On 22/11/2015 14:32, Colin Smale wrote:
I just said "w3w exists, what could/should we do?"
The consensus appears to be "Nothing"
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On 04/11/2015 17:36, Lester Caine wrote:
The simple answer is secondary, tertiary and unclassified roads in
many areas of the world have the same importance, so rendering them
drastically differently is a mistake!
If, as you state, there are no differences in some areas, they shouldn't
be
re's a problem with the new increased widths. At
interchanges individually mapped lanes are overlapping turning it into a
blob of colour. Wouldn't it be beneficial if the width was reduced when
the one-way tag is present?
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On 03/11/2015 17:40, Daniel Koć wrote:
W dniu 03.11.2015 13:17, Dave F. napisał(a):
2. Road widths
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CS4l8ZKWUAA-566.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CS4tfRDWUAA6AkN.png
As can be seen, there's a problem with the new incre
Hi
http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/51.36615/-2.34169
Is anybody able to explain why the wood on the left renders above the
school, yet the one to the right, under?
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Unfortunately it doesn't apply when over certain ways:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/51.38652/-2.34895
Thanks for your help
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On 02/11/2015 17:49, Ed Loach wrote:
Dave commented:
I genuinely can't work out if that's said as a joke.
Take for example landcover-low-zoom layer
h
I genuinely can't work out if that's said as a joke.
On 02/11/2015 17:20, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
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Am 02.11.2015 um 17:21 schrieb Dave F. <dave...@madasafish.com>:
Is anybody able to explain why the wood on the left renders above the school,
yet the one to the
) all volunteers, all contributing
to OSM to improve it's quality; be that typing in zeros & ones or, as I
did yesterday, get wet feet trudging do a survey through a particularly
boggy wood. All contributors have equal rights to be proud OSM & equal
rights to criticise.
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I had a tweet from the site's creator & he agrees. He said he will add one.
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On 24/10/2015 18:14, Mike Thompson wrote:
Dave,
I think the "Maps © OpenStreetMap <http://openstreetmap.org/copyright>
contributors" on the Leaflet page just refers the maps on that page.
license?
If you click on the Leaflet attribute, right at the bottom of the page
it states: Maps © OpenStreetMap <http://openstreetmap.org/copyright>
contributors. To me, that's not good enough.
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Thanks, That's a fair, half way solution.
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On 21/10/2015 03:08, Mike N wrote:
On 10/20/2015 7:06 PM, Dave F. wrote:
Is there a way to view OSM Notes (right hand side of map) based on the
date created? It's a bit of a pain to remember which of the notes I've
already clic
's no open database with
this info, aren't I?
To me, with the maxhieght & maxweight tags being added over a large
area, it suggests someone with interests in developing a routing
application.
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On 05/10/2015 10:19, David Fisher wrote:
Hi all,
Just had the same thing happen ne
Adding accurate data is, of course, improving OSM, but only if it's from
an allowable source.
The lack of communication implies there's something to hide.
Dave F.
On 22/10/2015 21:34, Colin Smale wrote:
If their edits are factually correct, they are improving OSM which is
a good thing
with age? In steps
of week, month, 6 months, year etc maybe?
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e counted with no regard to the train services running on it." &
it's a "workaround" for tracks.
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On 07/10/2015 09:24, Richard Mann wrote:
Putting tracks=1 on multiple parallel tracks is also potentially
misleading. It's a method of tagging that's been supe
It would be great if you'd invite the transit guys to join in this
discussion here.
Dave F.
On 16/10/2015 23:24, Richard Mann wrote:
If someone wants to continue this discussion on the public transport
list, feel free to start a discussion there. It's not appropriate for
this list
on website
set up to find this specific 'problem'? These all appear to be GB based.
Has anyone come across similar worldwide?
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On 05/10/2015 11:21, Tom Hukins wrote:
On Mon, Oct 05, 2015 at 10:19:47AM +0100, David Fisher wrote:
Just had the same thing happen near me (Croydon) but by a different
user (Zain Ahmad Hashmi, e.g.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/34443141).
I've left a com
Hi
Map main page. Under the Share button there's a 'Geo URI' Unsure what
it's meant to achieve but it returns a 'The address wasn't understood'
error. Is this simple to fix?
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From the wiki:
"only the approximate section of the way which is under the bridge
should be tagged with maxheight"
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On 05/10/2015 16:21, Andy Townsend wrote:
(let's try that again with an actual message)
I did have a bit of a conversation on some of the earliest of their
asking for clarification.
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Maybe Frederick can shed some light on the problem?
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On 21/09/2015 13:43, Matthias Jessen wrote:
Hi,
i noticed some railway tracks which has been deleted in this
revert/changeset:
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2015-September/017739.html
One Example near Glasgow
actual CAMRA members here could also chip in it might
persuade them to swap over. ca...@camra.org.uk. <mailto:ca...@camra.org.uk>
It might even be possible to share databases to improve the quality of both.
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On 16/09/2015 15:10, Andrew Black wrote:
My concern is the quality of their location data - they suffer from
the well known myth that a postcode defines the location. I have
helped in a few specific cases but the local bra
Hi
Before looking at using external sources I believe there's a bit of this
anomaly already in OSM's uploaded traces. I'm repeatedly surprised how
many multiple traces of a way are uploaded but never actually mapped.
Even if they are, they're often quite a few metres out of alignment.
One
s well), why not railway enthusiasts?
If a cycleway is destroyed in the real world, then it would get deleted
in OSM.
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Is this not acceptable?:
historic=castle
ruins=yes
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On 12/09/2015 03:18, Russ Nelson wrote:
Dave F. writes:
> > Because when I see a spike, or a lump of coal, or a "road"
> > which is level where no road needed to be but a railroad did, I map it
> > as an abandoned railroad.
>
> Please give a list o
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On 2015-09-12 00:11, Dave F. wrote:
On 11/09/2015 03:07, Bryce Nesbitt wrote:
But the primary key is definitely highway=track, perhaps with some
secondary keys that hit at it's former use.
+1
As I've said elsewhere there should only be one primary tag, any
historical info should be secondary
On 12/09/2015 13:44, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
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Am 12.09.2015 um 13:55 schrieb Dave F. <dave...@madasafish.com>:
You're misunderstanding the purpose of tagging which is to allow renderers to
differentiate entities & display them accurately & differently f
On 12/09/2015 15:13, Marc Gemis wrote:
On Sat, Sep 12, 2015 at 3:56 PM, Dave F. <dave...@madasafish.com
<mailto:dave...@madasafish.com>> wrote:
highway=track, railway=abandoned, that cause problems & is what
I'm trying to solve
A hiking or cycling map could only
to add extra adjective
attributes.
Example (made up one):
barrier=gate (primary)
Sub tags:
access=yes
type=5 bar
material=wood
colour=blue
Delete the sub tags & they'll probably still render. delete the primary
& it won't.
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On 10/09/2015 10:04, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
more or less we're doing this. And adding what has been added in the meantime.
E.g. people have added the names of the ruins of temples as the name of the
temple (which is in some cases there as ruins in others hardly visible if not
by reading
On 10/09/2015 04:15, Russ Nelson wrote:
Look at these two photos and tell me what you can see, what you can
"verify":
https://goo.gl/photos/G41ehgPJyfEWcvwH7
https://goo.gl/photos/FfgSS5bDMQ3XW7MX8
What's this? Is it a trail or is it an abandoned railroad? See the
spike? Where did it come from
On 11/09/2015 03:07, Bryce Nesbitt wrote:
But the primary key is definitely highway=track, perhaps with some
secondary keys that hit at it's former use.
+1
As I've said elsewhere there should only be one primary tag, any
historical info should be secondary.
highway=track
On 10/09/2015 05:12, Russ Nelson wrote:
I don't get to see them in my own
rendering.
IMO *This* is the operative point in his argument. He wants to tag for
the renderer (himself).
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Probably a figment of my imagination by I thought Mapnik used to render
the names of schools. It doesn't appear to be doing so now. I'm
wondering if there's a reason for that? They're usually quite large
areas so plenty of room to fit the wording in.
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I wonder if it will mention how the OS is ripping off the people of Britain.
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On 09/09/2015 18:59, Philip Barnes wrote:
Spotted this on the Rambler-Net list.
In case you hadn't already spotted this:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06b36q3
See also:
http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk
On 08/09/2015 10:00, Fabian Schmidt wrote:
On 09/08/2015 12:16 AM, Dave F. wrote:
I fail to understand why railways are singled out as a special case. If
roads, buildings or woods get demolished, they get deleted.
please have a look at the tag definition in the wiki: "where the rails
should be rendered:
man_made=bridge
bridge=*
historical=railway
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On 08/09/2015 07:01, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:
On Tue, 08 Sep 2015 00:49:48 +0100
"Dave F." <dave...@madasafish.com> wrote:
I don't believe anyone's advocating the removal of existing entities.
In your viaduct case above, keep the viaduct entity, remove the
railway=ab
and agree on
their meaning.
People continue to write about railway=abandoned as if it described former
railways with no traces whatsoever left, while to others it means traces are
left.
I think it been clearly stated many times
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the life story of that feature.
A 'life story' is historical. Historical doesn't mean 'gone'.
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I'm loving the irony of Andy's criticism of people repeating themselves
by repeating himself not once, or twice, but three times. In the same
message.
(& no, I don't believe it was done intentionally for comic effect).
Dave F. (bored of people in OSM thinking they're somehow supe
Could you do the same for this user:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/30979060
From a discussion with him he appears to have misinterpreted ORM's wiki
page:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenRailwayMap/Tagging#Switches
(search page for maxspeed)
This page needs clarifying.
Dave
On 08/09/2015 13:56, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:
On Tue, 08 Sep 2015 13:37:47 +0100
"Dave F." <dave...@madasafish.com> wrote:
This is one reason I believe linear ways tagged as man_made=bridge
should be rendered:
man_made=bridge
bridge=*
historical=railway
Please, see defini
On 08/09/2015 14:39, Lauri Kytömaa wrote:
Dave F. wrote:
A 'life story' is historical. Historical doesn't mean 'gone'.
Then that data shouldn't be 'gone' but just with a different key/tag,
especially as long as the not-gone object exists.
Yes. Please see my previous replies.
Dave F
ic comment made - it it's deleted in the real world it gets deleted
in OSM.
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On 08/09/2015 00:07, Lester Caine wrote:
On 07/09/15 23:16, Dave F. wrote:
I'm not sure there's been a discussion as you've mostly ignored the
basic comment made - it it's deleted in the real world it gets deleted
in OSM.
If there is still a trace of anything related to something being deleted
2015, at 09:18, Dave F. <dave...@madasafish.com> wrote:
Hi
A user has been converting the maxspeed tag of railway line from mph to kph:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/278060675/history#map=17/51.42363/-2.72120
It appears to be a straight conversion ie 100mph = 161. Which seems a bit
On 05/09/2015 11:47, Andy Townsend wrote:
FWIW I did ask a previous mph -> km/h changer the same question:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/30977485
I've also asked that user for the reasons. No response yet.
"better interpretable format"
Hmm... Is it just me, or does that seem like
ve verifiable proof they exist.
For old railway line map the entities that remain, such embankments,
bridges etc, but not the actual track if it's been removed or there's a
housing estate built over it.
To repeat myself: OSM is a database of *current* entities.
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he detail I'm looking at has a
assortment of icons within the page."
"the only way of viewing data tagged by k=v is to search on the raw data
rather than expecting an icon to appear on the map."
Sorry, but I don't really understand what you've said there.
Dave F.
On 30/08/20
On 27/08/2015 11:13, Maarten Deen wrote:
On 2015-08-27 11:21, Dave F. wrote:
On 26/08/2015 21:54, Andrew Hain wrote:
Dave F. davefox at madasafish.com writes:
Hi
Bearing in mind the wiki is used more often by new OSM
contributors
therefore should be a clear concise as possible, I'm
Thanks
Is man_made=bridge meant to be used on ways that represent disused
bridges such as railways where all the track has been removed?
Dave F,
On 29/08/2015 13:48, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:
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I'd love to, but know I'd make a pigs ear of it. Unlike many people I'm
aware of my limitations.
Those limitations, however, are not valid reasons for keeping this icon.
As it doesn't help anyone learn the basics of OSM, it has no purpose on
a wiki be removed.
Dave F.
On 30/08/2015 11:50
On 29/08/2015 08:50, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:
And in case of elements no longer present correct tagging is a complete
lack of tagging, therefore deleting is perfectly OK.
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On 29/08/2015 05:03, Russ Nelson wrote:
Dave F. writes:
On 23/08/2015 01:27, Balaco Baco wrote:
What we need is a
database that already has all the data and simply identify when some
small elements of it cease to be current.
In OSM we do that by deleting the small elements
On 29/08/2015 05:03, Russ Nelson wrote:
Also why is there a rail route relation attached to this entity when
you clearly can't go by train along it?
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/366610457#map=16/42.9193/-75.8514
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On 26/08/2015 21:54, Andrew Hain wrote:
Dave F. davefox at madasafish.com writes:
Hi
Bearing in mind the wiki is used more often by new OSM
contributors
therefore should be a clear concise as possible, I'm curious why
this
icon is so
prevalent:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/images
no substantial reason for it's inclusion, I suggest they be
removed.
In a similar vein I notice a few wiki pages concerning tagging have XML
OSM database code. Completely unnecessary again, might put off users
who believe you have to have programming experience to contribute.
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On 24/08/2015 04:23, Balaco Baco wrote:
Are you saying if a building gets demolished replaced with a new one,
you wouldn't remove the original outline from OSM?
I'm saying that simply deleting the original outline, leaving nothing in
its place is different than putting the *same quality
On 23/08/2015 01:27, Balaco Baco wrote:
What we need is a
database that already has all the data and simply identify when some
small elements of it cease to be current.
In OSM we do that by deleting the small elements ;)
I'm sorry. But this is just a stupid thing to do.
Are you saying if a
On 23/08/2015 16:49, Frederik Ramm wrote:
Hi,
On 08/23/2015 02:27 AM, Balaco Baco wrote:
I'm sorry. But this is just a stupid thing to do. To have no data and to
have the most recently obtained data are two very different things.
Certainly you're not suggesting we map all these negatives.
I
On 23/08/2015 19:11, Mike N wrote:
On 8/23/2015 2:03 PM, Dave F. wrote:
Are you saying if a building gets demolished replaced with a new one,
you wouldn't remove the original outline from OSM?
In my case, I've begun to do just that, adding a note to alert the
'Bing tracers' that something
the community rather than deleting it and doing
the opposite.
Dave F, OSM is doing just fine. It is full of contradictions,
redundancies, disagreements, and broken rules (see the tagging list).
So what?
Already having crap in the database is not a valid reason to accept it,
do nothing about it or add
to the alternatives.
Dave F.
On 21/08/2015 19:51, Gregory Arenius wrote:
The OSM community is what OSM is even more than it is a map. People
that are passionate about railways are a part of that community and
they do contribute a lot, especially in the US where we don't have as
many mappers
if is millions of entities.
Cheers
Dave F.
On 15/08/2015 12:50, Christoph Hormann wrote:
The question is how much is actually gained from this when
landuse=forest and natural=wood are practically identical anyway and
mean the same, namely 'this area is densely covered by trees'.
Rendering
Hi
Does the combined wood/forest update include landcover=trees? If not it
needs to be included all three should render the same (IMO).
Cheers
Dave F.
On 15/08/2015 03:27, Paul Norman wrote:
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where issue numbers
I'm on the fence about this. Does the 'general purpose' mapnik rendering
need such distinctions? Would the vast majority of end users really
care. Could it even make it more confusing for them?
Cheers
Dave F.
On 15/08/2015 12:45, tony wroblewski wrote:
The woodland change looks much better
or landuse or whatever, I'm not that concerned
about but it really should only be one option.
Cheers
Dave F.
On 15/08/2015 16:13, Daniel Koć wrote:
W dniu 15.08.2015 15:16, Martin Koppenhoefer napisał(a):
IMHO it would rather encourage mappers to make more sense out of these
than it is now. I'm
.
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On 13/08/2015 11:30, Tom Hughes wrote:
On 13/08/15 11:17, Dave F. wrote:
Should I receive notifications to my OSM website inbox for replies to
any changeset comments I write? I vaguely remember getting one for the
first one I wrote, but I've had no satisfactions since.
No, you should get
approach this with caution, for two reasons
The first is that developing a new render style is one of the items
more disagreed with.
Wouldn't it be a case of just keeping the old. Europe/RoW would be the
ones changing to orange motorways.
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The weather looks like it will be good in GB this weekend.
On 06/08/2015 22:55, Rob Nickerson wrote:
Hi all,
Don't miss out on your chance to win tickets to State of the Map 2016!
All you need to do is have a go at
Hi
Survey it? But I guess you're referring to armchair mapping. So try
Natural England?
http://www.openaccess.naturalengland.org.uk/wps/portal/oasys/maps/MapSearch/
On 02/08/2015 18:10, Dudley Ibbett wrote:
Hi
Am I correct in assuming that there is still no source of data that
can be
description (photos really help) an explanation of
how it inconveniences the walker/rider, then there fairly speedy in
getting things rectified. Currently I'm getting a couple of kissing
gates replaced that you have to be a size zero to get through.
Dave F.
On 15/07/2015 10:06, p...@trigpoint.me.uk
You say there's no neutrality, but there's no option to disagree with
the whole proposal.
On 11/07/2015 21:19, Rob Nickerson wrote:
Dear UK/GB OpenStreetMappers,
From time to time we talk about the potential of setting up a UK/GB
OpenStreetMap group (name yet to be decided) but we never
=abandoned to
see if it has sub-tags of bridge=* or embankment= etc.
Cheers
Dave F.
On 13/07/2015 08:53, Andy Mabbett wrote:
The significant (and massive) disused railway viaduct near Thrapston:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/264894970
does not render on our default map:
http
Find out first if people want it, rather than ask how they think it
should be implemented.
On 13/07/2015 14:03, Andy Mabbett wrote:
On 13 July 2015 at 12:39, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com
mailto:dave...@madasafish.com wrote:
there's no option to disagree with the whole proposal
What
That doesn't get recorded.
On 13/07/2015 17:18, Andy Robinson wrote:
It’s easy to disagree with a proposal. You simply ignore it. J
*From:*Dave F. [mailto:dave...@madasafish.com]
*Sent:* 13 July 2015 12:40
*To:* talk-gb@openstreetmap.org
*Subject:* Re: [Talk-GB] Survey: A UK/GB OpenStreetMap
In theory competition drives functionality improvements, although in
this case it's not clear if this happened. Any map based website that
doesn't include a permalink option isn't worth using, Unless it's been
recently added is very well hidden OSMR hasn't this option.
On 17/06/2015 04:33,
to the route.
Dave F.
On 17/06/2015 15:08, Patrick Kilian wrote:
Hi,
In theory competition drives functionality improvements, although in
this case it's not clear if this happened. Any map based website that
doesn't include a permalink option isn't worth using, Unless it's been
recently added is very
long.
I don't understand why the rendering of the leak occurs virtually
instantly but any repair rendering takes days or even weeks. Could
someone please explain?
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You're correct, it is a bit screwed up
http://ra.osmsurround.org/analyzeMap?relationId=287245
http://ra.osmsurround.org/analyzeRelation?relationId=287245_noCache=on
History should be listed here:
http://osm.virtuelle-loipe.de/history/
Dave F.
On 28/05/2015 20:12, Colin Smale wrote:
Hi
Hi Colin
FYI
There appears to be a minor overlap on the Eastern marker:
http://ra.osmsurround.org/analyzeMap?relationId=287245
On 29/05/2015 00:46, Colin Smale wrote:
Thanks to the people who pointed me at helpful tools. I have fixed it
up as best as I can for the moment - obviously
On 23/05/2015 12:49, David Earl wrote:
I'm sure there are many ways of doing this, but that is what I did.
This thread seems determined to undermine the University of Cambridge
map by wanting to change everything it relies on.
Those who add/amend data to OSM do so to make it the most
Hi
Going minorly off on a tangent - One item I would change is
leisure=pitch which current represents whole areas of sports grounds to
leisure=recreation_ground, have leisure=pitch to indicate just the
pitches (ie the white lines of a football pitch). Currently there are
situations with two
Hi Paul
I think you've missed my point...
On 23/05/2015 12:21, Paul Sladen wrote:
On Sat, 23 May 2015, Dave F. wrote:
leisure=pitch to indicate just the pitches
That's how it's used--IIRC there was a presentation at SOTM in
Birmingham showing a rendering automatically drawing in all the line
it
particularly irritating as makes taking screen grabs very confusing.
What's the best way to prevent this happening? Is there a way to get
notification (email/text etc) if a specific entity gets modified?
Cheers
Dave F.
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Hi
There already is an icon for shop=bicycle.
Great to see amenity=bicycle_parking has been added
Dave F.
On 13/05/2015 17:53, Matthijs Melissen wrote:
Dear all,
Today, v2.30.0 of the openstreetmap-carto stylesheet has been rolled
out to the openstreetmap.org servers.
This version includes
by a minority, is there a semi-auto way to edit. For
instance, can the data be downloaded as XML, amended in a text editor
(find/replace) then uploaded to merge with the database? Is that
possible in JOSM?
Regards
Dave F.
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the data just reassigning it to a more appropriate
tag. A render displaying them can still be created. As I said, if
they're just used for authorities internally, then I don't see their
relevance on the 'standard' map.
Dave F.
On 04/05/2015 11:10, Steve Doerr wrote:
I once saw some friends
that don't meet the above criteria they
should be listed in some form of text file for individual editing if
appropriate.
Dave F.
and I had not created a wiki page (have no
idea how to do that), just had general agreement here.
I have been surveying out the ones in Wrexham, but that takes time. I do
://www.itoworld.com/product/data/osm_analysis/map_browser?bbox=350785,152770,380729,171227referrer=area
However there is an Ivo Peters road sign.
https://goo.gl/maps/Or3TH
I've re edited to what I think is the correct layout, but wiling to be
proven wrong.
Dave F.
On 02/05/2015 18:49, Andy Mabbett wrote
off_ref, or some
such similar. Was this agreed upon?
If there is consensus I personally think this would be a valid use of a
mass edit due to the large number http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/98Y Does
anyone have experience of doing such a auto edit?
Cheers
Dave F.
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Looking good so far.
Is there any plans to add Wiki page links to the areas section? atm it's
unclear what key to use in cases such as cemetery, what the exact
wording of the value should be.
Thanks for the work so far
Dave F.
On 28/04/2015 12:43, Wuzzy wrote:
The wiki page has made good
Hi
User abc26324 has been changing place=suburb to neighbourhood. This
edits are widespread so I doubt he has local knowledge. The ones near my
vicinity seem erroneous.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/30417434?node_page=1
He's adding place=farm tags. Is this still current? I thought
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