On Tue, 11 Jan 2000 13:48:18 +0800, Thomas Fernandez wrote:
AM I don't think we can be clearer than that. I have only one
AM addition. If I could use virtual folders, I'd use them in my main account
AM *only*.
That's your choice.
Well, of course. I only brought up my personal
Sunday, January 09, 2000, 9:27:08 AM, Allie wrote:
To keep the messages from one particular individual or group together.
Right. And where is the problem of mailing people from one account as
opposed to another. I dunno about you but I file messages my dad sends me at
work to my home
Sunday, January 09, 2000, 11:06:32 AM, Alexander wrote:
John, if you don't the traffic to be unnecessarily raised again, please
don't argue with him. Besides, it's senseless since he doesn't listen to
you.
Oh I do listen. I also think about and either accept or discard what is
said based
On Mon, 10 Jan 2000 23:38:36 +0300, Alexander V. Kiselev wrote:
Virtual folders, mail all in one location.
First of all, *some* mail. Second: *physically*, it is in it's
respective accounts, only the *links* to the messages are in VFs. Hence,
even if you *have* a VF, you still can access
On Mon, 10 Jan 2000 08:57:19 -0800, Steve Lamb wrote:
Right. And where is the problem of mailing people from one account
as opposed to another. I dunno about you but I file messages my dad
sends me at work to my home account and reply from there. That *IS*
what the home account is
Morning Moosebreath,
I will say the TB users are some of the most tenacious users and
defenders of their software I have come across.
Indeed. This seems to be a general phenomena with functional and
powerful software by small developers or software with an established
community, which the
Morning Alexander V. Kiselev,
Hence the code necessary is already there (at least, partially:-))
More than that, there is also something like an account column (the
folder column) that also indicates the account. BTW I believe I
already suggested exactly this virtual folders feature quite a
Hello Jast all fellow TBUDL members,
Monday, January 10, 2000, 7:43:01 PM, Jast wrote:
J there is also something like an account column (the folder column)
J that also indicates the account.
You only see that when you are there or have run a search that turned
it up. An account column would
Hi Allie,
On Mon, 10 Jan 2000 16:16:08 -0500GMT (11/01/2000, 05:16 +0800GMT),
Allie Martin wrote:
First of all, *some* mail. Second: *physically*, it is in it's
respective accounts, only the *links* to the messages are in VFs. Hence,
even if you *have* a VF, you still can access the actual
Friday, January 07, 2000, 6:09:15 PM, Derek wrote:
Faster than Pocomail, and all the MS products...So you can have
features without dragging the program down to MS or Netscape type
bloat.
Not as fast as some that I've seen. Too bad it also doesn't have a decent
interface. That alone
Friday, January 07, 2000, 7:58:37 PM, Douglas wrote:
By incorporating an optional accounts column, all you're doing is changing
the visualization of the message. The message IS linked to an account.
Uhm, no, it isn't. When I move a message from the inbox in
morpheus@rpglink to slamb3@corp
On Sun, 9 Jan 2000 03:37:17 -0800, Steve Lamb wrote:
Uhm, no, it isn't. When I move a message from the inbox in
morpheus@rpglink to slamb3@corp the message is physically moved. It is not
"linked" in any way to either account aside from its physical location.
What Alex and
Sunday, January 09, 2000, 6:53:34 AM, Allie wrote:
What Alex and others have been getting at is that when you move the message
and create a reply, it will use the parameters of the account and folder to
which you moved it and not that of the account and folder which you moved it
from.
I
Hello Steve,
SL Which is personalities and does break the paradigm of TB!. Why people
SL want to mungle everything together is utterly beyond me.
You keep referring to "Paradigm", which means model or pattern
(yes, I know you know the meaning), usually the original pattern
comes from the
On Sun, 9 Jan 2000 08:50:15 -0800, Steve Lamb wrote:
What Alex and others have been getting at is that when you move the
message and create a reply, it will use the parameters of the account
and folder to which you moved it and not that of the account and folder
which you moved it from.
Hi there!
On 9 Jan 00, at 9:11, Moosebreath wrote
about "Re[2]: Pegasus vs. The Bat!":
SL Which is personalities and does break the paradigm of TB!. Why people
SL want to mungle everything together is utterly beyond me.
You keep referring to "Paradigm"
On Sun, 9 Jan 2000 22:06:32 +0300, Alexander V. Kiselev wrote:
[..snip..]
Just look what he says: he calls "virtual folders" idea "personalities paradigm".
He doesn't even care to think it over! He never saw DOS navigator with its
Temp panel, he never saw FAR that utilises the same idea
On Sun, 9 Jan 2000 11:26:38 -0800, Januk Aggarwal wrote:
If I understand you correctly, essentially you want to be able to
create folders which, when selected, perform a predefined search on
your message database, right? If that's all there is to it, I could
see that having huge
Hi there!
On 9 Jan 00, at 11:26, Januk Aggarwal wrote
about "Re: Pegasus vs. The Bat!":
A good analog of what I'm talking about is the search facility.
If I understand you correctly, essentially you want to be able to
create folders which, when selected, perform a
Hi John,
On 09 January 2000 at 14:03:18 GMT -0800 (which was 22:03 where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points:
JR It's just little things like a button to show all new messages no
JR matter which folders, in which account they are in.
Check out the ticker. The ticker
Hello Marck,
Sunday, January 09, 2000, 4:07:52 PM, you wrote:
MDP Hi John,
MDP On 09 January 2000 at 14:03:18 GMT -0800 (which was 22:03 where I
MDP live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points:
JR It's just little things like a button to show all new messages no
JR matter which
Hello Moosebreath,
On Sun, 9 Jan 2000 at 17:23:48 [GMT -0800], you wrote:
M I will say the TB users are some of the most tenacious users and
M defenders of their software I have come across.
Here, here, I'll drink to that!
Would this qualify as a "me too" message? grin
Bad Leif, bad, bad
Hello Allie all fellow TBUDL members,
Sunday, January 09, 2000, 11:27:08 AM, Allie wrote:
AM To keep the messages from one particular individual or group
AM together.
AM It's easier for me to browse messages in one folder instead of
AM opening four different folders in four different
Dear Alexander,
on Saturday, January 08, 2000, 00:01, you wrote:
In any case, there are others guys in Moldavia that are looking at
these issues themselves.
AVK Officially this country is called "Moldova" now. It was Moldavia
AVK when it was a part of USSR. Just in order to be precise:-)
Hi there!
On 8 Jan 00, at 14:07, Michael Heydekamp wrote
about "OT: Moldova":
In any case, there are others guys in Moldavia that are looking at
these issues themselves.
AVK Officially this country is called "Moldova" now. It was Moldavia
AVK when it was a part of USSR. Just in
On Saturday 8 January 2000 Alexander V. Kiselev wrote:
Parizh) and London (we pronounce it with two "o"s):-))
And that's probably not too far from the truth ;-)
John
--
you gave me something that i could touch in a world where i'd had too much
something i could feel with my broken hands full
Hello [EMAIL PROTECTED],
On Thu, 6 Jan 2000 15:45:02 -0500 GMT your local time,
which was Friday, January 07, 2000, 3:45:02 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
cid So let me get this straight... TB!'s filters only work on a
cid particular account?
cid There's no way to set a
Friday, January 07, 2000, 8:27:00 AM, Alexander wrote:
Seems *not* to be different to me, since the messages containing the
discussions of the *same* mathematical problems arrive to all three of
them:-) Technically, it's different, but for *me* as a mathematician g
they aren't...
Then
Hi there!
On 7 Jan 00, at 8:51, Steve Lamb wrote
about "Re: Pegasus vs. The Bat!":
Seems *not* to be different to me, since the messages containing the
discussions of the *same* mathematical problems arrive to all three of
them:-) Technically, it's different, b
Friday, January 07, 2000, 9:43:00 AM, Alexander wrote:
Please explain why the hell do you insist on calling "harmful" the (little)
feature I've explained in my previous mail message, which explanation you've
deliberately cut out?
Because it requires a paradigm shift in the whole program
Hi there!
On 7 Jan 00, at 10:02, Steve Lamb wrote
about "Re: Pegasus vs. The Bat!":
I never argue with people that shout on me. That is, get lost, sir. Besides,
AFAIK all-caps are a no-no on this very mailing list.
I have read it, I do understand it. Common sense. Sen
On Fri, 7 Jan 2000 10:02:54 -0800, Steve Lamb wrote:
[..snip..]
Please explain why the hell do you insist on calling "harmful" the (little)
feature I've explained in my previous mail message, which explanation you've
deliberately cut out?
Because it requires a paradigm shift in the
Friday, January 07, 2000, 10:30:21 AM, Alexander wrote:
I never argue with people that shout on me. That is, get lost, sir. Besides,
AFAIK all-caps are a no-no on this very mailing list.
Considering you weren't reading what was being written in the first place
I had to try alternate
I'm just a TB! newbie (yet a definite internet and email veteran) and
I agree with Alex with all of this.
Steve, although you offer "workable" solutions, there are easier ways
to deal with the The Bat!s shorcomings besides "what's between the
chair and the keyboard", as you put it.
You may
At Fri, 7 Jan 2000 13:33:32 -0500, you wrote:
[ SNIP ]
A multiple personality type setup may be created by the user with
the use
of filters quite easily when I think about it, especially since mail
may
be filtered across accounts. The support seems to already be there.
Sounds like this is
Friday, January 07, 2000, 10:33:32 AM, Allie wrote:
a) Add new email address to existing account.
b) Create new Account
How is adding the a) option to go along with the already existing
b) option a paradigm shift? :)
Because it requires merging the streams and requires either a
On Fri, 7 Jan 2000 13:36:54 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[..snip..]
You may not care to deal with mail from multiple accounts as one, but
some of us do. I don't want to redirect messages all over the place,
bouncing them through my ISP or anywhere else for that matter. For
example, I
On Fri, 7 Jan 2000 13:41:26 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[ SNIP ]
A multiple personality type setup may be created by the user with
the use of filters quite easily when I think about it, especially since mail
may be filtered across accounts. The support seems to already be
Friday, January 07, 2000, 10:36:54 AM, cid wrote:
Steve, although you offer "workable" solutions, there are easier ways
to deal with the The Bat!s shorcomings besides "what's between the
chair and the keyboard", as you put it.
"Cid", what you, and Alex, are not understanding is that I
On Fri, 7 Jan 2000 14:56:38 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Oh, I see now...I thought you were describe the ability to have a
single filter work for different accounts. You just meant to put in
the folder of a different account. You still need different (and
possibly duplicate) filters for
Hi there!
On 7 Jan 00, at 13:36, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
about "Enough already...":
I'm just a TB! newbie (yet a definite internet and email veteran) and
I agree with Alex with all of this.
Thanx:-) I support the subject you've chosen for this message. I'm going to
abandon this
Hi there!
On 7 Jan 00, at 16:34, Douglas Hinds wrote
about "Re[2]: Enough already (Was: Re: Peg":
In any case, there are others guys in Moldavia that are looking at
these issues themselves.
Officially this country is called "Moldova" now. It was Moldavia when it was a
part of USSR.
Friday, January 07, 2000, 2:34:30 PM, Douglas wrote:
SL If you consider it a shortcoming then that is clearly a perception
SL issue and *IS* a problem between chair and keyboard.
On whose end?
Theirs since many here have expressed that they do not consider it a
shortcoming.
SL Bully for
Hi there!
On 7 Jan 00, at 15:28, Steve Lamb wrote
about "Re: Enough already.":
In any case, there are others guys in Moldavia that are looking at
these issues themselves.
Officially this country is called "Moldova" now. It was Moldavia when it was a
part of USSR. Just in
about "Re: Pegasus vs. The Bat!":
Quite frankly, if Alex is happy with Pegasus and how it works, all
the power to him. Why he is still on TB! mailing list is beyond me since it
clearly doesn't work in the manner he chooses.
AVK Right now I'm only waiting for the first 2.x beta. If
Hello Steve,
I still think the way to do this is to keep account seperate...but
just have "Global filters" that work an all accounts or a subset of
accounts. In fact, that almost goes against bloat...because you
wouldn't have to run duplicate filters ever. (This is of course
particular to my
On Fri, 7 Jan 2000 21:31:39 -0500, Derek Cedillo wrote:
[..snip..]
No, MicroSoft product *tells* you what you want. They never ask. 90%
of the people I work with complain regularly about MS and how they
added features that they never need. The difference here is, we are
asking for features,
Hello Steve,
Written in response to your letter of Friday, January 07, 2000, 6:25:47 PM:
SNIP
SL Hey, lemme ask this, honestly. How many people saw me say that having the
SL option to apply filters to all accounts would be a good thing? I bet not
SL many.
I sure didn't, it was hard to
Hi there!
On 7 Jan 00, at 21:09, Derek Cedillo wrote
about "Re[2]: Pegasus vs. The Bat!":
And for what it's worth...even with Pegasus at 4.5 MB or whatever it
is, it is the fastest mail system I've ever used. Faster than TB!
thrice in my own tests:-)
Faster than Pocomai
Hallo Steve,
On Fri, 7 Jan 2000 15:28:19 -0800 GMT (08.01.2000, 07:28 +0800 GMT),
Steve Lamb wrote:
SL Feh, any country over there that can't keep its name for more than 2
SL decades should expect to be called all other names it has ever gone by in the
SL past. ;P
SL Same for cities.
On Friday, January 07, 2000, 9:59:22 PM, Thomas Fernandez wrote:
IOW, political comments have nothing to do in this list.
I agree Thomas... but with all due respect, you should heed your own
advice. That message should have been sent directly to Steve, as this one
is to you.
BTW, I'm a
Hallo Nick,
On Fri, 7 Jan 2000 23:24:09 -0800 GMT (08.01.2000, 15:24 +0800 GMT),
Nick Andriash wrote:
NA Not only was that remark not warranted, and completely
NA unsubstantiated, it certainly didn't belong on the List.
Point taken. My apologies to the list members. gracefully bowing
and
Hello Thomas,, 2000, 1:33:08 AM, you wrote:
TF Hi Steve,
TF On Wed, 5 Jan 2000 11:19:59 -0800GMT (06/01/2000, 03:19 +0800GMT),
TF Steve Lamb wrote:
3. Changing "Send from account..." Is there a more visible way to do
this?
SL
Hello tracer,
On Thu, 6 Jan 2000 at 11:05:20 GMT +0700 [Thursday, January 06, 2000
11:05 GMT +0700], you told to the list:
Steve Yes, I've done that to my boss at one time when I finally separated my
Steve personal from private mail and he insisted on using the wrong one.
t My expartner
Hello Carsten Dreesbach,
On Thu, 6 Jan 2000 at 08:04:14 GMT +0100 [Thursday, January 06, 2000
14:04 GMT +0700], you told to the list:
TF Or enable View/From in the editor window. That's what I do. If
TF you don't like what you see, you can easily change "from" address
TF by eitehr clicking
Wednesday, January 05, 2000, 8:05:20 PM, tracer wrote:
I see nothing complicated on the few emails going to the wrong place
to get an filter added.
Exactly. I think it is less of a burden than keeping it all separate
through filters.
More important I think is that the current backup
Wednesday, January 05, 2000, 10:33:08 PM, Thomas wrote:
Or enable View/From in the editor window.
IIRC this does not change through which SMTP server the message is sent.
That can cause problems with the anti-relay rules some ISPs have put in place.
--
Steve C. Lamb | I'm
Hallo Steve,
On Thu, 6 Jan 2000 08:25:41 -0800 GMT (07.01.2000, 00:25 +0800 GMT),
Steve Lamb wrote:
Or enable View/From in the editor window.
SL IIRC this does not change through which SMTP server the message is sent.
SL That can cause problems with the anti-relay rules some ISPs have put
Thursday, January 06, 2000, 8:55:01 AM, Thomas wrote:
Correct. But I use my local log-in ISP's SMTP server for all accounts
anyway. They don't seem to mind the "from" address, as long as you are
correctly logged in (with password et al) to them.
Can you say that for the individual you
Hi there!
On 6 Jan 00, at 1:27, Larry Barrett wrote
about "Re[2]: Pegasus vs. The Bat!":
AVK Okay, Steve, let's finish with this:-) Besides, others here aren't pretty
AVK interested in all this, as far as I can see.
Wrong - I learn more about TB reading you two than
Steve Lamb wrote:
As for archiving proper, I don't think any client really does offer decent
automatic archiving. Then again, I am of the school of thought that I can
always do it myself. If I want archives I'm going to do it right with a
proper archiver and do incremental timed
Hello TBUDL,
On Wednesday, January 05, 2000, , Alexander V. Kiselev wrote:
5 accounts (one for each of my e-mail addresses, since its all different dial-
ups:-)), and into *each* of these 5 inboxes messages from my supervisor are
likely to find their way. And now what? Now, obviously, I'll
Hello [EMAIL PROTECTED],
On Thu, 6 Jan 2000 at 15:45:02 GMT -0500 [Friday, January 07, 2000
03:45 GMT +0700], you told to the list:
cin So let me get this straight... TB!'s filters only work on a
cin particular account?
Correct.
cin There's no way to set a global filter set for all
Thursday, January 06, 2000, 3:43:06 PM, Alexander wrote:
The "input stream" doesn't differ very much between these accounts, only
here I get the mailing lists traffic, too.
Three different servers. Seems to be different to me.
All this means, that I frequently want to deal with the
Hi Steve,
On Thu, 6 Jan 2000 09:13:28 -0800GMT (07/01/2000, 01:13 +0800GMT),
Steve Lamb wrote:
Correct. But I use my local log-in ISP's SMTP server for all accounts
anyway. They don't seem to mind the "from" address, as long as you are
correctly logged in (with password et al) to them.
SL
Hello Alexander,
Written in response to your letter of Thursday, January 06, 2000, 6:43:06 PM:
AVK Hi there!
AVK On 6 Jan 00, at 15:45, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
AVK about "Re[2]: Pegasus vs. The Bat!":
So let me get this straight... TB!'s filters only work on a
particular acc
Hello,
I'm a new The Bat
Sorry for the terrible formatting on this post. This web based email
must truncate when it sends, even though it doesn't do it in the
editor window. Please forgive me! :)
Best Regards,
Derek Cedillo
At Wed, 5 Jan 2000 13:38:45 -0500, I wrote:
Hello,
I'm a new The Bat user, and considering
Hi there!
On 5 Jan 00, at 13:38, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
about "Pegasus vs. The Bat!":
As you might see, I *am* using Pegasus right now:-) So here are my answers.
I am a 5 year user of Pmail, and love that program alot as(aside from being
free :) it has a lot of the feature
Wednesday, January 05, 2000, 10:38:45 AM, cid wrote:
3. Changing "Send from account..." Is there a more visible way to do
this?
Yes, click on the account before sending. ;)
Pegasus mail, IIRC, does not have completely
Wednesday, January 05, 2000, 11:04:41 AM, Alexander wrote:
For version 3.2 (expected to be released in February, this year) alot of visual
improvements are planned. Besides, what version of PMail were you using?
I have to ask. Will they finally drop the MDI interface? I don't mind
MDI
Hi there!
On 5 Jan 00, at 11:22, Steve Lamb wrote
about "Re: Pegasus vs. The Bat!":
For version 3.2 (expected to be released in February, this year) alot of visual
improvements are planned. Besides, what version of PMail were you using?
I have to ask.
You'r
Wednesday, January 05, 2000, 11:59:47 AM, Alexander wrote:
I don't think so, David Harris isn't expected to rewrite *everything*:-) In
fact, *I* personally have nothing against MDI. As you, I use virtual
desktops alot, but contrary to you, MDI doesn't prevent me from working
efficiently. I
Wednesday, January 05, 2000, 12:07:27 PM, Steve wrote:
Nope, doesn't sound like it then from the rest of your description. It
has "Accounts" as in completely separate instances of Pegasus but not
"accounts" as in different mail accounts in a single instance.
I was correct. It does
Hi there!
On 5 Jan 00, at 12:26, Steve Lamb wrote
about "Re: Pegasus vs. The Bat!":
Nope, doesn't sound like it then from the rest of your description. It
has "Accounts" as in completely separate instances of Pegasus but not
"accounts" as in diffe
Wednesday, January 05, 2000, 1:48:56 PM, Alexander wrote:
Seems that the two things that you call "multiple accounts" and "multiple
instances" differ only when the folder structure is concerned.
No, there is a lot more to it than that.
At least, in the case of Pegasus. In PMail, two
Hi there!
On 5 Jan 00, at 14:14, Steve Lamb wrote
about "Re: Pegasus vs. The Bat!":
Seems that the two things that you call "multiple accounts" and "multiple
instances" differ only when the folder structure is concerned.
No, there is a lot more
Wednesday, January 05, 2000, 2:54:57 PM, Alexander wrote:
No, there is a lot more to it than that.
Having read this message of yours, I still don't see other differences...
Forcing the user to filter to gain a sane default is the difference.
For you, but not for me.
Right. As
Hi there!
On 5 Jan 00, at 15:13, Steve Lamb wrote
about "Re: Pegasus vs. The Bat!":
Okay, Steve, let's finish with this:-) Besides, others here aren't pretty
interested in all this, as far as I can see. A couple of final remarks, though.
First of all, you and I use e-mail for
Hello Steve Lamb,
On Wed, 5 Jan 2000 15:13:08 -0800 GMT your local time,
which was Thursday, January 06, 2000, 6:13:08 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Steve Lamb wrote:
Steve Or, what I would do, drag the mail to the right folder, reply, and inform
Steve him not to use the other addresses for
Hi Steve,
On Wed, 5 Jan 2000 11:19:59 -0800GMT (06/01/2000, 03:19 +0800GMT),
Steve Lamb wrote:
3. Changing "Send from account..." Is there a more visible way to do
this?
SL Yes, click on the account before sending. ;)
Or
Hi Alexander,
you killed this horse before we out here in the Far East even read it.
:-( It has been most educational following your dialogue, as you both
seem to know "the other programme" quite well. Thus, let me comment:
On Thu, 6 Jan 2000 01:54:57 +0300GMT (06/01/2000, 06:54 +0800GMT),
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Hey Thomas,
Thursday, January 06, 2000, 7:33:08 AM, you wrote:
TF Or enable View/From in the editor window. That's what I do. If you
TF don't like what you see, you can easily change "from" address by
TF eitehr clicking on that little arrow on the
Hi Carsten,
On Thu, 6 Jan 2000 08:04:14 +0100GMT (06/01/2000, 15:04 +0800GMT),
Carsten Dreesbach wrote:
TF Or enable View/From in the editor window. That's what I do. If you
TF don't like what you see, you can easily change "from" address by
TF eitehr clicking on that little arrow on the
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