Hi Phil,
The predecessors to the "relational models" have been around since the
60's as well (earlier in some cases). My main point is that u2 databases
are very much as "modern" as any other technology. DEC RDB was around
(certainly in the late 70's), the older hierarchical DBM's such as IMS
etc.
PICK is LEGACY Technology and does NOT Support alot of advanced
level computing we have today. I belive PICK is Similiar to Legacy DB2
that used ISAM type of DataBases Access. Even IBM has moved DB2 (Now UDB)
to a completly relational architecture.
I belive some of the below are good reasons to M
Well the list is certainly going to go out with a bang then :)
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PICK is LEGACY Technology and does NOT Support alot of advanced
level computing we have today. I belive PICK is Similiar to
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Joe
One bigot to another. Horses for courses - of course!
You'll never
Joe Eugene
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PICK is LEGACY Technology and does NOT Support alot of advanced
level computing we have today. I belive PICK is Similiar to Legacy DB2
that used ISAM typ
I can't say if MV is slow or inefficient as far as database handling
compared to various relational DBMS environments. Since the tests
themselves (TPC, etc) are biased because they themselves are defined based
on relational constructs, I suspect we'll never get real numbers that we can
all agree o
While one could make the argument that Pick has not embraced emerging
technologies as rapidly as the 'Big Three', it HAS done so.
U2, for example, has support for Java connectivity, XML, and I believe they
either have or are working on Web Services support (I know, for example, that
the DSEngine in
do appreciate MS.NET C# cause of
some of its advanced techniques and performance stuff.
Joe Eugene
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> Behalf Of Tony Gravagno
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> To: 'U2 Users Discussion List&#x
Joe
1) Check again... one of IBM's partners is Epicore
http://www.epicor.com/www/ which is using a Unidata database and XML
technology in several of their products.
3) Our company has two divisions one on Oracle and one on Unidata. The
Unidata side has two programmers compared to the 8 on the O
ene
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> Behalf Of Tony Gravagno
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> I
AD etc.
I personally like Java...but I still do appreciate MS.NET C# cause of
some of its advanced techniques and performance stuff.
Joe Eugene
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> While one could make the argument that Pick has not embraced emerging
> technologies as rapidly as the &
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> So, what's your point? Use C# against the UV database if that's what
you
> want to do (I and others
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> At the risk of being rude (which I don't really mind all that much)
nd
UV/PICK
would have been in the TOP 3 OF DataBases.
Joe Eugene
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ring)...
Half the complexity and Performance is Lost there...
Joe
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Joe,
I shouldn't even dignify this crap with a reply, but anyway ...
"1. Populate UV and Oracle with around 10 Million records.
2. Write fairly complex Web Application against it.
3. Run a Web Application Stress tool(around 1000 Users)
switching Databases within the same DB Machine."
We've
Hi,
Having been part of this list for only a short period I have found the
discussions very useful and the answers to questions posed have always
worked, even though we use Universe as our database, most of the solutions
are universal across the MV community.
I for one will be sorry to see the me
SIMPLE:
IF UV did Perform Well...Today's Fortune 500 would depend on UV and
UV/PICK
would have been in the TOP 3 OF DataBases.
Joe Eugene
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sers Discussion List
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So, UV does everything on the BackEnd, but SQL Server does your data
warehousing.
And you question why UV can't support the DW? Why not ask the alternate
question
of why the SQL Server can't handle the backend?
RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing
While one could make the argument that Pick has not embraced emerging
technologies as rapidly as the 'Big Three', it HAS done so.
U2, for example, has support for Java connectivity, XML, and I believe they
either have or are working on
; Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 11:53 AM
> To: 'U2 Users Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing
>
> Joe,
>
> I shouldn't even dignify this crap with a reply, but anyway ...
>
>
> "1. Populate UV and Oracle wit
"Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn"
- Clark Gable as "Rhett Butler in Gone with the Wind"
At 12:01 PM 3/29/2004 -0500, you wrote:
"With all due respects, Sir, you are beginning to bore the hell out of me!"
-- Clint Eastwood as "Gunnery Sgt. Thomas Highway in Heartbreak Ridge"
===
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Sent: March 29, 2004 3:02 PM
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You want Pick on the web... simple, use Visage!
Patrick "Will" Williams, Presid
ument.
Thanks,
Joe Eugene
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> Behalf Of David T. Meeks
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>
I doubt you'd find much disagreement on that point Joe...
Unfortunately, I think you are missing the real point...
Ultimately, what's "best" for a company need varies from company
to company, and from situation to situation.
For many people, being on 'top of technology' is not a benefit. In
fact,
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writes:
> 1. Populate UV and Oracle with around 10 Million records.
> 2. Write fairly complex Web Application against it.
> 3. Run a Web Application Stress tool(around 1000 Users)
> switching Databases within the
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writes:
> e.g. We pull XML Reports from our Vendors Real Time. I have to parse
> through the XML and give UV/PICK Guys a FLAT TEXT File... cause either
> UV Cannot handle the storage and Retrival of XML Data Using
I think Joe may realize a couple things:
1) He doesn't know enough about the system to criticize it.
2) The IT people in his UV shop didn't know much either.
Many Pick guys get into Pick because they know their business market but not
much about technology, and Pick makes it easy to write software
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>
> I doubt you'd find much disagreement on that point Joe...
> Unfortunately,
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From: Michael Spencer
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 9:12 AM
Subject: RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing
Last I looked at Visage, it:
1) required javascript
"What we have here is a failure to communicate."
- "Cool Hand Luke"
"Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn"
- Clark Gable as "Rhett Butler in Gone with the Wind"
At 12:01 PM 3/29/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>"With all due respects, Sir, you are beginning to bore the hell out of me!"
>
>
Hi Joe
I have worked with variety of databases and I think using one
performance statistic to evaluate the capabilities of one database
against another is meaningless. As a professional I consider all
databases for any business requirement and select on their merits. To
discount MV products from
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On Behalf Of Will
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You want Pick on the web... simple, use Visage!
Patrick "Will" Williams,
Joe,
Here's a few things to consider. MV environments (including
UniVerse), allow for small teams to develop and adjust business rules
more quickly than you can you can in Oracle, Sybase, or Informix.
Published statistics show that MV environments are roughly twice as
efficient in disk usage
Ross Ferris
Stamina Software
Visage - an Evolution in Software Development
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> Behalf Of djordan
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> To: 'U2 Users Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing
>
> Hi Joe
>
> I have worked with variety of databases and I think
believe UV Performs Well.
Thanks,
Joe Eugene
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> Behalf Of Results
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 8:06 PM
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> Subject: Re: Modern Universe - was: The lists ar
30 March 2004 11:17 AM
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing
Charles,
Our Customer Information is stored in UV and accessed via PICK.
This FILE (as UV ppl call it) contains around 500,000 Records in it.
Everything is INDEXED Per UV Standards.
Here is sim
Joe,
The big corporate moves have more to do with marketing and sales
than they do technical issues. Most of them have horrible ROI. I've been
in companies of $500 Million and up which do not have any handle on
their IT costs for non-MV work. Most companies work on a "% of gross"
theory whic
Joe,
Have you checked the file sizes? Have you checked the index
parameters? I'll make you a bet. You bring me in for a week (i'll
probably need most of that week to prove my results, the fixes will take
less than a day) and I bet you we can make a meaningful improvement in
your response tim
Of Logan, David (SST - Adelaide)
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 8:55 PM
> To: U2 Users Discussion List
> Subject: RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing
>
> Hi Joe,
>
> Perhaps you could share your actual searches, code and database
> structure? Were you searchi
ED]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 11:47 AM
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> Charles,
>
> Our Customer Information is stored in UV and accessed via PICK.
> This FILE (as UV ppl call it) contains around 500,000 Records in it.
> Everything is INDEXED P
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On
> Behalf Of djordan
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 7:43 PM
> To: 'U2 Users Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing
>
> Hi Joe
>
> I have worked with variety of data
Joe,
FYI, PICK is NOT a flavour of BASIC. Pick is a MVDB currently owned by
Raining Data. You do need to some more research - proper research of the
topic. You can refer to UV running with a PICK flavour but nothing else.
BASIC is the programming language used by most of the MVDB systems. PICK
BAS
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> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 8:55 PM
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> Subject: RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing
>
> Hi Joe,
>
> Perhaps you could share your actual searches, code and database
> st
all.
Cheers
Trevor Ockenden
OSP
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From: "Joe Eugene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "U2 Users Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 12:06 PM
Subject: RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing
> This is
To: 'U2 Users Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing
>
> Dude, your like the dog that just won't stop humping the guests leg.
Get
> over it already.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL P
'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 12:15 PM
Subject: RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing
>
> Is it just me or this getting really BORING! (and that's be REALLY nice
> about it)
>
> LOL.
>
>
> -Original Message-
>
quot;STATS" please.
>
> We may be able to help you after all.
>
> Cheers
>
> Trevor Ockenden
> OSP
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Joe Eugene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "U2 Users Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Behalf Of Trevor Ockenden
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 9:10 PM
> To: U2 Users Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing
>
> Joe
>
> Have I missed something here. You refer to the QUAD as having MSSQL
SERVER
> 2K as the database so wher
You are correct. It was your "Trivial things and stupid comments" that I was
answering.
Regards,
T.
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Joe Eugene wrote:
>I have heard stories where several corporations migrated to RDBMS,
>Never heard any LARGE Corp(Hershey, GE, BOfA etc) switch to UV/MVDBMS.
Of the many companies who have migrated from MV to an RDBMS you always hear
the fanfare of their initial decision but rarely of the years of
Joe
Thanks for the direct reply.
I have had some experience with 'mainstream' databases and due mainly to my
lack of knowledge and experience I found them to be cumbersome, inefficient
and expensive for the type of applications I was dealing with.
Having said that, I have seen some fantastic app
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On
> Behalf Of Tony Wood
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 9:21 PM
> To: U2 Users Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing
>
> Joe,
>
> FYI, PICK is NOT a flavour of BASIC. Pick is a MVDB currentl
Joe
One final point. You find it hard to believe people on this LIST get so
defensive.
May I suggest that if we were to dive into a DB2 or SQLServer LIST (if they
exist) and put them down I dare say we would get some pretty abusive remarks
thrown at us too.
Only to be expected
Trevor Ockenden
O
Joe why are you on this list?
What is the point of hanging around haranging (sp?) us if you are not interested in
learning anything as you put it?
Why not just leave.
Will
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> Our UV Developers here have over
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Joe why are you on this list?
What is the point of hanging around haranging (sp?) us if you are not
interested in learning anything as you put it?
Why not
,
Joe Eugene
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>
>
>Joe
>
>One final p
Dont you still get it...? Think a little bit HARDER!...
Joe Eugene
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aide)
>Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 11:43 PM
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>Subject: RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing
>
>
>Hi Will,
>
>troll( P ) Pronunciation Key (trl)
>v. trolled, troll*ing, trolls
>v. tr.
>
> 1.
> 1. To fish
stream'
products. Poof is in the eating I'm afraid.
Cheers
Trevor Ockenden
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From: "Joe Eugene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "U2 Users Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 3:06 PM
Subject: RE: Mo
n" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 12:35 AM
Subject: Re: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing
> Joe
>
> You must have more time on your hands than I but I will try to reply to
you
> before
Mark,
All I can add is that when I went to London and to Sydney, I wasn't
a stranger - I was "I know you from the U2 list, right?" and I had
friends in both countries. I'm doing business in South Africa, partially
because of this list. The funny thing is, for every person I've helped,
I'm su
the EMAILS... DON'T YOU KNOW HOW TO DELETE...?
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On
> Behalf Of Don Kibbey
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 9:13 PM
> To: 'U2 Users Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: Modern Universe - was: The list
As stated earlier, kindly leave the guests alone. They are tired of your flaming.
If your not interested in learning some "legacy techniques" then kindly just go away
and code up some wonderful stuff in vb against a nice fat Oracle data store.
Bye!!!
Don Kibbey
Financial Systems Manager
Finne
Universe - was: The lists are closing
Our UV Developers here have over 25 years of Experience doing the stuff
the do... I personally am not interested in learning the details of UV
since nobody really uses this kinda stuff at Corporate Level.
I am simply surprised why UV is still used by a
tions, very
little
processing power (R83 on a single 286), costs? What costs?
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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Joe Eugene
> Sent: 29 March 2004 06:27
> To: U2 Users Discussion List
> Subject: RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing
>
>
>
> We have UV doing everything on the BackEnd, we also have
> M
happy" Hewkin
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From: Joe Eugene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 30 March 2004 16:34
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing
Damn it... Don't you anything something better to do!
Moderator Stopped this Thread!
people
working on
> big boy systems.
>
> But then again
>
> Les "over paid, under worked and happy" Hewkin
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Joe Eugene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 30 March 2004 16:34
> To: U2 Users Discussion List
> Subject: RE: Mo
> We're pickies, we don't need to understand XML, or whatever, so long
> as we can do what's required of us. Yeah, we could learn XML, if
> required.
Joe suggests we can't learn XML, lets see fellow pickies, XML is
hierarchical what do we know that could possibly help us understand that :).
In a message dated 3/30/2004 12:06:20 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
> Our UV Developers tell me, everything in UV is treated as Strings..
> Do you think MATH Functions will Perform better in UV than a DataBase that
> supports DataTypes?
Joe this is not true
Did it ever occu
In a message dated 3/30/2004 12:35:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
> You are partly correct when you say UV treats all data as strings. However,
> if the UV programmer is careful he/she can get it to do maths processing.
> Variables within UVBasic are string unless the resu
I am probably in the best position to compare apples with apples.
I have both UniVerse and Oracle on the same IBM p660 4 processor box with
6Gb RAM. The 800,000 customers are replicated from UniVerse to Oracle,
although the Oracle version is only a subset of the attributes required by a
differen
>>Results:-
>>UniVerse 9 seconds
>>Oracle 25 seconds
Now this is what makes this list GREAT! Even more important than who the
results favored, it is real information that helps us all make better
decisions. Thanks for the FACTS Sara.
Regards,
Jim
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Cheers
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> In a message dated 3/30
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In a message dated 3/30/2004 12:35:32 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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You are partly correct when you say UV treats all data
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writes:
> Trevor,
>I *think* the issue is that the mv runtime does typecast variables
> on the fly, transparently. Which means that assigning a number or the
> result of a numeric expression (AVAR = 1 * 3) resu
It's already April 1st here, so I'll bid the list and its participants farewell. It's
been fun and, I hope, at least a bit helpful for some. And a final big thank you to
Clif.
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It's already April 1st here, so I'll bid the list and its participants
farewell. It's been fun and, I hope, at least a bit helpful for some. And
a final big thank you to Clif.
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This is a test, right? Y'all got together off-list and cooked this up to
see if I was going to follow through or just roll over and let things
free-wheel for the duration.
Seriously, this kind of name calling, mud slingly, and vitriol is
disturbing in its lack of professionalism. Add to tha
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>Importance: High
>
>
>
>
>This is a test,
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Importance: High
This is a test, right? Y'al
In a message dated 3/30/2004 12:22:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
> Clif,
>
> Sorry... I kept this discussion to the best of my Professionalism,
> until a few folks here Provoked with some serious name calling.
>
> Its appears bad enough...
> some folks here cannot disc
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> In a message dated 3/30/2
Then perhaps you should take your own advice and "HIT DELETE"
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From: Joe Eugene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[unsightly rubbish snipped]
IF you feel my comments are without SUBSTANCE...
WHY NOT ARGUE BACK with some Valid Proof...
Instead of start Calling People Names...
mer, but that's another
topic ...)
Cheers,
Wol
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Jeff Schasny
Sent: 30 March 2004 23:37
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: RE: [ADMIN] Re: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing
Then perhaps you
Please Speak LOUDER!!!
*throws you a raw steak*
Will "raw steak" Johnson
In a message dated 3/29/2004 12:26:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
> Going MainStream and staying with BIG THREE is Better for the
> future of the Company's Needs. BIG THREE has A LOT OF
> INVESTMENT
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