On 20 August 2013 07:57, Frederik Ramm wrote:
>
> I think one shouldn't be religious about warnings/questions/popup messages
>> - sure it's a UI challenge to do them well but simply not doing them at
>> all, ever, doesn't automatically mean you have a good UI. However, a pop-up
>> message every t
It is an important point of difference to train and bus stations/stops as
to whether they have a dedicated Park and Ride carpark or not. It is
something I would find useful if I was searching for station POI's. It's
not just whether parking is nearby, but whether it's dedicated to commuters
- not
Or how big almost any place not in Europe is. I still remember somebody
suggesting a kayak safari to map the Australian coast rather than using
imagery/PGS imports.
Stephen
On 10 June 2012 14:56, Russ Nelson wrote:
> Me too. I think that the people who wish that the USA had been mapped
> jus
On 30 August 2011 01:01, Tom Hughes wrote:
> Yes I should have added that, in this case, my preference would be to remove
> the object altogether as aerial imagery coverage areas are not real on the
> ground objects that should be in our database.
Particularly in this specific case, as nearmap co
Parveen,
See this thread on this list from February 3 2011.
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2011-February/056310.html
Steve Coast announced the following.
http://www.bing.com/community/site_blogs/b/maps/archive/2011/02/03/automatically-detect-roads-with-bing-aerial-imagery.aspx
I
On 28 July 2011 21:52, Brian Quinion wrote:
>
> Now that said I don't really care which tag is used for the 'full'
> name. I'd personally prefer the name tag was used for this because it
> has always been the policy of OSM that the name tag includes the full
> unabbreviated name. Really - this h
On 27 July 2011 10:40, Ed Loach wrote:
> Yes, it is called Saint Albans, written St Albans, except where some
> websites seem to have expanded it.
>
> e.g.
> http://www.meteoprog.co.uk/en/weather/SaintAlbans/
> http://www.gomapper.com/travel/map-of/saint-albans.html
> etc...
> http://www.lmgtfy.co
It is confusing, but I don't think that I'd call it correct, either.
New Guinea can be considered part of the Australian continent, but New
Zealand is not. It's Islands, and not on the continental shelf. It
and NG are sometimes listed as part of Australasia (not Australia),
and a bigger area still
On 6 June 2011 17:55, Jaak Laineste wrote:
> Also we have always started with P2, JOSM is too scary for the first
> introduction. So offline OSM files is not an option.
I keep hearing this, but I must be weird, because I had the opposite
reaction both when I first started and when I show somebod
On 6 March 2011 12:27, Paul Johnson wrote:
> If it's a footway, unless it's clearly designed around foot use first
> and foremost with bicycle an afterthought, it doesn't allow bicycles
> unless explicitly tagged bicycle=yes. Otherwise it's a path. Maybe a
> cycleway if there is indication that
On 14 February 2011 16:52, David Murn wrote:
>> Would the UK coastguard have a good laugh when I claim to be in international
>> waters at that location?
>
> If youre more than 12 miles from the coast (which is what is mapped)
> then youre in international waters, why would they laugh at that fact
2011/1/10 ヴィカス ヤダヴァ (vikas yadav) :
> I used hamlet for my block as pop limit of <1000 is given = satisfied
The problem here is that population is only part of the definition of
a hamlet. Less than 1000 people is correct, but it also has an
implied "and is surrounded by open land/farms etc". You
On 28 December 2010 23:51, wrote:
> Trying to estimate building height via the perspective in aerial pictures
> will be tricky, as buildings that were closer to the flight path won't show
> as much parallax as those that were farther away.
It will be even trickier if you are using imagery that
On 21 December 2010 09:52, David Murn wrote:
> So, can you tell from every edit you did, whether you used nearmap as a
> reference while doing the edit? If so, you must be one of the very
> small percentage of people who tagged 100% every change they made,
> including even just shifting a node or
On 20 December 2010 20:25, Simone Cortesi wrote:
> this is no way different from GPL released software:
> http://www.gnu.org/licenses/why-assign.html
Actually, it's quite different. The FSF tell you upfront what the
requirements are. The OSMF let you spend years working on the
project, then cha
On 20 December 2010 12:53, David Murn wrote:
> Because of the impossibility to be able to distinguish whats what, any
> user who has ever made a change in this situation will have to have all
> their edits removed from the system, to avoid any possibility that one
> edit might infringe the rights
Fabio,
I cannot sign every edit I've ever done over, because I don't have the
rights to do so. I can OK many of them, however, that were based
purely on my own work, and not CC-BY-SA sources. There was some talk
of a tool being made available that would let me specify which were OK
by changeset.
On 27 November 2010 08:45, Martijn van Exel wrote:
> I'd much rather see a relative completeness grid map to inspire people to go
> out and visit those grids that seem less than perfect.
There's a tool I'd like to see available, with it own data store, that
overlays the main database. I'd try an
On 20 September 2010 21:48, Frederik Ramm wrote:
> Firstly, what is "behind" the gate differs depending on your location.
> Secondly, the way "behind" the gate may well be reachable by other means
> (i.e. a detour) - it is easy to imagine a gate where vehicles cannot pass,
> but still vehicles are
On 21 August 2010 04:29, Pierre-Alain Dorange wrote:
> Yes it seems strange to tag "place_of_worship" the whole area. According
> to the wiki should apply to the church, synagoge, temple... the place of
> worship, not the office, the garden and so on.
>
To me, it's not strange at all. To me, the
On 19 August 2010 17:27, Malcolm Herring wrote:
>
> The usual convention (Ordnance Survey for example) for land maps is to use
> "Mean High Water". (Marine charts usually use "Mean High Water Springs" as
> their dry land datum.)
There are exceptions. If a given area is covered in vegetation (eg
On 16 August 2010 07:42, Jonas Stein wrote:
> Are there any empty nodes that make sense, or is a empty always node nonsense?
The only thing I can think of , is that when I upload a way, the nodes
go first, then the way joins them all up. Is it possible for somebody
else to get the data while I'm
On 19 July 2010 23:19, Frederik Ramm wrote:
> And honestly, if at any future time two thirds of active OSM contributors
> want to change to a non-SA license, why should we keep them from it? In one
> or two years, "two thirds of active contributors" will be a greater number
> of people than all of
Chrome - Pahia, New Zealand
Firefox 3.6.6 - Pahia, New Zealand
IE 8.0 - Pahia, Aotearoa
Weird. Checking my language options in IE, the only language listed
is English, Australian.
Stephen
On 7 July 2010 12:40, Robin Paulson wrote:
> well, here's an odd thing:
>
> if i search for pahia from fir
I'm a bit confused as to what exactly counts as a nature_preserve.
Take a look at this area
http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-27.277213,152.952728&z=18&t=k&nmd=20100608
The land around the creek there is a council designated reserve.
However, it's not really to preserve any special nature area, or eve
On 23 June 2010 00:14, Paul Houle wrote:
>
> I'd like to see some tagging that tells cyclists not to ride on
> sidewalks, for instance: as a pedestrian I've been involved in
> accidents where cyclists were ~illegally~ riding on a sidewalk and
Surely that is just highway=foot, bicycle = no?
On 23 June 2010 02:44, Tom Hughes wrote:
> I think it would be rather bad of us to try and take it over and use it
> for our own ends like that.
>
> Some of us have already been talking about setting up an OSM specific
> Q&A site like this which would be a much better fit than trying to use
> some
On 2 June 2010 12:08, Robin Paulson wrote:
>
> this reminds me of a situation i've come across in auckland, which i
> don't know the solution to. there's a major road, which apparently has
> three names:
> The Strand (on signposts)
> Shipwright Lane (on different signposts)
> another name which I
When you first start JOSM, it has a loading screen, then it comes up
with a news page.
A few lines into that page, it has a line that tells you what your
version is, what the current stable (tested) version is, and what the
very latest version is. Keep an eye on that, and if the stable
version it
2010/1/9 John Smith :
> No it isn't, the preprocessing software could do that if it needs it,
> this isn't a reason to add extra nodes to the database.
We are talking about the API for editors and casual use of the
database. There are no pre-processors involved. Sure, rendering
engines that are
2010/1/8 Pieren :
> I would like but we need some clear definition about "office" and what
> makes the difference with the existing "amenity" and "shop" keys.
> For instance, the current definition of shop in Map Features is:
> "A shop is a place of business stocked with goods for sale or where a
>
2009/12/27 John Smith :
> In Australia there is this legacy speed limit sign for people with
> racing licenses that they can drive any speed they wish, everyone else
> is limited to 100, how exactly do you map that? (and I saw one such
> sign only the day before yesterday).
>
Umm, actually that on
There was a similar study that has been done in Wikipedia - and it got
similar results. Then somebody else did some closer studies, and found
that the last edit may have been done by one of the 10%, but they were
often cosmetic cleanups. The bulk of creation was done by other
users. I wonder how m
I think this is a case where the different versions of English are not
quite the same. To me:
A ford is a crossing that is usually underwater all the time. However
the water is shallow enough that you can cross anyway, just expect to
get a bit wet. It may be dry if the whole river dries up, or un
2009/10/22 Lester Caine :
>
> There is not currently a single solution, but I see no reason why a good
> email based list can't simply add a web based interactive archive as well?
>
There are solutions, but all the ones I know about are commercial. I
use a board based on MPNews from MessagePixels
2009/10/11 Russ Nelson :
>
> Stephen Hope writes:
> > However, I have seen proposals which have improved considerably after
> > a little bit of feedback during the voting process.
>
> We now have a tagging mailing list for that.
>
Of course, and it's a good plac
2009/10/9 Russ Nelson :
>
> The benefit is that people spend more time mapping and less time
> coordinating with each other on things that don't need to be
> coordinated in advance.
And the disadvantage is that by saving a little time on the lack of
coordinating at the start, we then end up spendi
2009/9/22 Richard Weait :
> Now everything I know about Australian highways I learned from Mel
> Gibson in _The Road Warrior_ so I have much to learn. What is the
> shield landscape like in Australia?
>
Queensland is in the (slow) process of changing to alphanumeric
designations, starting with th
2009/9/18 Dan Karran :
>
> and 'turn right' to stay on the same road, even though it just
> continues past the junction with a curve to the right.
>
Well yes, but there is a road going straight ahead as well. I've seen
plenty of situations where it is not obvious that the road you are on
is not th
And the difference between them is pretty easily explained. If you're
on a train, you know you've just pulled into a station, the only
question is which one, so the word station is redundant. If you are
outside the station, you may not know what the building in front of
you is, and you are normal
I think the problem there is they are usually a lot of small
buildings, rather than one big one. I think we're looking for a tag
to cover an area, I'm not sure building= is appropriate.
Stephen
2009/9/14 John Smith :
> Since they're buildings wouldn't using a building=* tag be more
> accurate in
What landuse would you recommend for a cemetery? It's been said that
all land should be covered by some landuse or other. Like putting in
Landuse=retail but also listing the individual shops as amenities.
So should we put both landuse=cemetery and an
amenity=cemetery/graveyard node, or are you s
2009/8/26 Roy Wallace :
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:29 AM, John Smith wrote:
>> --- On Wed, 26/8/09, Roy Wallace wrote:
>>
>> Pre-processor finds a stop sign, looks for the nearest junction node which
>> it would already know is a junction for routing purposes.
>
> Not too bad when you put it lik
2009/8/23 Tobias Knerr :
> Therefore, I'd prefer to restrict highway=conveyor to human transport
> (or human+bicycle or some kind of vehicle, if this exists somewhere, by
> using access tags) and use a separate top level tag for goods - for
> example man_made=conveyor.
I don't have a problem with
2009/8/23 Tobias Knerr :
> I believe the best way to solve this is to create a new top-level (that
> is, highway) value for all variants of conveyor transport. So, for
> example, we could do:
Is this intended to be only for human transport? I know of some quite
lengthy conveyors for goods - eg co
Well, I don't know about Hebrew. But at least some of the languages
that use Arabic script (there are many) write the sentences and words
from right to left, but the numbers from left to right. I have no
idea about Chinese/Japanese etc. But I think that left to right for
numbers, while not unive
at detail - at least not this year.
Stephen
2009/8/19 John Smith :
> --- On Wed, 19/8/09, Stephen Hope wrote:
>
> Going to the Muster?
>
> Even when events are on the same space wouldn't the venue be laid out
> differently each year?
>
hundreds
> of years and are, in many ways, much more exciting examples of the
> proposal.
>
> That's my opinion at least; load the database with all the dating
> information you can and leave it to those who control the renderers to
> decide what they want to show.
>
>
I am hoping in a couple of weeks to map the grounds at a festival that
occurs yearly in the same spot. This is not so much historical data,
as data that's only true for three weeks a year. The rest of the time,
it's just fields, with a few items (some toilets, etc) that stay in
place year round.
W
I've seen todo="job" used for this purpose. And todo tags show up in
a number of verification tools, so it will be brought to people's
attention.
Stephen
2009/8/14 Morten Kjeldgaard :
> I realized when mapping today that it would be very useful to have a
> set of OSM status POIs that you could u
I've done some rain-forest hiking, and I've noticed similar results.
If you really want to see some wandering tracks, try hiking along the
base of some cliffs, in dense forest.
I have noticed that the errors do seems to be less the faster I'm
moving. If I stand in one place for a while, the path
2009/7/28 John Smith :
>
> In Australia in Telstra won a lawsuit against people OCR'ing the street
> directory and selling white/yellow pages on CD. For all intents and purposes
> Telstra owns the copyright on all Australian White/Yellow page directories
> and now Telstra is a publicly listed co
Yeah, you're right - this is more what I was thinking of seeing, but
the relationship is the one that came up when I searched. I don't
understand the wiki search results sometimes. Try this page. I think
the one I listed earlier is not the best option.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Propose
I'm sure somebody somewhere has used a tag like max_speed_opposite or
something like that, but the closest I've actually seen to a
recomendation is this
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations/Proposed/Segmented_Tag
Look at the discussion tab for more info. I don't knwo how widely
this is a
Good luck changing their minds. We have a similar rule near here - no
bad winters or wild animals, but some kids were supposed to walk
across a major multi-lane highway that had no crossing at all for
vehicles for several km each way, but they were within a 1km circle of
the school, so no transpor
What is your suggested ref for links that are an entrance, not an exit?
And can you give an example of what you mean by an exit ref? Where I
come from, some exits have numbers, but the number is associated with
the highway ref, so you'd still need that as well.
2009/6/25 Xav :
> Hi all,
>
> On t
2009/5/22 Richard Bullock :
> Am I missing something, or can we not just assume that e.g.
>
> each highway=residential has a speed limit consistent with urban areas in
> that country - unless explicitly tagged otherwise
>
Actually, that wouldn't work where I live in Australia. Each state
can have
In my part of Australia, we have a speed limit that applies to every
non-rural street that is not specifically signed as being another
speed - basically case (b) below. The wording used in the law is
"built up area". (In practice, the test for a "built up area" seems
to be "does it have street li
There are large parts of tropical coastlines where the coast is marked
as the outside edge of mangrove swamps. These are covered with water
most of the time, and adjacent to the sea, so are below the "high
tide" line, but are considered to be part of the land. You can't take
a boat through them,
Make sure you test it in the cold though, as noted before,
recharchable batteries especially tend to work worse in cold weather.
Doesn't mean they won't work, just that you'll get maybe half the life
out of them.
If you are going to use good alkaline batteries, don't expect them to
be easily avail
I'm guessing a food court. That's the term I've always heard, anyway.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_court
Stephen
2009/3/29 Ulf Lamping :
> Hi!
>
> Someone added amenity=food_outlets to the map features and even after
> reading the comment "An area with several food outlets" I'm quite unsur
OK, so while we're talking about this, there are a number of paths
near me. Nice smooth concrete, about 2m wide. They run through parks,
and there are signs on the park as a whole that say "No motorised
vehicles". These paths are marked with a sign that has a pedestrian
and a bicycle, and another
Having an automatic algorithm that figures all this out is a nice
dream, and we should work towards it, but I don't think it will ever
be perfect. A map-maker uses a lot of information to decide which
places to show on a given map. Some of it is available to a renderer,
and some isn't. A "relative
And you can't always blame the journalists, either. Once they send
their copy in, the editors can have a go at it as well. I've seen
perfectly good and factual articles become very inaccurate as the
editors try and make it fit in half the space with bit of cut and
paste. You'd think these days the
It's laziness in the language - doctors is the short hand form of
"doctor's surgery/office/place". Some (me included) would write it as
doctor's, though the shortened form sometimes loses the apostrophe. It
has nothing to do with how many doctors there are. "I'm going to the
doctor's" is talking a
What I like about the tag voting system is the discussion. The
discussion pages around a tag proposal are often quite useful - often
more so than the main page on the tag. The number of times a tag
proposal has been improved from the original proposal after discussion
suggests that any system that
I originally had problems with that as well. Things to check
- Are you sure you have replaced the wms plugin? The text in the
plugin area of preferences should say something like "This is the
enhanced version of the WMS plugin..." If it doesn't, disable it,
restart JOSM, then enable it again and
No, don't delete them if they may be of historical value (or if they
come back again). Tag them with something so they don't show in the
"current day" maps. We already have historical tagged items - things
that don't currently exist. (US Civil war battlesites, etc).
There is a festival near me t
I didn't give it because I didn't remember, and it isn't what he's
looking for. It was the testing of the snap-to road functions and the
track-logging I remembered. It is a Mio PDA, model 7nn (720, 730?).
I can't look it up right now because I loaned it to somebody for the
Christmas holidays, and
It's not hard to test. When I was unsure if my device was doing this
or not, I set it to snap to road, and then took it for a little walk
along the edge and then cut some corners in a park, then looked at the
tracks. For my specific device (not a Zumo), I discovered that the on
screen and main tr
2008/12/21 D Tucny :
>
> What makes an optician's a shop whereas a dentist is an amenity? NHS?
> Opticians selling sunglasses?
>
Because an opticians tend's to look a shop, and I can go in, buy
something (new frame, glasses case, cleaning materials) without an
appointment or seeing an optician at
Start using it - the ultimate test of tag in OSM is whether it is used or not.
However, if people are actively discussing it, try and get a consensus first.
Stephen
2008/12/11 Colin McGregor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> So, what can I do to help advance the cause of getting a seasonal tag
> (be the
>
> Where you have the sign post for 4WD only, is that an access restriction or
> a suggestion?
>
> I.E. If you go on that road with a motorbike, or a 2wd vehicle, could you
> face prosecution? Or would you just be considered a bit foolish?
>
It's a warning, not a restriction. I regularly take m
As well as "You can't do this" and "You must do this" we need "You may
do this (that normally you can't)". Where I live, you can't do a
U-turn at traffic lights unless there's a sign that says you can. If
we try and mark this by putting relations at every light banning
U-turns, we'll just end up w
us <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> "Stephen Hope" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> Not all PSV's are buses.
>
> What else?
>
> Matthias
>
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Not all PSV's are buses.
2008/10/23 Matthias Julius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Shaun McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> Usually psv for public service vehicle is used for access restrictions.
>
> I missed that. It would have been too easy to call a bus "bus", I
> guess ;-)
>
> Should we rename
We have a similar thing here in Queensland, Australia. You can't do a
U-turn at any traffic lights unless there is a sign specifically
saying that you can. I think this is the same across the whole
country, but I'd have to check. There are no signs saying you can't at
the other lights, you're supp
2008/10/9 Matthias Julius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> This leads to a nightmare. Those rules would need to be implemented
> in every tool that works with OSM data (and cares about oneway
> properties).
>
It's a nightmare we're probably going to have to address at some point
if we want to do good rou
Bad assumption. This may be the case in parts of Europe and the USA,
but certainly not in most parts of the world.
2008/10/3 Matthias Julius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Trunk roads are probably mostly oneway, too ...
>
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That is certainly the case in Australia. Parts of our 'National
Highway 1' are motorway standard, other parts are labeled trunk, but
are one lane each way, not divided road, and anything is allowed on
them. And the only alternate route may well be several hundred km
longer.
2008/9/8 Dermot McNal
2008/9/2 Sascha Silbe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> There's no way OSM could change that default, it's up to your MUA vendor.
> The buttons you're currently using are "reply" (with an implied "to author")
> and "reply to all", not "reply (default)" and "reply (alternative)".
> The only thing OSM can do is
The northern coast of Australia has many Mangrove marshes at river
mouths, some of them extending many kilometres away from the dry shore
line. PGS shows these areas as sea, because they are not dry land -
and that is were the coastlines would have been imported from. Note
that "being submerged f
If you can't cross from one side to another anywhere, then it should
be marked as two separate ways.
When you have a twoway road connect to one of these, it will connect
to each side, with a little crossing piece in the middle. When you
have two such roads connect, then it will look like a hash s
2008/6/24 Michal Migurski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I'd also take
> issue with your rendering of Divisadero - it's a lot like Sepulveda in
> in LA, apparently the wrong pronunciation is the right pronunciation. =)
That's a whole other can of worms. Is the right pronunciation:
- The way the local
2008/6/21 OJ W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> one of the more pathetic tricks of those proprietary gadgets on the
> car dashboard, is that they tell you what road you're on, as if you
> didn't know from the signs...
>
Actually, that is quite useful where I live. The sign posts around
here show the names
There are definitely tools that do this seamlessly. I'm not sure if
there are free ones or not. I belong to a group that allows you to
send and receive messages by mailing list, newsgroup, forum, rss feed
(receive only). It uses MPNews, which is commercial. As I understand
it, it is a newsgroup
What is your definition of an artificial waterway? Dug and designed
by man? Made of non-natural materials?
Near me a few years ago was an open marshy field that was fed by a
stream, with a stream exiting.
Now the developers have put houses up in the field. They brought in
dirt and raised the g
Says who? The boundary of the forest IS the road. :)
This is one of religious discussions - both sides KNOW they are right,
and no amount of discussion is going to change things. Unless we have
a central decision making force of some sort lay down the law, (in OSM
- hah!) you'll continue to see
In theory, yes. In practice, maybe.
You would find that if you did a third measuring line, it probably
wouldn't intersect where the first two did. Small errors at the
measuring end cause massive errors at the other end. Even the guys
with the specialist measuring equipment working on a building
But what is a significant amount of use? You can't just go on
numbers. Based on the posts a month or so back about badly formed
tags, there are probably more misspelled versions of the main highway
tags than legitimate versions of many other tags.
I would, in fact, think that a well thought out
I think it's just as important to have a list of models NOT to buy.
Of course, this may get us into trouble with those manufacturers, but
as long as we stick to facts and not opinions, we should be fine. If
a particular model only records data points every 10 seconds (or not
at all), we need to kn
I agree, high water would seem like the 'natural' coast. But I think
you have to modify this when you look at deltas with swamps and fens.
If you look at the outline on most (any?) maps with a major river
system mouth, they show all the swampy areas as part of the land, and
don't try and distingui
Also, if you are in an area with extensive coastal swamps (mangroves
for example) be aware that the PGS data usually traces the land side
of the swamp. This makes sense, looking at the statement below, but
the mangrove swamps can extend for many kilometres to sea, and I
wouldn't want to sail throu
This would be good. But even better, let me select a portion of a
track log and upload it. My track logs tend to be a nightmarish
tangle, with possibly hours of stuff before, after and during the
interesting bits. I can use them because I was there, and know where
I went, when and why (this is w
Christoph,
There was some discussion about this on the list last month, (in a
thread that started by talking about the Icon tag), and there is now a
proposed tag as wayside_cross (there is also wayside_shrine).
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/wayside_cross
Wayside cross
duplicate the nodes that uploaded last time?
Is there some rule that says you can't have two nodes in the same
place?
Stephen Hope
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