Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2012-01-22 Thread Dave1972
It's really not recommended to use a wireless connection for hi-def (24-bit) music. Apart from the stuttering, you're going to be getting numerous streaming errors that introduce artefacts and lower the effective definition of what you are listening to. This may be less evident if you don't use an

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2012-01-21 Thread Lugbutz
Ii am not sure that the problem is in the hardware ( well other than the amount of memory or power of the CPU) we are seeing huge loads 2 times what should be the max load. My opinion.. It is either the software.. A bug in wpa_upplicant or the unit is under powered for streaming 24/96 via wi

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2012-01-21 Thread garym
Lugbutz;685463 Wrote: > So I tested using a wired vs wireless connection today and the problem > does indeed seem to be within the wireless configuration but not in the > wireless network it self. > > As soon as I engaged the Wired Nic on the router, load average on the > Squeezebox dropped fr

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2012-01-21 Thread Lugbutz
So I tested using a wired vs wireless connection today and the problem does indeed seem to be within the wireless configuration but not in the wireless network it self. As soon as I engaged the Wired Nic on the router, load average on the Squeezebox dropped from > 1.9 to .5. All choppiness disa

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2012-01-15 Thread Mnyb
Lugbutz;684206 Wrote: > Server... Dell Precision 6400 Dual Core 8 Gb running CentOS 6.1 > 2.6.32-131.0.15.el6.x86_64 > > > Load on the server is minimal ... > > top - 11:49:05 up 27 days, 19:27, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, > 0.00 > Tasks: 128 total, 1 running, 127 sleeping, 0 sto

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2012-01-15 Thread Lugbutz
Server... Dell Precision 6400 Dual Core 8 Gb running CentOS 6.1 2.6.32-131.0.15.el6.x86_64 Load on the server is minimal ... top - 11:49:05 up 27 days, 19:27, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Tasks: 128 total, 1 running, 127 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie Cpu(s): 2.3%us, 0.3%sy

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2012-01-15 Thread Mnyb
Lugbutz;684201 Wrote: > Re latest Version > > Gotta tellya... I believe I am at the latest version for my Touch and > Server > > Logitech Media Server Version: 7.7.1 - r33735 > Touch Firmware: 7.7.1-r9558 > > > My Wifi Connection is 100%, I have virtually no load on my network and > I s

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2012-01-15 Thread Lugbutz
Re latest Version Gotta tellya... I believe I am at the latest version for my Touch and Server Logitech Media Server Version: 7.7.1 - r33735 Touch Firmware: 7.7.1-r9558 My Wifi Connection is 100%, I have virtually no load on my network and I still had the choppy playback... it was unbeli

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2012-01-15 Thread Mnyb
Or upgrade to the latest version where this is no problem anymore :) -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bed

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2012-01-15 Thread Lugbutz
Mikael Nyberg 2011-01-12 11:23:17 PST If: [root@hal /]# sqlite3 /var/lib/squeezeboxserver/cache/squeezebox.db SQLite version 3.7.4 Enter ".help" for instructions Enter SQL statements terminated with a ";" sqlite> analyze; sqlite> I assume it was the right command :-) I cued up all my 1472 hir

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2011-01-09 Thread Mnyb
I did some lame amateur hack to one file (as you can see in the bug report) And it works better -for me-. Try yourself but no guarantee at all . -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH and

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2011-01-09 Thread guidof
TerryS;600701 Wrote: > > > So I have the problem using the Touch screen interface. Not always, > but often enough that I wish it would get fixed someday. I'd be good > if the start of the album was just delayed the couple of extra seconds > it took to get the buffering done. But the start, s

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2011-01-07 Thread TerryS
Mnyb;600697 Wrote: > Terry you are probably right :-/ > > However I found another factor. > > If you use a squeezebox controller to control your squeezebox Touch you > get this problem ? > > From the touch interface or the ir-remote it sort of works on intel > like servers. > So I have no prob

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2011-01-07 Thread Mnyb
Terry you are probably right :-/ However I found another factor. If you use a squeezebox controller to control your squeezebox Touch you get this problem ? >From the touch interface or the ir-remote it sort of works on intel like servers. So I have no problem using the Touch itself or the ir re

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2011-01-07 Thread TerryS
Mnyb;600667 Wrote: > This is now broken again !! in 7.6 beta > > 24/96 (-5) FLAC files rebuffers at the first track this was fixed for > 1/2 year now it's broken again . > > http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15361 > > 7.6 will be in beta for a while so this time there is time to fix

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2011-01-07 Thread Mnyb
This is now broken again !! in 7.6 beta 24/96 (-5) FLAC files rebuffers at the first track this was fixed for 1/2 year now it's broken again . http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15361 7.6 will be in beta for a while so this time there is time to fix it before it goes into production (

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2010-06-23 Thread Teus de Jong
PeterLosseSchoenveter;557365 Wrote: > Thanks Teus for your reply. > > But isn't there any conversion then? Is flac 'just' compressed pcm? The right answer as far as I know is yes. From the official FLAC site: 'The encoding of audio (PCM) data incurs no loss of information, and the decoded audio

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2010-06-23 Thread PeterLosseSchoenveter
Teus de Jong;557351 Wrote: > No. There is no recoding only decoding. When streaming FLAC to the > Touch, the decoding takes place in the Touch, when streaming PCM it > takes place on the server. Some people think the latter leads to better > sound quality. > > Teus > > PS. Walking with loose sh

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2010-06-23 Thread Teus de Jong
PeterLosseSchoenveter;557331 Wrote: > I have a question: When I decide to stream flac-file's as > pcm to my sb-touch am I losing soundquality due to the > recodeprocess?? No. There is no recoding only decoding. When streaming FLAC to the Touch, the decoding takes place in the Touch, when stream

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2010-06-23 Thread PeterLosseSchoenveter
I have a question: When I decide to stream flac-file's as pcm to my sb-touch am I losing soundquality due to the recodeprocess?? -- PeterLosseSchoenveter PeterLosseSchoenveter's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/mem

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2010-06-11 Thread Peter Galbavy
Thanks. Checked all those. I went through the default conversions and syncing. I even went so far as to turn up logging for a while to see if I could spot anything obvious (without being familiar with the code base etc.). All looked normal. The only process using CPU is the main perl script. I am

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2010-06-10 Thread Peter Galbavy
Yup, it's a server performance issue. Just put a copy of Rumours at 24/96 on an SD card and it plays perfectly. No stutters at all. I wonder what has changed from 7.5.1 to 7.6 in the server to make it eat quite so much more CPU. I'll move my report over to the server forum... -- Peter Galbavy

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2010-06-10 Thread Mnyb
Peter Galbavy;553956 Wrote: > Yup, it's a server performance issue. Just put a copy of Rumours at > 24/96 on an SD card and it plays perfectly. No stutters at all. > > I wonder what has changed from 7.5.1 to 7.6 in the server to make it > eat quite so much more CPU. I'll move my report over to t

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2010-06-09 Thread Peter Galbavy
Just a quick random update of my experience with 24/96 files. I installed a nightly 7.5.1 when I first got my Touch and while I experienced stutter at the beginning of playing a 24/96 FLAC album, once it was playing the whole album would play through fine, gapless and all. This is on a wired netw

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2010-06-06 Thread Rangdo
FWIW I've started having problems today totally out of the blue. No changes to the system has been made. It's wired, SBS running on an Ubuntu 9.10 laptop with SBS 7.50 - tracks that played fine vefore (except the occasional single hiccup when first starting an album) were pausing every few secon

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2010-05-28 Thread floater
themrock;550907 Wrote: > I have the same problem. > The Touch is not able to play in USB-Mode HR-Flacs. > Music starts after soms seconds rebuffering and so on. > > Attached is a WD 2,5 HD with 16474 Files in 1197 Albums. > 3 Albums in HR-Flacs rest in normal Flacs and 256 VBR mpr > Playing nor

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2010-05-27 Thread themrock
I have the same problem. The Touch is not able to play in USB-Mode HR-Flacs. Music starts after soms seconds rebuffering and so on. Attached is a WD 2,5 HD with 16474 Files in 1197 Albums. 3 Albums in HR-Flacs rest in normal Flacs and 256 VBR mpr Playing normal Flacs and 256 VBR mpr no problems.

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2010-05-26 Thread rotho
Mnyb;550662 Wrote: > Btw is the LaCie powered by USB or does it have it's own PS ? > A pattern seems to emerge on these forums, USB powered (out of USB > certified spec! nb) = potential for problems. No, it's a 3.5" HDD, with its own PS, so that is not the problem here. -- rotho -

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2010-05-26 Thread Mnyb
rotho;550660 Wrote: > Yesterday I installed the latest version of SBS (7.5.1/r30822) and > updated my Touch (r8810), in order to test the bug 15361 fix > (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15361), but unfortunately, > this new version does not solve my problems when using TinySC. > > I

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2010-05-26 Thread rotho
Yesterday I installed the latest version of SBS (7.5.1/r30822) and updated my Touch (r8810), in order to test the bug 15361 fix (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15361), but unfortunately, this new version does not solve my problems when using TinySC. I have certain 24/96 files which g

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2010-05-12 Thread adamdea
I am using my Touch almost exclusively with a directly-attached USB drive. I have a number of downloaded 24 bit files from Linn, HDtracks, Analekta, the Classical shop etc, together with 16 bit flac downloads and rips. Obviously I get the stuttering problem. But that is not the end of it: I am get

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2010-05-06 Thread rotho
I will make more tests this evening (I have just finished the restoration of the initial contents of my FAT32 formatted HDD from its twin HFS+ HDD : I didn't want to spend too much time with no backup of my 400 Gb of FLAC files !). In my initial tests, I had carefully waited that the scan process

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2010-05-06 Thread JohnSwenson
I don't have that big a library, only about 15000 songs and I don't see that behavior at all. In may case the server gets up to about 10% max when playing files (even 24/96 flac -8) The only time I see it going high is when the scanner is running. Is there a chance the scanner is still running? A

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2010-05-06 Thread rotho
After having reported my problems of reading 24/96 files with Tiny SC on a 1.5 Tb HDD containing 1200 albums (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=542848&postcount=155 http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=543088&postcount=161) whereas I had no problem when reading these files from

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2010-05-06 Thread ncpl
Phil Leigh;543279 Wrote: > I did read it - it didn't mention the flac compession rate. I thought > you just wanted to get it working! > I don't disagree that it should work with flac @ at any rate. > > I don't see how streaming as PCM (in the meantime) would impact your > other players as the s

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2010-05-04 Thread Phil Leigh
ncpl;543232 Wrote: > Hi Phil, > > You did read my post didn't you ;)? It works if I impact the streaming > to all of my devices. My flac are all at -5 and I have many of them so > I don't really want to re-encode them if HQ here are working on a more > robust fix/solution. > > If a non-teckie

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2010-05-04 Thread rotho
MCG555: I don't know the compression rate of my 24/96 flac files, because I did not generate them myself. Most of them have been generated by a friend of mine, from 24/96 Digital Audio Discs of the Classic Records and Chesky labels. I am pretty sure he did not use any fancy compression level, but

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2010-05-04 Thread SteveEast
rotho;543088 Wrote: > Hi John, > > I have made more tests this evening and here are the successive values > of the CPU usage of the perl slimserver.pl process : > > 1) When using the HDD : > 1.1) With a 24/96 file : > 32%/46%/43%/45%/52%/30%/42%/51%/47%/44%/32%/51%/36%/35%/57%/31%/37%/48%/24%/5

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2010-05-04 Thread MCG555
@Rotho: me again: What compression rate do you use for your FLACs? (sorry if you have posted it already I do not see it and did not went through all 17 pages of the thread) -- MCG555 MCG555's Profile: http://forums.slimdev

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2010-05-04 Thread MCG555
rotho;543088 Wrote: > Hi John, > > I have made more tests this evening and here are the successive values > of the CPU usage of the perl slimserver.pl process : > > 1) When using the HDD : > 1.1) With a 24/96 file : > 32%/46%/43%/45%/52%/30%/42%/51%/47%/44%/32%/51%/36%/35%/57%/31%/37%/48%/24%/5

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2010-05-04 Thread ncpl
Phil Leigh;542889 Wrote: > And it works - as you have seen! > What level of FLAC compression are these flacs? - if at -8, reflac them > to -5 or less... Hi Phil, You did read my post didn't you ;)? It works if I impact the streaming to all of my devices. My flac are all at -5 and I have many

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2010-05-03 Thread rotho
JohnSwenson;543054 Wrote: > > Its very interesting that the server is running so much higher cpu with > the HDD as opposed to the USB stick. Does the server stay at around this > number all the time or does it only occasionally get that high? > Hi John, I have made more tests this evening and

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2010-05-03 Thread JohnSwenson
Hi rotho, thanks for the detailed info. The perl line is the actual server, its written in perl so the process is actually the perl interpreter running the server code. Jive is the player (now known as squeezeplay). The Server reads the files and sends the data to the player which decodes it and

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2010-05-03 Thread JohnSwenson
Hi rotho, thanks for the detailed info. The perl line is the actual server, its written in perl so the process is actually the perl interpreter running the server code. Jive is the player (now known as squeezeplay). The Server reads the files and sends the data to the player which decodes it and

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2010-05-03 Thread Phil Leigh
ncpl;542862 Wrote: > > > > 96/24 playback was the defining feature of the Touch for me so I do > hope it is given some attention at HQ. And it works - as you have seen! What level of FLAC compression are these flacs? - if at -8, reflac them to -5 or less... -- Phil Leigh You want to see t

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2010-05-03 Thread mkt
JohnSwenson;542795 Wrote: > Its definitely NOT downsampling. Yes you did it right. So if that fixes > it, are you working well now? > > John S. Yep, PCM streaming with not skips. Thanks! -- mkt mkt's Profile: http://for

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2010-05-03 Thread Phil Leigh
mkt;542785 Wrote: > Is this the correct way to go to PCM streaming? > > Server settings -> Advanced -> File types > > > Code: > > > File Format Stream Format Decoder > > FLACFLACDisabled > MP3 flac/lame > PCM

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2010-05-03 Thread ncpl
John S I, like many others above, are actually wired with the issue not wireless. I resolve with streaming PCM. So, wouldn't it suggest a decoding /cpu issue? Whilst streaming pcm to the wired Touch is OK, it does mean that I have to stream pcm to the other SB's in my house which then takes up

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2010-05-03 Thread rotho
I have been following this thread very carefully, because I was very interested in the Touch abilities to read 24/96 files and to go without a PC (by using Tiny SC), and unfortunately, I am experiencing serious problems with that configuration, when using an external HDD (but not when using a USB

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2010-05-02 Thread JohnSwenson
Ooops, one other thing, you should have the MP3 disabled in that list just to make sure it doesn't decide to send MP3 instead of PCM. John S. -- JohnSwenson JohnSwenson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2010-05-02 Thread JohnSwenson
Its definitely NOT downsampling. Yes you did it right. So if that fixes it, are you working well now? John S. -- JohnSwenson JohnSwenson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5974 View this thread: ht

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2010-05-02 Thread mkt
JohnSwenson;542750 Wrote: > Thanks, that helps. > > At this point it looks like there are two possibilities, either > connectivity issues (WiFi interference) or flac decompression issues. > > The easiest thing to test now is go to streaming PCM rather than flac. > If its a flac decoding issue t

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2010-05-02 Thread JohnSwenson
Thanks, that helps. At this point it looks like there are two possibilities, either connectivity issues (WiFi interference) or flac decompression issues. The easiest thing to test now is go to streaming PCM rather than flac. If its a flac decoding issue that should clear it up. If its a WiFi iss

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2010-05-02 Thread mkt
@John S. Thanks! Lets get the specifics of your system: are you running external server or internal server? External. If external server, how are you connecting, wired or wireless? Wireless. WPA. If external server what format are you streaming? Flac. Do you knopw what compression level the f

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2010-05-01 Thread JohnSwenson
mkt;542267 Wrote: > I did change something. When I synchronize with a SBR, 26/96 is > downsampled and there are no skips. When I don't synchronize, there is > a skip or two at the beginning of all 24/96 or 24/88.2 flacs. > > Very disappointing. Lets get the specifics of your system: are you ru

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2010-05-01 Thread mkt
mkt;539351 Wrote: > I got my touch yesterday. When I tried out some 24/96 and 24/88.2 Linn > flacs, I got skips when they started. > > This morning no skips, not one. Go figure. > > The only changes I made were to turn off the navigation sound effect > and enable ssh. I did change something.

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2010-04-28 Thread Phil Leigh
ratso;541431 Wrote: > i have tried to set compression to zero on my HD Tracks flac file, but i > get an error message (i am using NCH's 'switch' for mac). i also get an > error message when i try to change the flac's to wav's with audacity. > is this because of DRM/copyright protection? what is

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2010-04-28 Thread ratso
i have tried to set compression to zero on my HD Tracks flac file, but i get an error message (i am using NCH's 'switch' for mac). i also get an error message when i try to change the flac's to wav's with audacity. is this because of DRM/copyright protection? -- ratso Emerald Physics CS2.3's -

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2010-04-26 Thread Soundman
pounce;540485 Wrote: > Perhaps some process crashed on you ;) > > Give it a factory reset to see if you get get it to stutter again > ...heh. you bet... :-) -- Soundman Soundman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2010-04-26 Thread pounce
Perhaps some process crashed on you ;) Give it a factory reset to see if you get get it to stutter again ...heh. -- pounce pounce's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12645 View this thread: http://f

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2010-04-26 Thread Soundman
pippin;540474 Wrote: > Touch keeps a permanent connection to MySB. Given the fact that MySB > tends to still have performance issues on weekends, could this be a > scheduling issue or something related to that? > > SqueezePlay runs all server communication links in the same thread in a > kind of

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2010-04-26 Thread pippin
Touch keeps a permanent connection to MySB. Given the fact that MySB tends to still have performance issues on weekends, could this be a scheduling issue or something related to that? SqueezePlay runs all server communication links in the same thread in a kind of cooperative-multitasking schedule

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2010-04-26 Thread Soundman
...but since today even 96/24 Flacs play from my USB-drive smoothly without any stuttering/rebuffering. No idea what happened, but as you can imagine I'm really happy now! Can someone explain this? -- Soundman Soundman's P

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2010-04-25 Thread Daverz
Well, now I'm not having any trouble with 24/96 or 24/88 flacs. I tried encoding some flacs with -8 and --best. No problem. But wav playback stutters (not an issue for me). -- Daverz Daverz's Profile: http://forums.slim

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2010-04-25 Thread Leigh
Let me preface this post by saying the only - and I mean only - reason I bought a Touch was for the 24/96 and 24/88.1 streaming. All of its other capabilities are unimportant to me, other than that fact that it integrates with all my other Logitech squeezeboxen. Here are my preliminary results. N

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2010-04-25 Thread Soundman
ncpl;540106 Wrote: > Soundman > Out of interest, can you try a few 96/24 tracks saved as .wav instead > of .flac? > If it presents no stuttering from any of the USB drives you mentioned > then it's not drive speed as the primary factor. > cheers No problems whatsoever wirh 96/24 wav-files, no ma

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2010-04-25 Thread ncpl
Soundman Out of interest, can you try a few 96/24 tracks saved as .wav instead of .flac? If it presents no stuttering from any of the USB drives you mentioned then it's not drive speed as the primary factor. cheers -- ncpl -

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2010-04-24 Thread Soundman
Hi all To clarify: I run the latest Software and play the music from a USB-drive directly from the Touch. I have the same problem with 96/24 files. First I used a WD elements and the stuttering/rebuffering was very bad. Impossible to listen to these tracks (Linn Studio Masters). Then I changed t

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2010-04-23 Thread mkt
I got my touch yesterday. When I tried out some 24/96 and 24/88.2 Linn flacs, I got skips when they started. This morning no skips, not one. Go figure. The only changes I made were to turn off the navigation sound effect and enable ssh. -- mkt ---

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2010-04-23 Thread mkt
I got my touch yesterday. When I tried out some 24/96 and 24/88.2 Linn flacs, I got skips when they started. This morning no skips, not one. Go figure. The only changes I made were to turn off the navigation sound effect and enable ssh. -- mkt ---

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2010-04-23 Thread ncpl
I'm streaming as wav not flac and that gets around the issue. So, it's unlikely to be bandwidth of network. Would prefer to stream as flac if only because that's what I always did with SB+. Sound level also seems lower than playing same track via a DVDA in a spinner. So, I wonder what is going

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2010-04-23 Thread ncpl
I'm streaming as wav not flac and that gets around the issue. So, it's unlikely to be bandwidth of network. Would prefer to stream as flac if only because that's what I always did with SB+. Sound level also seems lower than playing same track via a DVDA in a spinner. So, I wonder what is going

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2010-04-22 Thread JohnSwenson
JohnSwenson;539218 Wrote: > WEP 128. I have an old laptop in the house that doesn't support WPA. > > I suppose I could try WPA for a while and see what happens. > > John S. I just tried WPA2 and had no difference in performance, CPU utilization was essentially the save, still no dropouts at a

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2010-04-22 Thread JohnSwenson
mkt;539198 Wrote: > What WiFi security are you using? WPA? WEP 128. I have an old laptop in the house that doesn't support WPA. I suppose I could try WPA for a while and see what happens. John S. -- JohnSwenson JohnSw

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2010-04-22 Thread JohnSwenson
pounce;539014 Wrote: > What version are you running? 7.5.0 r8673 John S. -- JohnSwenson JohnSwenson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5974 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthr

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2010-04-22 Thread mkt
JohnSwenson;538770 Wrote: > Tonight I tried and tried to get it to stutter or do anything wrong and > nothing worked, it played flawlessly no matter what. 24/96 -8 flac, > over WiFi to the server with spectrum analyzer or VU meters, long name > so text scrolling in the now playing screen. I tried

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2010-04-22 Thread pounce
JohnSwenson;539000 Wrote: > I'm running the official firmware that everybody else should be using. What version are you running? -- pounce pounce's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12645 View thi

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2010-04-22 Thread JohnSwenson
pounce;538874 Wrote: > What firmware version are you running? > > I think you mentioned you were a beta customer. Do you know if the > hardware you have is production spec? > > Out of curiosity, what 24/96 tracks are you using and are these > available to the public somewhere? Wondering if we c

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2010-04-22 Thread pounce
JohnSwenson;538756 Wrote: > > Given the lack of problems that I've had I'm wondering what I'm doing > differently. > What firmware version are you running? I think you mentioned you were a beta customer. Do you know if the hardware you have is production spec? Out of curiosity, what 24/96 t

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2010-04-22 Thread ziggyb63
JohnSwenson;538770 Wrote: > The worst average CPU was about 50% which was when using VU meters. It's weird that things are so different in my environment!! During the stuttering on my Touch, looks like the CPU is maxed out.. 72% /usr/bin/jive 10% jive_alsa -d default -c default -b 200 8% jive-

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2010-04-22 Thread ncpl
Hi John, dumb question but you are definitely streaming as flac not wav ? cheers -- ncpl ncpl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6305 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2010-04-22 Thread JohnSwenson
Tonight I tried and tried to get it to stutter or do anything wrong and nothing worked, it played flawlessly no matter what. 24/96 -8 flac, over WiFi to the server with spectrum analyzer or VU meters, long name so text scrolling in the now playing screen. I tried slideshow over WiFi as well. It ju

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2010-04-21 Thread Rangdo
JohnSwenson;538756 Wrote: > I tested it quite a bit and never had a problem with an external server. > The only time I ever had any problem with with the builtin server and > that wasn't very often. > > Given the lack of problems that I've had I'm wondering what I'm doing > differently. > > T

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2010-04-21 Thread JohnSwenson
Daverz;538716 Wrote: > > > You guys didn't test 24/96 flacs over a wireless network? I tested it quite a bit and never had a problem with an external server. The only time I ever had any problem with with the builtin server and that wasn't very often. Given the lack of problems that I've had

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2010-04-21 Thread Daverz
andyg;538713 Wrote: > Interesting, especially since I just noticed that the output_threshold > code seems to be commented out in SqueezePlay... will need some more > investigation. I spoke too soon. I was probably testing wrong when I thought there wasn't a stutter. That setting doesn't effect

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2010-04-21 Thread andyg
Interesting, especially since I just noticed that the output_threshold code seems to be commented out in SqueezePlay... will need some more investigation. -- andyg andyg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2010-04-21 Thread Daverz
andyg;538006 Wrote: > Yes the main area that is a problem is the initial startup of a 24/96 > track. > > If anyone wants to experiment, try adjusting the $outputThreshold value > in Slim::Player::Squeezebox: > > > Code: > > > # Threshold the output buffe

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2010-04-20 Thread andyg
Yes the main area that is a problem is the initial startup of a 24/96 track. If anyone wants to experiment, try adjusting the $outputThreshold value in Slim::Player::Squeezebox: Code: # Threshold the output buffer for high sample-rate flac.

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2010-04-20 Thread ziggyb63
May have stumbled on how to do reproduce this... Happens to me when I *start *a track with the Analog VU meters as the Now Playing display. i get stuttering. If I start the track with the normal Album art and text now playing, all plays well, and I can change to the VU display, and the track kee

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2010-04-20 Thread ziggyb63
So I was just prompted to download this firmware to the Touch, which I did. I set up SSH and was doing a top on the files that previously stuttered... and now all is OK! /usr/bin/jive is at like 60%... Was this firmware release to address this? -- ziggyb63

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2010-04-20 Thread ziggyb63
Phil Leigh;537978 Wrote: > Where did you get yours from? - that's not an officially released > version (20070917 is...) Sheesh, so long ago I have no idea! It's under my EAC subdirectories, so maybe from there? I have just used FooBar2000 to convert using the 20070917 version, and the filesizes

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2010-04-20 Thread Phil Leigh
ziggyb63;537954 Wrote: > Yes, they are different... > > The original was flac-ed in 1.2.1.20070917 and I have 1.2.1.20070715 on > my PC... Where did you get yours from? - that's not an officially released version (20070917 is...) -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2010-04-20 Thread ziggyb63
Phil Leigh;537908 Wrote: > ...but, but, that's impossible! - unless different versions of the flac > encoder library were involved... hmmm... Yes, they are different... The original was flac-ed in 1.2.1.20070917 and I have 1.2.1.20070715 on my PC... -- ziggyb63 --

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2010-04-20 Thread Phil Leigh
Phil Leigh;537863 Wrote: > John, > I've just connected a USB drive with 7 24/96 -8 files to my Touch. > Shortly after the scan completed, playback of all 7 tracks was started. > Some minutes into the first track I got a stutter. At that time, top via > ssh showed me that usr/bin/jive was using 45

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2010-04-20 Thread Rangdo
ziggyb63;537896 Wrote: > S'interesting, that's the one that gives me problems too - Spanish > Harlem was the one in particular, but there are others. Just going on a tangent, it couldn't be anything to do with the FLAC version used to encode could it? I was playing Holst Planets yesterday from

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2010-04-20 Thread Phil Leigh
ziggyb63;537895 Wrote: > Hi John, > > I don't knwo what the compression level was I am afraid - is there a > way to find out? It's not stored in the tags anywhere. What I do know > is that if I convert the original to wav, then flac at -8, the > resulting file is larger in size than the original

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2010-04-20 Thread ziggyb63
Peter314;537859 Wrote: > Curious. I removed the thumb drive from the USB port and changed an > HDTracks album (World's Greatest Audiophile Vocal...) from -0 to -8. > This is the one that stuttered before. It all played fine on the wired > Touch, no stuttering. > Peter S'interesting, that's the o

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2010-04-20 Thread ziggyb63
JohnSwenson;537854 Wrote: > Do you happen to know what the compression level was to begin with? > > Did you have anything plugged into the USB or SD connectors when you > experienced the stuttering? If not then this is very important info. > > Would you be willing to ssh into the Touch and run

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2010-04-20 Thread ziggyb63
JohnSwenson;537854 Wrote: > Do you happen to know what the compression level was to begin with? > > Did you have anything plugged into the USB or SD connectors when you > experienced the stuttering? If not then this is very important info. > > Would you be willing to ssh into the Touch and run

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)

2010-04-20 Thread Phil Leigh
JohnSwenson;537854 Wrote: > Do you happen to know what the compression level was to begin with? > > Did you have anything plugged into the USB or SD connectors when you > experienced the stuttering? If not then this is very important info. > > Would you be willing to ssh into the Touch and run

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