Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Poland

2011-12-06 Thread Simon Poole
Not that this is confidential, but this should have actually gone to the LWG. Simon Am 06.12.2011 22:34, schrieb Simon Poole: I had a short conversation with Marek Kleciak (Polish mapper living in Germany). He pointed out that the people that we probably should be talking to, to get

Re: [OSM-talk] License Change View on OSM

2011-12-13 Thread Simon Poole
I've started work on producing Garmin maps based on Frederiks data: http://odbl.poole.ch/garmin/ While still very experimental, they should already be useful. Simon ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Editing of content that will be deleted on April 1st

2011-12-13 Thread Simon Poole
David I'm not quite sure where you got your numbers from, but it is clear that in terms of outright deletions we are talking of less than 5%. See odbl.poole.ch Simon David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com schrieb: On Tuesday, December 13, 2011, Jo winfi...@gmail.com wrote: Critical mass is

Re: [OSM-talk] Editing of content that will be deleted on April 1st

2011-12-14 Thread Simon Poole
: The numbers come from Frederik's map and some areas really look dramatic. odbl.poole.ch http://odbl.poole.ch and http://odbl.de come to very optimistic conclusions. Possibly because they only consider the last contributor to an object or another metric which doesn't hold water. Jo 2011/12/14 Simon

Re: [OSM-talk] Who mapped it first with ref to forth coming deletions

2011-12-14 Thread Simon Poole
Yes. There are a large number of situations were depending on - sequence of edit operations - intermediate upload and generation of new object ids you will get different owners of objects. This is why it is highly likely that split and mergers will not be taken in to account in any automatic

Re: [OSM-talk] tools for the transition (was: Editing of content that will be deleted on April 1st)

2011-12-14 Thread Simon Poole
Am 14.12.2011 14:08, schrieb Hillsman, Edward: Two requests to help us prioritize our work: . Right now we are remapping and contacting in the dark. Bad customer service is We are changing things, you deal with it. Good customer service is We need to make some changes, we

[OSM-talk] ODBL Status Garmin Maps

2011-12-15 Thread Simon Poole
As I previously mentioned, I have put a set of Garmin maps online that are based on Frederik Ramms data for his online viewer. I've now included a couple of more regions and a 2nd map style. I expect to update the European maps on a daily base, the others less frequently for now. The maps

Re: [OSM-talk] Transition to CC-4 instead of destroying data

2011-12-15 Thread Simon Poole
Am 15.12.2011 16:33, schrieb Ed Avis: ... They did not compare the new CTs with the terms the project had before, which essentially said that you agree to license under CC-BY-SA, and which might be equally effective at addressing the joint work problem if it exists. We do not yet know.

Re: [OSM-talk] Garmin ETREX 10

2011-12-15 Thread Simon Poole
I believe you would be better off getting a 20 or 30. Both can use maps generated from OSM data (it is helpful to know what is already in the database when you go out surveying). Simon Am 15.12.2011 19:59, schrieb Frans Thamura: hi all any comment for Garmin etrex 10 for using OSM specific

Re: [OSM-talk] Garmin ETREX 10

2011-12-15 Thread Simon Poole
Doesn't officially support maps, no storage expansion (microSD card) support. Simon Am 15.12.2011 20:08, schrieb Frans Thamura: what is the weakness of etrex 10? F On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 2:04 AM, Simon Poolesi...@poole.ch wrote: I believe you would be better off getting a 20 or 30.

Re: [OSM-talk] Permission for my work

2011-12-16 Thread Simon Poole
http://odbl.poole.ch/croatia-20110919-20111212-poly.html Shows that Mike created 83 non-highway ways plus a lot of nodes, no edits on V1 OK stuff. Simon Am 16.12.2011 11:08, schrieb Janko Mihelic': It seems odbl.de http://odbl.de isn't very accurate at dividing data. It says here you

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] instead of replacing data can I just revert to the last known clean version?

2011-12-16 Thread Simon Poole
See https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1pPOFHo_o5inG9Ereh3Zn5ItmctZGRFbcmnKwtbyNkdM item 7 Am 16.12.2011 14:08, schrieb Steve Bennett: On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 7:03 PM, Frederik Rammfrede...@remote.org wrote: * Agreeing user A creates the node with amenity=restaurant * Disagreeing user

Re: [OSM-talk] Finding mappers by e-mail address

2011-12-16 Thread Simon Poole
First (correct me Tom if I'm wrong) we don't seem to have a very high bounce percentage. 2nd naturally we could work around the privacy and data protection issues (for example by having an OSMF WG to investigate such addresses) if we thought that the effort would be worth it (see above). Just

Re: [OSM-talk] Transition to CC-4 instead of destroying data

2011-12-17 Thread Simon Poole
While this discussion is on the wrong list, I do believe one further comment is necessary. The upgrade clause in 4.b of CC-by-SA 2.0 a) only applies to a Derivative Work. While this is only a small hurdle to surmount, it does mean that it doesn't apply to a one-to-one copy of the work

Re: [OSM-talk] Transition to CC-4 instead of destroying data

2011-12-19 Thread Simon Poole
Am 19.12.2011 13:21, schrieb Ed Avis:. Are there any problems with CC-BY-SA 2.0 relating specifically to the contribution of content by individual mappers to the OSMF servers? Are you worried that individual mappers have not transferred their sui generis database rights, or something else?

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] feedback requested

2011-12-21 Thread Simon Poole
I belive there are two parts to this - one the specific action of moving a (untagged) node - the more general statement, that an OSM object does not per se carry any IPR. An analogon if you like, would be a pre-numbered sheet of paper. This covers reuse of OSM-objects which have essentially

Re: [OSM-talk] Looking Forward

2011-12-24 Thread Simon Poole
With respect to Strict Tagging Rules this is my contribution :-) (from #osm-dev typos edited) [00:36] * simonpoole thinks that it would be as step forward if we would simply have official tags with a well defined official value space (we will probably always have to live with national

Re: [OSM-talk] Things People Say

2011-12-30 Thread Simon Poole
I'm not quite sure where this rather emotional discussion is supposed to lead. There is nothing stopping anybody from building this great hunking online map site with OSM-data with all the whizz-bang features they want (and it is conceivable that the OSMF could support such an enterprise

[OSM-talk] CLEANMAP global version

2012-01-11 Thread Simon Poole
A number of you have probably already seen CLEANMAP in its original incarnation as announced on Christmas. I've now expanded it to cover the whole planet and have made some further changes (odbl=clean support for example). Please read the wiki page

Re: [OSM-talk] CLEANMAP global version

2012-01-11 Thread Simon Poole
in Leaflet? It makes it slightly harder for my visual cortex to spot changes. There are a number of issues due to limitations in the current Leaflet implementation, most of them are on my ToDo list. Simon -mike. On Jan 11, 2012, at 7:44 AM, Simon Poole wrote: A number of you have probably

Re: [OSM-talk] CLEANMAP global version

2012-01-12 Thread Simon Poole
It doesn't change the geometry of objects, but individual tagged nodes -are- hidden. The US is a special case as you say. For more detailed information, I would naturally use the OSMI inspector licence view, or the Garmin map overlays (on the road). Simon Am 12.01.2012 10:47, schrieb Nathan

Re: [OSM-talk] Nove podloge

2012-01-15 Thread Simon Poole
These maps seem to be derived from non-US sources (maps) that may actually still be copyrighted. Has there been any formal and official statements on the status? Simon Am 15.01.2012 23:26, schrieb hbogner: He forgot the translation :D New imagery Hi from croatia mappers! The U.S.

Re: [OSM-talk] Nove podloge

2012-01-15 Thread Simon Poole
/15 Simon Poole si...@poole.ch mailto:si...@poole.ch These maps seem to be derived from non-US sources (maps) that may actually still be copyrighted. Has there been any formal and official statements on the status? Simon Am 15.01.2012 23:26, schrieb hbogner: He

Re: [OSM-talk] what is happening here - potlatch oddness with orange highlights?

2012-01-16 Thread Simon Poole
Am 16.01.2012 23:27, schrieb Robin Paulson: http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?lat=-36.878407lon=174.741523zoom=19 the landuse polygon has an orange highlight on it, why does it do that? You have the licence status highlighting turned on. IMHO a good idea (I've been petitioning RichardF to

Re: [OSM-talk] CLEANMAP global version

2012-01-18 Thread Simon Poole
for the selected region Please note that the statistics function only supports small bounding boxes and is not intended for large scale use. Simon Am 11.01.2012 16:44, schrieb Simon Poole: A number of you have probably already seen CLEANMAP in its original incarnation as announced on Christmas

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetBugs is offline

2012-01-31 Thread Simon Poole
There was an article on heise online. Simon Am 31.01.2012 15:07, schrieb Mitja Kleider: Hi, short notice: The server running OpenStreetBugs was under heavy load today. OpenStreetBugs is now offline. Do you know where osmbugs.org was featured? Technical details: The old implementation does

Re: [OSM-talk] odbl non-agreement and humanitarian exceptions.

2012-02-02 Thread Simon Poole
http://odbl.poole.ch/haiti-domrep-20111208-20120201-poly.html Most of Mirkos stuff is in Santo Domingo so not that relevant. Simon Am 02.02.2012 17:46, schrieb Michael Collinson: On 02/02/2012 16:23, Larry O'Neill wrote: Hi All, Apologies for any overlap in recipients for this - I very

Re: [OSM-talk] Contact And Remap Campaign

2012-02-09 Thread Simon Poole
With the exception of a couple of edge cases, all the necessary information and tools exists. And can be easily found on this list and on the wiki. For example: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Remapping Simon Am 09.02.2012 13:32, schrieb Václav Řehák: Therefore I can't see any reason

Re: [OSM-talk] Contact And Remap Campaign

2012-02-09 Thread Simon Poole
Am 09.02.2012 14:06, schrieb Jaakko Helleranta.com: but I think it could be a good idea to have at least a month or two of time between the time when undecideds are considered accepted and before the switch/cleanup is done in the data, Just because somebody aired the idea here that

Re: [OSM-talk] Contact And Remap Campaign

2012-02-09 Thread Simon Poole
Am 09.02.2012 15:15, schrieb Václav Řehák: 2012/2/9 Simon Poolesi...@poole.ch: With the exception of a couple of edge cases, all the necessary information and tools exists. And can be easily found on this list and on the wiki. For example: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Remapping I went

Re: [OSM-talk] Contact And Remap Campaign

2012-02-10 Thread Simon Poole
IMHO the major issue with not deleting non-responders work, is not so much that we couldn't take the stance that we simply leave it in till somebody complains, but the fact that other contributors build on top of this data. It is bad enough that a substantial amount of work from agreers will

Re: [OSM-talk] Contact And Remap Campaign

2012-02-13 Thread Simon Poole
The PD check box is purely advisory, see http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/We_Are_Changing_The_License#What_Are_The_Choices.3F Note that the CTs guarantee that required attribution will survive any future licence changes (or data with such requirements would have to be removed) so

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Contact And Remap Campaign

2012-02-13 Thread Simon Poole
Am 13.02.2012 12:33, schrieb Frederik Ramm: This can be read - as Simon seems to do it - to mean the CTs guarantee that required attribution will survive any future licence changes, but I think he's on thin ice there; in my reading, the CTs promise that OSMF will provide attribution, not

[OSM-talk] Logins that differ only in case .... (accepting CT/ODbL )

2012-02-27 Thread Simon Poole
There is a fair number (over 2000) of accounts where the login name only differs in case and not all variants have accepted the CTs. Now while this actually be different users, we do know of quite a few contributors that have simply created multiple accounts per accident. The list can be

Re: [OSM-talk] Logins that differ only in case .... (accepting CT/ODbL )

2012-02-27 Thread Simon Poole
I've slightly updated the list based on uid list from the current full history planet. Alas the problem is worse (~2700), probably due to contributors wanting to agree to the new terms, but instead creating new accounts. Simon Am 27.02.2012 13:25, schrieb Simon Poole: There is a fair number

Re: [OSM-talk] FourSquare and OSM

2012-03-07 Thread Simon Poole
There will probably be a heads up immediately before work on the DB starts. If you are concerned about the effects of the change, it would be best to simply stop consuming the diffs at that point in time and reimport the planet after the changeover, when you feel that is appropriate (note: that

[OSM-talk] Database Rebuild scheduled to start on the 27th of March 2012

2012-03-21 Thread Simon Poole
See http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/Rebuild_Plan ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Database Rebuild scheduled to start on the 27th of March 2012

2012-03-22 Thread Simon Poole
We've been through this multiple times, but here we go again: a) there is no one to one relationship between wiki accounts and osm accounts b) the meaning of the PD-checkbox can't be reinterpreted after the fact (yes it was not a very good idea to make it non-binding, but that is the way it is)

Re: [OSM-talk] Database Rebuild scheduled to start on the 27th of March 2012

2012-03-22 Thread Simon Poole
out of anything :-). Simon Am 22.03.2012 11:09, schrieb sabas88: Il giorno 22/mar/2012 11:00, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch mailto:si...@poole.ch ha scritto: c) we are providing mechanisms (changeset level overrides, adoption) that allow PD data to be carried forward, preferably after

Re: [OSM-talk] Database Rebuild scheduled to start on the 27th of March 2012

2012-03-22 Thread Simon Poole
The PD check box doesn't influence anything, so as a consequence it doesn't cause any problems either. Simon Am 22.03.2012 11:20, schrieb sabas88: Il giorno 22/mar/2012 11:14, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch mailto:si...@poole.ch ha scritto: Not quite sure what your question is, but yes

Re: [OSM-talk] ODbL-clean Coastlines

2012-03-24 Thread Simon Poole
I was just going to suggest this, while it limits you to CC_by-SA 2.0 as a licence for tiles (or similar), there is no reason that you couldn't use a pre-licence change coastline for rendering (in the case of the main OSM site, the tiles are going to remain CC-by-SA 2.0 anyway). Simon Am

Re: [OSM-talk] Database Rebuild scheduled to start on the 27th of March 2012

2012-03-24 Thread Simon Poole
Am 24.03.2012 16:42, schrieb Russ Nelson: Simon Poole writes: b) the meaning of the PD-checkbox can't be reinterpreted after the fact Yes, it can, and it should be. If I make a public declaration that I do not intend to pursue copyright claims against anybody, or that I think

Re: [OSM-talk] Applications systematically consuming Bing Aerial tiles

2012-03-29 Thread Simon Poole
Sorry, but your statement wrt Bing imagery is not true (and very silly). Just because Bing/MS may have committed a minor breach of CC-by-SA 2.0 terms doesn't change anything wrt their rights in their products. You may naturally ask them to cease distributing such material and could potentially

Re: [OSM-talk] An example photo/video mapping trip

2012-04-11 Thread Simon Poole
Am 10.04.2012 15:51, schrieb Nikhil Upadhye: . I would request if anyone has such images/videos along with gpx file to share here as these will be helpful while developing the plugin. I have something like 3000 videos with associated GPS tracks, so if you need any material just ask.

Re: [OSM-talk] License change/redaction affecting objects geometry

2012-04-12 Thread Simon Poole
Am 12.04.2012 11:01, schrieb Pieren: .. Last option is to do nothing since we already have many quality assurance tools ([2]) monitoring the contributions. This is IMHO by far the best way of handling any post redaction issues (not necessarily the easiest one). Simon

Re: [OSM-talk] Copy-and-paste remapping

2012-05-28 Thread Simon Poole
Sorry, but if I understood what you have done correctly, it is not necessary. Pavel has not agreed to the CTs (because of the couple of changesets that he imported with wikipedia data), his changesets that are ok are already listed on the page. It is NOT necessary to add the bad changesets

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM : It's a shame !!!

2012-05-29 Thread Simon Poole
The node referenced created by cetest will not survive redaction (and I assume the rest of data to be similar), and neither do the edits on the way indicate anything other than normal editing (see http://osm.mapki.com/history/way.php?id=7539781). I am slightly at a loss to see what exactly Gert

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines review

2012-06-11 Thread Simon Poole
That is naturally offset by big empty places, being EMPTY (except if you are in to mapping non-road stuff, but then you get what you deserve). Simon Am 11.06.2012 15:08, schrieb Stephen Hope: Or how big almost any place not in Europe is. I still remember somebody suggesting a kayak safari

Re: [OSM-talk] Custom Imagery

2012-06-18 Thread Simon Poole
If you have your imagery in the typical GeoTIFF format at least for small areas the Import Image plugin will allow you to use it directly. If you have a larger area it may make sense to tile the data and set-up your own server (however the tiling is a rather slow process). Simon Am 18.06.2012

Re: [OSM-talk] Licence redaction ready to begin

2012-07-09 Thread Simon Poole
The OSMF has commited to keeping the last planet files (both normal and history) available on CC by-SA 2.0 terms. I haven't heard of any change in this policy so I assume it is still current. Simon PS: I personally consider that a big mistake, but then that is just me. Am 09.07.2012 23:00,

Re: [OSM-talk] Update on redaction bot

2012-07-14 Thread Simon Poole
There are currently three open issues that we know of, for one we probably have a solution. The issue that has a fixed will probably turn up in continental Europe a lot (relations that switch back and forward between MP and boundary) so we definitely want to have that in place and tested before

Re: [OSM-talk] Update on redaction bot

2012-07-14 Thread Simon Poole
PS: most of the UK and all of Ireland has worked on. If anybody finds issues outside of the regions that have only been partially processed, please bring them to the attention of the team working on the redaction. Am 14.07.2012 11:55, schrieb Simon Poole: There are currently three open issues

[OSM-talk] Task Manager for Remapping Efforts

2012-07-21 Thread Simon Poole
I've set up a task manager on http://rebuild.poole.ch/ (it is simply a further instance of the HOT tasking server) to support and coordinate what ever remapping efforts can be carried out by arm chair mapping. You can log in with your existing OSM credentials. If you want to add jobs send mail

Re: [OSM-talk] Redaction finished already?

2012-07-25 Thread Simon Poole
Am 25.07.2012 21:50, schrieb Jan Kučera: Ok so are imports allowed again? Imports are by their intrinsic nature never urgent (it is not as if the 3rd party data is going to vanish if you don't import it today). I would strongly suggest doing something more useful, like helping with remapping

Re: [OSM-talk] Redaction finished already?

2012-07-26 Thread Simon Poole
Am 26.07.2012 06:28, schrieb Robin Paulson: On 26 July 2012 08:17, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: Imports are by their intrinsic nature never urgent (it is not as if the 3rd party data is going to vanish if you don't import it today). I would strongly suggest doing something more useful

[OSM-talk] Final results lost mappers task force

2012-08-02 Thread Simon Poole
As some may remember from mid-February 2012 to essentially up to the redaction bot started running, the LWG undertook to get in contact with largest remaining non-responders that hadn't accepted the new contributor terms. We worked through two lists of roughly 1000 contributors each. The first

Re: [OSM-talk] Final results lost mappers task force

2012-08-03 Thread Simon Poole
AM, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: From an original 1014 contributors in the first group a total of 495 agreed, resulting in a nearly 50% success rate. Of the 2nd group of 959, 362 agreed, giving a success rate of 38%. There was naturally some acceptances in both groups that weren't directly

Re: [OSM-talk] Ipatinga, Brazil, is gone

2012-08-07 Thread Simon Poole
There seems to be very good imagery present there, so I've added a job to rebuild.poole.ch Simon Am 07.08.2012 08:25, schrieb popp...@hm.edu: I used the remaining nodes to create some highways. You may have to split them into smaller parts according to the real world. Its best to find a local

Re: [OSM-talk] License Change plans?

2012-08-16 Thread Simon Poole
The LWG meets once per week and, you wouldn't believe it, in general has its minutes online shortly afterwards. Our take on the change over is here: https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1j4wiDqukbRGNDh9kC-cUL6j3t4NhlcVgancqieHywK0 Work has been progressing on the open issue listen in item 6,

Re: [OSM-talk] Licence change

2012-09-12 Thread Simon Poole
Maurizio We currently have a bit of a mess wrt how we manage external data sources and imports. Currently each source should have: - a wiki page with the details - in the case of an import a dedicated user account - an entry in the import catalogue - if attribution is necessary outside of

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines OSMF/DWG governance

2012-09-18 Thread Simon Poole
The changes to the guidelines should be seen in the light of the original text being very OSMish, trying to leave some wiggle room and trying not to come over as an absolute law, but I believe the intention was always that seperate accounts would be the norm. In reality a large number of

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines OSMF/DWG governance

2012-09-18 Thread Simon Poole
Am 18.09.2012 15:55, schrieb Pieren: On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: The licence change process in particular turned up a large number of (problematic and others) imports where the importers washed their hands of their responsibility and left the clean up

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines OSMF/DWG governance

2012-09-18 Thread Simon Poole
Am 18.09.2012 18:04, schrieb Christian Quest: We've drifted from a question about governance to a talk about usefulness of some kind of data in OSM which is something completely relative and personal. As I pointed out, usefulness of the data is outside the scope of this discussion. As far

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines OSMF/DWG governance

2012-09-18 Thread Simon Poole
Am 18.09.2012 18:54, schrieb Béland Pierre: Is it possible to discuss about governance wich is the subject of this thread? The reason I even touched on this subject is that each time the cadastre imports turn up it is somehow claimed that they are different from other imports and should be

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines OSMF/DWG governance

2012-09-20 Thread Simon Poole
I believe there is some misunderstanding of the relationship between OSM and OSMF. Am 20.09.2012 16:36, schrieb Christian Rogel: Le 20 sept. 2012 à 13:22, Lester Caine a écrit : sly (sylvain letuffe) wrote: We can get back to the topic of governance and discussion about those laws and who

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines OSMF/DWG governance

2012-09-21 Thread Simon Poole
Am 20.09.2012 22:38, schrieb Christian Rogel: So, as we have a DWG a making tremendous efforts for maintaining a good policy for the data (including the boring chase of proprietary ones), it may happen and it will happen more and more that a projected decision exceed the field of the data

Re: [OSM-talk] Bad (wrong?) OSM publicity?

2012-09-25 Thread Simon Poole
This is a game anybody can play. Could you we collect a couple of (best well known places) examples of iOS maps and how good they would have looked if they had really used OSM data, and forward them to the CWG (it probably takes too long to whip up a Apple look a like style in Tilemill or

Re: [OSM-talk] Multiple Layers for OSM

2012-09-25 Thread Simon Poole
This is nice, in my manifesto I even have an item on supporting research in to some kind of layer functionality, and now the discussion has started on its own :-). My thoughts - GIS-like layers are a no no, they increase dependencies in the data and we want to achieve the opposite. - any

Re: [OSM-talk] All you've ever wanted to know about the french cadastre

2012-09-27 Thread Simon Poole
Am 27.09.2012 14:25, schrieb Vladimir Vyskocil: On 27 sept. 2012, at 14:04, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: Now that I have scanned some of the French material I must say that it is of very low quality and all of the stuff I have reviewed needs at least SOME work to bring it up to a

Re: [OSM-talk] All you've ever wanted to know about the french cadastre

2012-09-27 Thread Simon Poole
Am 27.09.2012 15:03, schrieb THEVENON Julien: * De :* Simon Poole si...@poole.ch * *Supposedly the cadastre includes street names and house numbers, however * *of the 27 million buildings (plus 6 million wall=no) only a minuscule * *number have further information attached, matter of fact

Re: [OSM-talk] About attribution to authors

2012-09-29 Thread Simon Poole
Am 28.09.2012 18:16, schrieb Mike: Let's say, someone prepares data by recording it in the field, and then adds another value to data by sorting it out, fixing it and adding more information and details. And then he wants to include that data to OpenStreetMap. What is mean of giving proper

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-fr] Continued aggression against French contributors (cadastre integration)

2012-10-19 Thread Simon Poole
Am 19.10.2012 00:47, schrieb andrzej zaborowski: This is off topic in this thread, but I'd like to set the record straight. Who do you refer to as we when you say you had to spend any time sorting those changes? T Just so that it is clear to our dear readers: there is no doubt

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM import stats

2012-12-17 Thread Simon Poole
Am 17.12.2012 16:19, schrieb Brian DeRocher: Frederick and all, I found your SotM presentations on OSM imports regarding disks and stats.I just completed a full planet import via osm2pgsql. Are you interested in the stats from my import? I *think* there's a wiki page about import stats,

Re: [OSM-talk] Can Google use our data?

2013-01-05 Thread Simon Poole
I suppose the obvious question is: what was -your- source for the building outlines? It is a fair assumption that google is simply using the same. José Juan Sánchez del Arco jj_sanchez_alme...@live.com schrieb: Browsing the web I just realized that Google Maps is including some data to their

Re: [OSM-talk] RFC - OSM contributor mark

2013-01-14 Thread Simon Poole
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Logos#Logo_design_competitions Am 14.01.2013 19:12, schrieb Jeff Meyer: Are there any links to past design comps? Past teardrops? Dare I ask, past armpits? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] RFC - OSM contributor mark

2013-01-16 Thread Simon Poole
Alex Yes, there is at least a handful of contributors have had the link specified in discussion or/and agreement. While it is unlikely that it was put in writing that it should be one click away from the map, it would seem to be rather devious to simply move it without at least consultation. On

Re: [OSM-talk] Is osm.org broken on mobile phones for you?

2013-01-22 Thread Simon Poole
That is issue https://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/4697 in my experience it works with Chrome and Firefox, but not with the stock browser and Dolphin. Am 22.01.2013 17:11, schrieb Craig Wallace: .. On the default Browser on Android v4, I can pan the map and use pinch to

[OSM-talk] Recent edits in the wiki / Trademark issue

2013-02-01 Thread Simon Poole
Dear OSM Contributors As you may have noticed we have removed all links displaying the Google geocoding service from the wiki. These changes are a consequence of a legal issue with respect to the trademark GEOCODE owned by Geocode, Inc. of Alexandria, Virginia, USA. There are likely to be further

Re: [OSM-talk] Recent edits in the wiki / Trademark issue

2013-02-01 Thread Simon Poole
Because of the time constraints the removal of the google links is quite rough, however most (as in all except a handful) of the links were either old, outdated, or/and unused, as for example essentially all links to old errors in Google maps based on TeleAtlas data, which should have been

Re: [OSM-talk] Recent edits in the wiki / Trademark issue

2013-02-02 Thread Simon Poole
, schrieb Simon Poole: Because of the time constraints the removal of the google links is quite rough, however most (as in all except a handful) of the links were either old, outdated, or/and unused, as for example essentially all links to old errors in Google maps based on TeleAtlas data, which

Re: [OSM-talk] Paweł's q: what can be done?

2013-02-03 Thread Simon Poole
Am 03.02.2013 20:42, schrieb Paweł Paprota: . Nice way to interpret the data :-) Look closer and not only if the charts are rising and you can see a different picture: Number of users grew from 500k to 1M since some time in 2011 until January 2013:

Re: [OSM-talk] Takedown notices

2013-02-04 Thread Simon Poole
Am 04.02.2013 10:21, schrieb Lester Caine: OK - there is an 'official procedure' for dealing with copyright infringement documented on http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/Takedown_procedure through which even 'Cease and Desist' should be handled? It is normal practice nowadays to

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Question about copyrighted hiking routes in France

2013-02-21 Thread Simon Poole
There are two separate issues here. - the use of a trademark to refer to the routes in question - copyright of the route itself (in the sense that the sequence of way segments is considered a creative work, or potentially protected as a database) Both claims cannot simply be dismissed IMHO,

Re: [OSM-talk] additional layers on osm.org

2013-02-21 Thread Simon Poole
Somewhat off topic, but there is http://www.opengeoserver.at/ which is financed at least partly by wikimedia and I expect that they would gladly include further open imagery sources. Simon Am 21.02.2013 18:11, schrieb Robert Scott: On Thursday 21 February 2013, Joseph Reeves wrote: MapBox?

Re: [OSM-talk] Branding?

2013-02-22 Thread Simon Poole
A trademark and other IP use policy is one of the things the new OSMF board has on its agenda to come up with this year (there are a couple of pieces missing to make this work, but they are being worked on), it is likely to be a joint effort between the CWG, LWG and interested board members. The

Re: [OSM-talk] Branding?

2013-02-23 Thread Simon Poole
Am 23.02.2013 08:24, schrieb Robin Paulson: On 2013-02-23 09:05, Simon Poole wrote: A trademark and other IP use policy is one of the things the new OSMF How do we reconcile relatively permissive use of the OSM database, with relatively restrictive use of the Open Street Map name

Re: [OSM-talk] Revival: Multilingual Country-List

2013-02-25 Thread Simon Poole
In Switzerland we tried for a substantial amount of time to avoid using the name tag on the Swiss country node (since any single value would be wrong). Unluckily we could not stop our colleagues from a larger country in the north wanting to fiddle around with it and last year we decided to give

[OSM-talk] admin level 2 (country) border polygon oddities

2013-03-27 Thread Simon Poole
While preparing http://qa.poole.ch/addresses/ a couple of oddities with the border polygons turned up. Posting here so that locals can fix or at least review the cases. Lesotho http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/2093234 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/88206 near

Re: [OSM-talk] Why do we have so many registered users with zero edits ?

2013-04-13 Thread Simon Poole
Am 13.04.2013 13:50, schrieb Jean-Marc Liotier: . That is not heretical - it is perfectly fine that some people just want to add their pet POI and never come back. But that is infinitely more than the total lack of edit which is what I find puzzling. I think it is completely

Re: [OSM-talk] Why do we have so many registered users with zero edits ?

2013-04-13 Thread Simon Poole
Just a further data point. As of the end of last month we had edits from 324'152 unique UIDs, not quite 30% of all accounts (some of the changesets are likely to be empty, but the number is still quite a bit larger than the often quoted 200'000). While there is clearly room for improvement in

Re: [OSM-talk] Why do we have so many registered users with zero edits ?

2013-04-14 Thread Simon Poole
Am 14.04.2013 20:37, schrieb Werner Hoch: Am Sonntag, den 14.04.2013, 23:38 +1000 schrieb Steve Bennett: On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 11:33 PM, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: Just a further data point. As of the end of last month we had edits from 324'152 unique UIDs, not quite 30% of all

Re: [OSM-talk] Why do we have so many registered users with zero edits ?

2013-04-15 Thread Simon Poole
Sonntag, den 14.04.2013, 23:38 +1000 schrieb Steve Bennett: On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 11:33 PM, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: Just a further data point. As of the end of last month we had edits from 324'152 unique UIDs, not quite 30% of all accounts (some of the changesets are likely

Re: [OSM-talk] RFC updated: OSM Attribution Mark (was: contributor mark)

2013-04-22 Thread Simon Poole
The copyright page is now much better than before and IMHO contains the necessary contents. There are a couple of wording issues that are already present in the current version that we should address while we're at it (but that is mainly CWG/OWG turf) but nothing major. I do have a couple of

Re: [OSM-talk] RFC updated: OSM Attribution Mark (was: contributor mark)

2013-04-24 Thread Simon Poole
Before we get in to too much bike shedding: the CWG (as essentially our marketing arm) has been asking for more help for a long time. Net we have had less and less volunteers there over time. The CWG would clearly be the place to engage in such a discussion. I'm not sure that re-branding would

[OSM-talk] 2013 fund raising drive

2013-05-11 Thread Simon Poole
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[OSM-talk] Use of terms similar to GEOCODE

2013-05-23 Thread Simon Poole
As I promised in February I investigated with our North American counsel what they would consider acceptable use of terms similar to the GEOCODE trademark, they came back with examples that they all considered OK. I've created a wiki page for future reference

Re: [OSM-talk] Use of terms similar to GEOCODE

2013-05-23 Thread Simon Poole
that is unproblematic. Simon Am 23.05.2013 14:57, schrieb Maarten Deen: On 2013-05-23 14:38, Simon Poole wrote: As I promised in February I investigated with our North American counsel what they would consider acceptable use of terms similar to the GEOCODE trademark, they came back with examples that they all

Re: [OSM-talk] Use of terms similar to GEOCODE

2013-05-23 Thread Simon Poole
Am 23.05.2013 15:35, schrieb Maarten Deen: On 2013-05-23 15:10, Simon Poole wrote: Maarten, there is no need to start the discussion at square one again. We did what our counsel recommended in February as reported then (so you can safely assume that counsel saw a certain potential for trouble

Re: [OSM-talk] iD Editor live on OpenStreetMap

2013-05-24 Thread Simon Poole
Am 08.05.2013 17:10, schrieb razor74: The worst editor ewer. There is still (deleted) data in the database from an editor that got lat/lon confused what was the name again JOSM Simon ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Google Maps being praised for removing I-5 colasped bridge quickly

2013-05-25 Thread Simon Poole
Am 25.05.2013 13:09, schrieb Maarten Deen: On 2013-05-25 12:19, pec...@gmail.com wrote: For those who are still naive to think that journalists find out these things themselves: Google has huge amount of money to waste on PR. If last two years is evidence everyone is happy to advertise new

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