pedro Quaresma wrote:
>
> >I myself am slightly that, as I am slightly ADD (attention deficit
> >disorder). So is my wife, and we bore two children: one is autistic,
> >and the other has apraxia (speech delay, but thankfully nothing else).
> >My father is one of the world's m
Jim Leonard wrote:
>
> > He is? What's his name, if I may ask? I'm a numismatic myself, but a small
> > one at that.
>
> Robert Leonard. Although he's bigger in the States than
> international... although he was president of the ANA (American
> Numismatics Association) for a year.
I should add
Jim Leonard wrote:
>Pedro Quaresma wrote:
>
> Hugh Falk wrote,
> >Well, there is one other valid reason. Let's say that only 100,000
Ultima
> >IV's where ever produced (for the sake of a round number). And let's
say
> >that half of those have been thrown away, lost or otherwise damaged
beyond
>
Jim Leonard wrote:
>Pedro Quaresma wrote:
>
> Jim Leonard wrote:
> >Pedro Quaresma wrote:
> >
> > I thought of "habyt", "hobit", but ended up with "hobbyt", how does it
> > sound?
>
> >Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder seems to fit the bill more.
>
> You have just stated that about 50% of game collec
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02-07-2001cc:
17:07 Assunto: RE: [SWCollect] trademark for
collectors
"C.E. Forman" wrote:
>
> >So I'm actually not surprised that anyone who "collects"
> >anything has a slight bit of a neurological disorder.
>
> It would explain a lot of odd, quirkish behavior. And I myself am mildly
> obsessive-compulsive in other areas of my life besides collecting.
I think
>So I'm actually not surprised that anyone who "collects"
>anything has a slight bit of a neurological disorder.
It would explain a lot of odd, quirkish behavior. And I myself am mildly
obsessive-compulsive in other areas of my life besides collecting.
>I purchase 2 of everything: 1 to appreci
"C.E. Forman" wrote:
>
> > Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder seems to fit the bill more. Unless you're
> > grabbing them to resell or trade, or for parts, why would you want more
> > than 2 (1 to appreciate, the other as a backup) of the same product?
>
> I know of one (Infocom) collector in German
> Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder seems to fit the bill more. Unless you're
> grabbing them to resell or trade, or for parts, why would you want more
> than 2 (1 to appreciate, the other as a backup) of the same product?
I know of one (Infocom) collector in Germany who collects one version of
each
ter stand for).
>
>
> Hugh
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jim Leonard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 11:30 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors
>
>
> Pedro Quaresma wrote:
> >
>
Pedro Quaresma wrote:
>
> Hugh Falk wrote,
> >Well, there is one other valid reason. Let's say that only 100,000 Ultima
> >IV's where ever produced (for the sake of a round number). And let's say
> >that half of those have been thrown away, lost or otherwise damaged beyond
> >recognition. That
Pedro Quaresma wrote:
>
> Jim Leonard wrote:
> >Pedro Quaresma wrote:
> >
> > I thought of "habyt", "hobit", but ended up with "hobbyt", how does it
> > sound?
>
> >Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder seems to fit the bill more.
>
> You have just stated that about 50% of game collectors in the world,
Hugh Falk wrote:
>
> Well, there is one other valid reason. Let's say that only 100,000 Ultima
> IV's where ever produced (for the sake of a round number). And let's say
> that half of those have been thrown away, lost or otherwise damaged beyond
> recognition. That means that if you own 5 of
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Hugh Falk wrote,
>Well, there is one other valid reason. Let's say that only 100,000 Ultima
>IV's where ever produced (for the sake of a rou
Hugh Falk wrote,
>Well, there is one other valid reason. Let's say that only 100,000 Ultima
>IV's where ever produced (for the sake of a round number). And let's say
>that half of those have been thrown away, lost or otherwise damaged beyond
>recognition. That means that if you own 5 of them,
Jim Leonard wrote:
>Pedro Quaresma wrote:
>
> I thought of "habyt", "hobit", but ended up with "hobbyt", how does it
> sound?
>Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder seems to fit the bill more.
You have just stated that about 50% of game collectors in the world, and
including reknown ones like Jason P.
onard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 11:30 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors
Pedro Quaresma wrote:
>
> I thought of "habyt", "hobit", but ended up with "hobbyt", how does it
> sound?
Obsessive-Com
Pedro Quaresma wrote:
>
> I thought of "habyt", "hobit", but ended up with "hobbyt", how does it
> sound?
Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder seems to fit the bill more. Unless you're
grabbing them to resell or trade, or for parts, why would you want more
than 2 (1 to appreciate, the other as a backu
>I think it's too Tolkeinesque. My company is looking into a game based on
>the Lord of the Rings...believe it or not, the caretakers of the Tolken
>estate would probably slap you with a cease and desist if this ever became
>"official!" Sad but true!:-)
>
>Hugh
But in this case the name has ab
---
From: Pedro Quaresma [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 8:31 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors
Hello again,
Something recently occurred to me, about collectors likes us (at least I
fall under the following category):
I collect RPGs as a
Hello again,
Something recently occurred to me, about collectors likes us (at least I
fall under the following category):
I collect RPGs as a hobby (nothing new here), the same way others collect
adventures, Infocom games, EA flats, etc. Right? Right.
But some of us know that it isn't just a hob
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