Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is not the place for dissemination of authoritative data sets

On 20/03/2020 19:00, Mikel Maron wrote:   But this thread is from Facebook trying to change that. To side step imports. No they're not. It's a couple sections in a blog post that is being wildly misinterpreted. It's perhaps worth remembering how we got here: https://news.ycombinator.com/ite

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is not the place for dissemination of authoritative data sets

> Today's blog posts are the press releases of past years. It would have been >quite possible to run it past the responsible organs of the organisation they >were writing about, as it would have been customary in earlier days. Good enough idea, but I have seen very few or even no examples of som

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is not the place for dissemination of authoritative data sets

Am 20.03.2020 um 20:00 schrieb Mikel Maron: >>   But this thread is from Facebook trying to change that. To side step >> imports. > No they're not. It's a couple sections in a blog post that is being wildly > misinterpreted. Today's blog posts are the press releases of past years. It would have

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is not the place for dissemination of authoritative data sets

>  But this thread is from Facebook trying to change that. To side step imports. No they're not. It's a couple sections in a blog post that is being wildly misinterpreted. * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron On Friday, March 20, 2020, 02:18:54 PM EDT, Rory McCann wrote:

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is not the place for dissemination of authoritative data sets

On 19/03/2020 20:15, Mikel Maron wrote: This whole thread is blown out of proportion, and rehashing old theoretical debates about imports that are more or less resolved in practice. Yes, we have an import guideline. But this thread is from Facebook trying to change that. To side step imports.

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is not the place for dissemination of authoritative data sets

On 19/03/2020 17:28, Christoph Hormann wrote: I think I have said that in the past already: "Assume good faith" as a general principle can on OSM only work w.r.t. individuals taking full and permanant responsibility for their own actions. There cannot be an assumption of good faith for inherent

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is not the place for dissemination of authoritative data sets

On 3/19/2020 3:17 PM, Mikel Maron wrote: > How would a mapper performing imports via RapiD comply with the import guidelines? By complying with the guidelines before setting up an import process that leveraged RapiD for conflation. That doesn't sound so bad to me, pending further details. But

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is not the place for dissemination of authoritative data sets

On 19.03.20 20:02, Mateusz Konieczny via talk wrote: > But (at least to me) "dissemination of authoritative data sets" sounds like > "overwriting OSM data with external dataset" or "importing just because > it is official". > > Just yesterday I was explaining to one of mappers that it is OK to ma

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is not the place for dissemination of authoritative data sets

The fundamental point of this discussion is that the AI, the Artificial Intelligence, does not exist yet. It is kind of a marketing gimmick. Sure, there are good computer programs, there are sophisticated automatons, but there is no AI, except in movies and serials. Let me give you an example

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is not the place for dissemination of authoritative data sets

> What's your guess, who will care more for the map, people who have copied AI >generated data or those who have created it, or doesn't it matter and it's the >same? Germany is awesome but not the only way things can develop. People who already care about OSM and have for years think rapid can h

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is not the place for dissemination of authoritative data sets

> How would a mapper performing imports via RapiD comply with the import >guidelines? By complying with the guidelines before setting up an import process that leveraged RapiD for conflation. Mikel On Thursday, March 19, 2020, 11:28 AM, Jmapb wrote: On 3/19/2020 7:57 AM, Mikel Maron wrote:

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is not the place for dissemination of authoritative data sets

Some imports are good, some are bad. We have ways to asses them with guidelines. There are tools to help the technical process. Maybe there’s more possibilities with rapid on tooling, maybe not. Seems pretty simple. This whole thread is blown out of proportion, and rehashing old theoretical deb

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is not the place for dissemination of authoritative data sets

Mar 19, 2020, 12:57 by mikel.ma...@gmail.com: > Frederik, you’re crying out against phantoms, and getting stuck on one > interpretation of the word “authoritative”, and using that misinterpretation > as an excuse to beat on one of your favorite punching bags, and try to exact > radical unratio

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is not the place for dissemination of authoritative data sets

Mar 19, 2020, 12:28 by frede...@remote.org: > Hi, > > a propos a recent statement from our friends at Facebook in which they > make plans for the future of our project, > > https://tech.fb.com/map-with-ai-updates/ > >> Beyond AI-based data sets, one of the biggest challenges for OSM is >> impo

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is not the place for dissemination of authoritative data sets

Mar 19, 2020, 17:54 by j...@betra.is: > However I believe including them is beneficial for OSM and its users and so > have been doing updates as I can. However it is not an easy process for large > areas, having to chop the huge Vatnajökulsþjóðgarður (over 15% of Iceland) up > due to max nod

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is not the place for dissemination of authoritative data sets

On 19.03.20 17:54, Jóhannes Birgir Jensson wrote: > So - why are authoritative data sets an unwelcome addition? At its core, OSM is a platform for collaboratively editing geodata. So the following would be strong reasons not to import a dataset: - other mappers should not edit it (because the dat

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is not the place for dissemination of authoritative data sets

I second Jóhannes -- every dataset, including OSM itself (hehe) has errors. Consuming each additional dataset is a complex task -- each dataset has its own structure and conventions, thus the fewer datasets one has to work with, the better. The fundamental problem with 99.9% of the datasets exclud

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is not the place for dissemination of authoritative data sets

As someone who started as a foot mapper but who is now also in an "authoritative position" I'd like to answer Frederik here. Amongst my professional responsibilities is the dissemination of the authoritative data set for protected areas in Iceland. Many of these are huge, do not have lines draw

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is not the place for dissemination of authoritative data sets

On Thursday 19 March 2020, Mikel Maron wrote: > Frederik, you’re crying out against phantoms, and getting stuck on > one interpretation of the word “authoritative”, and using that > misinterpretation as an excuse to beat on one of your favorite > punching bags, and try to exact radical unrational r

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is not the place for dissemination of authoritative data sets

On Thursday 19 March 2020, Frederik Ramm wrote: > > I think that someone who cannot respect these basic tenets of > OpenStreetMap - that mappers on the ground have the last word on what > gets into OSM and what not - shouldn't be allowed to publish software > that interacts with our database. I thi

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is not the place for dissemination of authoritative data sets

On 3/19/2020 7:57 AM, Mikel Maron wrote: There is nothing here about circumventing our well defined import guidelines, or disrespecting our basic tenets. The blog post says "The process of creating an import is too onerous for many users" and "Our hope is that RapiD can become a tool that’s sim

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is not the place for dissemination of authoritative data sets

Am Do., 19. März 2020 um 13:01 Uhr schrieb Mikel Maron < mikel.ma...@gmail.com>: > Martin, have you actually tried RapiD? It doesnt resemble what you > describe and does not disempower anyone. > it changes the way we add things, or at least has potential to significantly shift the relation of in

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is not the place for dissemination of authoritative data sets

Martin, have you actually tried RapiD? It doesnt resemble what you describe and does not disempower anyone. From talking to mappers in places with less developed maps than Germany, there is enthusiasm about a tool that will help their mapping processes, and a thorough understanding of the limits

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is not the place for dissemination of authoritative data sets

Frederik, you’re crying out against phantoms, and getting stuck on one interpretation of the word “authoritative”, and using that misinterpretation as an excuse to beat on one of your favorite punching bags, and try to exact radical unrational restrictions on a piece of software. What Facebook i

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is not the place for dissemination of authoritative data sets

Am Do., 19. März 2020 um 12:32 Uhr schrieb Frederik Ramm < frede...@remote.org>: > I think that someone who cannot respect these basic tenets of > OpenStreetMap - that mappers on the ground have the last word on what > gets into OSM and what not - shouldn't be allowed to publish software > that in

[OSM-talk] OSM is not the place for dissemination of authoritative data sets

Hi, a propos a recent statement from our friends at Facebook in which they make plans for the future of our project, https://tech.fb.com/map-with-ai-updates/ > Beyond AI-based data sets, one of the biggest challenges for OSM is importing > even readily available authoritative data sets > ... >

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is a right mess (was: Craigslist OpenStreetMap Rendering Issue)

oneway=no is very clear to me and different to not having a oneway value at all. this way it means it was surveyed and it is not a oneway. maybe with lit=yes or lit=no is more clear that is actually adds something of value? greets, floris On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 2:04 AM, pmailkeey . wrote: > i

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is a right mess (was: Craigslist OpenStreetMap Rendering Issue)

On 4 June 2015 at 19:39, Lester Caine wrote: > On 04/06/15 16:04, Paweł Paprota wrote: > > Could you please move this discussion to the tagging list? > While some elements being picked up on are simple 'tagging' questions, > it is the general structure we are discussing which in my book is the >

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is a right mess (was: Craigslist OpenStreetMap Rendering Issue)

On 04/06/15 16:04, Paweł Paprota wrote: > Could you please move this discussion to the tagging list? While some elements being picked up on are simple 'tagging' questions, it is the general structure we are discussing which in my book is the whole point of OSM. I think there is still room to discus

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is a right mess (was: Craigslist OpenStreetMap Rendering Issue)

Could you please move this discussion to the tagging list? On Thu, Jun 4, 2015, at 16:57, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > > > > Am 04.06.2015 um 01:48 schrieb pmailkeey . : > > > > > > A value of residential here seems to need a key to identify whether it > > relates to a building or land

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is a right mess

On 3 June 2015 at 07:00, Maarten Deen wrote: > On 2015-06-03 02:04, pmailkeey . wrote: > >> iD shows oneway=unknown if it's not set. If it's unknown, iD should >> not show oneway at all. >> > > I agree. > > In OSM if oneway=no then it's not oneway and the oneway tag should not >> appear at all.

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> Am 04.06.2015 um 02:11 schrieb Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: > > No. > Landuse - a facility (what it gets used for) > The governmental authority here says an area is for residential use .. > They do that before there are any houses thus it is not just the area under a > building. No ;-)

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is a right mess (was: Craigslist OpenStreetMap Rendering Issue)

> Am 04.06.2015 um 01:48 schrieb pmailkeey . : > > > A value of residential here seems to need a key to identify whether it > relates to a building or landuse. there is also highway=residential > However, you suggest building=residential as possibly being redundant. In > fact, I'd tu

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In urban areas, it is common to have mixed-use buildings as well, with retail or services on the ground floor and residential units on upper floors. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com "Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is a right mess

On 2015-06-04 01:48, pmailkeey . wrote: On 3 June 2015 at 09:45, Lester Caine wrote: On 03/06/15 01:04, pmailkeey . wrote: OSM's k=v design is completely a serious and unnecessary flaw. Similarly are 'categories' like man_made', and 'amenity'. Why can we not simply stick to hard facts rathe

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is a right mess

On 4/06/2015 9:48 AM, pmailkeey . wrote: A value of residential here seems to need a key to identify whether it relates to a building or landuse. However, you suggest building=residential as possibly being redundant. In fact, I'd turn this on its head and make landuse=residential (with the

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is a right mess (was: Craigslist OpenStreetMap Rendering Issue)

On 04/06/15 00:48, pmailkeey . wrote: > A value of residential here seems to need a key to identify whether it > relates to a building or landuse. However, you suggest > building=residential as possibly being redundant. In fact, I'd turn this > on its head and make landuse=residential (with the ex

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is a right mess (was: Craigslist OpenStreetMap Rendering Issue)

On 3 June 2015 at 09:45, Lester Caine wrote: > On 03/06/15 01:04, pmailkeey . wrote: > > OSM's k=v design is completely a serious and unnecessary flaw. Similarly > > are 'categories' like man_made', and 'amenity'. > > Why can we not simply stick to hard facts rather guessing what > > categor(ies)

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is a right mess (was: Craigslist OpenStreetMap Rendering Issue)

On 03/06/15 12:57, Janko Mihelić wrote: > Yes, we need semantic meaning and structure, but I still don't > understand how do two strings help you with that. Key and value can only > help someone who is digging through a xml file to quickly help > themselves. But the true meaning of a k=v combinatio

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is a right mess (was: Craigslist OpenStreetMap Rendering Issue)

On 03/06/15 12:02, Janko Mihelić wrote: > I don't get the problem with k=v instead of just v. There is a function > called concatenate which solves that. > > We should move away from mapping directly with tags, and to a system > like iDs, with descriptions that hide tags. For a database it's > ir

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is a right mess (was: Craigslist OpenStreetMap Rendering Issue)

I don't get the problem with k=v instead of just v. There is a function called concatenate which solves that. We should move away from mapping directly with tags, and to a system like iDs, with descriptions that hide tags. For a database it's irrelevant if it's "oneway=yes" or "4658". All this ta

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is a right mess (was: Craigslist OpenStreetMap Rendering Issue)

> Am 03.06.2015 um 12:21 schrieb Lester Caine : > > The areas I'm trying to tidy up are small shopping malls which > have shops within shops on multiple levels ... with accommodation above. > A combination of objects is just what I'm looking for, but with > different outlines for each object .

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> Am 03.06.2015 um 11:36 schrieb Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: > > landcover rather than landuse? (for woodland, grass, forest etc) there is a landcover tag proposal, grass is a proposed value, but forest and grassland are deliberately not, please use "trees" (regardless of any forest/woo

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On 2015-06-03 12:08, Shaun McDonald wrote: On 3 Jun 2015, at 07:00, Maarten Deen wrote: I agree that in every case where oneway=yes is not implied, oneway=no is superfluous (in a network design way), but that does not make oneway=no superfluous. There are some cases where oneway=no is us

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On 03/06/15 11:08, Shaun McDonald wrote: >> I agree that in every case where oneway=yes is not implied, oneway=no is >> superfluous (in a network design way), but that does not make oneway=no >> superfluous. >> > > There are some cases where oneway=no is useful. For example an area where > ther

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is a right mess (was: Craigslist OpenStreetMap Rendering Issue)

On 03/06/15 10:30, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> Just what combination is right for a single retail building with a >> > leisure facility on the ground floor and accommodation above? > > I don't think a combination of tags is the best answer to this question, it's > rather a combination of object

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> On 3 Jun 2015, at 07:00, Maarten Deen wrote: > > On 2015-06-03 02:04, pmailkeey . wrote: >> iD shows oneway=unknown if it's not set. If it's unknown, iD should >> not show oneway at all. > > I agree. > >> In OSM if oneway=no then it's not oneway and the oneway tag should not >> appear at all

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On 3/06/2015 6:45 PM, Lester Caine wrote: The discussion recently on how a 'university' should be tagged probably encompasses all of the circularity with the current tagging practice, and where the hierarchy of tagging could best be agreed. Campus area === landuse=university Some universities a

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is a right mess (was: Craigslist OpenStreetMap Rendering Issue)

> Am 03.06.2015 um 10:45 schrieb Lester Caine : > > Just what combination is right for a single retail building with a > leisure facility on the ground floor and accommodation above? I don't think a combination of tags is the best answer to this question, it's rather a combination of object

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is a right mess (was: Craigslist OpenStreetMap Rendering Issue)

On 03/06/15 01:04, pmailkeey . wrote: > OSM's k=v design is completely a serious and unnecessary flaw. Similarly > are 'categories' like man_made', and 'amenity'. > Why can we not simply stick to hard facts rather guessing what > categor(ies) an object fits in This is a bit like saying XML is the

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is a right mess

On 2015-06-03 02:04, pmailkeey . wrote: iD shows oneway=unknown if it's not set. If it's unknown, iD should not show oneway at all. I agree. In OSM if oneway=no then it's not oneway and the oneway tag should not appear at all. Here I don't agree. The only time oneway should appear is in t

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is a right mess (was: Craigslist OpenStreetMap Rendering Issue)

On 3 June 2015 at 01:37, Tom MacWright wrote: > Hi Mike, > > Please propose an alternative. > I see an awful lot of good in OSM and I think it's a great project. I've had it agreed with another about it being such a mess - but the fact it's such a worthwhile project it's worth battling on with i

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is a right mess (was: Craigslist OpenStreetMap Rendering Issue)

On 3/06/2015 10:37 AM, Tom MacWright wrote: Hi Mike, Please propose an alternative. He has been .. on other threads.. On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 8:22 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar > wrote: On Jun 3, 2015 8:06 AM, "pmailkeey ." mailto:pmailk...@googlemail.com>> wrote:

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is a right mess (was: Craigslist OpenStreetMap Rendering Issue)

Fair point, I meant in the context of the list, as I thought others did too. Steve On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 6:07 PM -0700, "Eugene Alvin Villar" wrote: On 6/3/15, Steve Coast wrote: > >> On Jun 2, 2015, at 6:22 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: >> On Jun 3, 2015 8:06 AM, "pmailkeey ."

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is a right mess (was: Craigslist OpenStreetMap Rendering Issue)

On 6/3/15, Steve Coast wrote: > >> On Jun 2, 2015, at 6:22 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: >> On Jun 3, 2015 8:06 AM, "pmailkeey ." > > wrote: >> > OSM's k=v design is completely a serious and unnecessary flaw. [...] OSM >> > is 90% argument, 5% dead-end discussion

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is a right mess (was: Craigslist OpenStreetMap Rendering Issue)

On 3 June 2015 at 01:36, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: > Perhaps http://wikimapia.org/ will better match your needs, and offer > more peace for your family, property and pets. > Well, on Monday the 'prison' idea went out the window. Having me and my brother accused of ill-treating our mother - two , nay,

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is a right mess (was: Craigslist OpenStreetMap Rendering Issue)

> On Jun 2, 2015, at 6:22 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: > On Jun 3, 2015 8:06 AM, "pmailkeey ." > wrote: > > OSM's k=v design is completely a serious and unnecessary flaw. [...] OSM is > > 90% argument, 5% dead-end discussions and 5% progress. The whole is not

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is a right mess (was: Craigslist OpenStreetMap Rendering Issue)

Hi Mike, Please propose an alternative. On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 8:22 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: > On Jun 3, 2015 8:06 AM, "pmailkeey ." wrote: > > OSM's k=v design is completely a serious and unnecessary flaw. [...] OSM > is 90% argument, 5% dead-end discussions and 5% progress. The whole i

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is a right mess (was: Craigslist OpenStreetMap Rendering Issue)

On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 5:04 PM, pmailkeey . wrote: > iD shows oneway=unknown if it's not set. If it's unknown, iD should not > show oneway at all. > OSM's k=v design is completely a serious and unnecessary flaw. Similarly > are 'categories' like man_made', and 'amenity'. > Why can we not simply s

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is a right mess (was: Craigslist OpenStreetMap Rendering Issue)

On Jun 3, 2015 8:06 AM, "pmailkeey ." wrote: > OSM's k=v design is completely a serious and unnecessary flaw. [...] OSM is 90% argument, 5% dead-end discussions and 5% progress. The whole is not a marketable product; it's not fit to be rated as 'beta'. Is this a significant cause of ex-mappers ? I

[OSM-talk] OSM is a right mess (was: Craigslist OpenStreetMap Rendering Issue)

iD shows oneway=unknown if it's not set. If it's unknown, iD should not show oneway at all. In OSM if oneway=no then it's not oneway and the oneway tag should not appear at all. The only time oneway should appear is in the case of oneway=yes - and the '=yes' is superfluous. OSM's k=v design is c

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is dying (was Re: We Need to Stop Google's Exploitation of Open Communities)

On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 6:10 AM, Ed Avis wrote: > Kenneth Gonsalves thenilgiris.com> writes: > > >well I was very active, but there is nothing left to do except when I go > >to a new area, > > Out of interest where do you live? I see you are based in India but where? > I know that Germany, for

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is dying (was Re: We Need to Stop Google's Exploitation of Open Communities)

On Tue, 12 Apr 2011 13:10:28 +0100, Steve Doerr wrote: On 12/04/2011 12:37, Maarten Deen wrote: 15 jears ago ! Keeping in style ;-) Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is dying (was Re: We Need to Stop Google's Exploitation of Open Communities)

On 12/04/2011 12:37, Maarten Deen wrote: 15 jears ago ! -- Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is dying (was Re: We Need to Stop Google's Exploitation of Open Communities)

On Tue, 12 Apr 2011 16:56:58 +0530, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: On Tue, 2011-04-12 at 12:10 +0100, Steve Doerr wrote: On 12/04/2011 11:47, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > As to where I am: > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=11.414703&lon=76.692275&zoom=18&layers=M > > I see you have a place near you

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is dying (was Re: We Need to Stop Google's Exploitation of Open Communities)

On Tue, 2011-04-12 at 12:10 +0100, Steve Doerr wrote: > On 12/04/2011 11:47, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > > > As to where I am: > > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=11.414703&lon=76.692275&zoom=18&layers=M > > > > > > I see you have a place near you named 'JSS Naturapathy and Yoga > Hospital'.

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is dying (was Re: We Need to Stop Google's Exploitation of Open Communities)

On 12/04/2011 11:47, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: As to where I am: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=11.414703&lon=76.692275&zoom=18&layers=M I see you have a place near you named 'JSS Naturapathy and Yoga Hospital'. The usual word is 'naturopathy': 'naturapathy' sounds like something quite d

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is dying (was Re: We Need to Stop Google's Exploitation of Open Communities)

On Tue, 2011-04-12 at 10:10 +, Ed Avis wrote: > Kenneth Gonsalves thenilgiris.com> writes: > > >well I was very active, but there is nothing left to do except when I > go > >to a new area, > > Out of interest where do you live? I see you are based in India but > where? > I know that Germany

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is dying (was Re: We Need to Stop Google's Exploitation of Open Communities)

Hi. Even here in Germany I would say there is no place where nothing is left to do. Of course we can go sleeping where we are as good as Navteq and Teleatlas are. We can propose complete car navigation and interpolated addresses as the "target". But there is much more possible with OSM: - Ped

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is dying (was Re: We Need to Stop Google's Exploitation of Open Communities)

>There is hardly any place on earth where there is "nothing left to >do". Yes, that's why I put it in quotation marks, however it does depend on the individual. Some people may consider it sufficient to have a basic street layout in place and move on to other hobbies once that's done; others want

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is dying (was Re: We Need to Stop Google's Exploitation of Open Communities)

2011/4/12 Ed Avis : > Out of interest where do you live?  I see you are based in India but where? > I know that Germany, for example, has 'nothing left to do' in many places There is hardly any place on earth where there is "nothing left to do". There is almost everywhere (geometric) details to

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is dying (was Re: We Need to Stop Google's Exploitation of Open Communities)

Kenneth Gonsalves thenilgiris.com> writes: >well I was very active, but there is nothing left to do except when I go >to a new area, Out of interest where do you live? I see you are based in India but where? I know that Germany, for example, has 'nothing left to do' in many places but I didn't

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is dying (was Re: We Need to Stop Google's Exploitation of Open Communities)

On Tue, 2011-04-12 at 13:21 +0400, Ilya Zverev wrote: > Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > > > well I was very active, but there is nothing left to do except when I go > > to a new area, and most of my travel is to the same old places where > > some other guy has already done the work. I find even new pla

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is dying (was Re: We Need to Stop Google's Exploitation of Open Communities)

Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > well I was very active, but there is nothing left to do except when I go > to a new area, and most of my travel is to the same old places where > some other guy has already done the work. I find even new places are no > longer a challenge - I am not the first, and I HAT

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is dying

On Tue, 2011-04-12 at 00:10 -0400, Peter Budny wrote: > > well I was very active, but there is nothing left to do > > Really? Nothing left to do? I ran some quick checks on a local copy > of > about 4 US states and found that 74% of it HAD NEVER BEEN EDITED after > the initial Tiger import. t

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is dying

Kenneth Gonsalves writes: > On Mon, 2011-04-11 at 18:51 +0200, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> 2011/4/11 Dermot McNally : >>> OSM is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. >>> If OSM is to survive at all it will be among bearded hippies too >>> behind the times to have discove

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is dying (was Re: We Need to Stop Google's Exploitation of Open Communities)

On Mon, 2011-04-11 at 18:51 +0200, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2011/4/11 Dermot McNally : > > OSM is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. > If > > OSM is to survive at all it will be among bearded hippies too behind > > the times to have discovered Waze. OSM continues to de

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is dying (was Re: We Need to Stop Google's Exploitation of Open Communities)

I think you need to go more basic and ask what are the requirements? I don't think its ever been done. What are we trying to do and who is the target audience? Are we trying to create a map that can be used by others? Are we a social group that enjoys mapping? Why are we doing this? There mig

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is dying (was Re: We Need to Stop Google's Exploitation of Open Communities)

On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 3:32 PM, pec...@gmail.com wrote: > > 2) Get air clear for licensing stuff - decide and move forward, give > concrete deadlines for moving to ODbL. I know there is resistance but > bird have already sung in this case - then better split up efforts to > not to hurt each anot

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is dying (was Re: We Need to Stop Google's Exploitation of Open Communities)

2011/4/11 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer : > 2011/4/11 Dermot McNally : >> OSM is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If >> OSM is to survive at all it will be among bearded hippies too behind >> the times to have discovered Waze. OSM continues to decay. Nothing >> short of a cockeyed

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is dying (was Re: We Need to Stop Google's Exploitation of Open Communities)

2011/4/11 Dermot McNally : > OSM is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If > OSM is to survive at all it will be among bearded hippies too behind > the times to have discovered Waze. OSM continues to decay. Nothing > short of a cockeyed miracle could save OSM from its fate

[OSM-talk] OSM is dying (was Re: We Need to Stop Google's Exploitation of Open Communities)

On 11 April 2011 16:41, Ian Dees wrote: > When Google turns Google MapMaker on in the US and Europe*, it will become > much harder to recruit new mappers to our community (that is already quite > small). Being passive about this issue means that OSM and its more-open data > will eventually be dro

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is back after maintenance

On Sun, Jul 04, 2010 at 12:06:32PM +0200, Tirkon wrote: > >OpenStreetMap is now back after the planned maintenance. > > When I uploaded changes before, they were shown in Mapnik within > minutes. This seems to be not the case now. Is that caused by the > maintenance? Maybe, just a lot of people h

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is back after maintenance

Grant Slater wrote: >OpenStreetMap is now back after the planned maintenance. When I uploaded changes before, they were shown in Mapnik within minutes. This seems to be not the case now. Is that caused by the maintenance? ___ talk mailing list talk@o

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is back after maintenance

Le 03/07/2010 13:32, Grant Slater a écrit sur talk : Talk, OpenStreetMap is now back after the planned maintenance. Happy mapping. / Grant Part of OpenStreetMap sysadmin team. OSM est de retour après maintenance. Thanks to you. -- FrFiPovm ___

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is back after maintenance

On Sat, 3 Jul 2010, Grant Slater wrote: > Talk, > > OpenStreetMap is now back after the planned maintenance. > > Happy mapping. > > / Grant > Part of OpenStreetMap sysadmin team. > thanks guys we won't have to chat on irc any more now (talk-au) ___

[OSM-talk] OSM is back after maintenance

Talk, OpenStreetMap is now back after the planned maintenance. Happy mapping. / Grant Part of OpenStreetMap sysadmin team. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is a Google Summer of Code 2009 project!

2009/3/18 Mikel Maron > http://socghop.appspot.com/org/show/google/gsoc2009/openstreetmap > > You stole my thunder! :) OSM should start receiving applications for summer of code work soon. Keep the list of project ideas updated so we can attract some student applications. Thanks, Ian __

[OSM-talk] OSM is a Google Summer of Code 2009 project!

http://socghop.appspot.com/org/show/google/gsoc2009/openstreetmap ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is ....

Steve Chilton wrote: > "OSM is a multifunctional cytokine produced by activated T lymphocytes > and monocytes and shares properties with all the members of this > family > of proteins. OSM is structurally and functionally very similar to > LIF." We read the Observer on Sundays. Every month it

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is ....

Spanish version of OSM: http://www.osm.es/ On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 9:34 AM, Steve Chilton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Searching for something else I came across this: > > "OSM is a multifunctional cytokine produced by activated T lymphocytes > and monocytes and shares properties with all the m

[OSM-talk] OSM is ....

Searching for something else I came across this: "OSM is a multifunctional cytokine produced by activated T lymphocytes and monocytes and shares properties with all the members of this family of proteins. OSM is structurally and functionally very similar to LIF." Which just about sums it up reall