Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Only this Message can give Assurance

2005-04-11 Thread David Miller
Only this Message can give AssuranceLance wrote: Preaching predestination, or creation, or the new birth, or the baptism of the Spirit is not preaching the gospel. Acts 2:38 and Acts 19 indicate that baptism of the Spirit is part of the gospel. So is the new birth. No time to prove it all to

[TruthTalk] Fw: McLaren Reviews

2005-04-10 Thread Lance Muir
- Original Message - From: Hughes Jonathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: April 10, 2005 13:17 Subject: McLaren Reviews In The Last Word and the Word After That, Brian McLaren completes his New Kind of Christian trilogy. Since McLaren describes his writing as

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: McLaren Reviews

2005-04-10 Thread Terry Clifton
Lance Muir wrote: - Original Message - From: Hughes Jonathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: April 10, 2005 13:17 Subject: McLaren Reviews In The Last Word and the Word After That, Brian McLaren completes his New Kind of Christian trilogy. Since McLaren describes

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: McLaren Reviews

2005-04-10 Thread Lance Muir
:52 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: McLaren Reviews Lance Muir wrote: - Original Message - From: Hughes Jonathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: April 10, 2005 13:17 Subject: McLaren Reviews In The Last Word and the Word After That, Brian McLaren completes

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: McLaren Reviews

2005-04-10 Thread Debbie Sawczak
: Sunday, April 10, 2005 1:31 PM Subject: [TruthTalk] Fw: McLaren Reviews - Original Message - From: Hughes Jonathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: April 10, 2005 13:17 Subject: McLaren Reviews In The Last Word and the Word After That, Brian McLaren completes his

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: McLaren Reviews

2005-04-10 Thread Lance Muir
I've had no 'bleep(ing)' report. - Original Message - From: Debbie Sawczak [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: April 10, 2005 14:16 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: McLaren Reviews One line I have trouble with in the second review is: Upon publication of this book

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: McLaren Reviews

2005-04-10 Thread Terry Clifton
Debbie Sawczak wrote: One line I have trouble with in the second review is: Upon publication of this book, McLaren is going to find out who...the real Christians in his midst are. How the hell will he know? Debbie == The neat way

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: McLaren Reviews

2005-04-10 Thread ShieldsFamily
Youll make gazillions, Terry! J Izzy == If someone were to write a book saying that the Bible is true, you can trust it, it would be a very short book. Very few people would buy it and the author would die a

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: McLaren Reviews

2005-04-10 Thread Debbie Sawczak
I was suspecting he was going to take the other neat route: negative review of my book = not a real Christian Debbie - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 4:33 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: McLaren Reviews

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: McLaren Reviews

2005-04-10 Thread Terry Clifton
Debbie Sawczak wrote: I was suspecting he was going to take the other neat route: negative review of my book = not a real Christian Debbie === Only a slim possibility. That's the way we do it here. Surely authors have higher standards to

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: McLaren Reviews

2005-04-10 Thread Caroline Wong
By how much hell they raise :-) Love, Caroline - Original Message - From: Debbie Sawczak [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 1:16 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: McLaren Reviews One line I have trouble with in the second review is: Upon

[TruthTalk] Fw: Fictitous interview with Karl Barth

2005-04-06 Thread Caroline Wong
I sent the Fictitious Interview with Karl Barth to my pastor and here is his response. I asked for his permission to post here and he said sure, what's the worse that can happen. Then he said, don't answer that. I've told him a little about TT. Just a quickie bio on him. He is a pastor of

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fictitous interview with Karl Barth

2005-04-06 Thread David Miller
Lance wrote: David Miller is perhaps the best one to reference when making this point. He engages JS and BT ad nauseum on the smallest of points. He deems these distinctions to be of great importance. From my perspective, most of the theology issues are relatively minor. Concepts about the

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fictitous interview with Karl Barth

2005-04-06 Thread David Miller
Debbie wrote: Some things to consider with regard to communication: A text, whether spoken or written, is not itself a message but only a vehicle for a message. Also, it is not independent of speaker and hearer. In fact, in any act of discourse, we have to recognize not only the message but:

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fictitous interview with Karl Barth

2005-04-06 Thread Judy Taylor
On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 10:08:26 -0500 "Caroline Wong" [EMAIL PROTECTED]writes: I sent the Fictitious Interview with Karl Barth to my pastor and here is his response. I asked for his permission to post here and he said sure, what's the worse that can happen. Then he said, don't answer that.

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fictitous interview with Karl Barth

2005-04-06 Thread Lance Muir
Isn't it a shame that there is no Hebrew punctuation? - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: April 06, 2005 10:33 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fictitous interview with Karl Barth Lance wrote: David Miller is perhaps the best

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fictitous interview with Karl Barth

2005-04-06 Thread David Miller
Caroline wrote: I sent the Fictitious Interview with Karl Barth to my pastor and here is his response. Very interesting read, Caroline. Thanks very much. Peace be with you.David Miller.

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fictitous interview with Karl Barth

2005-04-06 Thread Debbie Sawczak
Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 11:00 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fictitous interview with Karl Barth Debbie wrote: Some things to consider with regard to communication: A text, whether spoken or written, is not itself a message but only

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fictitous interview with Karl Barth

2005-04-06 Thread Debbie Sawczak
Enjoyed this too. Think I'll save it. Debbie - Original Message - From: Caroline Wong To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 11:08 AM Subject: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fictitous interview with Karl Barth I sent the Fictitious

[TruthTalk] Fw: Fictitous interview with Karl Barth

2005-04-05 Thread Lance Muir
- Original Message - From: Jonathan Hughes To: Lance Muir Sent: April 04, 2005 20:09 Subject: Fictitous interview with Karl Barth From: http://rclough.blogspot.com/2005/04/interview-with-barth-on-inerrancy-of_01.htmlStudent: Professor Barth, welcome to the University. I came to

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fictitous interview with Karl Barth

2005-04-05 Thread Judy Taylor
Is this actually taken from Barth's theology Lance? On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 05:28:19 -0400 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: KB: Likely so, but we are not God, so that the best we can say is that it would seem so. Hebrew 4:12 puts it that the text, under these conditions, is like a

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fictitous interview with Karl Barth

2005-04-05 Thread Judy Taylor
I'm interested in what Jesus (The Word of God) says Lance, and unlike you I believe He is able to give understanding in spite of all the complicated issues you have raised in the past because His Word says "If any of you lack wisdom let him ask of God that giveth to all men liberally, and

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fictitous interview with Karl Barth

2005-04-05 Thread Lance Muir
at hand. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: April 05, 2005 06:40 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fictitous interview with Karl Barth I'm interested in what Jesus (The Word of God) says

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fictitous interview with Karl Barth

2005-04-05 Thread Judy Taylor
Here we go again ... back to the old smoke screen - "different meanings" - "enlightenment thinking". There are different 'doctrines' of men out there Lance but God's Word says what it says as is and until you are willing to humble yourself and come to the Word of Truth to learn rather than

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fictitous interview with Karl Barth

2005-04-05 Thread Lance Muir
Sent: April 05, 2005 07:21 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fictitous interview with Karl Barth Here we go again ... back to the old smoke screen - "different meanings" - "enlightenment thinking". There are different 'doctrines' of men out there Lance but God's Wo

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fictitous interview with Karl Barth

2005-04-05 Thread Debbie Sawczak
: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 7:29 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fictitous interview with Karl Barth Q:When we misapprehend the meaning of a fellow TTer, just what is going on between Us them as to words/language? David

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fictitous interview with Karl Barth

2005-04-05 Thread Terry Clifton
Debbie Sawczak wrote: Some things to consider with regard to communication: Atext, whether spoken or written,is not itself a message but only a vehicle for a message.Also,it is not independent of speaker and hearer. In fact, in any act of discourse,we have torecognizenot

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fictitous interview with Karl Barth

2005-04-05 Thread ttxpress
gether and therefore entail different concrete contexts. Debbie - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 7:29 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fictitous interview with Karl Bart

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fictitous interview with Karl Barth

2005-04-05 Thread Debbie Sawczak
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fictitous interview with Karl Barth You've got it Terry - why anyone would take such a wonderful and life-giving Word of Truth and try to make it so complicated and convoluted - is a mystery, butcertainly not the mystery of godliness judyt On Tue

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fictitous interview with Karl Barth

2005-04-05 Thread Debbie Sawczak
@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 5:55 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fictitous interview with Karl Barth You've got it Terry - why anyone would take such a wonderful and life-giving Word of Truth and try to make it so

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fictitous interview with Karl Barth

2005-04-05 Thread ShieldsFamily
: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fictitous interview with Karl Barth You've got it Terry - why anyone would take such a wonderful and life-giving Word of Truth and try to make it so complicated and convoluted - is a mystery, butcertainly not the mystery of godliness judyt On Tue, 05 Apr 2005

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fictitous interview with Karl Barth

2005-04-05 Thread ShieldsFamily
From one of our most astute communicators, indeed..Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 4:26 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fictitous interview with Karl Barth

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fictitous interview with Karl Barth

2005-04-05 Thread ttxpress
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 4:26 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fictitous interview with Karl Barth ignore the ignorant, pls; this postis v insightful, D; (in its intendedcontext)a valuablereferenc

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fictitous interview with Karl Barth

2005-04-05 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/5/2005 2:39:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Debbie Sawczak wrote: Some things to consider with regard to communication: A text, whether spoken or written, is not itself a message but only a vehicle for a message. Also, it is not independent of

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fictitous interview with Karl Barth

2005-04-05 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/5/2005 3:29:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ignore the ignorant, pls; this post is v insightful, D; (in its intended context) a valuable reference relative to reading/writing email on TT thank you v much for this post! g :: tt moderator On Tue, 5

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fictitous interview with Karl Barth

2005-04-05 Thread Dave Hansen
, 2005 4:26 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fictitous interview with Karl Barth ignore the ignorant, pls; this postis v insightful, D; (in its intendedcontext)a valuablereference relative to reading/writing email on TT thank you v much

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance and Sin - Holy People?

2005-04-02 Thread David Miller
Bill wrote: I wonder how many legalists over the centuries have known they were such? Bill, aren't we all on TruthTalk legalists in one way or another? It seems to me that we are all just legalists toward different objects. Some are legalists in regards to following Scripture. Others are

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance and Sin - Holy People?

2005-04-02 Thread Lance Muir
] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: April 02, 2005 08:36 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance and Sin - Holy People? Bill wrote: I wonder how many legalists over the centuries have known they were such? Bill, aren't we all on TruthTalk legalists in one way or another? It seems to me that we

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance and Sin - Holy People?

2005-04-02 Thread ShieldsFamily
What about Izzy, Lance? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 11:59 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance and Sin - Holy People? Some others are legalists

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance and Sin - Holy People?

2005-04-01 Thread Lance Muir
That was loud enough for me to have heard you, John. Amen, brother. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: April 01, 2005 02:37 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance and Sin - Holy People? In a message dated 3/31

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance and Sin - Holy People?

2005-04-01 Thread Lance Muir
Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 31, 2005 20:13 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance and Sin - Holy People? No, I’m afraid I don’t understand a “Christian” school that teaches about Bahai, but not critically

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance and Sin - Holy People?

2005-04-01 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/1/2005 1:14:37 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: An acquaintance teaches at a local seminary on, among other subjects, world religions and cults.After briefing his students on the various religions and religious groups, he either takes them to their

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance and Sin - Holy People?

2005-04-01 Thread Lance Muir
] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: April 01, 2005 04:32 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance and Sin - Holy People? In a message dated 4/1/2005 1:14:37 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: An acquaintance teaches at a local seminary on, among other

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance and Sin - Holy People?

2005-04-01 Thread ShieldsFamily
Sorry you are so tempted. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Debbie Sawczak Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 10:39 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance and Sin - Holy People? Exactly the passage I

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance and Sin - Holy People?

2005-04-01 Thread Terry Clifton
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/31/2005 6:52:33 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I will stubbornly believe the best of you! :-) Intellectually, I understand and give credence to this opinion, of late expressed by Lance and Bill.

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance and Sin - Holy People?

2005-04-01 Thread Bill Taylor
Man, that is the truth! :) bill - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 3:17 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance and Sin - Holy People? When one equates one's statement(s) of the truth

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance and Sin - Holy People?

2005-04-01 Thread Bill Taylor
I wonder how many legalists over the centuries have know they were such? Not many I suppose. Bill - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 12:37 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance and Sin - Holy People?

2005-04-01 Thread ShieldsFamily
JD, Until you choose to stop projecting the demons from your past upon others, you will have to risk being one sick puppy. How long will you choose to carry around a sack full of dead bones? Let it go. Izzy Just thinking out loud. John

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance and Sin - Holy People?

2005-04-01 Thread Judy Taylor
What are you saying? That we can't know truth? That we are all in the same shape as Pontius Pilate whose famous words are "What is truth?" That Jesus didn't really mean it when he told his disciples "You shall KNOW the truth and the truth will make you free?" So now everyone who believes

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance and Sin - Holy People?

2005-04-01 Thread ShieldsFamily
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 7:32 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance and Sin - Holy People? I wonder how many legalists over the centuries have know they were such? Not many I suppose. Bill

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance and Sin - Holy People?

2005-04-01 Thread Knpraise
The passing of the Pope - and it is just that, I suppose, offers me the occasion to speak of my deeply felt respect for this leader. In simple terms, he has been a stud !! I include him in my prayers -- knowing that God has included him in the reconciliation of all unto Himself. God bless John

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance and Sin - Holy People?

2005-04-01 Thread Lance Muir
A hearty Amen! - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: April 01, 2005 11:34 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance and Sin - Holy People? The passing of the Pope - and it is just that, I suppose, offers me

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance and Sin - Holy People?

2005-04-01 Thread Bill Taylor
6:51 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance and Sin - Holy People? I wonder how many “intellectuals” take comfort in labeling people who cherish God’s Word “legalists”? Maybe the Popes were right to burn them at the stake for so many centuries? Darn—we still won’t go away

[TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance and Sin - Holy People?

2005-03-31 Thread Lance Muir
- Original Message - From: Jonathan Hughes To: Lance Muir Sent: March 30, 2005 20:53 Subject: Torrance and Sin - Holy People? TF Torrance quote to follow. Keep in mind the short discussion we had today regarding whether the real problem we face is sin. Torrance does a beautiful

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance and Sin - Holy People?

2005-03-31 Thread Judy Taylor
On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 04:34:01 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From: Jonathan Hughes TF Torrance quote to follow. Keep in mind the short discussion we had today regarding whether the real problem we face is sin. Torrance does a beautiful 180 here and states that

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance and Sin - Holy People?

2005-03-31 Thread Lance Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 31, 2005 06:51 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance and Sin - Holy People? On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 04:34:01 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From: Jonathan Hughes TF Torr

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance and Sin - Holy People?

2005-03-31 Thread ShieldsFamily
How can we get beyond 'camps'? Kevin cited a verse from John with theunderstanding that no correct interpretation of it could be other than the one that he and, I assumeyou, Linda David hold to also. IFF the understanding that you, collectively, hold on this and, on other matters is

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance and Sin - Holy People?

2005-03-31 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/31/2005 5:58:12 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: IFF no amount of Scriptural support for another understanding will EVER see any one of you alter your position then, how are we to engage one another? Lance, this is a very strange comment coming from

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance and Sin - Holy People?

2005-03-31 Thread ShieldsFamily
IFF no amount of Scriptural support for another understanding will EVER see any one of you alter your position then, how are we to engage one another? Lance, this is a very strange comment coming from the only one in your camp who refused to even discuss the meaning of that scripture.

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance and Sin - Holy People?

2005-03-31 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/31/2005 6:38:55 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Lance, this is a very strange comment coming from the only one in your camp who refused to even discuss the meaning of that scripture. All of us have explained our understanding of it. We are still waiting

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance and Sin - Holy People?

2005-03-31 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/31/2005 3:55:07 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Torrance writes; The covenant between God and Israel was not a covenant between God and a holy people, but precisely the reverse. It was a covenant established out of pure grace between God and Israel in its

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance and Sin - Holy People?

2005-03-31 Thread ShieldsFamily
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 8:47 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance and Sin - Holy People? In a message dated 3/31/2005 6:38:55 AM Pacific Standard

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance and Sin - Holy People?

2005-03-31 Thread Debbie Sawczak
31, 2005 7:54 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance and Sin - Holy People? Yesterday Bill found one of David's posts helpful in clarifying David's use of the word 'perfect'. Bill exhibiteda heart/mind prepared to change. There are other examples of this on Bill's part

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance and Sin - Holy People?

2005-03-31 Thread David Miller
Lance wrote: IFF no amount of Scriptural support for another understanding will EVER see any one of you alter your position then, how are we to engage one another? John wrote: I would be interested in Linda Shields answer to Lance's question above as well as Terry's, Millers, Deegan's

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance and Sin - Holy People?

2005-03-31 Thread Lance Muir
. Yet, have you misapprehended it. - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 31, 2005 14:51 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance and Sin - Holy People? Lance wrote: IFF no amount of Scriptural support for another

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance and Sin - Holy People?

2005-03-31 Thread ShieldsFamily
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Debbie Sawczak Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 1:25 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance and Sin - Holy People? On the heels of the whole discussion about misrepresenting one

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance and Sin - Holy People?

2005-03-31 Thread Debbie Sawczak
trumpery lest I die. Debbie - Original Message - From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 6:01 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance and Sin - Holy People? Lance wrote: Bill Taylor has done that which I've not.

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance and Sin - Holy People?

2005-03-31 Thread Debbie Sawczak
al Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 6:07 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance and Sin - Holy People? I am wondering if your son’s Christian school encouraged the children to examine why they do not

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance and Sin - Holy People?

2005-03-31 Thread ShieldsFamily
] On Behalf Of Debbie Sawczak Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 5:34 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance and Sin - Holy People? The presentation itself was just about Bahai. It had no other purpose. Sort of along the lines of, OK, after all this, this is what we hear

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance and Sin - Holy People?

2005-03-31 Thread Debbie Sawczak
@mail.innglory.org Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 8:13 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance and Sin - Holy People? No, I’m afraid I don’t understand a “Christian” school that teaches about Bahai, but not critically; or a Christian school teacher who “does not prescribe

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance and Sin - Holy People?

2005-03-31 Thread ShieldsFamily
Izzy in blue: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Debbie Sawczak Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 8:50 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance and Sin - Holy People? Oh for pity's sake, Izzy, my dear elder sister

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance and Sin - Holy People?

2005-03-31 Thread Debbie Sawczak
Exactly the passage I was thinking of.The stubbornness is requiredin order tostand againstthe temptation todo otherwise. 'Night. Debbie I will stubbornly believe the best of you! :-) Stubbornness not required. You have God’s permission to assume the best of others in I Cor

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance and Sin - Holy People?

2005-03-31 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/31/2005 6:52:33 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I will stubbornly believe the best of you! :-) Intellectually, I understand and give credence to this opinion, of late expressed by Lance and Bill. Emotionally, I am not there. A confession of sorts. I

[TruthTalk] Fw: Carolines Blog - Today's Post

2005-03-30 Thread Lance Muir
Title: Carolines Blog - Today's Post - Original Message - From: Hughes Jonathan To: Lance Muir Sent: March 30, 2005 13:04 Subject: Carolines Blog - Today's Post March 30, 2005 when cats fight One morning, as I was blearily coming to consciousness, I became aware of my cat (the fat

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Carolines Blog - Today's Post

2005-03-30 Thread Kevin Deegan
OK you follow the WorLd the Cat Lady of Mississauga I will follow the Word!Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  - Original Message - From: Hughes Jonathan To: Lance Muir Sent: March 30, 2005 13:04 Subject: Carolines Blog - Today's Post March 30, 2005 when cats fight One morning,

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Carolines Blog - Today's Post

2005-03-30 Thread Terry Clifton
Lance Muir wrote: Carolines Blog - Today's Post - Original Message - From: Hughes Jonathan To: Lance Muir Sent: March 30, 2005 13:04 Subject: Carolines Blog - Today's Post March 30, 2005 when cats fight One morning, as I was blearily

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Carolines Blog - Today's Post

2005-03-30 Thread ShieldsFamily
Title: Carolines Blog - Today's Post === The simple solution in these cases is to simply drown the cats, and if absolutely necessary, replace them. They are free, you know. Terry Fortunately that is not necessary, Terry. Cats,

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Carolines Blog - Today's Post

2005-03-30 Thread Terry Clifton
ShieldsFamily wrote: Carolines Blog - Today's Post === The simple solution in these cases is to simply drown the cats, and if absolutely necessary, replace them. They are free, you know. Terry Fortunately that is

[TruthTalk] Fw: Last post about Grenz...for a while

2005-03-29 Thread Lance Muir
Appears peripherally related to the ongoing conversations(s), IMO. - Original Message - From: Jonathan Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: March 28, 2005 21:03 Subject: Last post about Grenz...for a while Last one for a while...here is a friend of Grenz's

[TruthTalk] Fw: McLaren on his new book

2005-03-20 Thread Lance Muir
- Original Message - From: Jonathan Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: March 20, 2005 16:25 Subject: McLaren on his new book Spring Update Hi, friends - thanks for visiting the site. If you're new - I hope you'll find helpful information here,

[TruthTalk] Fw: A little unexpected theology

2005-03-18 Thread Lance Muir
- Original Message - From: Barb Annunziello [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: March 18, 2005 09:38 Subject: A little unexpected theology Hey there. Thought you would like a little section I came across in a novel Carry Me Home, that I was reading. One more reason to

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2005-03-18 Thread ShieldsFamily
Novels are not the best thing upon which to base our theology. Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 10:15 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: [TruthTalk] Fw: A little unexpected theology

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2005-03-18 Thread Judy Taylor
What kind of theology is this Lance? All it does is "make God into our image" We are the fallen ones and lying, cheating, cussing, etc. is the nature of the devil. Jesus died so that we could be free from this - I have not had the desire to lie, cheat, cuss, or steal since I came to Him

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2005-03-18 Thread David Miller
Lance wrote: But even with all his messing, cussing and cheating the government, I know one thing. My Dad would never lock me and my brother out of our house forever and ever cause we did something bad. This exactly makes my point that it is the wicked who do not comprehend and minister

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2005-03-18 Thread Lance Muir
He may be a 'uni' but, without the 'versalist' - Original Message - From: Barb Annunziello [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: March 18, 2005 15:25 Subject: RE: Fw: [TruthTalk] Fw: A little unexpected theology Should I ask who David Miller is?? And what's his slant? I

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Jasc Paint Shop Photo Album 5 images]

2005-03-18 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/13/2005 3:56:16 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - Original Message - From: "Jonathan Hughes" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: March 12, 2005 11:46 Subject: [Fwd: Jasc Paint Shop Photo Album 5 images]

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2005-03-18 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/13/2005 8:35:57 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does that mean John, Bill Jonathan will be coming back with a vengeance? We are back -- but it will take a little time to put things in order. I will say that it was one of the most significant journeys of

Fw: [TruthTalk] Fw: Jasc Paint Shop Photo Album 5 images]

2005-03-16 Thread Lance Muir
- Original Message - From: Debbie Sawczak To: Lance Muir Sent: March 15, 2005 15:02 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Jasc Paint Shop Photo Album 5 images] Since it's March Break, the kids are home. I walked in to hear Caspian playing his guitar, recording his own music upstairs

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2005-03-16 Thread Kevin Deegan
that was washed to her wallowing in the mire. Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Debbie Sawczak To: Lance Muir Sent: March 15, 2005 15:02 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Jasc Paint Shop Photo Album 5 images] Since it's March Break, the kids are home. I walked in to hear

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2005-03-16 Thread Caroline Wong
- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 7:12 AM Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Fw: Jasc Paint Shop Photo Album 5 images] I don't believe there are ever times when God doesn't love

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2005-03-16 Thread Caroline Wong
: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 7:12 AM Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Fw: Jasc Paint Shop Photo Album 5 images] I don't believe there are ever times when God doesn't love Pr 1:7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning

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2005-03-16 Thread Terry Clifton
Lance Muir wrote: - Original Message - From: Debbie Sawczak To: Lance Muir Sent: March 15, 2005 15:02 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Jasc Paint Shop Photo Album 5 images] Since it's March Break, the kids are home. I walked in to hear Caspian playing

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2005-03-16 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH: Likewise...welcome to TT Caroline! It is nice to hear a fresh voice around here.hope you have the courage (and will) to stay. :-) Caroline Wong wrote: Caroline - -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~

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2005-03-16 Thread Caroline Wong
Thanks Dave; Tis neither courage nor will. It's time that is the enemy! Love, Caroline - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 9:08 AM Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Fw: Jasc Paint Shop Photo

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2005-03-15 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH: If I were to fill in the blank G.I'd say God thinks like a parent. In my opinion, God is quintessentially the ultimate parent. For him to do something contrary to what a parent would dodefies my perception of the Lord's love and mercy. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What

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2005-03-15 Thread Bill Taylor
You have got that s RIGHT! Now live in that assurance as you resolve every other tension. Bill - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 8:12 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Jasc

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2005-03-15 Thread Lance Muir
Remarkable! This is just wwhat was on my mind to say. You said it better than I could have though. - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 15, 2005 10:12 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Jasc Paint Shop Photo Album 5

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2005-03-15 Thread Terry Clifton
every other tension. Bill - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 8:12 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Jasc Paint Shop Photo Album 5 images] DAVEH: If I were to fill in the blank

[TruthTalk] Fw: Nightline Tonight Tue., March 15, 2005

2005-03-15 Thread David Miller
NightlineMichael Shiavo, husband of Terri Shiavo who is court ordered to be starved to death starting this Friday, will be interviewed on ABC Nightline tonight. I wonder if he will be asked about his response to the offer of $1 million dollars to let the parents of Terri continue to feed her.

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2005-03-15 Thread Charles Perry Locke
is unbiblical and illogical. Perry From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Jasc Paint Shop Photo Album 5 images] Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 07:12:01 -0800 DAVEH: If I were to fill in the blank G.I'd say

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