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DAVEH: Thank you, Kevin. BTW..Is there any good you can think of
Judas?
Kevin Deegan wrote:
Judas, He is a devil
Here is his pedigree:
He was NOT a believer!
Jn 6:64 But there are some of you that believe not.
For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not,
DAVEH: Hi John...This is a thread I'd like to pursue, but am
rather short on time right now. I'm leaving for a couple weeks, so it
may be a month or two before I can get back to it. Do you want to hold
onto your thoughts that long? If so.remind me as we approach
summer. Thanx in
Some very few may but probably most don't. I think
you know that from experience. I believe you see the connection. The Bible is
always read, even by yourself, through "glasses".Something that even the
Spirit of God appears not to do is to override the influence of those "glasses"
(our
See Malcolm Jeeves on this. Lance
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From:
Wm. Taylor
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: March 15, 2004 01:27
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Soul
searching.
I said Oh David, I thing we are
agreeing. When we speak of the mind we do not believe
That's really funny, and true. {:)
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 12:58 AM
Subject: [TruthTalk] Courtesy of Cousin Ben
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From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Some very few may but probably most don't. I think
you know that
from experience. I believe you see the connection.
The Bible is always
read, even by yourself, through
"glasses".
jt: Not always, God looks atour
heart attitude when we come to His Word
Ahhh but, which Jesus. This was, is and will be the
central question until the eschaton at which point it will the name spoken in
acknowledgement and praise. Lance
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From:
Terry Clifton
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: March 15, 2004 07:47
Subject:
EPH 4:13 - Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of
From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
You missed the whole point Kevin. Everyone here is standing
on the word of God, and none of uc are in agreement.
jt: I don't know that the above is true Terry. What
does it mean
to take a stand on God's Word? Everyone seems to
know parts
of it but
Amos 3:3 Can two walk together, except they be agreed?
Everyone? Standing on the word? LOL
PS 119:128 Therefore I esteem all thy precepts concerning all things to be right; and I hate every false way.
Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You missed the whole point Kevin. Everyone here is
From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ahhh but, which Jesus. This was, is and will be the
central question
until the eschaton at which point it will the name
spoken in acknowledgement
and praise. Lance
jt: I'm not familiar with the term
'eschaton' (is that scriptural?) but by the time
many
I too perceive a "snarl" in virtually every
response. I also agree re: the rapidity of the responses. Also, what's the deal
with failing to make a distinction with the so-called self-interpreting nature
of God's Word? Obviously it's one's own understanding/interpretation AT THIS
POINT IN
From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I too perceive a "snarl" in virtually every
response. I also agree re:
the rapidity of the responses.
jt: have you ever questioned where
this perception comes from Lance?
Do you take every thought captive to
the obedience of Christ? In normal
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From:
Judy
Taylor
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: March 15, 2004 08:57
Subject: [TruthTalk] "Snarling"while
standing under God's Word
From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I too perceive a "snarl" in virtually every
response. I also
I said Truth is important, I agree. But
truth to the exclusion of unity changes nature
somehow.
DAVEH said I'm not quite sure what you mean by that,
Bill.
I think we tend to confuse the
distinction between preserving the truth and pursuing it. If we're not clear
about our motive,
From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Also, OUCH! Judy strikes another BLOW for her
TRUTH.
May God grant that we might all join Judy on that
high perch from
which she looks down on unenlightened folks.
Lance
jt: Is the above a "meaty" and mature response Lance or
the other kind which
Kevin Deegan wrote:
All I know is what scripture relates of him.
DAVEH: I understand. I was thinking you might consider looking beyond
how Scripture specifically denounces him and think of him as perhaps
Jesus saw him at the time he chose him to be an apostle. IOW...do
you ever see
Bill wrote:
I think the key to what I am getting at is in
this idea of distinct but interrelated.
Yes, Bill, I think we do agree on this. I do see a VERY close
interrelationship, and, therefore, it is proper to speak of them
holistically as well as from a reductionist standpoint.
Bill wrote:
Judy wrote:
what if the product or end result of their recipes
stink? Athanasius for instance was Bishop of
Alexandria and was made a Dr. of the RCC.
Now that's some fine recommendation. Look at
the awful darkness inhabiting that structure.
I'm better of reading the Bible, at least I
DaveH,
There is more unity among the Christians here on TT, and in the large,
than perhaps you see. Sure, we may disagree on the fringe aspects, like
what soul really is, or whether the blood contains life and death, but I
believe that we are aligned on the central theme of the
Judy wrote:
So far as the 'sacrifices' were concerned they
couldn't have any physical blemish they had
to be perfect.
The law is spiritual, but your reading here is staying in the natural.
Just as the law forbid eating pigs and shellfish, so it gave physical
requirements concerning
From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Judy
wrote: what if the product or end result of their recipes
stink? Athanasius for instance was Bishop of Alexandria and was made a
Dr. of the RCC. Now that's some fine recommendation. Look at
the awful darkness inhabiting that structure. I'm
David Miller wrote:
I tend to look at the soul as
identifying something that emerges between spirit and body. It seems to
me that the soul is produced once we have the spirit and body connected
together, and that it is an emergent property produced as a result of
the synergy between the two.
Apart from your "virtual" acquaintances out here in
the ether do any of your real acquaintances ( friends, family etc) perceive
youTHIS WAY? (you're much to perceiptive not catch my dift)
LanceOriginal Message -
From:
Judy
Taylor
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: March 15,
David Miller wrote:
The RCC also made Jesus the Son of God and
the Savior of all mankind.
Judy wrote:
They didn't make Him that, He has been
that from all eternity.
I was using the word made in the same vein that you were using it
concerning their recognition of Athanasius's learning.
On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 23:19:09 -0800 Dave
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I [prefer to] see
Christians learn to treat others as I perceive Jesus
would.
this is interesting--partic this word '..would';
e.g. '..would' as/if heis LDS '...would' as/if he didn't relate
perfectly to
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From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: March 15, 2004 11:44
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Tough being a
Christian (don't bother unless you can muster up the courage to kiss your
'Polanyi' goodbye)
On Sun, 14 Mar 2004
Why quibble?
"A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump" Galatians 5:9
You do not mind a little leaven here there.
I'l take mine without thanks.David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
David Miller wrote: The RCC also made Jesus the Son of God and the Savior of all mankind.Judy wrote: They didn't
Judy Taylor wrote:
The true safeguard for
all of us is loving God's Word (Psalm
119:165) which is really all that
matters and all that will endure the
fireanyway.
judyt
=
That is not all that matters or all
\o/ !HALALUYah! \o/
Greetings in the Matchless NameofYahShua!!
The sin of the garden is generally put forth as disobedience.
Certainly it was that. However, there is so much more.
Covetousness is what spurred the disobedience. Coveting the knowledge
of ALL things. Coveting the
From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Judy Taylor wrote:The true safeguard for
all of us is loving God's Word
(Psalm 119:165) which is
really all that matters and all
that will endure the fireanyway.
terry: That is not all that matters or all that will endure.
jt: "all flesh is grass,
The law is spiritual, but your reading here is staying in the natural.Just as the law forbid eating pigs and shellfish, so it gave physicalrequirements concerning sacrifices. Think about it. What is the point?Do a few black hairs forming a spot on an otherwise white lamb reallymake it "unholy"
jt: I'm not arguing the point above but I
will say that it is
not only difficult, it all but impossible
to loveunless we love
God first and how does one love Him while
dismissing
His Word? No one is dismissing God's
word. I simply question that you are the only one who understands
From: "Wm. Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Judy: Adam and Eve were tempted
by the lust of the eye; the lust of the
flesh; and the boastful pride of life also - does this
mean that they had a
fallen nature residing in theirhuman flesh
also?
Great question, Judy.
The answer is No. Yet that does
From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Judy wrote: So far as the 'sacrifices' were concerned they
couldn't have any physical blemish they had to be
perfect.
The law is spiritual, but your reading here is staying in the
natural.Just as the law forbid eating pigs and shellfish, so it gave
Terry why are you angry and what do you want
from me?
Terry writes:
a) No one is dismissing God's word.
I simply question that you are the only one
who understands it.
b) No, but you seem to assume that you are
right all the time.
c) I would assume that the opinion of those you love
Kevin wrote:
I fail to see why we should accept error at all.
We should never accept error.
Kevin wrote:
Mormons express truth once in a Blue Moon,
why don't you join them?
Because to become a Mormon I would have to embrace the error of Joseph
Smith and the Mormon religious machinery.
OK Vincent and DavidM, I accept the verdict (I didn't consciously use
logic); if you say that's what it is - what can I say? Guilty?? Hope
it doesn't make you want to throw out all of it ...
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Therefore, you made an inference, which is using logic. David
Miller's comment
I think you guys may have been right the passion is being used as a witnessing tool!
http://www.spiritualityhealth.com/newsh/items/review-feature/item_8283.htmlThe Passion of the Christ: A Meditation based on the Stations of the Cross
http://www.katolsk.no/nyheter/2004/03/03-0009.htm'The
Judy wrote:
Why keep replicating error upon error?
That is the point. Why keep replicating error when we have so many
witnesses that have gone before us?
Judy wrote:
Look at the idolatry and error in the RCC.
I can't believe you are endorsing and even
encouraging drinking from such a
It is very likely that your Bible would have different books in it if it were notfor Athanasius.
Are you then saying the cannon was determined apart from God?David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Judy wrote: Why keep replicating error upon error? That is the point. Why keep replicating error
I think Dean was not concerned with the list.
To you he is a MONKDavid Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Kevin wrote: I fail to see why we should accept error at all.We should never accept error.Kevin wrote: Mormons express truth once in a Blue Moon, why don't you join them?Because to become a
There were things that could have been stated, but for the cause of the Apostles not being able to bear them. They were not revealed. What do you suppose those things were. Are they yet to be revealed how do you determine what they were?David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Kevin wrote: If god
By far, the most extensive
discussion of religion in Polanyi's writing comes in his final book
Meaning, written, as his health declined, with the help of the American
philosopher Harry Prosch. In this book, Polanyi tries to extend his
epistemological model to describe the nature of human
Kevin wrote:
Are they yet to be revealed how
do you determine what they were?
Why are you asking me if the Bible alone is sufficient for you.
... ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is
unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as
many as the
Kevin wrote:
Are you then saying the cannon was
determined apart from God?
No. God used some men, like Paul, to write it, and he used some men,
like Athanasius, to determine what would be part of the canon for future
generations.
Peace be with you.
David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida.
From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Kevin, you still don't seem to understand
the difference
between "Scripture" and "the word of
God." The word of
God is
eternal. Scripture is not. Scripture is the
written word, but the word of
God is the living word.
jt: The scriptures themselves
So you get truth from the Holy Ghost?
If you want to know truth on a subject, do you pray and ask?
Does He speak to you?
How exactly does this work?David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Kevin wrote: Are they yet to be revealed how do you determine what they were?Why are you asking me if the
Judy Taylor wrote:
Terry why are you angry and what
do you want from me?
I am not angry Judy, just frustrated. I was hoping that I could reason
without being accused of compromise. I was hoping to hear that you
love your brothers and sisters in Christ and want to communicate with
We now know contrary to DAVEM's opinion, that the scriptures did exist before Mount Sinai. Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Kevin, you still don't seem to understand the difference
between "Scripture" and "the word of God." The word of
God is
Judy wrote:
The scriptures themselves are either a
dead letter or a living epistle ...
It seems like you are putting me into the position of saying that
Scriptures do not minister life. That is not my intention. I'm trying
to draw a distinction between God's Word which comes from a living
Kevin wrote:
We now know ... that the scriptures did
exist before Mount Sinai.
No, we do not know that Kevin. You offered some passages suggesting
that they indicate Scriptures speaking to Pharaoh and to Abraham. I
don't see it that way. I don't know how to discuss it with you, because
if
DavidM says Well, the Bible has several quotes from writings which we do not currently have in our Bible. This suggests that there are Scriptures beyond what is in our Bible.
Titus 1:12 One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.
Wm. Taylor wrote:
I said
Truth is important, I agree. But truth to the exclusion of unity
changes nature somehow.
DAVEH said I'm not quite sure
what you mean by that, Bill.
I think we tend to
confuse the distinction between preserving the truth
DAVEH:
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