Not that this is confidential, but this should have actually gone to the
LWG.
Simon
Am 06.12.2011 22:34, schrieb Simon Poole:
I had a short conversation with Marek Kleciak (Polish mapper living in
Germany).
He pointed out that the people that we probably should be talking to,
to get
I've started work on producing Garmin maps based on Frederiks data:
http://odbl.poole.ch/garmin/
While still very experimental, they should already be useful.
Simon
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I'm not quite sure where you got your numbers from, but it is clear that in
terms of outright deletions we are talking of less than 5%.
See odbl.poole.ch
Simon
David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com schrieb:
On Tuesday, December 13, 2011, Jo winfi...@gmail.com wrote:
Critical mass is
:
The numbers come from Frederik's map and some areas really look
dramatic. odbl.poole.ch http://odbl.poole.ch and http://odbl.de come
to very optimistic conclusions. Possibly because they only consider
the last contributor to an object or another metric which doesn't hold
water.
Jo
2011/12/14 Simon
Yes.
There are a large number of situations were depending on
- sequence of edit operations
- intermediate upload and generation of new object ids
you will get different owners of objects.
This is why it is highly likely that split and mergers will not be
taken in to account in any automatic
Am 14.12.2011 14:08, schrieb Hillsman, Edward:
Two requests to help us prioritize our work:
.
Right now we are remapping and contacting in the dark. Bad customer service is We are
changing things, you deal with it. Good customer service is We need to make some
changes, we
As I previously mentioned, I have put a set of Garmin maps online that
are based on Frederik Ramms data for his online viewer.
I've now included a couple of more regions and a 2nd map style. I expect
to update the European maps on a daily base, the others less frequently
for now.
The maps
Am 15.12.2011 16:33, schrieb Ed Avis:
... They did not compare the new CTs with the terms the project had
before, which essentially said that you agree to license under
CC-BY-SA, and which might be equally effective at addressing the joint
work problem if it exists. We do not yet know.
I believe you would be better off getting a 20 or 30. Both can use maps
generated from OSM data (it is helpful to know what is already in the
database when you go out surveying).
Simon
Am 15.12.2011 19:59, schrieb Frans Thamura:
hi all
any comment for Garmin etrex 10 for using OSM specific
Doesn't officially support maps, no storage expansion (microSD card)
support.
Simon
Am 15.12.2011 20:08, schrieb Frans Thamura:
what is the weakness of etrex 10?
F
On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 2:04 AM, Simon Poolesi...@poole.ch wrote:
I believe you would be better off getting a 20 or 30.
http://odbl.poole.ch/croatia-20110919-20111212-poly.html
Shows that Mike created 83 non-highway ways plus a lot of nodes, no
edits on V1 OK stuff.
Simon
Am 16.12.2011 11:08, schrieb Janko Mihelic':
It seems odbl.de http://odbl.de isn't very accurate at dividing data.
It says here you
See
https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1pPOFHo_o5inG9Ereh3Zn5ItmctZGRFbcmnKwtbyNkdM
item 7
Am 16.12.2011 14:08, schrieb Steve Bennett:
On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 7:03 PM, Frederik Rammfrede...@remote.org wrote:
* Agreeing user A creates the node with amenity=restaurant
* Disagreeing user
First (correct me Tom if I'm wrong) we don't seem to have a very high
bounce percentage.
2nd naturally we could work around the privacy and data protection
issues (for example by having an OSMF WG to investigate such addresses)
if we thought that the effort would be worth it (see above). Just
While this discussion is on the wrong list, I do believe one further
comment is necessary.
The upgrade clause in 4.b of CC-by-SA 2.0
a) only applies to a Derivative Work. While this is only a small hurdle
to surmount, it does mean that it doesn't apply to a one-to-one copy of
the work
Am 19.12.2011 13:21, schrieb Ed Avis:.
Are there any problems with CC-BY-SA 2.0 relating specifically to the
contribution of content by individual mappers to the OSMF servers?
Are you worried that individual mappers have not transferred their sui
generis database rights, or something else?
I belive there are two parts to this
- one the specific action of moving a (untagged) node
- the more general statement, that an OSM object does not per se carry
any IPR. An analogon if you like, would be a pre-numbered sheet of
paper. This covers reuse of OSM-objects which have essentially
With respect to Strict Tagging Rules this is my contribution :-)
(from #osm-dev typos edited)
[00:36] * simonpoole thinks that it would be as step forward if we
would simply have official tags with a well defined official value
space (we will probably always have to live with national
I'm not quite sure where this rather emotional discussion is supposed to
lead.
There is nothing stopping anybody from building this great hunking
online map site with OSM-data with all the whizz-bang features they want
(and it is conceivable that the OSMF could support such an enterprise
A number of you have probably already seen CLEANMAP in its original
incarnation as announced on Christmas. I've now expanded it to cover the
whole planet and have made some further changes (odbl=clean support for
example).
Please read the wiki page
in
Leaflet? It makes it slightly harder for my visual cortex to spot changes.
There are a number of issues due to limitations in the current Leaflet
implementation, most of them are on my ToDo list.
Simon
-mike.
On Jan 11, 2012, at 7:44 AM, Simon Poole wrote:
A number of you have probably
It doesn't change the geometry of objects, but individual tagged nodes
-are- hidden. The US is a special case as you say.
For more detailed information, I would naturally use the OSMI inspector
licence view, or the Garmin map overlays (on the road).
Simon
Am 12.01.2012 10:47, schrieb Nathan
These maps seem to be derived from non-US sources (maps) that may
actually still be copyrighted. Has there been any formal and official
statements on the status?
Simon
Am 15.01.2012 23:26, schrieb hbogner:
He forgot the translation :D
New imagery
Hi from croatia mappers!
The U.S.
/15 Simon Poole si...@poole.ch mailto:si...@poole.ch
These maps seem to be derived from non-US sources (maps) that may
actually still be copyrighted. Has there been any formal and
official statements on the status?
Simon
Am 15.01.2012 23:26, schrieb hbogner:
He
Am 16.01.2012 23:27, schrieb Robin Paulson:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?lat=-36.878407lon=174.741523zoom=19
the landuse polygon has an orange highlight on it, why does it do that?
You have the licence status highlighting turned on. IMHO a good idea
(I've been petitioning RichardF to
for the selected region
Please note that the statistics function only supports small bounding
boxes and is not intended for large scale use.
Simon
Am 11.01.2012 16:44, schrieb Simon Poole:
A number of you have probably already seen CLEANMAP in its original
incarnation as announced on Christmas
There was an article on heise online.
Simon
Am 31.01.2012 15:07, schrieb Mitja Kleider:
Hi,
short notice: The server running OpenStreetBugs was under heavy load
today. OpenStreetBugs is now offline. Do you know where osmbugs.org was
featured?
Technical details: The old implementation does
http://odbl.poole.ch/haiti-domrep-20111208-20120201-poly.html
Most of Mirkos stuff is in Santo Domingo so not that relevant.
Simon
Am 02.02.2012 17:46, schrieb Michael Collinson:
On 02/02/2012 16:23, Larry O'Neill wrote:
Hi All,
Apologies for any overlap in recipients for this - I very
With the exception of a couple of edge cases, all the necessary
information and tools exists. And can be easily found on this list and
on the wiki.
For example: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Remapping
Simon
Am 09.02.2012 13:32, schrieb Václav Řehák:
Therefore I can't see any reason
Am 09.02.2012 14:06, schrieb Jaakko Helleranta.com:
but I think it could be a good idea to have at least a month or two of time between the
time when undecideds are considered accepted and before the switch/cleanup is
done in the data,
Just because somebody aired the idea here that
Am 09.02.2012 15:15, schrieb Václav Řehák:
2012/2/9 Simon Poolesi...@poole.ch:
With the exception of a couple of edge cases, all the necessary information
and tools exists. And can be easily found on this list and on the wiki.
For example: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Remapping
I went
IMHO the major issue with not deleting non-responders work, is not so
much that we couldn't take the stance that we simply leave it in till
somebody complains, but the fact that other contributors build on top of
this data. It is bad enough that a substantial amount of work from
agreers will
The PD check box is purely advisory, see
http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/We_Are_Changing_The_License#What_Are_The_Choices.3F
Note that the CTs guarantee that required attribution will survive any
future licence changes (or data with such requirements would have to be
removed) so
Am 13.02.2012 12:33, schrieb Frederik Ramm:
This can be read - as Simon seems to do it - to mean the CTs
guarantee that required attribution will survive any future licence
changes, but I think he's on thin ice there; in my reading, the CTs
promise that OSMF will provide attribution, not
There is a fair number (over 2000) of accounts where the login name only
differs in case and not all variants have accepted the CTs.
Now while this actually be different users, we do know of quite a few
contributors that have simply created multiple accounts per accident.
The list can be
I've slightly updated the list based on uid list from the current full
history planet. Alas the problem is worse (~2700), probably due to
contributors wanting to agree to the new terms, but instead creating new
accounts.
Simon
Am 27.02.2012 13:25, schrieb Simon Poole:
There is a fair number
There will probably be a heads up immediately before work on the DB starts.
If you are concerned about the effects of the change, it would be best
to simply stop consuming the diffs at that point in time and reimport
the planet after the changeover, when you feel that is appropriate
(note: that
See http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/Rebuild_Plan
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We've been through this multiple times, but here we go again:
a) there is no one to one relationship between wiki accounts and osm
accounts
b) the meaning of the PD-checkbox can't be reinterpreted after the fact
(yes it was not a very good idea to make it non-binding, but that is the
way it is)
out of
anything :-).
Simon
Am 22.03.2012 11:09, schrieb sabas88:
Il giorno 22/mar/2012 11:00, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch
mailto:si...@poole.ch ha scritto:
c) we are providing mechanisms (changeset level overrides, adoption)
that allow PD data to be carried forward, preferably after
The PD check box doesn't influence anything, so as a consequence it
doesn't cause any problems either.
Simon
Am 22.03.2012 11:20, schrieb sabas88:
Il giorno 22/mar/2012 11:14, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch
mailto:si...@poole.ch ha scritto:
Not quite sure what your question is, but yes
I was just going to suggest this, while it limits you to CC_by-SA 2.0
as a licence for tiles (or similar), there is no reason that you
couldn't use a pre-licence change coastline for rendering (in the case
of the main OSM site, the tiles are going to remain CC-by-SA 2.0 anyway).
Simon
Am
Am 24.03.2012 16:42, schrieb Russ Nelson:
Simon Poole writes:
b) the meaning of the PD-checkbox can't be reinterpreted after the fact
Yes, it can, and it should be. If I make a public declaration that I
do not intend to pursue copyright claims against anybody, or that I
think
Sorry, but your statement wrt Bing imagery is not true (and very silly).
Just because Bing/MS may have committed a minor breach of CC-by-SA 2.0
terms
doesn't change anything wrt their rights in their products. You may
naturally ask
them to cease distributing such material and could potentially
Am 10.04.2012 15:51, schrieb Nikhil Upadhye:
.
I would request if anyone has such images/videos along with gpx file
to share here as these will be helpful while developing the plugin.
I have something like 3000 videos with associated GPS tracks, so if you
need any material just ask.
Am 12.04.2012 11:01, schrieb Pieren:
..
Last option is to do nothing since we already have many quality
assurance tools ([2]) monitoring the contributions.
This is IMHO by far the best way of handling any post redaction issues
(not necessarily the easiest one).
Simon
Sorry, but if I understood what you have done correctly, it is not
necessary.
Pavel has not agreed to the CTs (because of the couple of changesets
that he imported with wikipedia data), his changesets that are ok are
already listed on the page. It is NOT necessary to add the bad
changesets
The node referenced created by cetest will not survive redaction (and I
assume the rest of data to be similar), and neither do the edits on the
way indicate anything other than normal editing (see
http://osm.mapki.com/history/way.php?id=7539781). I am slightly at a
loss to see what exactly Gert
That is naturally offset by big empty places, being
EMPTY
(except if you are in to mapping non-road stuff, but then you get what
you deserve).
Simon
Am 11.06.2012 15:08, schrieb Stephen Hope:
Or how big almost any place not in Europe is. I still remember
somebody suggesting a kayak safari
If you have your imagery in the typical GeoTIFF format at least for
small areas the Import Image plugin will allow you to use it directly.
If you have a larger area it may make sense to tile the data and set-up
your own server (however the tiling is a rather slow process).
Simon
Am 18.06.2012
The OSMF has commited to keeping the last planet files (both normal and
history) available on CC by-SA 2.0 terms. I haven't heard of any change
in this policy so I assume it is still current.
Simon
PS: I personally consider that a big mistake, but then that is just me.
Am 09.07.2012 23:00,
There are currently three open issues that we know of, for one we
probably have a solution.
The issue that has a fixed will probably turn up in continental Europe a
lot (relations that switch back and forward between MP and boundary) so
we definitely want to have that in place and tested before
PS: most of the UK and all of Ireland has worked on. If anybody finds
issues outside of the regions that have only been partially processed,
please bring them to the attention of the team working on the redaction.
Am 14.07.2012 11:55, schrieb Simon Poole:
There are currently three open issues
I've set up a task manager on http://rebuild.poole.ch/ (it is simply a further
instance of the HOT tasking server) to support and coordinate what ever
remapping efforts can be carried out by arm chair mapping. You can log in with
your existing OSM credentials.
If you want to add jobs send mail
Am 25.07.2012 21:50, schrieb Jan Kučera:
Ok so are imports allowed again?
Imports are by their intrinsic nature never urgent (it is not as if the
3rd party data is going to vanish if you don't import it today). I would
strongly suggest doing something more useful, like helping with
remapping
Am 26.07.2012 06:28, schrieb Robin Paulson:
On 26 July 2012 08:17, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote:
Imports are by their intrinsic nature never urgent (it is not as if the
3rd party data is going to vanish if you don't import it today). I would
strongly suggest doing something more useful
As some may remember from mid-February 2012 to essentially up to the
redaction bot started running, the LWG undertook to get in contact with
largest remaining non-responders that hadn't accepted the new
contributor terms.
We worked through two lists of roughly 1000 contributors each. The first
AM, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote:
From an original 1014 contributors in the first group a total of 495
agreed, resulting in a nearly 50% success rate. Of the 2nd group of 959,
362 agreed, giving a success rate of 38%. There was naturally some
acceptances in both groups that weren't directly
There seems to be very good imagery present there, so I've added a job
to rebuild.poole.ch
Simon
Am 07.08.2012 08:25, schrieb popp...@hm.edu:
I used the remaining nodes to create some highways. You may have to split
them into smaller parts according to the real world. Its best to find a
local
The LWG meets once per week and, you wouldn't believe it, in general has
its minutes online shortly afterwards.
Our take on the change over is here:
https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1j4wiDqukbRGNDh9kC-cUL6j3t4NhlcVgancqieHywK0
Work has been progressing on the open issue listen in item 6,
Maurizio
We currently have a bit of a mess wrt how we manage external data
sources and imports. Currently each source should have:
- a wiki page with the details
- in the case of an import a dedicated user account
- an entry in the import catalogue
- if attribution is necessary outside of
The changes to the guidelines should be seen in the light of the original text
being very OSMish, trying to leave some wiggle room and trying not to come over
as an absolute law, but I believe the intention was always that seperate
accounts would be the norm.
In reality a large number of
Am 18.09.2012 15:55, schrieb Pieren:
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote:
The licence change process in particular turned up a large number of
(problematic and others) imports where the importers washed their hands of
their responsibility and left the clean up
Am 18.09.2012 18:04, schrieb Christian Quest:
We've drifted from a question about governance to a talk about
usefulness of some kind of data in OSM which is something completely
relative and personal.
As I pointed out, usefulness of the data is outside the scope of this
discussion.
As far
Am 18.09.2012 18:54, schrieb Béland Pierre:
Is it possible to discuss about governance wich is the subject of this
thread?
The reason I even touched on this subject is that each time the cadastre
imports turn up it is somehow claimed that they are different from other
imports and should be
I believe there is some misunderstanding of the relationship between OSM
and OSMF.
Am 20.09.2012 16:36, schrieb Christian Rogel:
Le 20 sept. 2012 à 13:22, Lester Caine a écrit :
sly (sylvain letuffe) wrote:
We can get back to the topic of governance and discussion about those laws and
who
Am 20.09.2012 22:38, schrieb Christian Rogel:
So, as we have a DWG a making tremendous efforts for maintaining a
good policy
for the data (including the boring chase of proprietary ones), it may
happen and it
will happen more and more that a projected decision exceed the field
of the data
This is a game anybody can play.
Could you we collect a couple of (best well known places) examples of
iOS maps and how good they would have looked if they had really used OSM
data, and forward them to the CWG (it probably takes too long to whip up
a Apple look a like style in Tilemill or
This is nice, in my manifesto I even have an item on supporting research
in to some kind of layer functionality, and now the discussion has
started on its own :-).
My thoughts
- GIS-like layers are a no no, they increase dependencies in the data
and we want to achieve the opposite.
- any
Am 27.09.2012 14:25, schrieb Vladimir Vyskocil:
On 27 sept. 2012, at 14:04, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote:
Now that I have scanned some of the French material I must say that it is of
very low quality and all of the stuff I have reviewed needs at least SOME
work to bring it up to a
Am 27.09.2012 15:03, schrieb THEVENON Julien:
* De :* Simon Poole si...@poole.ch
* *Supposedly the cadastre includes street names and house
numbers, however
* *of the 27 million buildings (plus 6 million wall=no) only a
minuscule
* *number have further information attached, matter of fact
Am 28.09.2012 18:16, schrieb Mike:
Let's say, someone prepares data by recording it in the field, and
then adds another value to data by sorting it out, fixing it and
adding more information and details. And then he wants to include that
data to OpenStreetMap.
What is mean of giving proper
Am 19.10.2012 00:47, schrieb andrzej zaborowski:
This is off topic in this thread, but I'd like to set the record
straight. Who do you refer to as we when you say you had to spend
any time sorting those changes? T
Just so that it is clear to our dear readers: there is no doubt
Am 17.12.2012 16:19, schrieb Brian DeRocher:
Frederick and all,
I found your SotM presentations on OSM imports regarding disks and stats.I
just completed a full planet import via osm2pgsql. Are you interested in the
stats from my import? I *think* there's a wiki page about import stats,
I suppose the obvious question is: what was -your- source for the building
outlines? It is a fair assumption that google is simply using the same.
José Juan Sánchez del Arco jj_sanchez_alme...@live.com schrieb:
Browsing the web I just realized that Google Maps is including some
data to their
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Logos#Logo_design_competitions
Am 14.01.2013 19:12, schrieb Jeff Meyer:
Are there any links to past design comps? Past teardrops? Dare I ask,
past armpits?
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Yes, there is at least a handful of contributors have had the link
specified in discussion or/and agreement. While it is unlikely that it
was put in writing that it should be one click away from the map, it
would seem to be rather devious to simply move it without at least
consultation.
On
That is issue https://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/4697 in my
experience it works with Chrome and Firefox, but not with the stock
browser and Dolphin.
Am 22.01.2013 17:11, schrieb Craig Wallace:
..
On the default Browser on Android v4, I can pan the map and use pinch
to
Dear OSM Contributors
As you may have noticed we have removed all links displaying the Google
geocoding service from the wiki. These changes are a consequence of a
legal issue with respect to the trademark GEOCODE owned by Geocode, Inc.
of Alexandria, Virginia, USA. There are likely to be further
Because of the time constraints the removal of the google links is quite
rough, however most (as in all except a handful) of the links were
either old, outdated, or/and unused, as for example essentially all
links to old errors in Google maps based on TeleAtlas data, which should
have been
, schrieb Simon Poole:
Because of the time constraints the removal of the google links is
quite rough, however most (as in all except a handful) of the links
were either old, outdated, or/and unused, as for example essentially
all links to old errors in Google maps based on TeleAtlas data, which
Am 03.02.2013 20:42, schrieb Paweł Paprota:
.
Nice way to interpret the data :-) Look closer and not only if the
charts are rising and you can see a different picture:
Number of users grew from 500k to 1M since some time in 2011 until
January 2013:
Am 04.02.2013 10:21, schrieb Lester Caine:
OK - there is an 'official procedure' for dealing with copyright
infringement documented on
http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/Takedown_procedure through
which even 'Cease and Desist' should be handled? It is normal practice
nowadays to
There are two separate issues here.
- the use of a trademark to refer to the routes in question
- copyright of the route itself (in the sense that the sequence of way
segments is considered a creative work, or potentially protected as a
database)
Both claims cannot simply be dismissed IMHO,
Somewhat off topic, but there is http://www.opengeoserver.at/ which is
financed at least partly by wikimedia and I expect that they would
gladly include further open imagery sources.
Simon
Am 21.02.2013 18:11, schrieb Robert Scott:
On Thursday 21 February 2013, Joseph Reeves wrote:
MapBox?
A trademark and other IP use policy is one of the things the new OSMF
board has on its agenda to come up with this year (there are a couple of
pieces missing to make this work, but they are being worked on), it is
likely to be a joint effort between the CWG, LWG and interested board
members.
The
Am 23.02.2013 08:24, schrieb Robin Paulson:
On 2013-02-23 09:05, Simon Poole wrote:
A trademark and other IP use policy is one of the things the new OSMF
How do we reconcile relatively permissive use of the OSM database,
with relatively restrictive use of the Open Street Map name
In Switzerland we tried for a substantial amount of time to avoid using
the name tag on the Swiss country node (since any single value would be
wrong). Unluckily we could not stop our colleagues from a larger country
in the north wanting to fiddle around with it and last year we decided
to give
While preparing http://qa.poole.ch/addresses/ a couple of oddities with
the border polygons turned up. Posting here so that locals can fix or at
least review the cases.
Lesotho http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/2093234
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/88206 near
Am 13.04.2013 13:50, schrieb Jean-Marc Liotier:
.
That is not heretical - it is perfectly fine that some people just want
to add their pet POI and never come back. But that is infinitely more
than the total lack of edit which is what I find puzzling.
I think it is completely
Just a further data point. As of the end of last month we had edits from
324'152 unique UIDs, not quite 30% of all accounts (some of the
changesets are likely to be empty, but the number is still quite a bit
larger than the often quoted 200'000).
While there is clearly room for improvement in
Am 14.04.2013 20:37, schrieb Werner Hoch:
Am Sonntag, den 14.04.2013, 23:38 +1000 schrieb Steve Bennett:
On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 11:33 PM, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote:
Just a further data point. As of the end of last month we had edits from
324'152 unique UIDs, not quite 30% of all
Sonntag, den 14.04.2013, 23:38 +1000 schrieb Steve Bennett:
On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 11:33 PM, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote:
Just a further data point. As of the end of last month we had edits from
324'152 unique UIDs, not quite 30% of all accounts (some of the
changesets are likely
The copyright page is now much better than before and IMHO contains the
necessary contents. There are a couple of wording issues that are
already present in the current version that we should address while
we're at it (but that is mainly CWG/OWG turf) but nothing major.
I do have a couple of
Before we get in to too much bike shedding: the CWG (as essentially our
marketing arm) has been asking for more help for a long time. Net we
have had less and less volunteers there over time.
The CWG would clearly be the place to engage in such a discussion. I'm
not sure that re-branding would
.
Simon Poole
Chairman, OSMF board
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As I promised in February I investigated with our North American counsel
what they would consider acceptable use of terms similar to the GEOCODE
trademark, they came back with examples that they all considered OK.
I've created a wiki page for future reference
that
is unproblematic.
Simon
Am 23.05.2013 14:57, schrieb Maarten Deen:
On 2013-05-23 14:38, Simon Poole wrote:
As I promised in February I investigated with our North American
counsel what they would consider acceptable use of terms similar to
the GEOCODE trademark, they came back with examples that they all
Am 23.05.2013 15:35, schrieb Maarten Deen:
On 2013-05-23 15:10, Simon Poole wrote:
Maarten, there is no need to start the discussion at square one again.
We did what our counsel recommended in February as reported then (so you
can safely assume that counsel saw a certain potential for trouble
Am 08.05.2013 17:10, schrieb razor74:
The worst editor ewer.
There is still (deleted) data in the database from an editor that got
lat/lon confused what was the name again
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Am 25.05.2013 13:09, schrieb Maarten Deen:
On 2013-05-25 12:19, pec...@gmail.com wrote:
For those who are still naive to think that journalists find out
these things themselves: Google has huge amount of money to waste on
PR. If last two years is evidence everyone is happy to advertise new
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