John McKerrell wrote:
I just tried that and the imagery came up but it was in the wrong
position (going by some tracing I did earlier today). If I drag the
map the offset jumps about.
Ah, cr*p. Bet I know why, too. Hang on...
cheers
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Nick Whitelegg wrote:
One would be to do something similar to what I already do on
Freemap, namely clickable POIs: The user could click on a POI then
get a window containing a link to its Wikipedia article (if
applicable) and its description tag (if it has one).
Generally a great
Joerg Ostertag (OSM Munich/Germany) wrote:
i just tried to use the edit Tab on the main Site. I selected an area and the
first thing I say was a Copyright for Yahoo, NavTeq and Teleatlas but no
Copyright to Openstreetmap ... wow
Like Steve says, the OSM copyright is on the left of the
David Dean wrote:
I'm glad we can ignore it, but how do I turn it off. Every time I use
Ctrl+T to open another firefox tab, the debug info comes up and I
cannot use Potlatch properly without reloading the whole page.
I'll commit a new version with the debug thingy disabled when I'm back
at
Jo wrote:
I'm adding relations for bus routes and now I'm going to start using
them for cycle routes and signed walking paths. I have a few questions
about them and their implementation in the editors though. I find that
I'm splitting up roads a lot to indicate that a specific part of it is
Frederik Ramm wrote:
It i s going to be a real book, German Language, about 300 pages, and
aims to have everything the would-be mapper needs to get going, as well
as an overview about the technical background of the project (i.e. data
model, XML, and stuff). We assume it is going to hit the
(suggest follow-ups to dev only)
Artem Pavlenko wrote:
Perhaps, not well know fact but Mapnik can render bezier curves. The
reason it is not being used is the lack of support for curves in
common GEO formats.
Now that really _does_ have promise for slimming down SRTM filesizes.
My workflow
Robin Paulson wrote:
while i was looking up some info on wikipedia [1], i noticed that a
lot of pages have a lat/lon value to describe their location; this
strikes me as something we could use to increase the amount of data in
OSM
These are almost certainly derived from Google Maps et al,
Robin Paulson wrote:
[co-ordinates on Wikipedia]
On 08/01/2008, Richard Fairhurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
These are almost certainly derived from Google Maps et al, therefore
unsuitable for OSM.
really, that sounds like it would contravene wikipedia's rules and
google's terms of use
Gregory wrote:
I don't know much legally but...
Oh, I don't know, you seem to have summed it up pretty nicely there. :)
[...]
If I'm right then compatibility isn't quite as much as an issue as the
discussion has made me think.
Yes, absolutely.
As Abi says, Wikipedia's current policy
Lester Caine wrote:
For this map
http://home.lsces.co.uk/lsces/wiki/index.php?page=British+Isles
I ended up scanning each section and then tidying things up with
paintshoppro.
Yes, I'm taking that approach with the NPE scans at the moment - scan
as is, then manually straighten. I've
Ian Haylock wrote:
How can I ruin openstreetmap ? I know I'll go to their website and
just delete whatever I feel like using potlatch.
Fortunately, Potlatch has undelete. :)
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and it's got a week to go, so let's see what they come up with.
http://www.b3ta.com/challenge/maps/popular/
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Ian Haylock wrote:
All edits are logged against the user id of the uploader anyway, so
that doesn't gain you anything
Is this true with potatch as well ?
Yes, Potlatch treats the database in just the same way that JOSM and
other tools do, even though the code and user interface are very
Gregory wrote:
I think there is someone on OSM who lives on a canal boat, or does
quite a bit of canal boating. I seem to remember them providing
some input into discussions, but can't remember who they are.
That'd be me. :) I live on a boat half the week, my day-job is editor
of
Nick Whitelegg wrote:
Talking of walking routes in a more general sense , i.e. not official long
distance paths but a favourite route/circuit e.g. the Old Dungeon
Ghyll-Pike o'Blisco-Crinkle Crags-Band-Old Dungeon Ghyll route in the Lake
District (excellent last day of last year's mapping
Martin Trautmann wrote:
Speaking about canals - do they use nautical speeds? Is the proper
unit km/h, mph or knots, are these land or sea miles? Distances here
are given in km, using km plates besides the canal.
In the UK they use mph and miles.* Sometimes on river navigations
there's
bvh wrote:
On Sat, Jan 26, 2008 at 12:29:33AM +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote:
Well, if your definition of better includes open, then no.
Sometimes when talking about OSM I say provocatively that we're so
ruthlessly pragmatic that we would even switch to Oracle if someone
gave us the stuff for
bvh wrote:
Moreover, I don't think your position is internally consistent. The
data is
nearly useless without the programs to do something interesting
with it. What good would it be for the geo data to be open if the
preferred way of accessing it is closed?
I think preferred is the key.
maning sambale wrote:
Potlatch is a bit slow today. Any info why?
Unfortunately a couple of recent changes to the API have caused
problems for it. I need to modify Potlatch to take account of this but
didn't manage to complete the work last night, not least because the
source was in the
Patrick Weber wrote:
Hi
Noticed something very strange just now. Looked at Luxembourg-City
in Potlatch, and all closed ways (roundabouts, parking lots ... )
had been opened . By that I mean the last node had been deleted
so that that there was a gap and the line wasnt closed anymore.
Rahkonen Jukka wrote:
Vectors and imagery do not match any more. Only way to make them
match is to close the editor and start from the beginning again and
avoid using the right click zoom. This feature has worked fine
until yesterday. I have found it very useful and I would like to
maning sambale wrote:
Ways and nodes in potlatch seems bigger:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2199/224183_2918024784_m.jpg
I'm using ubuntu Firefox 2.0.0.10 Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686;
en-US; rv:1.8.1.10) Gecko/20060601
That's usually a sign of an old Flash Player. What version are
Ian Haylock wrote:
Surely if a person releases something under PD, he/she is giving up
all rights to that information, be it software, data, etc.
So what's to stop OSM doing what they want with the data.
For instance if the whole of the OSM database was public domain. A
private
Andy Allan wrote:
That's a bug. Fixing it will also stop people using
ncn_ref=Something-awfully-long-that-isn't-a-reference-really, which
suggests the invention of an ncn_name= tag.
Oh, doesn't that exist yet...?
/me has been merrily adding ncn_name=Lon Las Cymru and the like for a while
Andy Robinson \(blackadder\) wrote:
I can't comment on the flash-zoom functionality
I can. :)
As of last night the 'Zoom in' and 'Zoom out' options on the Flash
right-click menu are disabled in Potlatch. Better to use an OS-level
magnifier, as John McK suggested... and there'll be other
Hello all,
In case anyone else finds it useful...
I've knocked up a short webform that enables you to upload tracklogs
to OSM in other formats than GPX. It does the conversion for you,
then uploads the resulting GPX file. It might be useful if, say, you
have a NaviGPS and have copied the
Hello all,
You can now choose from several background layers in Potlatch.
Go to the options window (the little tick near the bottom left), and
you'll see that the pop-up menu which used to offer only 'Yahoo' and
'None' now offers:
- OpenAerialMap
- Yahoo
- Mapnik
- Osmarender
- Maplint
Martin Trautmann wrote:
OJ W wrote:
Just looking at an idea for adding maps to wikipedia articles...
I suppose this is not possible, due to license issues!?
It's certainly possible. It's a Collective Work (or whatever similar
term you want to use). Plenty of Wikipedia articles are
Andy Allan wrote:
The cycle map? Will help with filling in gaps in the routes.
*doh* Of course. Why didn't I think of that?
No problem at all. You'll need to add a crossdomain.xml file to the
root of your tile-serving domain (i.e.
http://thunderflames.org/crossdomain.xml) to permit Flash
John McKerrell wrote:
Indeed, good stuff, think I found a bug though :-( I didn't bother
waiting for all of the OpenAerialMap tiles to load and switched to
mapnik, that then loaded, but a few aerial tiles continued to load
afterwards. Not a big deal but thought you'd like to know.
Thanks -
Patrick Weber wrote:
This is confusing, and given the limited
extent currently of high quality data on there, wouldnt it make much
more sense to keep Yahoo as the default Imagery?
Yes, that was the intention. Yahoo is still meant to be the default.
It's a bug which I'm planning to fix
I found Steve's excellent tutorial video on Potlatch really
interesting - not so much because I don't know how to use Potlatch ;)
, but more from a UI feedback point of view.
For example, Steve was having difficulty remembering when/how you
should double-click, and when you should
tim wrote:
What little things like that annoy you, or took you a while to
get used to?
There's quite a bit of mystery meat going on, which takes time to learn.
Mmmm, mystery meat... I had some of that in a curry house in
Abergavenny on Sunday.
Seriously, I do know, but that's kind of
Looks interesting:
http://www.ikonglobal.com/
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2005/03/pedal_power.php
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David Cottingham wrote:
- Can I, despite the fact that the images I create that utilise OSM
data are classed as derived works and hence the images should be
dsitributed under the CC-SA license (correct me if I'm wrong!),
still publish those images in a paper whose copyright will be owned by
Lauri Hahne wrote:
Make it less tall and darker colours. ;)
Now you're being drinks-ist. I like the current one, it looks like it
might contain a real drink (cider, purely for example) rather than any
of this beer rubbish.
cheers
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Martin Trautmann wrote:
I did not understand how to remove the footway, make xyz a real T
crossing and add this D-shaped footpath properly.
To join a way to another way in Potlatch, you simply hover over the
other way - its nodes will highlight in blue - and click it.
At present way
Tom Hughes wrote:
Jukka Rahkonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
While Potlatch shows the uploaded track fine with a neat blue line,
the Convert
to data layer function in JOSM does not order trackpoints correctly by
milliseconds. Is it supposed to do so or is it just better to make running
Lauri Hahne wrote:
There are few quirks currently with Potlatch. I hope somebody could
fix these :D
Some good suggestions, thanks!
1. The auto complete is great but its behaviour is a bit non-standard.
Currently only enter chooses the currently highlighted item and jumps
to the next
Matt White wrote:
The alternative to the above (although it would be good in its own
right) would be a change to the way a t junction is made. every time I
connect a way that is perpendicular to an existing stright way, it
creates the joining node, but it often shifts the new node a little
SteveC wrote:
On 27 Feb 2008, at 10:58, Richard Fairhurst wrote:
Excel's not the same. Excel doesn't autocomplete at all (at least on
the OS X 2001 version) unless you press the cursor keys to select
from
What, you don't use Numbers?
Only just got iWork '08 and started playing. Pages
David Ebling wrote:
I too am not going to spend much more time
contributing to OSM unless someone comes up with a
solution to this. As I said, I simply don't have the
skills to do it myself, but the prospect of someone (a
commercial map company getting worried for example)
coming along and
Dave Stubbs wrote:
RichardF: the mega-patch I sent you actually fixes this.
:) Thanks!
Hope to deploy the mega-patch this weekend once this dratted deadline
is out of the way.
cheers
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Blake Crosby wrote:
Duplication and/or reproduction of this map for commercial use is
strictly prohibited.
Does this jive with OSMs licence? Ie, can I use this map as a reference?
No. The non-commercial clause isn't compatible with OSM.
cheers
Richard
Gary Morin wrote:
Does the OSM allow me to convert and supply the data this way? I would be
more than happy to make the converted MapGuide data available for pubic
access.
Yep.
I think I should be able to pass the data on to my clients. But as soon as
my clients use it for work and overly
Frederik Ramm wrote:
And it is ok for them that whatever clever technical attribution
scheme you devise is immediately switched off when OSM maps are
viewed through something else than osm.org (e.g. informationfreeway,
cyclemap, ...) whom you cannot force to use your technical solution?
SteveC wrote:
OL is the slippy map on the front page. The rest of it is custom ruby
on rails.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Component_overview
is helpful.
(The main editors are JOSM [Java] and Potlatch [Flash]; the main
renderers are Mapnik [C++] and Osmarender [XSLT/SVG]. There
Robin Paulson wrote:
[adding attribution to the Mapnik layer]
bear with me here, i'm not sure what you mean:
what is the serious cartographic issue, and why is it a problem?
It looks pug ugly!
Not a lot more that I can say than that, but I'll try. It performs an
interesting social function
Lester Caine wrote:
When you jump into some of the links provided HERE you may have no
idea in the
world where you are, so a banner line with 'Auckland, New Zealand'
would be
very useful anyway?
In some circumstances. But over and above a basic attribution
requirement, you should not
Ulf Lamping wrote:
Frederik Ramm schrieb:
Well. Before there were no vineyards on the map. And the discussion
was rather dead. What do you expect me to do, start a vote or just do
it in a way that works and gets vineyards on the map
Well, I'd expect you to start a vote just like anyone else
Sven Grüner wrote:
That once again throws up the general question which purpose the
(official) maps displayed at openstreetmap.org should serve.
A) Should they be a neat, beautiful (street-) map flattering the
eyes of
people who are used to the map-design of Google?
or
B) Should they
Frederik Ramm wrote:
PS: is there any work being done into finally properly supporting
route
relations in the editors? It still randomly happens now and then that
routes get broken because an editor lets a user split or join roads
with relations on them.
I have ideas how to handle this in
Frederik Ramm wrote:
I'd be happy to hear from you about such areas of bad rendering,
whether they are bugs in there renderer(s) or just things that are
ugly for some reason.
Label placement (as Steve's flagged) and generalisation (i.e.
stretching the geographical truth to convey the
(cc:ed to talk-gb for NPE relevance, follow-ups as appropriate)
Hi all,
I'm delighted to say Potlatch v0.8 is now live (thanks Tom!).
== Relations support ==
Thanks to Dave Stubbs, Potlatch now has really good support for
relations. This means you can easily create long-distance routes,
Frederik Ramm wrote:
... and the DESC nicely explains the observation that all arrows are
in the wrong direction! I wonder why it is there.
Because you want the most recent ones first?
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Frederik Ramm wrote:
Does any application *not* read all pages returned?
Well, in Potlatch the download points in current area is the primary
method of reading tracklogs (as - mercifully - it doesn't have any
access to your local file system), so yes, it does return only the
most recent
tim wrote:
Interesting. Theres a rumour going around about there being similar
villages in Scotland.
The problem is, though, that the namefinder is too good at spotting them.
With just a few queries I've used it to identify:
Fake Minaret Road
Rossie the Fake Dam
Lie North Service Road
Joke
Christian Nold wrote:
What I would love is if someone could grab me about 6km diameter of
OSM data as some kind of vector data format that I could work with in
Illustrator.
If anyone's got a OSM UK db on their machine (I don't without driving
80 miles, I'm afraid), they can generate an
Robert Vollmert wrote:
I may be missing something, but why would we need to introduce a read-
only attribution tag if we already have it? It's the source tag of the
first version of an object, in
http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/objtype/id/history
applauds
cheers
Richard
Pieren Pieren wrote:
Potlach history just says 'anonymous'. The way was created with JOSM.
I thought that such anonymous editions are not possible since Nov. 2007.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Disabling_anonymous_edits
Axel von Matern wrote:
What I have found when searching the archives and else on Internet
seem very complicated and outadet processes to do this. I found a web
service that could make svg files out of gps files, but the vectors
where totally segmented and therby useless.
As yet there's not
Relations are a super-powerful tool and permit all kinds of
whizziness (cycle routes, bus routes, areas with holes, dual
carriageways, etc.). This much we know.
On looking through the latest UK planet excerpt, though, I note a
handful of cases where they're being used for simple road refs.
David Earl wrote:
In the UK, road numbers are unique (apart from about three cases
where local councils have cocked up, e.g. the B4027) and no
road can
have more than one ref.
Not true - the A11 and A14 share about 10 miles of dual carriageway
around the north of Newmarket,
Frederik Ramm wrote:
In the UK, road numbers are unique (apart from about three cases
where local councils have cocked up, e.g. the B4027) and no road can
have more than one ref. The relation doesn't give any info over and
above that in the standard 'ref' tags - it just increases complexity
Robert (Jamie) Munro wrote:
If that is the case, then the relationship is essential to convey the
route of the A11 information. If the road just has 2 numbers, then it
isn't - just a semi-colon in the ref would do.
But bearing in mind that this section _isn't_ the A11 and to tag it
as such
Alex S. wrote:
In the US, there are many highways which carry more than one official
ref number across long stretches. For example, US-12 shares roadway
with sections of I-5, I-82 and I-182 in Washington State, but both
signs
are on the side of the roadway in these sections.
Sure, and in
Steve Hill wrote:
Don't road numbers in brackets generally mean leads to rather
than part
of?
[...]
I'm not sure anyone is saying it is wrong, merely unnecessary and
prone to
causing confusion/errors.
+1.
Relations are for doing things that can't otherwise be done, or done
well. But
Lester Caine wrote:
I harp back to *MY* original request.
I thought you might. ;)
That there is a mechanism created for
managing hierarchical data properly.
You can superimpose a structure on OSM two ways: either through
forcing the data to be entered and tagged in a certain way, or
Lester Caine wrote:
I repeat - WHERE are you getting that information by zooming out.
Nothing says that this group of islands is the Philippines
They're just right and down a bit from Hong Kong, which is where the
Philippines are generally to be found.
The easy way to distinguish them
Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote:
I suggest setting up a server dedicated to grabbing a planet every week,
processing it for boundaries, and automatically generating the is_in tags.
Server and boundary-processing is great; don't think we should
automatically add is_in tags, though. If (as you, Andy
Lester Caine wrote:
But that only addresses one small 'problem' and misses the bigger one of
finding 'all the golf courses in England' or 'all the Islands in the
Philippines'.
No, not necessarily. Because the boundary data is freely available,
whether in raw planet.osm form or in
Chris Hill wrote:
The national Byway cycle route passes close to my home, so I'd
like to add it to the map. The Wiki [1] suggests that I add to the
relation 9327. How do I do this when the existing parts of the
relation are far away so I cannot get the existing plus the new on
either
Frederik Ramm wrote:
Patrick Weber wrote:
Just wanted to congratulate whoever was involved in the development of
the Export tab.
+1. I guess it was TomH's work and there's no reason not to announce
such a major development on the lists (for the benefit of those who
don't use the trac RSS
Shaun McDonald wrote:
Right click in flash only brings up a system menu for Adobe Flash
settings and about the flash plugin. I believe that developers cannot
use the right click in flash. (Please correct me if I'm wrong).
Happy to oblige. :) You can customise the right-click menu from
Frederik Ramm wrote:
I am quite confused now about dragging the map. Many have said that
using the mouse with JOSM on the Macs does not work very well. But
then I am told you can use Ctrl rightclick simulation to do the
dragging, and others again say that some applications would use the
Karl Newman wrote:
As someone else aptly put it earlier: OSM is about being machine-readable,
otherwise it might as well be OpenAerialMap.
Yes and no. It has to be machine-readable, true, but our USP is our
active mapper userbase. So the design, accepting that it facilitates
both, should
Chris Hill wrote:
I enjoy some of the signs I see while I'm out gathering tracks.
While cycling the Pennine Cycleway last week, I saw
RED SQUIRRELS DRIVE SLOWLY
which is clearly a lie.
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Stephen Hope wrote:
I think it's just as important to have a list of models NOT to buy.
The one recommendation I'd give is: if you're expecting to be at all
serious about OSM, grit your teeth and pay for a decent Garmin.
I'm now using an eTrex Legend HCx (having started with a basic yellow
Kai Krueger wrote:
I would be interested to hear how you would rate that solution
compared to one involving a bluetooth GPS mouse and using e.g. a
cell phone to do the recording and display of OSM maps.
Well, you can do anything if you connect a Bluetooth GPS mouse to a
sufficiently
On 24 Apr 2008, at 13:23, Steve Hill wrote:
But in common software, do the objects have an explicit type? In
OpenStreetMap they do not - the type is determined by a bunch of
arbitrary
tags, for which you need background knowledge of which tags define the
object type and which just define
Jonathan Bennett wrote:
What we also
need is editing software that hides the complexity of namespaces from
the user. JOSM and Potlatch both present the user with a flat list of
key/value pairs, which is great for people like me who get a perverse
pleasure from typing in complex strings, but
elvin ibbotson wrote:
JOSM imports waypoints with GPX tracks and I would like to see
Potlatch do the same
It does (and has done for a while). One user seems to be having
problems with GPXs created by the bundled Garmin software, but it
certainly works with those created by gpsbabel.
elvin ibbotson wrote:
OK, now we're completely off the original topic :-)
Thanks for the tip, Richard. I hope I'm not the only user who
didn't know that.
Probably not!
I'm occasionally posting Potlatch tips and news here:
http://potlatchosm.wordpress.com/
(And it's aggregated in Planet
Back in March I asked for user-friendly GPS datalogger
recommendations, and a handful of people kindly posted their
experiences.
One unit that people were interested in was the Holux M-241. The main
downside seemed to be that it would only record a trackpoint every 5s.
I gather there's now
David Earl wrote:
If nothing else, Richard, can the apparent bug with the mode
buttons be
fixed and the text make it clearer that live data is being changed
when
you press start?
It's not a bug as such - it's currently intentional that it defaults
to edit the data - but I do agree
Shaun McDonald wrote:
I see this behaviour in Safari too. Also if you just go and start
working on the data, it assumes start/live mode. I think this should
be made modal, so that you can't accidentally choose the live mode,
when play is the one that is really wanted. It would be nice to have
Frederik Ramm wrote:
People use Potlatch because it is much quicker to load, learn, and
use. This would not be diminished by a save button
On which point we disagree, I suspect irreconcilably; and
respectfully I suggest the greater cause of OSM usability would be
better served by us each
Ulf Lamping wrote:
This all sounds you're trying to cure the pain of not using buffered
editing with adding another concept that will add another layer of
confusion ...
Fine. I'm really not going to attempt and convince anyone here - one
has to be a bit of a pig-headed UI fascist to develop
David Groom wrote:
It would be nice if it were easier to roll back peoples changes through :)
Happily:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Monitoring_and_Rollback_Hack-a-thon_London
is this weekend :)
cheers
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Sebastian Spaeth wrote:
you like it just because step 4 out of the 123 is start potlatch.
admit it! ;-)
Damn, rumbled...
5. Send token of appreciation to Potlatch programmer
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Andy Robinson \(blackadder\) wrote:
Perhaps this is the better way to think about it. I generally don't like
subjective tagging, but in this instance giving an opinion about how usable
a section of way is might be better. If you simplified bike types into
road, hybrid and mtb then I guess you
Robin Paulson wrote:
richard, i see you've rolled out some changes as part of potlatch
0.8c, including huge thick ways...could you roll them back please?
they're very obtrusive and obscure a lot of the yahoo imagery
underneath.
Heh, you can't please all the people all the time - the
0.8c is one of those little things that mean a lot updates:
- When you add a point into a way where it crosses another way,
Potlatch automatically makes an intersection.
- Points and ways are now bigger at high zoom levels for those people
without superhuman fine motor skills. (But you can turn
[warning - long ponderous e-mail follows!]
Hi all,
A fairly weighty issue concerning the future of Potlatch has arisen,
and I'm completely baffled as to what to do - so I thought I'd ask the
community for thoughts and advice.
CloudMade (Steve and Nick's VC-funded company set up to
Thanks for some really helpful and interesting responses. (Thanks
especially to Tom C for a very valuable perspective.)
-- API
The API has come up a lot. I've said before and will happily restate
now that I think it would be great to get Potlatch talking Rails on
the serverside, rather
OJ W wrote:
Is there a way to turn off map data on potlatch, for when you want to
zoom-out and look at something on the satellite photos, but don't want
to trouble OSM with downloading an entire town's data that you're not
planning to use?
There's a request I've not heard before!
Not
Christopher Schmidt wrote:
Richard is likely limited by the Yahoo! Flash API: I expect that
there's
a fair chance that Yahoo! hasn't updated their Flash API to provide
the
new zoom levels that the main API added 2-3 weeks ago (Yahoo added
more
zoom levels worldwide at that time).
SteveC wrote:
I and others have been doing a lot of fixing of TIGER data all over
the US.
Here's a very good example with before and after shots:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Bridger/diary/1550
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Jukka Rahkonen wrote:
It seems to be (too) easy to move the whole selected way with
Potlatch 0.9 by
dragging from between two nodes. But what is the right way to undo
the
unintended move? It looks like hitting the Esc key does not cancel
the move
correctly, at least not for the
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