Re: [Talk-us] While we're fixing things in iterations

Sep 23, 2020, 23:37 by stevea...@softworkers.com: > Paul Johnson wrote: > >> Can we finally fix two other longstanding problems, then? >> >> 1. The wiki being incorrect about not counting bicycle lanes. That's not >> reflective of how validators deal with lanes, how data consumers like

Re: [Talk-us] While we're fixing things in iterations

Sep 24, 2020, 01:00 by ba...@ursamundi.org: > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 5:56 PM Andy Townsend <> ajt1...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> >> >> >> On 23/09/2020 23:01, Paul Johnson wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 4:37PM stevea <>>> >>> stevea...@softworkers.com>>> >

Re: [Talk-us] While we're fixing things in iterations

On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 6:22 PM Andy Townsend wrote: > On 24/09/2020 00:00, Paul Johnson wrote: > > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 5:56 PM Andy Townsend wrote: > >> >> On 23/09/2020 23:01, Paul Johnson wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 4:37 PM stevea wrote: >> >>> Paul Johnson wrote:

[talk-ph] Invitation: HOT Working Groups 101 Webinar on September 25, 9:00 PM (PHT)

Kumusta OSM PH?, The HOT Community Working Group invites you to HOT Working Groups 101 Webinar on Friday, September 25, 09:00 PM (PHT). The webinar aims to orient voting and non-voting members of the HOT/OSM community about the different working groups (WGs) that they can join. >From community

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Changeset Comments Copyright

> What I meant by legal assessment is that I would like to know what OSMF's > layers > think of this. I would assume that the OSMF has some sort of legal > department, > like the people who have drafted some of the fundamental legal documents > (like > Terms of Service, Privacy Policy, Contributor

Re: [Talk-us] While we're fixing things in iterations

On 24/09/2020 00:00, Paul Johnson wrote: On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 5:56 PM Andy Townsend > wrote: On 23/09/2020 23:01, Paul Johnson wrote: On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 4:37 PM stevea mailto:stevea...@softworkers.com>> wrote: Paul Johnson

Re: [Talk-us] While we're fixing things in iterations

On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 5:56 PM Andy Townsend wrote: > > On 23/09/2020 23:01, Paul Johnson wrote: > > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 4:37 PM stevea wrote: > >> Paul Johnson wrote: >> > > 2. Tagging route information on ways. It's about a decade too long at >> this point for ref=* on a way to be

Re: [Talk-us] While we're fixing things in iterations

On 23/09/2020 23:01, Paul Johnson wrote: On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 4:37 PM stevea > wrote: Paul Johnson mailto:ba...@ursamundi.org>> wrote: > 2. Tagging route information on ways.  It's about a decade too long at this point for ref=* on a way

Re: [Talk-gb-london] Question about London's habit of mapping

Hi, >> I saw that in London the address of a building is often put as a tag of >> the building. It is the "correct" way wanted by the local community? How >> do you handle multiple address/entrance in the same building? Is the >> "relation:street" used in this city? > I am currently working on

Re: [Talk-us] While we're fixing things in iterations

Of course, I'm not pointing fingers or placing blame on any person / human in particular. We agree: a bit of cleaning some rust off of the toolchain. Change management. Does that happen on this channel? That's OK: no need to answer that. SteveA

Re: [Talk-us] While we're fixing things in iterations

On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 4:37 PM stevea wrote: > Paul Johnson wrote: > > Can we finally fix two other longstanding problems, then? > > > > 1. The wiki being incorrect about not counting bicycle lanes. That's > not reflective of how validators deal with lanes, how data consumers like > Osmand or

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Changeset Comments Copyright

Hello Kathleen, thank you for your clarifications. On 09/23/2020 at 02:42 PM Kathleen Lu via legal-talk wrote: GITNE, I don't know what distinction you are drawing between opinion and legal assessment. I cannot give you legal advice as I am not your lawyer, but my legal opinion, based on the

Re: [Talk-us] While we're fixing things in iterations

Paul Johnson wrote: > Can we finally fix two other longstanding problems, then? > > 1. The wiki being incorrect about not counting bicycle lanes. That's not > reflective of how validators deal with lanes, how data consumers like Osmand > or Magic Earth deal with lanes, or how ground truth

Re: [Talk-gb-london] Question about London's habit of mapping

Hi Corentin, > I saw that in London the address of a building is often put as a tag of > the building. It is the "correct" way wanted by the local community? How > do you handle multiple address/entrance in the same building? Is the > "relation:street" used in this city? I am currently working

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Changeset Comments Copyright

Hello Christoph, On 09/23/2020 at 01:27 PM Christoph Hormann wrote: On Wednesday 23 September 2020, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: GITNE's point was not about changeset data, it was about changeset discussions. I agree there is no doubt that changesets are part of the geodatabase (at least for

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Installation infructueuse d'un tasking manager

[ ce mail peut vous arriver deux fois ] Le 23/09/2020 à 15:27, Lucas LONGOUR via Talk-fr a écrit : Bonjour à tous, Bonjour Lucas, Je fais suivre à t...@listes.openstreetmap.fr Je cherche à installer un Tasking Manager dédié. Jusqu'à maintenant je me suis penché sur le TM utilisé par

Re: [Talk-us] United States Bicycle Route System ballot(s) pending AASHTO approval

On Sep 22, 2020, at 8:38 PM, Elliott Plack wrote: > Excellent! I see no problem keeping state=proposed with the lifecycle. With both of us in agreement about tag "proposed:route=bicycle" (especially as it co-exists with "state=proposed") can we gain some more consensus (here, soon?) allowing

Re: [Talk-us] place=neighborhood on subdivisions?

On Sep 23, 2020, at 10:51 AM, Brian Stromberg wrote: > A short question of a lengthy response: What is the history behind that > definition of 'suburb'? Is it a result of the term being used that way in > UK/Europe/elsewhere? Seems like an odd usage, since "suburbs" have had a very > clear

Re: [Talk-us] place=neighborhood on subdivisions?

A short question of a lengthy response: What is the history behind that definition of 'suburb'? Is it a result of the term being used that way in UK/Europe/elsewhere? Seems like an odd usage, since "suburbs" have had a very clear definition in the United States for decades now, and it has nothing

[Talk-us] While we're fixing things in iterations

On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 11:34 AM stevea wrote: > > Exactly. My rule of thumb is if you're thinking about putting a name on > it, and it's not a shopping center, apartment complex or similar large but > contiguous landuse, then landuse=* probably isn't what your polygon should > be. > > At least

Re: [Talk-us] place=neighborhood on subdivisions?

Below, I answer Paul (first) and Joseph (second), both with substantial detail, so "lengthy post ahead." Paul Johnson wrote: > In terms of Seattle, I don't think Ballard or Magnolia are a suburb. They're > more of a neighborhood, both subordinate to Seattle. Mercer Island or > Bellvue are

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] [Annonce]: Quatre nouvelles couches thématiques disponibles sur magOSM

Le mer. 23 sept. 2020 à 11:38, Augustin DOURY a écrit : > > * l'interface pour contribuer/corriger est pas si évidente: rien pour > ajouter un élément manquant, ni pour modifier un élément trouvé. > > > Là je n'ai pas compris de quelle interface tu parlais. Tu parles du README > principal du

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] OSMdata

sur "leisure=sports_centre + sport=swimming", cela n'indique pas nécessairement le contour de la piscine mais l'emprise de la zone sportive qui inclue une piscine, ou un bassin protégé ça peut être zone délimitée d'un étang naturel ou artificiel ou d'un lac, et ne concerner qu'une partie du

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Changeset Comments Copyright

On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 12:49 AM GITNE wrote: > On 09/23/2020 at 02:19 AM Clifford Snow wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 22, 2020 at 2:43 PM GITNE mailto:gi...@gmx.de>> > wrote: > > > > Hello OSMF Legal Team, > > > > due to a quite troubling revelation by @SomeoneElse that changeset >

Re: [Talk-it] Alert tematici

No, filtra i changeset in base a tag e diff, poi manda direttamente al canale telegram una elenco Il mer 23 set 2020, 14:31 Andreas Lattmann ha scritto: > Sfrutti gli rss? > Se sì, puoi usare il bot di Delta Chat (non devi installare nulla) basta > inviare una mail di testo a questo indirizzo:

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Changeset Comments Copyright

> > > why not remove “geo-database of the”? If someone added the geo-database, > maybe they wanted to exclude other databases or parts of the project? Are > there terms for diary posts? Are diary posts distributed under the ODbL? > > Well, updating the Contributor Terms would be an enormous

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Changeset Comments Copyright

sent from a phone > On 23. Sep 2020, at 14:43, Kathleen Lu via legal-talk > wrote: > So if changeset comments did not count as part of the geo-database, OSM would > not have rights to use them, which would be contrary to the purposes of the > Contributor Terms. looking at the terms, to my

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Installation infructueuse d'un tasking manager

Le 23/09/2020 à 15:27, Lucas LONGOUR via Talk-fr a écrit : Bonjour à tous, Bonjour Lucas, Je fais suivre à t...@listes.openstreetmap.fr Je cherche à installer un Tasking Manager dédié. Jusqu'à maintenant je me suis penché sur le TM utilisé par HOT. Cependant malgré plusieurs

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Changeset Comments Copyright

On 22/09/2020 17.43, GITNE wrote: As far as I can tell no document covers changeset comments either explicitly nor implicitly. The Contributor Terms state that “…contributing data and/or any other content (collectively, “Contents”) to the geo-database of the OpenStreetMap project (the

[OSM-talk-fr] Installation infructueuse d'un tasking manager

Bonjour à tous, Je cherche à installer un Tasking Manager dédié. Jusqu'à maintenant je me suis penché sur le TM utilisé par HOT. Cependant malgré plusieurs tentatives de mise en production il subsiste des erreurs qui entravent son bon fonctionnement (sur la version 4). La version 2 semble être

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Changeset Comments Copyright

Sep 23, 2020, 15:16 by gi...@gmx.de: > On 09/23/2020 at 01:16 PM Frederik Ramm wrote: > >> >> On 23.09.20 12:34, GITNE wrote: >> >>> (for profit) which presumably is not covered either by the ODbL >>> >> >> Assuming that the data is covered by ODbL, then "These rights explicitly >> include

Re: [Talk-us] place=neighborhood on subdivisions?

On 23/09/2020 00.52, Paul Johnson wrote: In terms of Seattle, I don't think Ballard or Magnolia are a suburb. They're more of a neighborhood, both subordinate to Seattle. I admit this threw me at first also, but read https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:place%3Dsuburb. To wit: "OSM's

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Changeset Comments Copyright

Hello Frederik, On 09/23/2020 at 01:16 PM Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, On 23.09.20 12:34, GITNE wrote: The issue is not availability of the data but Slack *republishing* content Surely Slack is doing that not out of their own decision, but because someone has instructed them (or their web

Re: [Talk-it] Alert tematici

sent from a phone > On 23. Sep 2020, at 14:31, Andreas Lattmann > wrote: > > Sfrutti gli rss? > Se sì, puoi usare il bot di Delta Chat (non devi installare nulla) basta > inviare una mail di testo a questo indirizzo: simple...@systemli.org > con scritto /feed_sub https://urldelfeed > Così

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Changeset Comments Copyright

GITNE, I don't know what distinction you are drawing between opinion and legal assessment. I cannot give you legal advice as I am not your lawyer, but my legal opinion, based on the terms of the Contributor Agreement, is that changeset comments are part of OSM's geo-database. Note that the terms

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Changeset Comments Copyright

On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 6:19 PM Andy Townsend wrote: > For those unfamiliar with it, the OSM US' Slack instance has a > "feed-changeset-comments" channel which shows new changeset discussion > comments shortly after they are added. There are lots of other ways of > getting at that data as well

Re: [Talk-it] Alert tematici

Sfrutti gli rss? Se sì, puoi usare il bot di Delta Chat (non devi installare nulla) basta inviare una mail di testo a questo indirizzo: simple...@systemli.org con scritto /feed_sub https://urldelfeed Così ti arriva direttamente nella tua e-mail tutti gli aggiornamenti. Per altre funzioni del bot

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Changeset Comments Copyright

Sep 23, 2020, 12:18 by ajt1...@gmail.com: > On 23/09/2020 08:49, GITNE wrote: > >> Unfortunately, no. I do not use Slack. So, I cannot provide a specific link >> or >> something. What I know is that @SomeoneElse reported that Slack has an >> automated >> feed which pulls changesets comments

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Changeset Comments Copyright

Hi GITNE, if you feel that you have let your manners slip in changeset comments in the past, then just adding an apology (instead of starting a discussion about whether it is legal to republish your disrespectful comments) is always an option!

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Changeset Comments Copyright

On Wednesday 23 September 2020, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > GITNE's point was not about changeset data, it was about changeset > discussions. I agree there is no doubt that changesets are part of > the geodatabase (at least for me), but for changeset comments it > seems the situation isn't so

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Changeset Comments Copyright

Hi, On 23.09.20 12:34, GITNE wrote: > The issue is not availability of the data but Slack *republishing* > content Surely Slack is doing that not out of their own decision, but because someone has instructed them (or their web service) to do so? > (for profit) which presumably is not covered

Re: [talk-cz] Dětská herna

leisure=playground? Sten Dne středa 23. září 2020 22:26:58 NZST, Jan Macura napsal(a): > Zdravím vespolek, > > nějaký nápad, jak označit v OSM toto: http://www.detskaherna-line.cz/ ? > tourism=theme_park mi přijde jako overkill. > > Díky > H. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally

Re: [talk-cz] Dětská herna

Ahoj, Co tohle? Asi by to chtělo zpřesnit, ale vypadá to jako obdobné zařízení... Zdar, HPM https://openstreetmap.cz/node/7569505513#map=18/50.11090/14.51878=dA Dne st 23. 9. 2020 12:33 uživatel Majkaz napsal: > Něco podobného jsem taky tak dávala, nic moc jiného se tu vymyslet nedá. >

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Changeset Comments Copyright

Am Mi., 23. Sept. 2020 um 12:25 Uhr schrieb GITNE : > > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/images/5/58/OSM_DB_Schema_2016-12-13.svg > Martin, please correct me if I am wrong but the database represented by the > schema you have pointed to is not what is actually publicly available, > that is >

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Changeset Comments Copyright

On 09/23/2020 at 12:18 PM Andy Townsend wrote: On 23/09/2020 08:49, GITNE wrote: Unfortunately, no. I do not use Slack. So, I cannot provide a specific link or something. What I know is that @SomeoneElse reported that Slack has an automated feed which pulls changesets comments from OSM and

Re: [talk-cz] Dětská herna

Něco podobného jsem taky tak dávala, nic moc jiného se tu vymyslet nedá.  https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/4441892889 Majka 23. 9. 2020 12:27:34 Jan Macura : > Zdravím vespolek, > > nějaký nápad, jak označit v OSM toto: http://www.detskaherna-line.cz/ ? > > tourism=theme_park mi přijde jako

[talk-cz] Dětská herna

Zdravím vespolek, nějaký nápad, jak označit v OSM toto: http://www.detskaherna-line.cz/ ? tourism=theme_park mi přijde jako overkill. Díky H. ___ talk-cz mailing list talk-cz@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Changeset Comments Copyright

On 09/23/2020 at 11:22 AM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Am Mi., 23. Sept. 2020 um 11:02 Uhr schrieb Christoph Hormann mailto:chris_horm...@gmx.de>>: ... That changeset data is distributed separately from other parts of our database is not an argument against it being covered by the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Changeset Comments Copyright

On 23/09/2020 08:49, GITNE wrote: Unfortunately, no. I do not use Slack. So, I cannot provide a specific link or something. What I know is that @SomeoneElse reported that Slack has an automated feed which pulls changesets comments from OSM and republishes them on one of their channels. For

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] [Annonce]: Quatre nouvelles couches thématiques disponibles sur magOSM

Salut, Merci beaucoup Philippe, Jean-Yvon pour ces retours. Quelques réponses ci-dessous (je participe également au développement de magOSM) : Le mercredi 23 septembre 2020 à 10:00 +0200, Philippe Verdy a écrit : C'est pas mal fait. En revanche quelques remarques: * la sélection des thématiques

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Changeset Comments Copyright

Am Mi., 23. Sept. 2020 um 11:02 Uhr schrieb Christoph Hormann < chris_horm...@gmx.de>: > ... That changeset data > is distributed separately from other parts of our database is not an > argument against it being covered by the contributor terms. Frequent > discussion in the OSM community that

[Talk-gb-london] Question about London's habit of mapping

Hello everybody, I am new in London (and in the UK in general) and I started mapping around me. I have some questions about local habit of mapping. I saw that in London the address of a building is often put as a tag of the building. It is the "correct" way wanted by the local community? How do

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] [OSM talk-fr] [Annonce]: Quatre nouvelles couches thématiques disponibles sur magOSM

Il faut effectivement cliquer en haut au milieu sur Permalien avant de rafraichir la page. En clair la logique pour calculer l'url dont parle Philippe est déjà en place. Jean-Yvon Le 23/09/2020 à 10:00, Philippe Verdy - ver...@gmail.com a écrit : * le rafraichissement de la page : rien n'est

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Changeset Comments Copyright

On Wednesday 23 September 2020, GITNE wrote: > [...] However, I am unsure > whether this your opinion or legal assessment? Because a legal > assessment is actually what I would like to know. You will only ever get opinions here (often colored by interests and what people want to be true) and

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Changeset Comments Copyright

On 09/23/2020 at 03:45 AM Kathleen Lu via legal-talk wrote: Hi GITNE, Can you also specify what you think the problem is? I am not sure if I can be more specific. So, I am just going to reword what I have written so that perhaps then things become clearer. In my understanding the Contributor

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] [OSM talk-fr] [Annonce]: Quatre nouvelles couches thématiques disponibles sur magOSM

C'est pas mal fait. En revanche quelques remarques: * la sélection des thématiques : les icones de la carte devraient être à côté du libellé (au moins une générique) pour ne pas avoir à tout lire * "Mes couches" en bas des thématiques : toujours vide, je ne vois pas ce qu'on peut y voir ou y

[Talk-it] Alert tematici

Ciao Volker ed in Cc Ciao Lista, al meeting di ieri sera [1] avevi fatto notare come nel campo ciclabilità talvolta non ci sia consenso su come mappare, chiedendo se ci fosse la possibilità di monitorare OSM a tema. Se hai a disposizione uno smartphone con telegram, posso customizzare uno script

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Changeset Comments Copyright

On 09/23/2020 at 02:19 AM Clifford Snow wrote: On Tue, Sep 22, 2020 at 2:43 PM GITNE mailto:gi...@gmx.de>> wrote: Hello OSMF Legal Team, due to a quite troubling revelation by @SomeoneElse that changeset comments are automatically republished by the third party private company

[talk-cz] WeeklyOSM CZ 528

Ahoj, je dostupné vydání 528 týdeníku WeeklyOSM: https://weeklyosm.eu/cz/archives/13678 * Výchozí vrstva osm.cz? * Mapování křížové cesty. * Strava a exporty na freemap.sk. * 90 milionů sad změn. * Argentinští požárníci a OSM. * Pracovní sešity OpenSchoolMaps. * Vlastní témata map. * Indoor