Re: [Talk-us] Coconino National Forest boundary isn't rendering anymore?

2020-07-15 Thread Paul Norman via Talk-us
On 2020-07-15 3:00 p.m., Paul White wrote: Does anybody know why the Coconino National Forest doesn't render on osm.org anymore? I don't see any recent changes that would've messed anything up but it's gone. I also noticed that the Klamath National Forest is gone, as well. I

Re: [Talk-us] Request for review of plan for scripted edit

2019-08-08 Thread Paul Norman via Talk-us
Given the low numbers of 7-digit numbers I recommend correcting them manually rather than writing code to do it.On Aug 8, 2019 2:02 PM, Alex Hennings wrote:Fixed: references -> relations.Noted: "False impression of data freshness". I hadn't considered this and I would like more opinions.Regarding

Re: [Talk-us] What is the meaning of hgv:national_network=yes/terminal_access?

2019-08-05 Thread Paul Norman via Talk-us
On 2019-08-04 7:56 a.m., Joseph Eisenberg wrote: I've found this undocumented tag, used 130,000 times, almost exclusively in the USA. https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/hgv%3Anational_network#overview Values: yes 86.56% terminal_access 13.37% I thought it might be imported from Tiger, bu

Re: [Talk-us] US map rendering (Was: Re: Spot elevations collected as natural=peak and name=Point (height in feet))

2019-03-21 Thread Paul Norman via Talk-us
As a maintainer of some of the projects listed, I find that you're misrepresenting the situation. On 2019-03-08 11:25 a.m., Kevin Kenny wrote: I've sounded out the maintainers of various of the OSM software, and get different assessments. osm2pgsql - Actively hostile to supporting what I need,

Re: [Talk-us] Slack: Do we need an Alternative (was Planning an import in Price George...)

2018-06-09 Thread Paul Norman
On 2018-06-09 1:19 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: Apart from the reasons you mentioned, having a record is also an important factor. Anything that has gone on on these mailing lists is practically archived forever and for all to see This is also a good reason to ask questions on something other than

Re: [Talk-us] Help fight advertising

2018-03-02 Thread Paul Norman
On 3/2/2018 9:40 AM, Clifford Snow wrote: Sorry for the late posting - I've been working on another project for the past few days. Frederik wrote "You will be surprised about the breadth of marketing blurb that has already crept into OSM." Unfortunately no, I'm not surprised. Marketing is a

Re: [Talk-us] Satus CDP

2018-02-26 Thread Paul Norman
On 2/26/2018 4:59 PM, Clifford Snow wrote: In the middle of the Yakama Nation Indian Reservation sits Satus [1] that as far as I know only exists in some Census bureaucrat world. Asking around here I haven't found anyone familiar with the area. Wikipedia [2] doesn't help much either. I'd like

Re: [Talk-us] Leonia, NJ doesn't want you to navigate through

2018-01-09 Thread Paul Norman
On 1/8/2018 10:53 AM, Jack Burke wrote: I'll leave it to others to decide what, if anything, we should do about this. http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2018/01/05/leonia-streets-off-navigational-apps/ If they actually go through with it, access=destination on the applicable streets, or motor_vehic

Re: [Talk-us] Texas - redacted roads.

2017-10-12 Thread Paul Norman
On 10/12/2017 6:54 PM, Nick Hocking wrote: Should we (in OSM) put what the user will probably search for, the correect (hypothetically) Redwil or should we put the "ground truth" (REED WILL) which is what the user will see if he acually ever makes it to that location. Although this has been

Re: [Talk-us] guidelines regarding roads access

2017-09-14 Thread Paul Norman
On 9/14/2017 12:23 AM, David Wisbey wrote: I limit the use of "residential" to typical residential city or town government-maintained streets. I use "living street" for residential streets that are completely open to the public but not maintained by the local or state government; they must

Re: [Talk-us] natural=* and landuse=* multipolygons at the urban interface

2017-08-15 Thread Paul Norman
On 8/15/2017 10:23 AM, OSM Volunteer stevea wrote: 1) Of a geographic value such that they positively further the goals and hew to the tenets of the project, 2) Current or recent, not of a vintage that even as entered do not fully reflect on-the-ground reality right now, 3) Especially if imp

Re: [Talk-us] natural=* and landuse=* multipolygons at the urban interface

2017-08-14 Thread Paul Norman
On 8/13/2017 4:34 PM, Steve Friedl wrote: You’re right that splitting this up is the right approach, because I don’t believe having all this as one huge relation was every the right thing to do as I cannot see how the related-ness of all the scrub patches in a very wide area is useful informat

Re: [Talk-us] Sabotage or a really bad bot?

2017-04-02 Thread Paul Norman
On 4/2/2017 6:26 PM, Charlotte Wolter wrote: I came across a really weird situation while doing a Maproulette change. In Rustberg, a small town in rural Virginia (http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?editor=id#map=16/37.2772/-79.1011), almost every driveway has been named after t

Re: [Talk-us] U.S.-Mexico border fence update

2017-01-24 Thread Paul Norman
On 1/24/2017 11:24 AM, Michael Corey wrote: Thanks, folks, these are good suggestions. I think posting the map in Github is a good first step -- we first have to iron our our licensing so it's compatible with OSM and with our own licenses. Just to note, if it's based on the OSM border data, it'

Re: [Talk-us] manifesto

2016-11-30 Thread Paul Norman
On 11/30/2016 9:30 AM, mart...@openstreetmap.us wrote: It is also not too late to become a candidate for the board elections. Let us know at bo...@openstreetmap.us if you have any questions. The wiki says nominations closed on the 27th, and candidates needed to

Re: [Talk-us] Okanogan-Wenatchee National Forest (landuse=forest and US National forests again)

2016-11-29 Thread Paul Norman
On 11/29/2016 7:14 AM, Andy Townsend wrote: All I know of the area is"lots of parts of it do have lots of trees", but does the landuse=forest assignment make sense on the National Forest boundary, or should it be on the forested areas within? I mention this here rather because I'm sure there a

Re: [Talk-us] Fresno Parcels Deletion proposal

2016-11-28 Thread Paul Norman
On 11/26/2016 2:43 PM, Brian M Hamlin wrote: Hi All - people are invited to see a blog post on the topic of Fresno County landuse=residential legal records, aka PARCEL. You can find the blog address in my signature. thanks very much I've long supported cleaning up the Fresno import b

Re: [Talk-us] Mapping inside airports

2016-11-17 Thread Paul Norman
On 11/16/2016 8:23 PM, Kevin Morgan wrote: Has any one had any issues with airport security as a result of mapping features inside US airports? No. When airport mapping I'm either - walking around, focused on my phone and periodically looking up and inputting stuff into it. This is now consi

Re: [Talk-us] problematic import in san francisco state university

2016-06-18 Thread Paul Norman
On 6/18/2016 10:13 AM, Eric Ladner wrote: I could fix it manually, if you like. Pretty straight forward, actually. I wouldn't suggest putting too much work into it until we determine a source, since it's possible the data might have to go. ___ Tal

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Reporting Attribution Issues on Mapbox maps

2016-06-14 Thread Paul Norman
On 6/10/2016 3:03 PM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: But I'm a little concerned about non-MB hosted maps. If not this URL, where can we report attribution issues related to non-hosted Mapbox maps and can you link to that other place we can report attribution issues related to that other kind of cust

Re: [Talk-us] Proposed import cleanup: NYSDEClands

2016-05-19 Thread Paul Norman
On 5/19/2016 10:24 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote: There may be cases where a MapRoulette challenge may be in order? I don't think it'd make a good MR challenge since all those changes are the same on all the objects. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@o

[Talk-us] Proposed import cleanup: Olympic peninsula streams

2016-05-19 Thread Paul Norman
The Olympic peninsula has a a few imports from the US NFS and NPS I'm proposing cleaning them up with a mechanical edit that for streams from the NFS - Removes attribution=US-NFS, fixme=resurvey, import_uuid, length, length_unit, llid, and waterway_llid tags - Changes source=http://www.fs.fe

[Talk-us] Proposed import cleanup: NYSDEClands

2016-05-19 Thread Paul Norman
I was debugging some MP issues and came across the NYSDEClands import[1], done in 2010, consisting of natural areas. They have a number of unwanted tags[2], and a couple of other problems with their tags Because there's a relatively small number of them, I think a mechanical edit is the best c

Re: [Talk-us] Tagging National Forests

2016-05-09 Thread Paul Norman
On 8/19/2015 2:29 AM, Nathan Mixter wrote: I would like to see areas in OSM categorized as either land use, land cover (which we call natural for the most part in OSM) or administrative to clear the confusion. I am also in favor of eliminating the landuse=forest tag at least in its current inca

Re: [Talk-us] Representing census-designated places (CDP), Census County Division (CCD), etc

2016-04-28 Thread Paul Norman
On 4/28/2016 12:24 PM, Nelson A. de Oliveira wrote: We are having a discussion about representing statistical boundaries in Brazil and while trying to search for similar cases I found that your CDP (maybe CCD too) seems to be similar: "They don't have any legal status, or represent the jurisdict

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Old Aerodromes

2016-04-12 Thread Paul Norman
On 4/12/2016 2:40 AM, Christoph Hormann wrote: On Tuesday 12 April 2016, Martijn van Exel wrote: >Hi, > >I was mapping some rural area in the U.S. and noticed, not for the >first time, an aerodrome node in the middle of a field where there is >obviously no airport or airfield. I am not sure her

Re: [Talk-us] Communications manager

2016-04-01 Thread Paul Norman
On 4/1/2016 12:22 AM, Greg Morgan wrote: I would think that the US Board should add another board member to be a communications manager. I now understand why corporations have paid staff that do nothing but manage all these communication options. Why would this need to be a board member as o

Re: [Talk-us] Caliparks re-tagging paths?

2016-03-24 Thread Paul Norman
On 3/24/2016 5:50 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: It is obvious to me that all occurrences of highway=social_path need to be replaced with whatever they were before. I'd normally say let's give them some time to come up with a better idea but seeing that the problem has been highlighted to them pretty m

Re: [Talk-us] Legal Research

2016-02-23 Thread Paul Norman
On 2016-02-22 12:38 AM, Ian Dees wrote: As has been mentioned before, the LWG and OSMF were and are involved in this process. The OSMF is not formally involved in the process, through the LWG or otherwise. OpenStreetMap US is free to engage with law students to ask legal questions about Op

[Talk-us] Local event calendar

2016-01-26 Thread Paul Norman
On the front page of the wiki, we have a calendar showing upcoming local events, powered by http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Current_events The North American meetups have been inconsistent about adding them, but it'd be good to do better. This will help show that there's a share of meetups

Re: [Talk-us] Proposal: Sunset ref=* on ways in, favor of relations

2015-11-19 Thread Paul Norman
On 11/19/2015 5:31 AM, Paul Fox wrote: okay. then, speaking as the maintainer of an independent renderer: where are such sunrise/sunset transitions announced/scheduled/tracked? is the "announce" list the place to be? (all i usually see there is server outages.) can someone point me to a region

Re: [Talk-us] GeoBadges 1.0 for OpenStreetMap

2015-11-17 Thread Paul Norman
On 11/16/2015 6:09 PM, Steven Johnson wrote: Hi Frederik, Thanks for the suggestion and I appreciate the distinction. Because this is our first outing, we're sure that the badge will evolve and the requirements are terminology will evolve with them. I would suggest "Editor" for the criteria l

Re: [Talk-us] 0,0 Cleanup

2015-11-14 Thread Paul Norman
On 11/13/2015 10:42 PM, Elliott Plack wrote: Folks, There's a lot of sandbox type data at 0°, 0° on OSM. Any special method to clean that up? I noticed it on the Mapbox Foursquare map, because creating lists defaults the map to 0,0 at z10. Any way we can polish that area up? It looks okay

Re: [Talk-us] Proposal: Sunset ref=* on ways in, favor of relations

2015-11-08 Thread Paul Norman
On 11/7/2015 10:18 AM, Kevin Kenny wrote: I find lately that it needs a patched Mapnik, because Mapnik (sensibly) went to a read-only database connection, and one of Phil's stored procedures modifies the database the first time that a shield cluster is requested. One of these times I'll fix it.

Re: [Talk-us] Maxweight in the USA

2015-11-02 Thread Paul Norman
On 11/2/2015 2:28 PM, Toby Murray wrote: My view is that this isn't much different than speed limits. We don't tag maxspeed=96.5606, we tag maxspeed=60 mph. Tag what's on the sign. The complicating factor on this is of course that "ton" has at least 3 different meanings but I would generally assu

Re: [Talk-us] rebooting: tagging footways and sidewalks discussion

2015-10-27 Thread Paul Norman
On 10/27/2015 7:33 AM, Marc Gemis wrote: I just noticed a similar question on the tagging mailing list: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2015-October/027115.html It would be nice to combine efforts, not ? Yes, this isn't a US issue so the discussions on the tagging@ list wou

[Talk-us] OpenStreetMap US chapter board elections

2015-10-21 Thread Paul Norman
of 4.28 votes were cast per completed ballot. Thanks to everyone who ran and was involved in the election, including the other scrutineer, Henk Hoff. -- Paul Norman ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-us] Increasing the number of US Mappers

2015-10-14 Thread Paul Norman
On 10/14/2015 5:30 PM, Greg Troxel wrote: - in each state, have a state mailinglist, limited to people who actively map in the state, because they live there, or because they drive there to work. Explicitly discourage non-locals from joining. These lists would have more of a "people you

Re: [Talk-us] Should driveways be on OSM?

2015-10-02 Thread Paul Norman
On 10/2/2015 7:23 AM, Tom Bloom wrote: -If the driveway is long and wrong, or short and inside an urban area, delete it. Paul and Kevin say I should fix them. Easily said, but there are are too many and there are whole towns needing alignment, and endless roads connecting them that don't remo

Re: [Talk-us] User HomocideBaltimore adding fake / fictional / old data all over Baltimore

2015-09-11 Thread Paul Norman
http://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/804 placed to force the user to read it before they can continue to edit. If needed, I can merge all the users changes and revert them in one go. On 9/10/2015 3:34 PM, Elliott Plack wrote: This is very strange! The user HomicideBaltimore has been mapping

Re: [Talk-us] Another road classification disagreement (this time with HFCS in Kansas)

2015-09-06 Thread Paul Norman
On 9/6/2015 1:24 AM, Toby Murray wrote: US 24: two lanes, undivided, 65 MPH speed limit, narrow shoulders US 81: four lanes, divided by a 50 foot median, 70 MPH speed limit, 10 foot shoulders I'm pretty sure US 24 also has a lot more random driveways and farm access roads than US 81 although 81

Re: [Talk-us] Arm chair mapping challenges

2015-08-19 Thread Paul Norman
and all made new user mistakes once. We learn by doing and constructive criticism. It's only when someone doesn't learn or ignore comments that it's a problem. Paul Norman For the Data Working Group ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] Tagging National Forests

2015-08-18 Thread Paul Norman
On 8/18/2015 1:58 PM, Ben Discoe wrote: As someone who has worked on protected areas in OSM globally, it has always been obvious that the "landuse" tags and the "boundary" tags serve clear and different purposes. US "National Forests" are boundaries around land which contain many uses(*), and lan

Re: [Talk-us] Tagging National Forests

2015-08-17 Thread Paul Norman
On 8/17/2015 10:10 AM, Tod Fitch wrote: The issue, as I see it, is that the OSM landuse=forest means that all the land so designated is used for timber production No. Unfortunately, all that a data consumer can gather from landuse=forest or natural=wood is that there are trees there. _

Re: [Talk-us] Tagging National Forests

2015-08-16 Thread Paul Norman
On 8/16/2015 7:10 PM, Martijn van Exel wrote: So should we just not tag National Forests as landuse=forest? Tagging a National Forest as landuse=forest is horribly wrong, unless the boundaries of the National Forest happen to agree with the boundaries of the forest, which has not been the cas

Re: [Talk-us] Naming Ramps

2015-07-30 Thread Paul Norman
On 7/30/2015 7:15 AM, Brett Lord-Castillo wrote: Related to this, I also wanted to look for some ideas on how to generate names for the unnamed ramps in an OSM extract. Most ramps in parts of the US I've traveled don't have name. What they do have is destinations, which indicate the information

Re: [Talk-us] cycle.travel US bike routing, and unreviewed rural TIGER

2015-06-14 Thread Paul Norman
On 6/14/2015 2:24 PM, Harald Kliems wrote: Well, you've certainly motivated me to from now on always modify the tiger:reviewed tag :-) Thanks again for your efforts! The most important change is probably setting appropriate surface information. I don't know the exact secret sauce magic of cyc

Re: [Talk-us] OSM TED Style Talk - Fort Collins Colorado

2015-05-27 Thread Paul Norman
On 5/26/2015 2:00 PM, Mike Thompson wrote: Is anyone else using OSM to advocate for change (or preservation) in their community? Could you share a sentence or two about what you are doing and grant me permission to use it in my talk? In England people are mapping in OpenStreetMap and then using

Re: [Talk-us] Duplicate nodes in Delaware

2015-05-11 Thread Paul Norman
On 5/11/2015 3:47 PM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: Looks pretty bad. Bare untagged nodes on top of existing way nodes. A speedy revert is in order: are you comfortable doing that, or do you want help? This is currently being reverted. It may take some time, given the size of the changesets. _

Re: [Talk-us] Facts about the world

2015-04-04 Thread Paul Norman
On 4/3/2015 10:06 PM, Eleanor Tutt wrote: Paul - If perception of mapping in the US isn't aligning with reality, we probably *do* need to do a better job as a chapter board of telling the full story. I see what you mean about the blog posts, though I do think your interpretation is a bit harsh.

Re: [Talk-us] Facts about the world

2015-04-03 Thread Paul Norman
On 4/3/2015 11:19 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote: Perhaps we, as the U.S. chapter, play a role in creating or sustaining these false assumptions? Yes. To substantiate this, I looked at communications from the US chapter I looked through the current board term and the previous board term. In the c

Re: [Talk-us] Moving historic railroad ways from OSM to OpenHistoricalMap

2015-04-02 Thread Paul Norman
On 3/29/2015 5:00 AM, Mark Bradley wrote: Can I export these ways from OSM and then import them into OHM? The main technical problem with moving data from one OSM API to another (e.g. OSM to OHM, OSM to dev server, OSM to OpenGeoFiction) is making sure to get rid of the OSM IDs, as the other AP

Re: [Talk-us] USA Rail: Calling all OSM railfans! (especially in California)

2015-03-31 Thread Paul Norman
On 3/31/2015 11:02 AM, stevea wrote: Part of the reason I do this is because other places you might "discover" these data (subdivision names) are maps published by the rail corporations. But, be careful. For example, I have found that when I go to Union Pacific's web site to get a page that d

Re: [Talk-us] Retagging hamlets in the US

2015-03-19 Thread Paul Norman
On 3/18/2015 4:20 PM, Kevin Kenny wrote: Levittown, New York, for instance is a hamlet with a population of over fifty thousand. This is not a hamlet. Typically a hamlet would have less than 100-200 people. What you've described is a town or a city, this is regardless of if it has incorporated

Re: [Talk-us] Why?

2015-03-04 Thread Paul Norman
On 3/4/2015 3:38 PM, stevea wrote: landuse in OSM should be the actual landuse, not the legally permitted / designed landuse (zoning). I do not disagree (meaning "I agree"), however: if my quarter-hectare property of low density residential zoning has a house, fences, a garage, lawns, a cree

Re: [Talk-us] Why?

2015-02-28 Thread Paul Norman
On 2/28/2015 4:07 AM, Hans De Kryger wrote: The city of Escondido has this mega residential area. Just wondering why? http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=13/33.1035/-117.0940 There's a few things going on here One is that there has been an import or tracing from an official landuse plan (e.g. h

Re: [Talk-us] Get your early bird ticket to State of the Map US!

2015-02-04 Thread Paul Norman
On 2/4/2015 2:43 PM, Alex Barth wrote: Yup, that cutoff number is going to be somewhere beyond 1,000 - and we are fully planning to sell out the conference :) Any idea what portion will be mappers and what will be companies or other organizations? The feedback I've gotten is that the US confer

Re: [Talk-us] Santa Clara County (California) address import?

2015-01-30 Thread Paul Norman
On 1/29/2015 9:38 PM, Tod Fitch wrote: First question, is their Creative Commons license [3] compatible with OSM? From previous list traffic from SteveA regarding California government data I believe that even if the CC license is not compatible with OSM the county data will be licensed approp

Re: [Talk-us] Please review: new proposed bylaws for OSM US, open for comments until Jan 20th

2015-01-20 Thread Paul Norman
On 1/14/2015 10:17 AM, Alex Barth wrote: To all OpenStreetMap US members: Our new proposed bylaws are open for comments until **January 20th 3PM Eastern**. Will these new bylaws be compatible with getting Local Chapter status? ___ Talk-us mailing li

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS POI populations

2015-01-14 Thread Paul Norman
On 1/13/2015 5:34 AM, Minh Nguyen wrote: It looks like most of the place=city/town/village/hamlet POIs from GNIS are tagged with 2000 Census populations in the population tag. These population tags allow renderers to label places with font sizes corresponding to population, which is a pretty co

Re: [Talk-us] NAD 27 data to OSM's native WGS 84 data

2014-12-31 Thread Paul Norman
On 12/31/2014 2:14 PM, stevea wrote: OSM uses WGS-84 as its default, and I erred in not realizing these data are in NAD 27, so a conversion does seem to be necessary. Not just by default - OSM is defined as only being in WGS84. When you open them as-is with JOSM (+ Shapefile plug-in), you get

Re: [Talk-us] Meet the new board - offices elected

2014-12-02 Thread Paul Norman
On 12/2/2014 4:25 PM, Alex Barth wrote: Hello everyone - Today we elected the offices of the new 2014/2015 board of OpenStreetMap US, see the resulting new roles here: Congratulations to those taking up new or resuming old roles. I particularly look forward to our canine representation between

Re: [Talk-us] admin level for US states

2014-11-24 Thread Paul Norman
On 11/24/2014 5:00 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: I wonder why US States are tagged as admin_level=4, wouldn't it be more consistent with the rest of the map to have them tagged as level 3? admin_level=4 is consistent with Canada and Australia at the very least. I believe it's also consistent wi

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Fix a Forest - experimental tiles from US Forest Service data

2014-11-11 Thread Paul Norman
On 11/11/2014 10:29 AM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: I've created a set of tiles from US Forest Service road data for the 155 US National Forests. It's worth noting that a green area denotes a US National Forest, which does not imply it's got trees, which is necessary for an OSM forest. Thanks

Re: [Talk-us] Statistics of board candidate edits

2014-10-07 Thread Paul Norman
On 10/7/2014 10:51 AM, Charlotte Wolter wrote: Also, all have editing experience with OSM, whether in the United States or outside. I would not consider someone who has not made a single edit in the last 12 months to have editing experience in the context of a local chapter election. This is al

Re: [Talk-us] Statistics of board candidate edits

2014-10-05 Thread Paul Norman
On 10/5/2014 6:26 PM, Alan McConchie wrote: All of the candidates have made more than zero edits While true that all candidates have edited OSM at some point in the past, two of them have zero edits in the last year, and one of those has no US edits ever.[1] While a candidate may have other s

Re: [Talk-us] Statistics of board candidate edits

2014-10-03 Thread Paul Norman
On 10/3/2014 8:28 AM, Richard Weait wrote: Paul, did you take alternate accounts into consideration, or only one uid per candidate? I only used the user that was linked from the candidate list. I considered multiple IDs, but I didn't expect it to make a significant difference for my uses. E.g.

[Talk-us] Statistics of board candidate edits

2014-10-02 Thread Paul Norman
I decided to conduct an rudimentary analysis on the edits of the current OSM US board candidates, similar to something I did last year. When considering the qualifications of someone on the board which sets direction for the local chapter, it is certainly useful to their experience as an OSM con

Re: [Talk-us] User going around adding '-' to ref tags in Michigan

2014-09-26 Thread Paul Norman
On 9/26/2014 9:57 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote: This is not really appropriate since the main map rendering stylesheet still takes ref tags from ways to paint the route number shields. There is work underway to take that information from route relations though:https://github.com/gravitystorm/openst

Re: [Talk-us] Merging NYC buildings

2014-09-19 Thread Paul Norman
On 9/19/2014 6:19 AM, Reilly, Colin wrote: A single building cannot straddle two tax parcels. This seems incorrect. If I build a structure on two tax parcels, it can exist as a single building. It may not be legal, or may require planning tricks that make it two buildings in the eyes of the cit

Re: [Talk-us] Merging NYC buildings

2014-09-19 Thread Paul Norman
On 9/19/2014 7:00 AM, Bryan Housel wrote: We really should come up with a good way to make authoritative data harder to edit in the various editors. All that a particular data source can be authoritative for is what that data source says something is. What is authoritative for OSM is the ground

Re: [Talk-us] multiple-value problem in ref tags

2014-09-15 Thread Paul Norman
On 9/15/2014 7:03 PM, Jack Burke wrote: As the wiki doesn't specifically say *don't* put a space after the semicolon, I didn't see a problem with doing it. [1] The standard is to use ; without a space as a delimiter. This is what both iD and JOSM use. https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/9

Re: [Talk-us] Abandoned railway

2014-08-29 Thread Paul Norman
On 8/29/2014 9:41 PM, Russ Nelson wrote: And then I can point you to oddly connected roads, and a lack of buildings, or new buildings. Those things should certainly be mapped, but there are other projects to put historical data. ___ Talk-us mailing l

Re: [Talk-us] Abandoned railway

2014-08-29 Thread Paul Norman
On 8/28/2014 10:56 PM, Hans De Kryger wrote: Is this abandoned railway really need at all? The last person to touch it was NE2. If there's no trace on the ground, delete it. If it's still there but without tracks, use railway=dismantled (e.g. a bed). By the looks of it, a lot of it goes throu

Re: [Talk-us] Road abbreviations

2014-07-31 Thread Paul Norman
On 7/30/2014 6:18 PM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: Paul, Yeah, I'm just trying to figure out where the problems are- not trying to dig deeply into them yet- I'm looking for clusters of problems (ie San Diego), or I heard about a problem in Michigan where someone decided to revert a bunch of the bot

Re: [Talk-us] Road abbreviations

2014-07-30 Thread Paul Norman
On 7/30/2014 1:45 PM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: So if you have expertise in Tilemill, I'd love the help in setting up some tiles that show probable abbreviations. I have the databases to do this, but it's not clear to me how to visualize this. Just color roads in that have abbreviations? ___

Re: [Talk-us] exit_to vs destination

2014-07-27 Thread Paul Norman
On 7/15/2014 3:00 PM, Martijn van Exel wrote: I will follow up with some numbers, unless Paul changes his mind about this not having much interest and crunches the numbers before me. Of the approximately 28k exit_to nodes, 24k are children of two or three ways with exactly one of those ways

Re: [Talk-us] More road name expansion thoughts

2014-07-19 Thread Paul Norman
On 2014-07-19 2:46 PM, Mike N wrote: I suspect that most of the unusual cases would be too complicated for MapRoulette because of the need to consult with a governmental reference. Or actually survey them. Aside from first-hand knowledge being superior, there tends to be a high error rate in "o

Re: [Talk-us] IR boundary tagging

2014-07-18 Thread Paul Norman
On 2014-07-18 10:53 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: I should add that I do not intend on changing state boundaries, just mapping indian nations where I know the boundaries to lie on the ground, as higher than state, lower than the country, inside the US only, if that wasn't clear on the admin level ar

Re: [Talk-us] Mapping Space Ports

2014-07-16 Thread Paul Norman
On 2014-07-15 10:37 AM, Scott Rollins wrote: ​I think we hit a "divided by a common language" situation here. From the dictionaries I found, "launchpad" appears to be perfectly acceptable (and, it appeared to me, the preferred spelling) in American English. Although I'm not commenting on the o

Re: [Talk-us] exit_to vs destination

2014-07-15 Thread Paul Norman
a Turing machine to make an automated edit of this (esp > where there's center exits, or more than one in the same spot left and right). > >> On Jul 5, 2014 4:31 PM, "Paul Norman" wrote: >> >>> On 2014-06-23 4:16 PM, Martijn van Exel wrote: >>>

Re: [Talk-us] Mapping event in Baltimore

2014-07-08 Thread Paul Norman
I added to the events calendar (http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Current_events), which is on the Wiki front page. On Jul 07, 2014, at 08:01 PM, Elliott Plack wrote: I'll be there! I'll see if I can get some of the other OSM locals out there too. https://flic.kr/p/n5HyuZ -Elliott On Mon, Jul 7, 20

Re: [Talk-us] Missing boundaries in Glendale Arizona.

2014-07-08 Thread Paul Norman
On Jul 07, 2014, at 11:22 PM, Minh Nguyen wrote: Potlatch 1 lets you undelete ways you've deleted: follow the instructions at [1] to open Potlatch 1, then press U. You'll see deleted ways in red: select one and press the "Unlock" button in the tagging area to undelete it. I'm not sure if Potl

Re: [Talk-us] exit_to vs destination

2014-07-05 Thread Paul Norman
On 2014-06-23 4:16 PM, Martijn van Exel wrote: We should approach automated edits with a great deal of caution - but that's a separate discussion. I think converting exit_to to destination would be hard to do anyway because exit_to is added to the motorway_junction node, whereas destination is

Re: [Talk-us] Usage of exit_to

2014-07-03 Thread Paul Norman
On 2014-07-03 7:13 PM, Bill R. WASHBURN wrote: I like how clearly you explain the differences. Since destination= is so much more intuitive and so much more widely used, should we depreciate exit_to, indicate on the wiki that exit_to is depreciated, and make a concerted effort to migrate exit_

Re: [Talk-us] routing tags used by actual routing applications

2014-07-02 Thread Paul Norman
On 2014-07-02 8:04 AM, Tod Fitch wrote: The western US is also full of unpaved roads. When I've mapped them my criteria for deciding between highway=track and highway=unclassified or highway=residential has been twofold: 1) Could a family sedan reasonably be expected to be able to use the road

Re: [Talk-us] Mappy Hour

2014-06-30 Thread Paul Norman
On 2014-06-30 9:59 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote: Hey all! I created the Mappy Hour event for tonight! But I won't be able to make it, unfortunately... Who can be there at 5:30 PDT / 8:30 EDT to get it started? All that means is that you show up so there's someone there :) If you have a few topics

Re: [Talk-us] IR boundary tagging

2014-06-25 Thread Paul Norman
On 2014-06-25 3:36 PM, Steve All wrote: Paul Norman wrote: I took TIGER data and produced data showing what some states would look like: https://gist.github.com/pnorman/30244b2984216285735d Those are truly excellent visualizations, Paul. Thank you for producing them. Whether "righ

Re: [Talk-us] IR boundary tagging

2014-06-25 Thread Paul Norman
On 2014-06-24 6:50 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: > > > Do you propose cutting the areas out of the states, i.e. so that IRs > > are not in any admin_level=4 relations? That's what you have to do if > > you're fitting IRs into the admin_level hierarchy. > > No, since the states often have agreements for

Re: [Talk-us] (no subject)

2014-06-23 Thread Paul Norman
On 2014-06-23 8:41 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: Supreme Court rules for a second time that indian nations are domestic dependent nations with inherent sovereign authority. This affirms that indian reservations are higher than the state level, lower than the federal level. This sounds like the SC

Re: [Talk-us] Battlegrid

2014-05-21 Thread Paul Norman
The standard tag for where a road is misnamed in some other commonly referred to source is not:name. How to deal with well-intentioned mappers damaging the map by re-introducing bad data is an open question. They can actually cause quite a lot of damage without intending to, and the systematic

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Highly suspicious edit

2014-05-17 Thread Paul Norman
ght this up; I seriously doubt there's > a legitimate reason behind creating an alt explicitly created > for vandalism. Reverted and http://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/468 Paul Norman For the Data Working Group ___ Talk-us mailing l

Re: [Talk-us] Local groups on the map!

2014-05-07 Thread Paul Norman
> From: Richard Weait [mailto:rich...@weait.com] > Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2014 6:09 AM > To: Martijn van Exel > Cc: OSM US Talk > Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Local groups on the map! > > a) A polygon indicates an area of exclusivity, and no other OSM groups > are permitted within the area without the

[Talk-us] Upcoming talk: Rendering server optimization at SeaPUG

2014-05-03 Thread Paul Norman
On Tuesday May 6th I'll be giving a talk in the evening at the Seattle Postgres Users Group on optimizing the Postgres side of an OpenStreetMap tile rendering server. This is an adapted version of the talk I gave at the regional conference in April, which you can see at http://stateofthemap.us/sess

Re: [Talk-us] OSM Inspector and streets with E/N/S/W in their name

2014-04-29 Thread Paul Norman
> From: Frederik Ramm [mailto:frede...@remote.org] > Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2014 12:06 PM > To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org Openstreetmap > Subject: [Talk-us] OSM Inspector and streets with E/N/S/W in their name > > I wonder: Is OSMI correct in flagging this for correction, or is this > something

[Talk-us] SOTM-US room/ride sharing

2014-04-07 Thread Paul Norman
For those who don't know, there's a place on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_Of_The_Map_U.S._2014 for people to indicate if they want to arrange a room share. Washington is fairly expensive, so a room share is one way to save money. Disclosure: I'm on the list of people looking to split t

Re: [Talk-us] Telenav giving away iPad Mini or Galaxy Note to Editor with the Most Edits Made By March 10

2014-02-12 Thread Paul Norman
If there are users conducting undiscussed mechanical edits, please contact the data working group at d...@osmfoundation.org. Please include links to changesets, changed objects, and whatever we need to investigate. Remember that this contest is not directly affiliated with the OSMF or OSM,

Re: [Talk-us] Merging a GNIS node with a TIGER way - for a town

2014-01-29 Thread Paul Norman
> From: Richard Welty [mailto:rwe...@averillpark.net] > Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 11:32 AM > To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org > Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Merging a GNIS node with a TIGER way - for a town > > > On top of it, one of them claims Fortuna, CA is a town, while the > > other claims it i

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Using 'Kort' outside of Switzerland

2014-01-16 Thread Paul Norman
name:lang tags are for the name in lang, not for the name translated to lang. My neighborhood name could be translated into many languages, but that doesn’t mean it has anything other than an English name. It’s also important to remember that English is not a default in OSM names From: Pete

Re: [Talk-us] Local user groups

2014-01-15 Thread Paul Norman
It's important to remember that meetup.com is selling two services in one: their calendaring and organization software, and listing on their site which involves publicity with their substantial list of members for which they have both locations and interests. The first one is easy to reproduce, the

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