Re: [Talk-transit] NAPTAN Import: Plus-bus Zones

2009-08-06 Thread Roger Slevin
PlusBus zone boundaries are defined by the stoppoints at the edges of the zones. It should be possible to draw straight lines between each of the boundary points to define the polygon of the area they cover (all stops within such a polygon are members of that PlusBus zone). The exceptional

[Talk-transit] New 'Transit' page and proposed Stop Place model

2009-08-06 Thread Peter Miller
I have create a new top level page for 'transit' and redirected 'public transport' to that page. Take a look here and tell me what you think, and do of course make it better! http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Transit I am also proposing to write basic articles for each of the individual

[Talk-transit] Subject: Re: Railway route relations

2009-08-06 Thread Hillsman, Edward
On 5 Aug 2009 14:59:04 +0100, Peter Miller wrote: I totally agree, however we are just setting out on a long journey to capture all the transit data for the world, so lets get the modelling clear now and not be held back by some tag-updating! As we are aware the various transit strands

Re: [Talk-transit] New 'Transit' page and proposed Stop Place model

2009-08-06 Thread Peter Miller
On 6 Aug 2009, at 14:07, Frankie Roberto wrote: On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Peter Miller peter.mil...@itoworld.com wrote: snip b) splitting the pages down into smaller components - eg railways, bus stops, train services, train stations, etc. Whilst it's good to have an overall

Re: [Talk-transit] Subject: Re: Railway route relations

2009-08-06 Thread Frankie Roberto
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Hillsman, Edward hills...@cutr.usf.eduwrote: It now appears likely that our research center will receive funding to begin developing a multimodal trip planner using OpenStreetMap data. Firstly, congratulations on the getting this funding (presuming it gets

Re: [Talk-transit] Is 'Transit' and 'Public Transport' the same thing?

2009-08-06 Thread Frankie Roberto
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 3:28 PM, Peter Miller peter.mil...@itoworld.comwrote: I notice that Frankie has created a new Tram page (no content yet but it will come). Yup! Is 'transit' a synonym for 'public transport'? or not. If not then what is the difference? For me, as a native

Re: [talk-ph] Draft MoA between the OSM-F and any possible localchapter

2009-08-06 Thread maning sambale
I added our plans to form an OSM-PH org here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters I also requested/nominated Entrhopia to take on the interim Sec/Treas position at the moment. Another thing we should look into: Local Chapters would pay the Foundation a fee based on the

[talk-ph] POI- Petrol/Fuel/Gasoline

2009-08-06 Thread eric pareja
I don't see this in potlatch, or am I blind? :) (Fuel/Gas/Petrol) It's certainly a point of interest that I'd like to see on a map if I'm on the road. -- eric pareja (eric.par...@gmail.com) LPIC-2 | PGP/GPG Key 0xB82E42D9 Coordinator for Technology / Senior Linux Trainer National Telehealth

Re: [talk-ph] POI- Petrol/Fuel/Gasoline

2009-08-06 Thread Sammy Montecastro
I just double-click on the POI location then choose 'petrol station' under '(no preset)', or drag the Parking icon then change it to 'petrol station'. -Original Message- From: talk-ph-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-ph-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of eric pareja Sent:

Re: [talk-ph] Draft MoA between the OSM-F and any possible localchapter

2009-08-06 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
I think I mentioned this before but I disagree with the fee. In the draft agreement, the idea is to pay £10 *for each member of the local chapter*! I think this is too much. On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 7:36 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.comwrote: I added our plans to form an OSM-PH org

Re: [talk-ph] some osm-ph stats (20090729)

2009-08-06 Thread maning sambale
no prob. I can give updates if you need it. Kelan ba magkakaroon ng IdeaCamp Manila? On 8/7/09, George Tujan gtu...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the stats maning. If its ok with you, we'd like to use it for the next ideacampdavao presentation On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 8:06 AM, maning

Re: [talk-ph] some osm-ph stats (20090729)

2009-08-06 Thread George Tujan
September 12, 2009...its Marloue's turn to talk about OSM :) sige we'll need updated data talaga. TIA! On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 9:32 AM, maning sambaleemmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: no prob.  I can give updates if you need it. Kelan ba magkakaroon ng IdeaCamp Manila? On 8/7/09, George Tujan

Re: [talk-ph] some osm-ph stats (20090729)

2009-08-06 Thread George Tujan
Hehehe i didn't get your post, ideacamp manila pala hehehe may isang group that wants to take it there but I'm not sure if matuloy, but in any case ideacamp itself is just an idea you can actually make one there and the guys here would definitely love and support it On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 9:46

Re: [talk-ph] some osm-ph stats (20090729)

2009-08-06 Thread maning sambale
Second week of September right? Just in time for our OSM-PH GPS Map scheduled release. As a contribution to Davao efforts, I will provide updates to: 1. OSM-PH Garmin Map 2. OSM-PH Magellan Map for Davao 3. OSM-PH-Contour Garmin Map for Davao (sana this map will help hikers/mountaineers add

Re: [talk-ph] some osm-ph stats (20090729)

2009-08-06 Thread maning sambale
The GPS map? Syor! Maybe they want to host the svn and trac as well (joke). On 8/7/09, George Tujan gtu...@gmail.com wrote: Nice! incidentally Holden Hao of DabaweGNU approached me last week and ask if it would be possible for DabawenGNU to link/host your maps as well. On Fri, Aug 7,

Re: [talk-ph] Draft MoA between the OSM-F and any possiblelocalchapter

2009-08-06 Thread Andre Marcelo-Tanner
Ok I'll be Sec/Tres. Will Eugene be President? Para maform na :) Lapit lang bahay natin sa south. Andre maning sambale wrote: You're doing some the roles at the moment (tres/sec). I nominate you then. :) On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 1:16 PM, Andre Marcelo-Tanneran...@enthropia.com wrote: We

[talk-ph] Draft MoA between the OSM-F and any possible localchapter

2009-08-06 Thread Andre Marcelo-Tanner
What would be the point of paying? It says a local chapter can use the logo and osm domain and promote osm. Isnt counter-productive to charge an organization which wants to help improve OSM locally by its own resources/costs? A per member fee is rather high, maybe a low chapter fee would be

Re: [Talk-si] meje in zakoni]

2009-08-06 Thread Igor Brejc
Zdravo Ales, Zanimiv pristop, se popolnoma strinjam. Mogoce kasneje najdemo se kaksno drugo open-source karto z boljso resolucijo, pa tisto uvozimo naknadno. Edino bi pripomnil, da je treba vrisati le manjkajoco mejo s Hrvasko, ker so ostale ze vrisane iz drugih (verjetno bolj natancnih) virov.

Re: [OSM-talk] landuse for hotels

2009-08-06 Thread Stephan Plepelits
On Wed, Aug 05, 2009 at 12:54:01PM -0700, Joseph Scanlan wrote: What landuse are we using for hotels? I'm pretty sure it should be commercial or retail. For the area of the hotel: amenity=hotel And for the hotel itself: amenity=hotel, building=yes (For reference see amnenity=university)

Re: [OSM-talk] residential and unclassified in Australia WAS definition of the main highway-tag

2009-08-06 Thread Lester Caine
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Bear in mind that the highway tags aren't meant to be a sliding scale of importance, or follow a strict hierarchy. -1. I would contradict this for streets. I would correct that. Roads that form the main road network have a scale of importance - yes - but once we

Re: [OSM-talk] landuse for hotels

2009-08-06 Thread Mark Williams
Stephan Plepelits wrote: On Wed, Aug 05, 2009 at 12:54:01PM -0700, Joseph Scanlan wrote: What landuse are we using for hotels? I'm pretty sure it should be commercial or retail. For the area of the hotel: amenity=hotel And for the hotel itself: amenity=hotel, building=yes (For

Re: [OSM-talk] landuse for hotels

2009-08-06 Thread John McKerrell
On 6 Aug 2009, at 07:47, Mark Williams wrote: Stephan Plepelits wrote: On Wed, Aug 05, 2009 at 12:54:01PM -0700, Joseph Scanlan wrote: What landuse are we using for hotels? I'm pretty sure it should be commercial or retail. For the area of the hotel: amenity=hotel And for the hotel

Re: [OSM-talk] (no subject)

2009-08-06 Thread wynndale
Could you please give examples of usage on that page? In the main most chains, such as the Tesco supermarket have the tags shop=supermarket; name=Tesco, which I don't think is compatible with your idea of having an operator and name tag where you would put the name of the branch (for

[OSM-talk] Database/Model updates or suggestions

2009-08-06 Thread Gianfranco Gliozzo
Hello, I am interested in OSM's database. The schema in the wiki http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Database/Model; is out of date. Who knows the way it is now? Cheers Gianfranco _ Scarica i nuovi gadget per personalizzare

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] highway=unclassified currently is too ambiguous, so here's my proposal to fix it.

2009-08-06 Thread Ulf Möller
Frederik Ramm schrieb: This is not how it is generally used over here (Germany) where the majority of people use unclassified for a road roughly equal to residential but without people living there. And suddenly changing the meaning of a widely used tag is a really, really bad idea.

Re: [OSM-talk] landuse for hotels

2009-08-06 Thread Lester Caine
Stephan Plepelits wrote: On Wed, Aug 05, 2009 at 12:54:01PM -0700, Joseph Scanlan wrote: What landuse are we using for hotels? I'm pretty sure it should be commercial or retail. For the area of the hotel: amenity=hotel And for the hotel itself: amenity=hotel, building=yes (For

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] highway=unclassified currently is too ambiguous, so here's my proposal to fix it.

2009-08-06 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 6/8/09, Ulf Möller use...@ulfm.de wrote: And suddenly changing the meaning of a widely used tag is a really, really bad idea. Well I was right, it is too ambiguous :) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Database/Model updates or suggestions

2009-08-06 Thread Tom Hughes
On 06/08/09 09:01, Gianfranco Gliozzo wrote: I am interested in OSM's database. The schema in the wiki http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Database/Model; is out of date. Who knows the way it is now? Trust the code, not the documentation:

[OSM-talk] Modifying variable in wiki

2009-08-06 Thread Konrad Skeri
How do I modify a variable in a template on the wiki. In the Swedish version of the place-template there's a link to a weather site with forecasts for the city. Works for all Swedish cities as long as there is no space in the area name. However, for Vastra Gotaland the url of the area part to the

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Residential home

2009-08-06 Thread Mike Harris
Birgit This is late as I have been away in Finland for three weeks. I like your proposal as I have often searched the wiki for something like this. I have taken the liberty of adding a voting section to your proposal page and adding my vote in favour as the first entry. Hope this is OK! Mike

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] highway=unclassified currently is too ambiguous, so here's my proposal to fix it.

2009-08-06 Thread Liz
On Thu, 6 Aug 2009, John Smith wrote: And suddenly changing the meaning of a widely used tag is a really, really bad idea. Well I was right, it is too ambiguous :) and then we find out that whatever track translates to in German is not the same as what track means in Au. so again we have

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] restriction=school_zone (second email)

2009-08-06 Thread Liz
On Thu, 6 Aug 2009, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: this doesn't look very familiar to me. Do you know the following? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Conditions_for_access_ tags http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Extended_conditions_fo r_access_tags there

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Residential home

2009-08-06 Thread Mike Harris
David's summary is imho a good one. There are subtle but not hard-and-fast distinctions between 'sheltered accommodation' for those who can manage in their own place but need a warden around (and perhaps a community room or a public kitchen) and 'nursing home' for those in need of greater care,

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] highway=unclassified currently is too ambiguous, so here's my proposal to fix it.

2009-08-06 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 6/8/09, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: and then we find out that whatever track translates to in German is not the same as what track means in Au. so again we have widely used tags who are about to change their meaning It means about the same from what I've seen, a forestry type

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] restriction=school_zone (second email)

2009-08-06 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 6/8/09, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: Martin, its only 5 days a week and not in school holidays so how do we expand the tagging to cover the full set of restrictions? No matter what happens school holidays or the inverse can be mapped to some administrative boundary. Western

Re: [OSM-talk] Modifying variable in wiki

2009-08-06 Thread Ulf Möller
Konrad Skeri schrieb: How do I modify a variable in a template on the wiki. In the Swedish version of the place-template there's a link to a weather site with forecasts for the city. Works for all Swedish cities as long as there is no space in the area name. However, for Vastra Gotaland

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] highway=unclassified currently is too ambiguous, so here's my proposal to fix it.

2009-08-06 Thread Richard Fairhurst
John Smith wrote: --- On Wed, 5/8/09, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Where we fail is that we don't have anything less significant than unclassified for non-residential areas. In particular, country roads that aren't particularly routable, but still have a passable

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] highway=unclassified currently is too ambiguous, so here's my proposal to fix it.

2009-08-06 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 6/8/09, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: That's proposing highway=rural as something less significant than tertiary (bad, we already have unclassified for that), not something less significant than unclassified (good, we don't have anything like that in rural

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] highway=unclassified currently is too ambiguous, so here's my proposal to fix it.

2009-08-06 Thread Richard Mann
I'm coming to sympathise with the rendering gods, this really is going round in circles isn't it! The advantage of a new highway tag is a nice clear match between tag and reality, leading to better performance by taggers, renderers and routers. The disadvantage is confusion in the transitionary

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] highway=unclassified currently is too ambiguous, so here's my proposal to fix it.

2009-08-06 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 6/8/09, Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com wrote: I'm concluding that - while you wouldn't start from here - the existing tagging can be made to work, though the documentation should be improved. We don't really need another level in the countryside, and there

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] highway=unclassified currently is too ambiguous, so here's my proposal to fix it.

2009-08-06 Thread Richard Mann
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 11:51 AM, John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: The problem with this is it requires urban areas to be in existence for the routing to work, so this is a bad idea as well. Routers can look for an abutters tag just as easily as using an urban area polygon. Richard

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] highway=unclassified currently is too ambiguous, so here's my proposal to fix it.

2009-08-06 Thread Richard Fairhurst
John Smith wrote: The distinction is that highway=rural isn't as well maintained, or has as much traffic as highway=residential, so if residential is lower than unclassified, then rural is lower than residential, but higher than track Rural is lower than residential doesn't arise,

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] highway=unclassified currently is too ambiguous, so here's my proposal to fix it.

2009-08-06 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 6/8/09, Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com wrote: Routers can look for an abutters tag just as easily as using an urban area polygon. They don't always exist either. That's the problem, lots of Australia is just blank or very near to it.

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] highway=unclassified currently is too ambiguous, so here's my proposal to fix it.

2009-08-06 Thread Liz
On Thu, 6 Aug 2009, Richard Mann wrote: The problem with this is it requires urban areas to be in existence for the routing to work, so this is a bad idea as well. Routers can look for an abutters tag just as easily as using an urban area polygon. Richard abutters has not been used in our

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Residential home

2009-08-06 Thread Greg Troxel
Mike Harris mik...@googlemail.com writes: David's summary is imho a good one. There are subtle but not hard-and-fast distinctions between 'sheltered accommodation' for those who can manage in their own place but need a warden around (and perhaps a community room or a public kitchen) and

Re: [OSM-talk] definition of the main highway-tag

2009-08-06 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/6 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: Sounds good to me. An improvement. Look forward to seeing the individual tag definitions cleaned up accordingly (eventually). that would probably be a fulltime-job ;-) cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] residential and unclassified in Australia WAS definition of the main highway-tag

2009-08-06 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/6 Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk: Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Bear in mind that the highway tags aren't meant to be a sliding scale of importance, or follow a strict hierarchy. -1. I would contradict this for streets. I would correct that. Roads that form the main road network have a

Re: [OSM-talk] landuse for hotels

2009-08-06 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/6 John McKerrell j...@mckerrell.net: On 6 Aug 2009, at 07:47, Mark Williams wrote: Stephan Plepelits wrote: On Wed, Aug 05, 2009 at 12:54:01PM -0700, Joseph Scanlan wrote: What landuse are we using for hotels?  I'm pretty sure it should be commercial or retail. For the area of the

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] highway=unclassified currently is too ambiguous, so here's my proposal to fix it.

2009-08-06 Thread Shaun McDonald
On 6 Aug 2009, at 12:06, John Smith wrote: --- On Thu, 6/8/09, Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com wrote: Routers can look for an abutters tag just as easily as using an urban area polygon. The abutters tag is dwindling in use as landuse polygons should be used

[OSM-talk] Spam on TAH-Map

2009-08-06 Thread Peter Körner
Hi This looks a little like spam to me or at least like bad rendering rules for tah. Can anyone confirm one of these? http://tah.openstreetmap.org/Browse/?layer=tilez=12x=3492y=1586 Peter ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] residential and unclassified in Australia WAS definition of the main highway-tag

2009-08-06 Thread Lester Caine
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: The argument about 'is way x better than way y' where one is residential and one is unclassified is the mistake being made, and I would still like some one the provide a situation where unclassified would be used in an urban area which is by default

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] highway=unclassified currently is too ambiguous, so here's my proposal to fix it.

2009-08-06 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 6/8/09, Shaun McDonald sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.uk wrote: That is a lack of data problem, there is nothing that you can do about it other than go out and do some mapping! I penned this email about a week ago. I was watching the State of the Map Canadian talk and they point out how

Re: [OSM-talk] Modifying variable in wiki

2009-08-06 Thread Konrad Skeri
How do I modify a variable in a template on the wiki. In the Swedish version of the place-template there's a link to a weather site with forecasts for the city. Works for all Swedish cities as long as there is no space in the area name. However, for Vastra Gotaland the url of the area part

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] restriction=school_zone (second email)

2009-08-06 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/6 Liz ed...@billiau.net: On Thu, 6 Aug 2009, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: this doesn't look very familiar to me. Do you know the following? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Conditions_for_access_ tags

Re: [OSM-talk] Spam on TAH-Map

2009-08-06 Thread Maarten Deen
Peter Körner wrote: Hi This looks a little like spam to me or at least like bad rendering rules for tah. Can anyone confirm one of these? http://tah.openstreetmap.org/Browse/?layer=tilez=12x=3492y=1586 It looks to me like a lot of place=town nodes have been added that might very well be

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] highway=unclassified currently is too ambiguous, so here's my proposal to fix it.

2009-08-06 Thread Richard Mann
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Shaun McDonald sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.ukwrote: The abutters tag is dwindling in use as landuse polygons should be used instead as the new way of doing things. Agree, but you wouldn't test against a landuse polygon anyway, you'd test against an urban area

Re: [OSM-talk] Spam on TAH-Map

2009-08-06 Thread Peter Körner
Peter Körner schrieb: Hi This looks a little like spam to me or at least like bad rendering rules for tah. Can anyone confirm one of these? http://tah.openstreetmap.org/Browse/?layer=tilez=12x=3492y=1586 Peter Addendum: This seems to be bad imports by user cyana:

Re: [OSM-talk] Spam on TAH-Map

2009-08-06 Thread Peter Körner
Maarten Deen schrieb: Peter Körner wrote: Hi This looks a little like spam to me or at least like bad rendering rules for tah. Can anyone confirm one of these? http://tah.openstreetmap.org/Browse/?layer=tilez=12x=3492y=1586 It looks to me like a lot of place=town nodes have been added

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] highway=unclassified currently is too ambiguous, so here's my proposal to fix it.

2009-08-06 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 6/8/09, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Rural is lower than residential doesn't arise, because by definition residential means a built-up area, so it ain't rural. Exactly. I would humbly suggest highway=minor is a better tag because Someone already did and it

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] highway=unclassified currently is too ambiguous, so here's my proposal to fix it.

2009-08-06 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/6 Liz ed...@billiau.net: On Thu, 6 Aug 2009, John Smith wrote: And suddenly changing the meaning of a widely used tag is a really, really bad idea. Well I was right, it is too ambiguous :) and then we find out that whatever track translates to in German is not the same as what

Re: [OSM-talk] residential and unclassified in Australia WAS definition of the main highway-tag

2009-08-06 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/6 Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk: If there are countries where the road classification system identifies tertiary roads distinctly then fair enough, but most of the residential and service roads in the UK are probably tertiary rather than unclassified, which puts them above

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] highway=unclassified currently is too ambiguous, so here's my proposal to fix it.

2009-08-06 Thread Richard Mann
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.comwrote: actually track implies even within Germany different things (legally, due to the federal organisation), as in Baden-Württemberg it is generally forbidden to use them even without special signs, where in the rest

Re: [OSM-talk] Redefine the highway-key from scratch

2009-08-06 Thread Michael Kugelmann
Konrad Skeri wrote: we should redefine the syntax of the highway-tag from scratch. I don't think this is not at all a good idea. This affects on of the basics of mapping OSM and is considered as having an larger impact than inventing a new API. Maybe we should just add more/additional

Re: [OSM-talk] landuse for hotels

2009-08-06 Thread Joseph Scanlan
On Thu, 6 Aug 2009, Lester Caine wrote: Currently there SHOULD be a landuse/natural tag for each area on a map as using amenity= creates another level of complexity. One may still has to decide what to use for landuse if the tag itself is missing. I still think 'landuse=natural' with a sub

[OSM-talk] Status of the Local Chapter working group

2009-08-06 Thread Michael Kugelmann
Hello, looking at the foundation web site and the wiki, there is very few information on the local chapter working group - only a draft of the federation agreement is linked withought an information on the version or date it was created! Additionally there are no meeting minutes available at

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] highway=unclassified currently is too ambiguous, so here's my proposal to fix it.

2009-08-06 Thread Richard Mann
As indicated, I've had a go at a rewrite of the unclassified page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dunclassified Comments in the usual place (or have your own go at hacking it) Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] landuse for hotels

2009-08-06 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/6 Joseph Scanlan n7...@arrl.net: I suppose if a hotel is surrounded by commercial landuse then there's no point making a little retail island to hold it. +1 Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] residential and unclassified in Australia WAS definition of the main highway-tag

2009-08-06 Thread Lester Caine
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2009/8/6 Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk: If there are countries where the road classification system identifies tertiary roads distinctly then fair enough, but most of the residential and service roads in the UK are probably tertiary rather than unclassified, which

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] highway=unclassified currently is too ambiguous, so here's my proposal to fix it.

2009-08-06 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/6 Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com: As indicated, I've had a go at a rewrite of the unclassified page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dunclassified Comments in the usual place (or have your own go at hacking it) actually there are 3 things in the

Re: [OSM-talk] residential and unclassified in Australia WAS definition of the main highway-tag

2009-08-06 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/6 Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk: Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2009/8/6 Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk: If there are countries where the road classification system identifies tertiary roads distinctly then fair enough, but most of the residential and service roads in the UK are

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Residential home

2009-08-06 Thread Mike Harris
Hi Greg Thanks for useful input - agree that US 'assisted living' = UK 'sheltered accommodation'. Medical care (or at least nursing care) is indeed the key difference. Although a Brit I have lived twice in the USA (as well as briefly in Germany) so am reasonably au fait with the THREE ((;)

Re: [OSM-talk] Modifying variable in wiki

2009-08-06 Thread Lars Aronsson
Konrad Skeri wrote: How do I modify a variable in a template on the wiki. In the Swedish version of the place-template there's a link to a weather site with forecasts for the city. Works for all Swedish cities as long as there is no space in the area name. However, for Vastra Gotaland the

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Residential home

2009-08-06 Thread Adam Schreiber
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Mike Harrismik...@googlemail.com wrote: Thanks for useful input - agree that US 'assisted living' = UK 'sheltered accommodation'. Medical care (or at least nursing care) is indeed the key difference. Although a Brit I have lived twice in the USA (as well as

Re: [OSM-talk] Finding what country something is in (new website)

2009-08-06 Thread Roland Olbricht
There is still something wrong here : http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/WhatCountry//?lat=51.894lon=9.1909 Thank you for submitting the bug. Unfortunately, it revealed a larger fault. However, I've added a temporary patch such that the area should work in about 3 hours (22h00 UTC). Cheers,

Re: [OSM-talk] Spam on TAH-Map

2009-08-06 Thread andrzej zaborowski
2009/8/6 Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.de: Maarten Deen schrieb: Peter Körner wrote: Hi This looks a little like spam to me or at least like bad rendering rules for tah. Can anyone confirm one of these? http://tah.openstreetmap.org/Browse/?layer=tilez=12x=3492y=1586 It looks to me

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] restriction=school_zone (second email)

2009-08-06 Thread Roy Wallace
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 11:20 PM, Martin Koppenhoeferdieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/8/6 Liz ed...@billiau.net: On Thu, 6 Aug 2009, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: there could be maxspeed[08:30-09:30]=40 maxspeed[14:30-15:30]=40 maxspeed[08:30-09:30]:reason=school_zone

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] highway=unclassified currently is too ambiguous, so here's my proposal to fix it.

2009-08-06 Thread Roy Wallace
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 1:37 AM, Richard Mannrichard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com wrote: As indicated, I've had a go at a rewrite of the unclassified page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dunclassified Comments in the usual place (or have your own go at hacking it) I've

Re: [OSM-talk] Spam on TAH-Map

2009-08-06 Thread Peter Körner
andrzej zaborowski schrieb: 2009/8/6 Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.de: Maarten Deen schrieb: Peter Körner wrote: Hi This looks a little like spam to me or at least like bad rendering rules for tah. Can anyone confirm one of these?

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] restriction=school_zone (second email)

2009-08-06 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 6/8/09, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: maxspeed[school_days][08:30-09:30]=40 Except that is putting values on the key side of things. To do things properly you would need something like this. maxspeed:school_zone=40 maxspeed:school_zone:on=08:30-09:30;14:30-15:30

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] restriction=school_zone (second email)

2009-08-06 Thread Roy Wallace
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:55 PM, John Smithdelta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: --- On Thu, 6/8/09, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: maxspeed[school_days][08:30-09:30]=40 Except that is putting values on the key side of things. To do things properly you would need something like this.

[OSM-talk] Copyright of Logo?

2009-08-06 Thread k...@vielevisels
Hi, is there a copyright on the osm logo? I just want to make a logo for openmtbmap and the idea is modifying the osm logo to show the osm-affiliation. Kai___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] restriction=school_zone (second email)

2009-08-06 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 6/8/09, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: Without that requirement, it's a one-liner: maxspeed[Tu,Th][12:00-24:00] = 50 You've gone from school zones to general restrictions. School zones as signed in Australia are predicable to some extent, they are always mon-fri and

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] restriction=school_zone (second email)

2009-08-06 Thread Roy Wallace
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 2:42 PM, John Smithdelta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: --- On Thu, 6/8/09, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: Without that requirement, it's a one-liner: maxspeed[Tu,Th][12:00-24:00] = 50 You've gone from school zones to general restrictions. That's right. Sorry if

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] restriction=school_zone (second email)

2009-08-06 Thread John Smith
--- On Fri, 7/8/09, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: Hmm ok, fair enough, you've convinced me - although you'd probably want to use maxspeed:time_limited to indicate that the value is not a time, but a full description of a time-limited restriction. It's a limit so stating limited

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] een amsterdam zonder keep right issues - bijna dan

2009-08-06 Thread Lambert Carsten
On Wednesday 05 August 2009 21:43:57 Rejo Zenger wrote: ++ 05/08/09 20:21 +0200 - Rejo Zenger: Die 25 issues wil ik ook wegwerken, door het op te lossen of als false positive te markeren. Voor een deel wacht dat op onsite survey, andere dingen weet ik niet hoe ik het moet oplossen. [...]

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] een amsterdam zonder keep right issues - bijna dan

2009-08-06 Thread Lambert Carsten
On Thursday 06 August 2009 10:36:34 Lambert Carsten wrote: Ik snap waarom Keep Right hier een melding van maakt. Mijn vraag heeft wederom niet zoveel met dat issue te maken: hoe hoor dat perron getekend te zijn? En die trap omhoog. Mij lijkt het dat die trap er wel hoort, maar die way

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] een amsterdam zonder keep right issues - bijna dan

2009-08-06 Thread Rejo Zenger
++ 06/08/09 10:36 +0200 - Lambert Carsten: Overigens voeg ik zelf alleen trappen toe daar waar die echt een nieuwe verbinding vormen, bijvoorbeeld een trap die een brug/viaduct die de weg eronder direct bereikbaar maakt voor voetgangers. In bovenstaande geval was er al een verbinding. Ook

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] een amsterdam zonder keep right issu es - bijna dan

2009-08-06 Thread Lambert Carsten
On Thursday 06 August 2009 11:18:00 Rejo Zenger wrote: ++ 06/08/09 10:36 +0200 - Lambert Carsten: Overigens voeg ik zelf alleen trappen toe daar waar die echt een nieuwe verbinding vormen, bijvoorbeeld een trap die een brug/viaduct die de weg eronder direct bereikbaar maakt voor voetgangers.

Re: [talk-au] posters/banners

2009-08-06 Thread b . schulz . 10
Well, what information do you want it to get across? Do we want OSM Australia to become some form of semi-official name for OSM activities/groups in Australia? Or do we just want a sign which says There's an OpenStreetMap mapping party meeting here, this is what you look for to find us in which

Re: [talk-au] posters/banners

2009-08-06 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 6/8/09, b.schulz...@scu.edu.au b.schulz...@scu.edu.au wrote: Well, what information do you want it to get across? Don't want look like a dork waiting for everyone to turn up :) Do we want OSM Australia to become some form of semi-official name for OSM activities/groups in

Re: [talk-au] Railtrails

2009-08-06 Thread Evan Sebire
I'm just still not sure if we should categorise paths so they display correctly with the current limitations of a rendering algorithm. When reading the main wiki (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features#Cycleway ) I understand the definition of cycleway to mean bicycle only paths or

Re: [talk-au] Railtrails

2009-08-06 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 6/8/09, Evan Sebire e...@sebire.org wrote: I'm just still not sure if we should categorise paths so they display correctly with the current limitations of a rendering algorithm. What limitation? :) We're currently in the process of defining how things render how we choose, we

Re: [talk-au] Australian Rendering

2009-08-06 Thread John Smith
--- On Wed, 5/8/09, b.schulz...@scu.edu.au b.schulz...@scu.edu.au wrote: I can't find the email with the Wiki link For the record... http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Aussie_Mapnik_Style_Changes Also I've been trying to stick the category tags on the Aussie specific pages.

Re: [talk-au] Railtrails

2009-08-06 Thread Evan Sebire
On Thursday 06 Aug 2009 09:21:59 John Smith wrote: --- On Thu, 6/8/09, Evan Sebire e...@sebire.org wrote: I'm just still not sure if we should categorise paths so they display correctly with the current limitations of a rendering algorithm. What limitation? :) We're currently in the

Re: [talk-au] Railtrails

2009-08-06 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 6/8/09, Evan Sebire e...@sebire.org wrote: A complicated solution would be to have user options similar to non-web applications.  Tick-box to emphasise paths that have bicycle = yes tag. The current cycle map is good but tick-boxes for other properties such as fuel, bbq,

Re: [talk-au] Railtrails

2009-08-06 Thread Evan Sebire
On Thursday 06 Aug 2009 10:13:47 John Smith wrote: --- On Thu, 6/8/09, Evan Sebire e...@sebire.org wrote: A complicated solution would be to have user options similar to non-web applications. Tick-box to emphasise paths that have bicycle = yes tag. The current cycle map is good but

Re: [talk-au] Railtrails

2009-08-06 Thread Ross Scanlon
On Thu, 6 Aug 2009 10:30:02 +0200 Evan Sebire e...@sebire.org wrote: Maybe slightly off-topic but does the current rendering engine obey the width parameter? I wanted to fix up a river that is in some parts 10m wide and others 100m. Would setting the width be the correct way to make it

Re: [talk-au] Australian Rendering

2009-08-06 Thread Liz
On Thu, 6 Aug 2009, John Smith wrote: highway=ford doesn't render I've come across this before, I just made the ford the node that crosses, not the way. I've got one which renders on JOSM, as a node it's like a little car in the water ___

Re: [talk-au] Railtrails

2009-08-06 Thread Liz
On Thu, 6 Aug 2009, Evan Sebire wrote: A complicated solution would be to have user options similar to non-web applications. Tick-box to emphasise paths that have bicycle = yes tag. The current cycle map is good but tick-boxes for other properties such as fuel, bbq, motel etc. The rendering

Re: [talk-au] Australian Rendering

2009-08-06 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Thu, 6 Aug 2009, John Smith wrote: I've got one which renders on JOSM, as a node it's like a little car in the water Would that mean the same thing to you if you've never used JOSM? well it is of course wrong to assume there would be water. I was just thinking that the graphic could be

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