[OSM-talk] Proposed changes in rendering of diplomatic offices

2020-07-24 Thread Daniel Koć
Hi, There is a proposition to change rendering of diplomatic offices on OSM Carto style (which is used for generating default map layer on OSM.org). On the one hand it introduces flag symbols for a new tagging, but on the other it would immediately stop rendering old, deprecated tag (amenity=embas

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Governance

2019-09-12 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 12.09.2019 o 07:02, Roland Olbricht pisze: > > Changing to a github-like system of version management > > I thought of Git, not Github. > > This is an important distinction: Git is as decentralized as possible - > whenever one works with a repo one gets the full data and history of the > pro

[OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Carto release v4.19.0

2019-01-18 Thread Daniel Koć
Dear all, Today, v4.19.0 of the OpenStreetMap Carto stylesheet (the default stylesheet on the OSM website) has been released. Once changes are deployed on the openstreetmap.org it will take couple of days before all tiles show the new rendering. Changes include - Adding rendering for boundary=pro

[OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Carto release v4.18.0

2018-12-21 Thread Daniel Koć
Dear all, Today, v4.18.0 of the OpenStreetMap Carto stylesheet (the default stylesheet on the OSM website) has been released. Once changes are deployed on the openstreetmap.org it will take couple of days before all tiles show the new rendering. Changes include - Adding rendering for healthcare

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Candidate's views? Re: Board decision on Crimea complaint

2018-12-11 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 11.12.2018 o 14:59, Imre Samu pisze: > Imho:  there are other core values   > So we need to find a global optimum - and it is not easy. I agree. Thanks for checking our foundations. In day to day operations it's not possible to know every rule in OSM and it's not even needed, since some co

Re: [OSM-talk] Board decision on Crimea complaint

2018-12-11 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 11.12.2018 o 13:26, Christoph Hormann pisze: > On Tuesday 11 December 2018, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> That’s why we need a method in OSM to say which countries recognize a >> country/border, as it seems the most objective representation. > Which would mean the end of OSM verifiability as

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Carto release v4.17.0

2018-11-26 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 26.11.2018 o 09:50, Martin Koppenhoefer pisze: > Am Mo., 26. Nov. 2018 um 01:40 Uhr schrieb Daniel Koć <mailto:daniel@ko%C4%87.pl>>: > > > BTW: what do you consider to be a progress here? What do you like the > most in recent changes and maybe what probl

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Carto release v4.17.0

2018-11-25 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 25.11.2018 o 21:03, EthnicFood IsGreat pisze: > >> many thanks for maintaining Carto.  It's great to see such constant >> progress there. > Ditto! > > Mark Thanks guys, good to hear your support! Currently we have few good people involved, doing a lot of work and the project is once agai

[OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Carto release v4.17.0

2018-11-22 Thread Daniel Koć
Dear all, Today, v4.17.0 of the OpenStreetMap Carto stylesheet (the default stylesheet on the OSM website) has been released. Once changes are deployed on the openstreetmap.org it will take couple of days before all tiles show the new rendering. Changes include - Showing natural areas from z5 -

Re: [OSM-talk] Missing country labels on default OSM.org layer

2018-11-19 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 20.11.2018 o 01:12, Pierre Béland pisze: > This map I created let's dirty individual tiles when we click an area > with the left mouse button. > https://pierzen.dev.openstreetmap.org/osm-pixels/#4/65.333176/-93.885778 Did you mean _right_ mouse button? Well, I get only: "erreur > " with

[OSM-talk] Missing country labels on default OSM.org layer

2018-11-19 Thread Daniel Koć
Hi, Does anyone know what happened to the labels of USA and Canada on standard OSM.org map? I hope we will release new OSM Carto version this Friday and soon the low zoom levels (z0-z12) could be re-rendered, but I'd like to be sure if something was not broken till then. Some time ago I have prop

Re: [OSM-talk] Plus code grid service

2018-11-19 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 19.11.2018 o 17:20, Mateusz Konieczny pisze: > It is still not clear to me why new way of writing latitude and > longitude is supposed to be interesting. One of the reasons might be that it's about areas (covering some interesting places), not points. -- "Excuse me, I have some growing

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Carto release v4.16.0

2018-10-21 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 20.10.2018 o 11:03, Stephan Knauss pisze: > Bitmap based pre-rendered maps are always a trade-off. > > If you are looking for a more "google-like" dynamic map, then check > out the vector tiles based maps which support search for amenities and > can dynamically display features. It doesn't

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Carto release v4.16.0

2018-10-20 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 20.10.2018 o 10:17, Maarten Deen pisze: > With that argument you can delete all icons because "well mapped > cities are cluttered". This is a straw man argument. No icons has been removed and it was not even proposed, it's just about moving initial zoom levels and it's enough. "Small" is

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Carto release v4.16.0

2018-10-19 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 19.10.2018 o 07:39, Maarten Deen pisze: > Does this mean that amenity=atm only gets rendered in zoom 19 and > higher? If so, why? It is now rendered from 17 onward, shops get > rendered from 18 onward. > It seems to me that atms are at least as important as shops. Yes, you get it right. I

[OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Carto release v4.15.0

2018-10-18 Thread Daniel Koć
Dear all, Today, v4.16.0 of the OpenStreetMap Carto stylesheet (the default stylesheet on the OSM website) has been released. Once changes are deployed on the openstreetmap.org it will take couple of days before all tiles show the new rendering. Changes include - Changing societal amenities color

[OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Carto release v4.15.0

2018-09-21 Thread Daniel Koć
Dear all, Today, v4.15.0 of the OpenStreetMap Carto stylesheet (the default stylesheet on the OSM website) has been released. Once changes are deployed on the openstreetmap.org it will take couple of days before all tiles show the new rendering. Changes include - Changing gastronomy objects color

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Carto release v4.13.0

2018-08-17 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 17.08.2018 o 19:49, Dave F pisze: > Thanks for letting us know. Wasted half an hour checking it wasn't > just me & providing examples. > > How about not posting until it's been deployed in future? Hi Dave, Multiple times before the release has been deployed eventually, typically in days or

[OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Carto release v4.14.0

2018-08-17 Thread Daniel Koć
Dear all, Yesterday, v4.14.0 of the OpenStreetMap Carto stylesheet (the default stylesheet on the OSM website) has been released and rolled out to the openstreetmap.org servers. It might take a couple of days before all tiles show the new rendering. Changes include - Added text-repeat-distance fo

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

2018-08-13 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 13.08.2018 o 19:23, Frederik Ramm pisze: > Which code would you then add to a building? I guess I was not clear enough. I meant only the case when there is proper sign on the building, I would tag it as an address then. Then and only then. It's perfectly verifiable and I don't have to de

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

2018-08-13 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 13.08.2018 o 18:37, Jo pisze: > I also don't see a reason to add the OLC codes in tags in the > database, even if marked on a building. Since buildings are not guaranteed to fit into OLC rectangles and they not 1:1 compatible, this usage makes sense for me. -- "My method is uncertain/ It

[OSM-talk] 2 Great Lakes missing

2018-08-09 Thread Daniel Koć
Hi, Is anybody aware what happened to Lake Superior and Lake Huron? https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4039486 https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1205151 They were changed 20 and 3 days ago, respectively, and they stopped being rendered both on default and on humanitarian map. -- "M

Re: [OSM-talk] Render the names of the seas

2018-07-31 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 31.07.2018 o 13:31, Sérgio V. pisze: > > Hi, I realized that none of the usual OSM tile providers renders the > names of the seas. > > I was tryingh to find it out in the map, because I allways mistake > e.g. Caspian for Black Sea and vice-versa. > > Also oceans has dozens of seas. > > Why t

Re: [OSM-talk] the new icon for the Tag:amenity=bureau_de_change

2018-07-25 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 25.07.2018 o 16:39, Colin Smale pisze: > The Red Crystal symbol is protected by the ICRC. We can't use it, nor > can we use the Red Cross or Red Crescent. There have been numerous > legal cases which came down to the fact that these symbols are > protected by international law. Even historic

Re: [OSM-talk] the new icon for the Tag:amenity=bureau_de_change

2018-07-25 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 25.07.2018 o 15:34, oleksiy.muzal...@bluewin.ch pisze: > There are 180 currencies recognized as legal tender in the world [1]. > I have nothing against USD and EUR, but why not to use a > straightforward comprehensible generic icon, which covers all existing > and future circulating currenc

[OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Carto release v4.13.0

2018-07-23 Thread Daniel Koć
Dear all, Today, v4.13.0 of the OpenStreetMap Carto stylesheet (the default stylesheet on the OSM website) has been released. Once changes are deployed on the openstreetmap.org it will take couple of days before all tiles show the new rendering. Changes include: - Increased shield distances on ro

Re: [OSM-talk] API a lot slower?

2018-07-18 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 18.07.2018 o 14:40, Frederik Ramm pisze: > Yes, the situation would be more relaxed if work were distributed on > more shoulders but at this precise point in time I'd like our operations > group to focus on getting the move done with minimum fuss, and not on > recruiting new people! First

Re: [OSM-talk] API a lot slower?

2018-07-18 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 17.07.2018 o 14:55, Grant Slater pisze: > Yes. We are moving some core servers to an Equinix data centre in > Amsterdam, NL. Thanks for the message! However given how big this change is and that it directly affects comfort of using OSM services, I would be glad to hear much more details w

Re: [OSM-talk] API a lot slower?

2018-07-17 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 17.07.2018 o 12:22, Grant Slater pisze: > Our primary hardware is moving to a new data centre next week, and > will take some time to get up and running. What data center do you mean? Is it the one which OSMF was looking for at the beginning of the year? https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2018

Re: [OSM-talk] About OSM social implications and what can/should be displayed on the map (or not)

2018-06-29 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 29.06.2018 o 17:27, Carlos Cámara pisze: > This is to say that openstreetmap-carto is OSM's business card, which > should serve as an entry point to the project to people from many > conditions and hence, we have a responsibility in deciding what do we > display and how we do it Of course.

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Carto design

2018-06-29 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 29.06.2018 o 11:06, Christoph Hormann pisze: > I did not make any assumptions on avant-garde being a positive thing > here. In fact for a long time i have clearly said that i think that > OSM map design should become more pluralistic. It is now and it does not go away, so I still see n

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Carto design

2018-06-29 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 29.06.2018 o 12:57, James pisze: > But they say CartoCSS is dead, what is the intended replacement(if > it's dead it's because there's a newer better thing?)? just a data > structure that contains data/styling? Being "dead" means it's no longer in development, but it's still perfectly usabl

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Carto design

2018-06-29 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 29.06.2018 o 13:02, Christoph Hormann pisze: > But the surface rendering from Lucas is something you could fairly well > re-integrate into a reworked road rendering framework afterwards - and > this is probably also the way i would approach it. > How to implement something like that in a

Re: [OSM-talk] WMF: "Interactive maps, now in your language"

2018-06-29 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 29.06.2018 o 14:03, Christoph Hormann pisze: > * adding non-verifiable name translations (verifiability being > understood according to OSM principles, not those of Wikipedia) to OSM With translations "on the ground rule" is not working in most of the cases. There are different sources,

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Carto design

2018-06-29 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 29.06.2018 o 11:39, Frederik Ramm pisze: > Hi, > >without going into the finer details, I'd like to offer an outsider's > view of OSM Carto development. Thanks, Frederik! I lack such insights (we know our ideas inside the team quite well), so I appreciate your comments a lot. I would b

[OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Carto design

2018-06-28 Thread Daniel Koć
(Taken from dev list, because this is wider problem.) W dniu 23.06.2018 o 10:55, Christoph Hormann pisze: > All in all this is a good example for OSM-Carto being at a crossroads > (and having been for quite some time) between staying avant-garde and > pushing the boundaries of cartographic desi

[OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Carto release v4.12.0

2018-06-22 Thread Daniel Koć
Dear all, Today, v4.12.0 of the OpenStreetMap Carto stylesheet (the default stylesheet on the OSM website) has been released. Once changes are deployed on the openstreetmap.org it will take couple of days before all tiles show the new rendering. Changes include: Major changes - Dropped subpixel

[OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Carto release v4.11.0

2018-05-11 Thread Daniel Koć
Dear all, Today, v4.11.0 of the OpenStreetMap Carto stylesheet (the default stylesheet on the OSM website) has been released. Once changes are deployed on the openstreetmap.org it will take couple of days before all tiles show the new rendering. Changes include - Fixed office/amenity conflict - B

Re: [OSM-talk] Local language help

2018-05-08 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 08.05.2018 o 21:31, Yuri Astrakhan pisze: > This query shows a list of regions that have the new default_language > tag (you can multisort column with shift or control clicking the > headers).  http://tinyurl.com/yd6bx6s3 What about places like Morocco? Shouldn't it be rather similar to Be

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM and new Wikipedia map features

2018-05-03 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 04.05.2018 o 02:30, Yuri Astrakhan pisze: > Daniel, the only real difference between serving every available > language and serving just one is cache fragmentation, and that's may > be different in your case. Sure, but you're talking about just one link of the chain. The WMF vector tiles ar

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM and new Wikipedia map features

2018-05-03 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 04.05.2018 o 01:17, Joe Matazzoni pisze: > b) how many server resources do you need for rendering languages > that you want to support (not the software stack used)? > > ?? Are you asking about OSM resources or WMF resources? I mean WMF resources. I'm asking because we want to have local

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM and new Wikipedia map features

2018-05-03 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 04.05.2018 o 00:33, Joe Matazzoni pisze: > Here is the list of languages Wikimedia > supports. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:SiteMatrix >

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM and new Wikipedia map features

2018-05-03 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 03.05.2018 o 23:20, Yuri Astrakhan pisze: > I have posted in another threads about this, proposing > "default_language" tag to be added to the admin (or smaller) regions > to solve this.  I like this proposition. I was talking about "official_language", but they might be added where they a

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM and new Wikipedia map features

2018-05-03 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 03.05.2018 o 22:49, Joe Matazzoni pisze: > Please post your thoughts and ideas to the project talk page [4]. > Thanks for your help, and for providing the valuable service you do to > Wikimedia contributors and readers around the world.  I will try to put my thoughts there. However I also

[OSM-talk] Wikimedia Maps deployment

2018-05-02 Thread Daniel Koć
Hi, Wikimedia are currently working hard on deploying maps based on OSM data - some basic information and links are here: https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=62086 Now they started including them on the project Wikis: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Maps#Wikimedia_projects_that_have

Re: [OSM-talk] Name:* tags in the local language

2018-04-26 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 26.04.2018 o 15:36, Martin Koppenhoefer pisze: > > 2018-04-26 14:16 GMT+02:00 Daniel Koć <mailto:daniel@ko%C4%87.pl>>: > > > Isn't it like this: > > Country Belgium - official_language=de;fr;nl > Region Brussels-Capital - of

Re: [OSM-talk] Name:* tags in the local language

2018-04-26 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 26.04.2018 o 14:32, Philip Barnes pisze: > If a place in England should we assume its name is in English? > > Name:en=Llanymynech would be a very odd assumption. As would Hengoed > or Rhydycroesau. > > This cannot be automatic, it needs mappers with local knowledge. That's pretty sane /gene

Re: [OSM-talk] Name:* tags in the local language

2018-04-26 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 26.04.2018 o 14:49, Marc Gemis pisze: > The name for the country in the name tag is " België / Belgique / Belgien" (*) > The name for any street in Brussels is either " - " > or " - " with the majority mapped with French in > front. > > The names never use a semi-colon. Without looking at na

Re: [OSM-talk] Name:* tags in the local language

2018-04-26 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 26.04.2018 o 13:53, Marc Gemis pisze: > Do you now assume that names in region B outside city C have a > namehr;nameit in the name tag? Yes, unless stated otherwise for cities E, F and G. To be clear: I assume only that if they name:hr=* and name:it=*, both are official, but that doesn't m

Re: [OSM-talk] Name:* tags in the local language

2018-04-26 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 26.04.2018 o 11:51, Mateusz Konieczny pisze: > It is not handling > - regions with more than one widespread language > - features that have name tag in an atypical language In my opinion there's no single solution for atypical cases, yet it's sane to start with defaults. It can be used on m

[OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Carto release v4.10.0

2018-04-20 Thread Daniel Koć
Dear all, Today, v4.10.0 of the OpenStreetMap Carto stylesheet (the default stylesheet on the OSM website) has been released. Once changes are deployed on the openstreetmap.org it will take couple of days before all tiles show the new rendering. Changes include - Adding rendering for historic=cas

[OSM-talk] Maps rendering forum

2018-04-04 Thread Daniel Koć
Hi, I think we need a place to discuss maps rendering using OSM data, so I created special subforum to talk about it: https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewforum.php?id=100 -- "My method is uncertain/ It's a mess but it's working" [F. Apple] ___ talk

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] OpenStreetMap Carto release v4.9.0

2018-03-23 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 23.03.2018 o 15:43, Stefan Keller pisze: > How can I help implementing rendering of castles (forts, ruins, > manors, palaces)? > https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/744 Thanks! Well, I'm not sure - it's mostly about weighting the problems and picking the proper solut

[OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Carto release v4.9.0

2018-03-23 Thread Daniel Koć
Dear all, Today, v4.9.0 of the openstreetmap-carto stylesheet (the default stylesheet on the OSM website) has been released. Once changes are deployed on the openstreetmap.org it will take couple of days before all tiles show the new rendering. Changes include Major changes - A bug where closed

Re: [OSM-talk] Standard map style contributions

2018-03-06 Thread Daniel Koć
11:45, Daniel Koć pisze: Hi, We have a lot of tickets waiting for solving in osm-carto (almost 400) and I'm interested how could we do it effectively. It's not realistic to expect that the core team would be able to catch up and that's why we took some care to help other people

[OSM-talk] Donation from the Pineapple Fund

2018-03-04 Thread Daniel Koć
Hi, You might remember news about big bitcoin donation from the Pineapple Fund: https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2018/01/11/donation-from-pineapple-fund/ I wonder how OSMF plans to use it? This is substantial amount of money, however I'm aware that it's just a one time shot and not a big change

[OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Carto release v4.8.0

2018-02-23 Thread Daniel Koć
Dear all, Today, v4.8.0 of the openstreetmap-carto stylesheet (the default stylesheet on the OSM website) has been released. Once changes are deployed on the openstreetmap.org it will take couple of days before all tiles show the new rendering. Changes include - Made military area rendering l

[OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Carto release v4.7.1

2018-01-31 Thread Daniel Koć
|Dear all, Today, v4.7.1 of the openstreetmap-carto stylesheet (the default stylesheet on the OSM website) has been released. Once changes are deployed on the openstreetmap.org it will take couple of days before all tiles show the new rendering. This is a bugfix release, the only change is a co

[OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Carto release v4.7.0

2018-01-26 Thread Daniel Koć
Dear all, Today, v4.7.0 of the openstreetmap-carto stylesheet (the default stylesheet on the OSM website) has been released. Once changes are deployed on the openstreetmap.org it will take couple of days before all tiles show the new rendering. Changes include - Adding icon for tourism=apartment

[OSM-talk] Brazil and Bolivia labels missing

2018-01-13 Thread Daniel Koć
Hi, I've just found that Brazil and Bolivia labels are missing on the main page. They were visible not so long ago: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:OpenStreetMap_homepage_2017_en.png so most probably this is a tagging problem, not an osm-carto problem. -- "My method is uncertain/ It

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapzen is shutting down

2018-01-07 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 08.01.2018 o 00:22, Steve Coast pisze: A few of us are working on this - https://www.maphaven.com Map services with the profits going to open mapping. That sounds very intriguing for me, but the page is just vague at the moment. Could you provide us some more details? -- "My method

Re: [OSM-talk] Standard map style contributions

2017-12-29 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 29.12.2017 o 03:41, Andy Townsend pisze: Speaking entirely personally, the main issue is just selfishness/laziness. I wouldn't name it "laziness" or "selfishness", just lack of motivation and I understand why - you have enough motivation to develop your own fork, so it seems to me that

Re: [OSM-talk] Standard map style contributions

2017-12-28 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 28.12.2017 o 14:34, James pisze: Although the rest seems like CSS or a variation there of the project is big and they may not grasp everything. Proper documentation for me is a major factor, if the project doesnt have documentation(developement not user guides or at least well placed co

Re: [OSM-talk] Standard map style contributions

2017-12-28 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 28.12.2017 o 14:04, James pisze: not everyone knows lua scripting might be one of the major herdles Is this what keeps you away from the code or there are some other obstacles? I'm most interested in hearing personal reasons, whatever they might be. Fortunately lua scripting is not n

[OSM-talk] Standard map style contributions

2017-12-28 Thread Daniel Koć
Hi, We have a lot of tickets waiting for solving in osm-carto (almost 400) and I'm interested how could we do it effectively. It's not realistic to expect that the core team would be able to catch up and that's why we took some care to help other people to contribute. Most important thing wa

[OSM-talk] Maritime borders rules

2017-12-17 Thread Daniel Koć
About a month ago maritime border of Peru has been changed from commonly used Territorial Seas to Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ): http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/53890344 The problem has been reported, but it's still not clear if some global rules should be applied here: https://help.o

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Carto release v4.6.0

2017-12-17 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 17.12.2017 o 23:00, nwastra pisze: “- Do not render small national parks and nature reserves” At what zoom levels are they not rendered? Surely these are still rendered when zoomed in close on the map and I would consider a higher priority of importance that most other stuff that is re

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM website stats on the end of the year

2017-12-13 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 13.12.2017 o 09:29, Tom Pfeifer pisze: What measurements are these estimates based on? AFAIK they collect the data through the browser toolbar: https://www.alexa.com/toolbar -- "My method is uncertain/ It's a mess but it's working" [F. Apple] _

[OSM-talk] OSM website stats on the end of the year

2017-12-11 Thread Daniel Koć
I've just visited Alexa free stats on OSM website and here are some interesting facts: - Current Global Rank for OSM: 6988 (down 833) - Most visitors come from USA, Germany, China, UK and France (in both USA and China rank number is lower than global average, but probably much more people liv

Re: [OSM-talk] Planned rendering changes of protected areas

2017-12-11 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 11.12.2017 o 14:43, Greg Troxel pisze: The property that is denoted by leisure=nature_reserve is mostly separate from the protected area information. It means that humans are able to hike in a land wich is in a natural state. In the meantime I've made a reality check with Poland lately

Re: [OSM-talk] Planned rendering changes of protected areas

2017-12-07 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 07.12.2017 o 17:04, Greg Troxel pisze: I also object to deprecating leisure=nature_reserve. The protected_area scheme is too complicated for most people to deal with fully and leisure=nature_reserve has proved itself to be useful. This way or another it seems to me that leisure= key is

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging/rendering relations

2017-12-03 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 03.12.2017 o 19:31, Yves pisze: Because the discussion can be heated by the fear of seeing something 'disappear' from the map overnight. Well, the fear might be there, but the discussion was already here, it was not too heated, and that was just my conclusions after the discussion. I

[OSM-talk] Tagging/rendering relations

2017-12-03 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 03.12.2017 o 18:43, Yves pisze: I do agree with Christoph here, tag depreciation should be discussed outside of the scope of osm-carto. It would be interesting for me to hear the exact reasons why do you think that? I would also like to know how do you think should we talk about the

Re: [OSM-talk] Planned rendering changes of protected areas

2017-12-03 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 03.12.2017 o 11:06, Christoph Hormann pisze: As said before: *do not mix rendering and tagging discussions*. I don't fully understand what you're suggesting (it's a long, complex sentence), but I feel you're  accusing me of something bad. Please note that the first point about general

Re: [OSM-talk] Planned rendering changes of protected areas

2017-12-02 Thread Daniel Koć
Thanks for the comments! They help me to get the bigger picture, which is not visible from just the tag names and definitions. TL;DR summary: I think that for now we should render all the existing tags with osm-carto, but make some of them appear earlier to encourage smooth migration to a more

Re: [OSM-talk] Planned rendering changes of protected areas

2017-11-30 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 30.11.2017 o 17:38, Christoph Hormann pisze: There are 62k uses of boundary=protected_area and 77k of leisure=nature_reserve and 31k of the combination - which does not really support your idea that the latter is used just as a hack. How would you detect such a hack then? In my opinion

[OSM-talk] Planned rendering changes of protected areas

2017-11-30 Thread Daniel Koć
Hi, I'm thinking about changes in rendering of protected areas on osm-carto and I wanted to give community a hint, because it's a popular kind of objects. There is a fresh discussion about it from this comment on: https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/603#issuecomment-347

[OSM-talk] OSM Tag History updates - call for help

2017-11-25 Thread Daniel Koć
OSM Tag History is a great service which shows the changes of a given tag used in the OSM database. Probably some of you already know it: http://taghistory.raifer.tech The problem is however that it needs a full database, which includes tag history. The author is not willing to run it himself,

Re: [OSM-talk] How to show school icons ?

2017-11-24 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 24.11.2017 o 08:57, David SAUVAGE pisze: What would be the process to change this situation in order for school icons to be displayed on osm map with the same priority of a library ? Let me quote what I've just wrote in the osm-carto issue tracker: "We had a PR which was almost ready, b

[OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Carto release v4.5.0

2017-11-17 Thread Daniel Koć
Dear all, Today, v4.5.0 of the openstreetmap-carto stylesheet (the default stylesheet on openstreetmap.org) has been released. Changes include: Major changes - Cleaning up low zoom levels (z5-z7): - Rendering roads from z6 instead of z5 - Rendering national parks from z8 instead of z7 - R

Re: [OSM-talk] Serious JOSM performance degradation

2017-11-11 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 11.11.2017 o 22:55, john whelan pisze: >17MiB Interesting file size.  What is a MiB? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mebibyte -- "My method is uncertain/ It's a mess but it's working" [F. Apple] ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org htt

[OSM-talk] Hillshading on OSM maps

2017-11-06 Thread Daniel Koć
I was thinking about hillshading on the osm-carto as part of the low zoom improvement process. The idea was quickly rejected: https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/2931 but I wanted to look deeper and ask about your experiences with hillshading on the maps using OSM data (

Re: [OSM-talk] Woods vs Forests

2017-11-01 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 02.11.2017 o 07:14, Warin pisze: On 02-Nov-17 02:31 PM, Stephane Goldstein wrote: Do you have any other words that smean tree planting, growing and then harvesting?? And don't mean anything else? The closest I have is 'forestry'. landuse=forestry is a good option as well.

Re: [OSM-talk] Label language on the Default stylesheet

2017-11-01 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 01.11.2017 o 14:28, Oleksiy Muzalyev pisze: A would-be future vector map, probably, is not a a good solution, as it does not use the principle of precalculation. The Latin language has been used for centuries in science (including geography and cartography). Its popularity is growing no

Re: [OSM-talk] Label language on the Default stylesheet

2017-11-01 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 01.11.2017 o 14:36, Andy Townsend pisze: On 01/11/2017 13:28, Oleksiy Muzalyev wrote: Still, the OSM map remains unusable on the global scale. For instance, I read an article about the new railroad North-South. I wanted to see it on the OSM map but I could not even find Iran on the map.

Re: [OSM-talk] Woods vs Forests

2017-10-30 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 30.10.2017 o 18:13, Martin Koppenhoefer pisze: one tag for what? An area with trees? A forest? How would you define "forest"? "Although /forest/ is a term of common parlance, there is no universally recognised precise definition, with more than 800 definitions of forest used around the

[OSM-talk] MapRoulette task creation

2017-10-30 Thread Daniel Koć
I have two ideas for MapRoulette, but I haven't tried to set my own challenge yet and the main problem is that I don't know how to prepare the data, since both are about nested areas: 1. Checking if amenity=place_of_worship way without building=* tag inside another amenity=place_of_worship or

[OSM-talk] Wiki problems (was: weeklyOSM #379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23)

2017-10-29 Thread Daniel Koć
Could we please use more descriptive subject for discussing wiki issues? W dniu 29.10.2017 o 08:45, Simon Poole pisze: Regardless of what measures I think are appropriate, it is clear that if something doesn't change the net result will be a perma-ban which has been pointed out to him multiple

Re: [OSM-talk] Woods vs Forests

2017-10-27 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 27.10.2017 o 08:36, Warin pisze: The landuse key is clearly to tag the use of the land by humans. It's also to indicate use of the water, hence it's not 100% clear and I understand why some people don't like it. The natural key is unclear - it seams to be for both things made by nat

Re: [OSM-talk] Topology rules

2017-10-26 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 26.10.2017 o 23:36, Warin pisze: While natural=wood renders, I also tag them as landcover=trees as that is more truthful of what is there. So these tree areas get two tags from me until such time as landcover is rendered then I will remove the natural tag. If you mean standard tile laye

Re: [OSM-talk] Welcome_to_OpenStreetMap_users ?

2017-10-25 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 25.10.2017 o 07:42, Maarten Deen pisze: On 2017-10-25 07:31, Daniel Koć wrote: W dniu 25.10.2017 o 07:08, Roland Olbricht pisze: See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Welcome_to_Wikipedia_users#Original_research_always_wins Why is this page named "Welcome_to_Wikipedia_users&quo

[OSM-talk] Welcome_to_OpenStreetMap_users ?

2017-10-24 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 25.10.2017 o 07:08, Roland Olbricht pisze: See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Welcome_to_Wikipedia_users#Original_research_always_wins Why is this page named "Welcome_to_Wikipedia_users"? Can we just move it to "Welcome_to_OpenStreetMap_users" or there are some not obvious problem

Re: [OSM-talk] How to create custom online map from OpenStreetMap

2017-10-24 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 23.10.2017 o 22:06, Andy Townsend pisze: On 22/10/2017 18:47, Carlos Cámara wrote: I would like to create a custom map for online use that loads OSM data but displays it in different ways as the standard, cyclemap, transport... layers. The most important question is: how do you want it

[OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Carto release v4.4.0

2017-10-20 Thread Daniel Koć
Dear all, Today, v4.4.0 of the openstreetmap-carto stylesheet (the default stylesheet on openstreetmap.org) has been released. Changes include: Major changes - Rendering inland water areas and labels from z0 - Rendering island and islet labels earlier Changes - Rendering of amenity=marketplace

[OSM-talk] Hardware partnership and projects wishlist

2017-10-15 Thread Daniel Koć
Hi, I'm looking for partners with hardware resources in Poland to use it for some interesting OSM-related projects. I've made basic research with OSMF, French and German pages about hardware and network connectivity and it looks like they collaborate with academic and business world: - htt

[OSM-talk] Island/islet area tagging

2017-10-15 Thread Daniel Koć
Hi, We'll probably start to render island/islet labels earlier (if the code will be merged, of course), so I've made a short info with renderings on z4-z6 showing only island names on the planet: https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/pull/2890#issuecomment-336664545 It looks li

Re: [OSM-talk] All the subway systems in the world

2017-09-30 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 30.09.2017 o 18:35, Ilya Zverev pisze: usable, I've compiled a list of practices on this page: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Metro_Mapping Some questions are answered on the Talk page there. Next week I'll open a voting, so that tagging schema could be made offi

Re: [OSM-talk] Label language on the Default stylesheet

2017-09-26 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 26.09.2017 o 23:00, Martin Koppenhoefer pisze: for the record: using Latin would be the completely wrong message we could send out IMHO. It would make us look like an elitist circle [1] and would make many people feel rejected, or at least make them turn away as soon as they get to know

Re: [OSM-talk] Label language on the Default stylesheet

2017-09-25 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 25.09.2017 o 13:15, Maarten Deen pisze: Of course this is impractical in the UI in the current way of selecting layers (where each layer has its own check box to enable it), I was more thinking in the line of having a dropdown box for all language overlays. No idea if this is currently p

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-legal-talk] Putting simple scripts in the Wiki without violating CC BY-SA 2.0

2017-09-19 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 20.09.2017 o 03:09, Devon Fyson pisze: However on the other hand GitHub is very popular and there would likely be poor buy-in if contributors were asked to use a different system. Therefore I propose that a new template be made on the wiki which is specifically for referring tools in any

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