Re: [OSM-talk] YOURS now supports route using only cycleroutes -Update

2008-09-30 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Ed Loach wrote: > Or perhaps someone should write a OneWayBot to change all > oneway=true tags to oneway=yes? And perhaps all the -1s could be yes > as well -1 isn't the same as "yes". -1 means "one way in the opposite direction from the way". It's largely a hangover from the days of segments

Re: [OSM-talk] YOURS now supports route using only cycleroutes -Update

2008-09-30 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Dave Stubbs wrote: > with 1 hit each for "0", "south", "?", "west", "+1", "Yes", and BAN > POTLATCH!!1!3: "-1; 1", "true; yes" Apparently these days people actually cause tag conflicts just to see the cute little floating alert and hear the "beep" sound. cheers Richard __

Re: [OSM-talk] Code of conduct for automated (mass-) edits

2008-09-30 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Hendrik T. Voelker wrote: > Granted, that might limit the development to Java programmers but hey, if you > know one iterative language, you can easily learn another. I can't be the only person on this list spluttering in disbelief at this. Absolutely no way. At all. Hey, I don't even know wha

Re: [OSM-talk] map display www.openstreetmap.org

2008-10-01 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Frederik Ramm wrote: > You can also use www.informationfreeway.org which gives you the mouse > pointer lat/lon in the bottom right corner. Or (magic keypress alert) you can click 'Edit' to open Potlatch, move your pointer to the right place, and press L. cheers Richard __

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Cloudmade

2008-10-03 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Adrian wrote: > Hopefully someone here can explain this for me. I'll try! > The legal FAQ says that derived data products (that are distributed) > must be made available under the terms of the licence - I interpret > that > to mean for free, am I badly wrong? You are. The licence, like all op

[OSM-talk] Zoom level 12 on Potlatch

2008-10-07 Thread Richard Fairhurst
I'm thinking of disabling zoom level 12 in Potlatch, to reduce load on the server. It's probably too far zoomed out to be able to do any useful editing anyway. Low-res (Landsat) Yahoo kicks in at level 13 so you'd still be able to access this. Would anyone's editing be inconvenienced by thi

[OSM-legal-talk] Derived work fun

2008-10-09 Thread Richard Fairhurst
http://www.edparsons.com/2008/10/who-map-is-it-anyway/ cheers Richard ___ legal-talk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk

Re: [OSM-talk] ping OpenAerialMap

2008-10-09 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Martijn van Exel wrote: > Christiano -- Thanks for that. My guess would be that using the WMS in > an OAM-external environment would actually violate the recommendation > to use the i-cubed dataset only within OAM. My take on it would be > that, as long as there's still uncertainty as to licensing

Re: [OSM-talk] map display www.openstreetmap.org

2008-10-11 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Matthias Julius wrote: > I could imagine that a significant sub-set of users are interested in > this, especially of those users that care about OSM right now. > > Why not do something different that OS, Google and Co.? Absolutely - do something different. But make the most of the freedom - do

Re: [OSM-talk] When does Potlatch upload?

2008-10-11 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Ben Laenen wrote: > just a little question about recent Potlatch versions: I've noticed > that > from time to time changes are uploaded while objects are still > selected. I remember that it used to be that it only uploaded changes > on deselecting. If it's changed, that's a bug, steps to repro

Re: [OSM-talk] When does Potlatch upload?

2008-10-12 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Ben Laenen wrote: > Well, it only starts happening when I've done quite a lot of > mapping, so > pinpointing the exact trigger for it is difficult... I can only tell > that it happens regularly after mapping for a while. Got it, I think; will be fixed in 0.11e (trac #1256). cheers Richard ___

Re: [OSM-talk] More vandalism

2008-10-13 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Nic Roets wrote: > Or change potlatch so that it will not delete or modify objects last > edited by other users. Then it would at least be easy to delete > anything they did. Tell you what, let's completely ban all editors - that'll eliminate the risk of vandalism. Richard ___

Re: [OSM-talk] More vandalism

2008-10-13 Thread Richard Fairhurst
vegard wrote: > Like it or not, potlach *is* the source of quite a bit of accidental > vandalism. It's easy to use for beginners, but they will *not* > understand the implications of what they are doing. The sanbox > helped a > lot, but obviously not enough. > > I believe you need some sort of o

Re: [OSM-talk] More vandalism

2008-10-13 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Nic Roets wrote: > Ban the talk-list, so that we stop tagging the bikeshed and start > contributing. Superb idea. I was actually doing some stuff on Potlatch 1.0 before this bloody thread distracted me. :( Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openst

[OSM-talk] Gnash works with Potlatch

2008-10-14 Thread Richard Fairhurst
If you use a Linux system and would prefer not to use the Adobe Flash Player, you can now use Gnash - the GPL-licensed SWF player - to run Potlatch. http://freshmeat.net/projects/gnash/?branch_id=64471&release_id=286570 Full credit to the Gnash devs who have done an outstanding job here. che

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licence brief/Use Case - final call forcomments

2008-10-15 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Peter Miller wrote: > Tim Waters (chippy) wrote: > >> For example, I'm not sure but I think that "Publishing a simple map >> in a book, newsletter" would require a not-so-simple requirement to >> make the data they used available, somehow... > > I agree. Would you like to propose the wording? (an

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-newbies] GPS Trace ownership

2008-10-15 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Moved from newbies@ to talk@, followups to [EMAIL PROTECTED] James Ewen wrote: > In this part of the world, the best > way I have found to collect road data is to drive the road, convert > the track to locked ways, cut the track into small segments that > Potlatch will convert, tie them all back

Re: [OSM-talk] Gnash works with Potlatch

2008-10-15 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: > I just tried to compile 0.8.4 and found it to be completely unusable > for potlatch, the cursor seemed to update once every few seconds > making it hard to select anything, I was unable to edit keys and the > potlatch user interface had all the wrong dimensions or

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM Data

2008-10-15 Thread Richard Fairhurst
spaetz wrote: > check the wiki, there are a few people that have the "I release my > data as PD template on their user pages". I would expect the biggest > problem is that existing data is likely to be "tainted" by the OSM > license if anybody not on that list ever modified it significantly

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licence brief/Use Case - final call forcomments

2008-10-15 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Peter Miller wrote: > I am basing my response of the Brief, not the current draft of ODBL (they > are not that different except in the definition of a Derivative DB), however > it would be my understanding that if you combined the OSM DB (unaltered) > with another data-source (the PD one you refer

Re: [OSM-talk] Recommendations for a new GPS Device?

2008-10-16 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Andrew Williams wrote: > I've been using my old N95 for a while now to get my GPS traces, but > unfortunatly it's decided to finally give up. So, i'm in the market > for a new GPS device. I'd preferebly like a standalone device Someone is bound to say "eTrex Legend HCx" so let me be the first. c

Re: [OSM-talk] POI by coordinates

2008-10-16 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Ryszard Mikke wrote: > Ummm... Why is that so? Does that mean that I can't use WikiMapia > for it as well? Cause that is what I've actually done... When you click Edit, and it says "1. Don't copy from other maps", it really means it. It's not just there for decorative effect. cheers Richard

Re: [OSM-talk] POI by coordinates

2008-10-16 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Gustav Foseid wrote: > Is really placing a POI based on knowledge gained from other maps, anywhere > near "copying"? Entering "knowledge gained from other maps" is copying, yes. Of course, one can, and ideally one should, take a liberal view and say that expansionist views of copyright are ins

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licence brief/Use Case - final call forcomments

2008-10-16 Thread Richard Fairhurst
MJ Ray wrote: > I won't because I don't want yet another bloody website password. I'm > already scared of the amount of stuff I'll lose if my browser > password store goes titsup. Isn't there an OpenID MediaWiki plugin? cf http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/OSM_AuthPlugin , in progress ch

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Paid services from OSM

2008-10-16 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Jonathan Harley wrote: > Frederik Ramm wrote: >> Richard Fairhurst wrote: >>> It only says "you must also _offer_ to recipients" (my emphasis), not >>> "you must provide in case anyone wants it" - it's like the GPL in >>> tha

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] POI by coordinates

2008-10-16 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Gustav Foseid wrote: > One should certainly not add information to OSM that is copyrighted, > protected by database rights or otherwise protected. There is a difference > between being careful and paranoid, however. Yes. We're paranoid. Always have been, it's one of the things that defines OSM.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Contact Info For Tom Hughes Regarding Public Domain Mailing List

2008-10-22 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Liz wrote: > I don't want PD for my data because then I can see the company like > Garmin > freely using it to update their maps and still charging me for my > data. But this is what I never get when people wheel out the old canard of "the tragedy of the commons". These days, the commons is

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PD vs SA: The eternal battle

2008-10-22 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Rob Myers wrote: > I had assumed it was a kind of stew. ;-) Many a true word... cheers Richard ___ legal-talk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PD vs SA: The eternal battle

2008-10-22 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Rob Myers wrote: > I am not going to argue against the power of community, but Apple and > bus companies and J. Random Enclosurer are not in the "community" as > socially rather than legally constituted. See, this is what I dislike - correction, this is one of several things I dislike - about s

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Contact Info For Tom Hughes Regarding Public Domain Mailing List

2008-10-22 Thread Richard Fairhurst
bvh wrote: > If garmin closes their devices for non-garmin signed datasets (ala > TomTom) then you could very well end up paying for the privilege to use > your own data. Sure, but that's an utterly different issue - that's an issue about whether or not Garmin allows third-party maps to be inst

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PD vs SA: The eternal battle

2008-10-22 Thread Richard Fairhurst
bvh wrote: > Good luck steaming up community pressure for Apple opening up on stuff > that they have taken from the PD. It is not going to happen. http://www.opensource.apple.com/darwinsource/10.5.5/ HTH :) cheers Richard ___ legal-talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PD vs SA: The eternal battle

2008-10-22 Thread Richard Fairhurst
bvh wrote: > Note that there is no pd-violations.org /me blinks in astonishment /me decides there really is nothing more he can bring to this party Gustav was right. Let's talk OSM. cheers Richard ___ legal-talk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:/

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PD vs SA: The eternal battle

2008-10-22 Thread Richard Fairhurst
bvh wrote: > My ideal license would force them to divulge their private GIS data > on signal strength Oh right. I just want to make a map. cheers Richard ___ legal-talk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-ta

Re: [OSM-talk] Contraflow bus lane

2008-10-23 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: > I also have one in the centre of Sutton Coldfield. Think when I > mapped it > (ages and ages ago) I made it two separate ways which obviously > isn't right. > So interested to hear what people think. +1. There's one in Worcester. Except it's labelled

Re: [OSM-talk] SEO

2008-10-30 Thread Richard Fairhurst
SteveC wrote: > CloudMade have some people experienced in Search Engine Optimisation > and we'd like to offer their time to look at making OSM push higher up > search results. Basically we think it would be nice that if you search > for 'free maps' and things like that then OSM comes up to the top

Re: [OSM-talk] I've added some amenity values to "Map Features" based on tag usage

2008-10-31 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Mark Williams wrote: > The apostrophe is not correct anyway. It denotes a missed letter, in > this word-position it would be 'doctor is', as opposed to the > non-apostrophe version meaning 'belong to the the doctor' or plural > doctors. Heehee, don't get me started. "doctor's" is the appropria

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Understanding the new license - room for negotiation?

2008-10-31 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Sunburned Surveyor wrote: > Does the new license ever require my company to release the land use > polygon data in the above scenario? No. > In essence my company would be "dual licensing" the road centerline > data. Indeed. Lots of us already dual-license our contributions to OSM: http://wiki

[OSM-talk] Spam spam spam spam

2008-11-02 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Our lovely little mapping hobby is now so uber-successful that the spammers have noticed it. A few more keep creeping through the net. What should a spam-spotter do on noticing some spam? I've pasted a few I've spotted here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Spam but am unsure what to do

Re: [OSM-talk] Spam spam spam spam

2008-11-02 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Tom Hughes wrote: > A wiki admin can delete it properly, and block the account. Hokay. I guess what I'm trying to ask is whether there's a procedure (e.g. flagging spam on a wiki page, or category, which several people can follow) which might reduce the inevitably OSM tendency for "the way

Re: [OSM-talk] A super quick poll

2008-11-03 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Phooee, all these lists to choose from. Probably most sensible on legal-talk, I think (so followups to there). Erik Johansson wrote: > On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 10:35 AM, maning sambale > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You didn't read the whole sentence: >>> ways that are contributed PD only, Of c

Re: [OSM-talk] data plucked from who-knows-where?

2008-11-03 Thread Richard Fairhurst
80n wrote: > Since street names are one of the harder bits of information to collect, > what this user has done here looks like a very worthwhile contribution to > the project. > > Perhaps we should even be encouraging users without GPS units to create this > kind of topological map. It looks rea

Re: [OSM-talk] Map of last resort

2008-11-05 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Steve Chilton wrote: > Amongst all the US Election mapping frenzy there was a good callout for > OSM on Ogle Earth yesterday entitled:- OSM: your map of last resort > http://www.ogleearth.com/index.html via which I notice this: http://googlemapsmania.blogspot.com/2008/11/wikimapia-beta-realtime-

Re: [OSM-talk] UK Industrial Estate Roads

2008-11-07 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Tom Chance wrote: > This is what I always do, with one distinction: if it is a signposted road > going into the estate, then I use highway=unclassified; if it is a service > road running through the estate I use highway=service. I like that as a general principle - the concept of "routeyness", if

Re: [OSM-talk] barrier=gate

2008-11-09 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Nic Roets wrote: > Can we agree that a barrier=gate node implies that no traffic is > allowed through unless it's enabled with tags like access=yes and > foot=yes ? Isn't the point of a gate that you can open it? i.e. traffic is allowed through, but for routing purposes there's a time pena

Re: [OSM-talk] barrier=gate

2008-11-09 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Ed Loach wrote: > I wouldn't have said so. The point of tagging is a gate is to show > there is a gate across a way. Examples I've seen so far include a > gate beyond which is a service road for a supermarket (so > permissions for the service road are down to who the keyholder is, > gates across f

Re: [OSM-talk] barrier=gate

2008-11-10 Thread Richard Fairhurst
elvin ibbotson wrote: > I once tried tagging a local river as a railway line. Nothing > prevented me doing this. In the database it was (until I went back in > and fixed it) a river AND > a railway! That's not too outlandish. No railways here, but lots of roads: http://www.wetroads.co.uk/long.ht

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is ....

2008-11-11 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Steve Chilton wrote: > "OSM is a multifunctional cytokine produced by activated T lymphocytes > and monocytes and shares properties with all the members of this > family > of proteins. OSM is structurally and functionally very similar to > LIF." We read the Observer on Sundays. Every month it

Re: [OSM-talk] Unification of OpenStreetBugs an Trac

2008-11-27 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Mikel wrote: > I'd suggest bypassing Trac and looking into RedMine > http://www.redmine.org/ I'm not sure why the need to reuse existing software at all. Bugtracking is the sort of thing you expect to find in 'Rails For Dummies' as My First Rails App - if you’ve got a decent framework it’s pretty

Re: [OSM-talk] Edit war on the wiki "map features"

2008-12-01 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Per-15 wrote: > If you don't like smoothness invent a better scheme! > Smoothness is better than nothing. That's debatable (as well as, er, very_horrible). Personally I believe the easiest and most flexible thing is just to extend the access tags: bicycle=no|yes|difficult|unsuitable so you'd g

Re: [OSM-talk] Unification of OpenStreetBugs an Trac

2008-12-01 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Gervase Markham wrote: > Richard Fairhurst wrote: >> I'm not sure why the need to reuse existing software at all. Bugtracking >> is >> the sort of thing you expect to find in 'Rails For Dummies' as My First >> Rails App - if you’ve got a decent framew

Re: [OSM-talk] Edit war on the wiki "map features"

2008-12-01 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Bernhard Zwischenbrugger wrote: > In Vienna we have an event called "Friday Night Skating". > Every week about 1000 Inline Skater meet at 10pm and skate on normal > roads. > The police blocks all the roads an it is possible to skate on roads that > are for normal for cars only. You can't design/

Re: [OSM-talk] Edit war on the wiki "map features"

2008-12-01 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Robert Vollmert wrote: > The obvious problem with this is the massive redundancy. You need to tag > for every possible form of transport, or infer suitability for something > exotic from the provided suitabilities. Yes, infer, like we do with every other tag. People realised they didn't need to t

Re: [OSM-talk] Map Features

2008-12-03 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Richard Bullock wrote: > Perhaps Map Features should be for the main core tags only (for newbies > mainly - the basics of how to get their road/feature displayed). Perhaps > we > should limit it to the things we consider important enough to render on > the > main renderers - and we can have oth

Re: [OSM-talk] Unification of OpenStreetBugs an Trac

2008-12-03 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Gervase Markham wrote: > Inventing your own stuff makes perfect sense in the area of your > core competency. Agreed absolutely. > [...] > I agree that where the bug tracker starts being used for mapping- > related things, then the boundaries start to blur. But I'd still suggest > that the only

Re: [OSM-talk] Edit war on the wiki "map features"

2008-12-03 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Gervase Markham wrote: > Richard Fairhurst wrote: >> bicycle=no|yes|difficult|unsuitable > >The trouble with that sort of thing, as compared to (ignore the actual >tag names, they are just to give an idea): > >bicycle=yes >bicycle:surface=poor > >(i.e. splitting

Re: [OSM-talk] Edit war on the wiki "map features"

2008-12-05 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Gervase Markham wrote: > Richard Fairhurst wrote: > > if access==no or access==false then allowed=no else allowed=yes > > So basically, you have to decide that all unknown values default > to either one or the other. > > If I'm a renderer, and I come across bicycle=

Re: [OSM-talk] Data oddness

2008-12-08 Thread Richard Fairhurst
D Tucny wrote: > The lack of history of a previous version would suggest that either > there was no previous version and the way was created with existing > nodes, or that potlatch removed the previous way and replaced > it with a new way which due to some communication issue then > potentiall

Re: [OSM-talk] addressing

2008-12-09 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Dave Stubbs wrote: > I like the clean relation data model, but find the addr:street > thing much easier at the moment. > Maybe I'll add an addressing button (sorry, I meant obscure > keypress :-P) to Potlatch sometime then there'll be no excuses left. When this accursed API 0.6 is out of the wa

Re: [OSM-talk] My slippy map - call for testing

2008-12-09 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Bernhard Zwischenbrugger wrote: > Just an other slippy map: > http://lamp2.fhstp.ac.at/~lbz/beispiele/ws2008/oomap4/index.php > > Maybe you like the zoom. The thing I _really_ like is that it doesn't aggressively preload five thousand miles round the edge every time, unlike OpenLayers (or, more

Re: [OSM-talk] addressing

2008-12-09 Thread Richard Fairhurst
SteveC wrote: > needs a simple "how to do addressing in potlatch" video a-la > the old ones I did, as if you ignore relations it is essentially trivial I'll be committing some new presets next week with all the fields ready and waiting. cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://w

Re: [OSM-talk] Deleted way belonging to relations

2008-12-11 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Shaun McDonald wrote: > It is a limitation of the 0.5 API. > This problem is highly less likely to happen with 0.6 API, with > the introduction of node/way/relation versioning and transactions. Though it doesn't really need 0.6 to work, it just needs this bug fixing (Dave, I think this is your

Re: [OSM-talk] osm2go as yet another desktop tool?

2008-12-16 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Till Harbaum wrote: > The big show stopper with potlatch was that everything > is stored in the database immediately, so you are always > afraid to damage things. Of course, patches are always welcome. :) The sole reason Potlatch doesn't have such an (optional) feature right now is that I haven

Re: [OSM-talk] Disable Potlatch finally.

2008-12-16 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Andy, Frederik and Maning have really said all I could ever say. Except that: If you really wanted to help - even if you can't or won't code - you would have submitted some trac tickets with suggestions, as many other people have done. You would have attempted to understand before condemning. Gr

Re: [OSM-talk] Disable Potlatch finally.

2008-12-16 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Steven Le Roux wrote: > Why not prefering to consider other solutions ? Why not downloading > josm as a java web start app and give in the link the bbox from the > browser ? http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2008-December/001204.html is why. Magically giving JOSM to newbies does

Re: [OSM-talk] osm2go as yet another desktop tool?

2008-12-16 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Ed Loach wrote: > It is IE7 fully patched, and I'm guessing (as it doesn't always > do it) that it is user error (me). It is probably that when I > switch from one tab to the wiki tab and back that the way > looks like it is still selected but in reality the flash bit > doesn't have focus. Ri

Re: [OSM-talk] Disable Potlatch finally.

2008-12-16 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Gert Gremmen quoted me saying: >> Andy, Frederik and Maning have really said all I could ever say. and then answered: > In other words: > If you do not code: shutup !! which is odd, because if you'd actually read my next sentence, you'd have seen (emphasis added) >> Except that: >> If you rea

Re: [OSM-talk] osm2go as yet another desktop tool?

2008-12-16 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Ed Loach wrote: > I find it annoying that sometimes I press Enter to stop > editing a way, only for it to decide that I've clicked a link to > take me elsewhere (user page, usually, I think) and I have > to go back and repeat the last few edits. Ugh, that's horrid. What browser are you using? Ot

Re: [OSM-talk] live editing and conflict management

2008-12-16 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Robert Vollmert wrote: > With API 0.6, we'll notice when this happens, right? Yeah, kind of - there'll be some form of conflict dialogue though with no way to resolve it as yet, short of reloading the area. I don't really think the API 0.6 people were thinking of Potlatch when they decided on th

Re: [OSM-talk] Disable Potlatch finally.

2008-12-16 Thread Richard Fairhurst
D Tucny wrote: > I think this would be an improvement, especially if you could view > a list of changes that would be uploaded prior to upload... Yep, see previous message about the only reason that not being an option is that I haven't worked out a UI for it. :) > One thing though that I don'

Re: [OSM-talk] osm2go as yet another desktop tool?

2008-12-16 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Ed Loach wrote: > I think Potlatch has the advantage that you can switch from > map view to edit mode easily for the area you are viewing, > but once you've done that I still need to have an extra tab > open for the wiki page to keyboard shortcuts Once people have stopped ing around with t

Re: [OSM-talk] Is OSM Mapper ready for 0.6? (was Re: Disable Potlatch finally)

2008-12-17 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: > Basically, you'll have to enter a brief description for every bunch > of edits (just as you have to do when you update a wikipedia page) > that you upload. Strictly "have the option of entering", not "have to enter". Comments are optional. cheers Richard -- View

Re: [OSM-talk] Is anyone making public transport routing maps basedon OpenStreetMap data?

2008-12-17 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Peter Miller wrote: > I think that would be an excellent idea, however don't assume transit > authorities will always give you the data because they often won't for > various reasons. One of the wonderful things about ODbL is the concept of a collective work as applied to separate databases.

Re: [OSM-talk] Is OSM Mapper ready for 0.6? (was Re: Disable Potlatch finally)

2008-12-17 Thread Richard Fairhurst
John McKerrell wrote: > Ah yes, you did mention that the other day. Surely it would only make > the noise when you tried to unload the page though which wouldn't be > so bad? Well, the way it works at the moment (in sane browsers) is that Potlatch sends a message via JS every time the dirty

Re: [OSM-talk] caching of landsat/yahoo images

2008-12-17 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Roman Neumüller wrote: > And: the same idea might apply for potlatch's flash/yahoo image data! > Wouldn't it be nice to have already downloaded images cached ?!? Potlatch just uses the Yahoo API, it doesn't really do any further fiddling[1] as that would be outwith the ToS and I prefer to tread

Re: [OSM-talk] Is OSM Mapper ready for 0.6? (was Re: Disable Potlatch finally)

2008-12-17 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: > IIRC, you could catch the "onunload" event of the browser window > via javascript and tell potlach. Yes, I know this should go to the > -dev mailing list (and that patches are welcome, etc). :) I posted about this the other day: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/piperm

Re: [OSM-talk] Is OSM Mapper ready for 0.6? (was Re: Disable Potlatch finally)

2008-12-17 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Iván Sánchez Ortega-3 wrote: > AFAIK, the 0.6 API requires a comment when opening a changeset (I might be > wrong on this You are. :) The wiki doc just says "advised". There is no explicit reference to "comment", or any other tag, within the changeset model or controller. If you think through h

Re: [OSM-talk] Is OSM Mapper ready for 0.6? (was Re: Disable Potlatch finally)

2008-12-17 Thread Richard Fairhurst
John McKerrell wrote: > Try using the 'beforeunload' event, think this might work in IE. (From memory, I haven't looked at this for a long while...) It's not so much the JS that's the problem, it's the AS->JS communication. Potlatch has to tell the JS whether or not there are unsaved changes.

Re: [OSM-talk] Is OSM Mapper ready for 0.6? (was Re: Disable Potlatch finally)

2008-12-17 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: > Well, everybody knows that Potlach NEEDS a save button so > it can ask the user for the comment. Heh. It does ask the user for the comment if you manually close the changeset. Of course, if Potlatch did have a save button, there's nothing to say that 'save' needs

Re: [OSM-talk] Is anyone making public transport routing maps basedon OpenStreetMap data?

2008-12-18 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Frederik Ramm wrote: > Soundy overly complex compared to just using pdftotext and then > parsing the resulting ASCII text, unless of course there's OCR > involved which would rule out this approach. Doesn't preserve the layout, in particular the columns, well enough. The UK rail timetable PDF i

Re: [OSM-talk] Invisible coastline errors in Potlatch

2008-12-31 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Shaun McDonald wrote: > http://openstreetmap.org/browse/way/22359503/history looks like it is > a 2 node way. Seems that there is a bug in Potlatch, causing it to not > show the coastline here. But the way contains the same node twice, thus is meaningless. That's not a bug in Potlatch, that's

Re: [OSM-talk] Maritme borders

2009-01-04 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Thomas Wood wrote: > In other news, I've converted the 12nm line around the UK and Ireland > to be fully tagged, so it's now showing in its own bubble on the > mapnik render. Ugh. Can we (ping steve8) get some way of tagging this differently so it _doesn't_ show? It looks really, really ugly. ch

Re: [OSM-talk] Invisible coastline errors in Potlatch

2009-01-05 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Roman Neumüller wrote: > I occasioanlly open hires areas in JOSM when stumbling over > them. Boy: what a whole bunch of errors one then starts to > fix...! All potlatch-related I suppose (sorry Rich ;-) I'd prefer (well, I would, wouldn't I) "all n00b-related". Blaming the editor is just neglect

Re: [OSM-talk] Invisible coastline errors in Potlatch

2009-01-06 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Peter Miller wrote: > Potlatch does sometime create duplicate ways for me when I > splits features. These duplicates are invisible using Potlatch > and the quantity of them varies from occasion to occasion. This is a server issue more than anything else: it happens in times of server slowness.

Re: [OSM-talk] Invisible coastline errors in Potlatch

2009-01-06 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Marc Schütz wrote: >> The solution is either to move splitting ways entirely to the server (so, >> although the user hits 'split', the way isn't actually split until the >> server returns a message), or to fix the server. I'd be interested to know >> _why_ the server runs so slowly at certain time

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch again

2009-01-11 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Gert Gremmen wrote: > POTLATCH NEEDS IMPROVEMENT Yeah, well spotted, genius. Where's your fucking patch? Meanwhile - oh look, what's that on my screen? Fuck me if it isn't the fucking Potlatch source. Maybe I'm improving the fucking thing. http://www.systemeD.net/osm/screenshot.png Maybe a fuc

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch again

2009-01-12 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Gert Gremmen wrote: > Thank you Thomas, > > The image you provided to prove your solution > was a complete surprise to me and may contribute to a > solution for this everlasting Potlatch Critic. > > You are right, and I am right. > > My screen looks entirely different, due to the missed option > (

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch / API inconsistency?

2009-01-12 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Ted Mielczarek wrote: > I went to look at an area I edited last week in the Mapnik > rendering, and noticed it looked wrong. I thought maybe my edits > hadn't been picked up somehow, so I looked at the data view on the > slippy map. It matched the rendering. So I thought maybe Potlatch > h

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Trust

2009-01-13 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Erik Johansson wrote: > PS. The current tools for change monitoring are actually only > for spotting edits not changes, i.e. you don't see the changes > people make only the new version they upload. Having a "see > changes" would be nice API 0.6 will enable the site to do a lot of this, if I'm

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch again

2009-01-13 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Phillip Barnett wrote: > I believe Richard did the rectification for Potlatch and claims it to be > better than JOSM's. True for NPE but not for Yahoo - Potlatch just uses the standard Yahoo Flash component, it doesn't do any extra fiddling around (well, other than a tiny tweak to get the copyrig

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM and Linked Data, and W3C, etc ...

2009-01-13 Thread Richard Fairhurst
brendan barrett wrote: > It never hurts getting others to review things. You don't need > to stop development on API 0.6 to do a review. We are IMO too far down the road with API 0.6 to review the _design_. It is, after all, mostly coded: you can check out the API 0.6 branch and use it with JOSM,

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch again

2009-01-14 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Michal Migurski wrote: > I'm hesitant to blow away the existing guide, but I wonder if it > can be moved behind a disambiguation page? Something that > lets you understand different levels of involvement: found a > mistake, need to add a street, have a spreadsheet of local > amenities, live in

Re: [OSM-talk] NPE maps broken?

2009-01-14 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Gervase Markham wrote: > Who runs the NPE maps server? Nick Black? Another Nick? nick.dev.openstreetmap.org is Nick Whitelegg, I think. For NPE, however, JOSM should ideally use the 900913 tiles at npe.openstreetmap.org, which are better rectified. Thomas, you were working on a way for JOSM to a

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch again

2009-01-15 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Andy Allan wrote: > Wait - who are you, and what have you done with RichardF? I'm Fake SteveC. At least that's what people keep telling me. cheers Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] caveat - potlatch overrides extern changes

2009-01-18 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Frederik Ramm wrote: > this will not be the case anymore with 0.6. It's even better than that. When Potlatch asks the server for ways in the current bounding box (which it does most times you pan or zoom), it'll ask for the version, too. If there are any ways that have been recently revised, it'l

Re: [OSM-talk] National french cadastre WMS opened to OSM

2009-01-20 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Steven Le Roux wrote: > Pieren will now largely diffuse his JOSM plugin for cadastre, and > the work will be easier and quicker. Is the source for this available anywhere? I'd like to see whether the cadastre rasters could work as a Potlatch background. (I suspect the projection would be the big

Re: [OSM-talk] Walking Routes - wiki needs some work?

2009-01-20 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Frankie Roberto wrote: > There also seems to be the Pennine Cycleway > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pennine_Cycleway), which I've > never seen signposted. It's Sustrans National Route 68, the whole of which (well, except for two alternative braids) is lovingly mapped on OSM, from Derby to Berwi

Re: [OSM-talk] National french cadastre WMS opened to OSM

2009-01-20 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Pieren wrote: > Richard, we will contact you later if we see that Potlatch could add > this as a WMS background. This would be really fantastic. Great - look forward to it. And congratulations on getting the agreement. cheers Richard ___ talk mailing

[OSM-talk] Anonymous editing

2009-01-20 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Yay for 0.6 going live in March. Can we take this opportunity to finally disable anonymous editing? Potlatch has required non-anonymous editing since November 2007 (http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2007-November/020068.html ) to the grand total of precisely 0 complaints. If nothing

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licensing Working Group report, 2009/01/22

2009-01-25 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Peter Miller wrote: > There is huge difference between the majority being ask one > by one to 'relicense or leave now', and one where we are > asked if we support it and then later being asked to accept > the majority verdict (which is very likely to be in favour > of re-licensing). On refle

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licensing Working Group report, 2009/01/22

2009-01-25 Thread Richard Fairhurst
andrzej zaborowski wrote: > AFAIK by having the actual data under the evolving license you > expose it to the sum of all the loopholes present in any > version of the license as it evolved. ...is true, but rather pales into insignificance against the fact that CC-BY-SA is almost certainly not v

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