Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Questionable Canonical Merchandise

2007-08-20 Thread Joey Stanford
Hi there, Thanks for the heads-up on this. I've passed this to relevant Canonical team for consideration. I wasn't involved with the merchandise design, only the store software, so I can't offer anything further on this topic. Joey On 8/20/07, Matthew East <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > >

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Questionable Canonical Merchandise

2007-08-20 Thread Alan Pope
Hi Chris, On Mon, 2007-08-20 at 20:03 +0100, Chris Rowson wrote: > And just to add another "I asked my missus what she thought" comment. I just did the same :) Alan: "Can I ask you something?" Clare: "What?" Alan: "You know you can get T-shirts with Ubuntu slogans on, 'linux for human beings' yo

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] How do we market Ubuntu?

2007-08-20 Thread alan c
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Just like every other product out there, look at every successful > campaign and do that. Market to Ladies, Gentlemen, and children. There may be significant culture implications I think. In UK at least there are very many overtones with the words 'Ladies' or with 'Gentl

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] the Ladies t-Shirts

2007-08-20 Thread alan c
Gerry Carr wrote: > Hi all > > There has been some excitement about the Ladies T-Shirts I see. Well > suffice to say the people at Canonical who made the decision were me Kat > and Claire. And we did it to make the t-shirts more attractive to women > not less. But it appears that not everyone s

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Questionable Canonical Merchandise

2007-08-20 Thread alan c
Sarah Hobbs wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hey all, > > No idea who's behind this marketing decision, but... > > http://perkypants.org/blog/2007/08/20/linux-for-ladies/ > > As discussed in #debian-women earlier...does that mean that ladies are > no longer human bei

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Questionable Canonical Merchandise

2007-08-20 Thread Chris Rowson
And just to add another "I asked my missus what she thought" comment. I showed her the picture and asked straight out, 'What do you think of this T-Shirt?' Other than the T-Shirt was horrible, and that she wouldn't wear it 'cause it's boring (not an Ubuntu advocate then!), she said she wear it if

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] the Ladies t-Shirts

2007-08-20 Thread Elizabeth Bevilacqua
On 8/20/07, Gerry Carr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There has been some excitement about the Ladies T-Shirts I see. Well > suffice to say the people at Canonical who made the decision were me Kat > and Claire. And we did it to make the t-shirts more attractive to women > not less. But it appears th

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] the Ladies t-Shirts

2007-08-20 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 2007-08-20 at 19:42 +0100, Gerry Carr wrote: > Hi all > > There has been some excitement about the Ladies T-Shirts I see. Well > suffice to say the people at Canonical who made the decision were me Kat > and Claire. And we did it to make the t-shirts more attractive to women > not less

[ubuntu-marketing] the Ladies t-Shirts

2007-08-20 Thread Gerry Carr
Hi all There has been some excitement about the Ladies T-Shirts I see. Well suffice to say the people at Canonical who made the decision were me Kat and Claire. And we did it to make the t-shirts more attractive to women not less. But it appears that not everyone shares our opinion on the succ

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu Viral Videos

2007-08-20 Thread Dalton Miyabara
If the meeting is not on the weekend I would participate (nowadays I´m without internet in my home, just in the work). ;) Cheers, Dalton > > Having said that, it's clear that this discussion shouldn't get in the > > way of the project developing; i.e. people should actually be thinking > > abou

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Bug #1 What we're up against

2007-08-20 Thread Dalton Miyabara
Hi everyone. I think we need to create something that attracts Ubuntu for the casual (common, not geek ;) ) user. For example: why so many people still using pirated Windows than Ubuntu... because the casual user, doesn´t know where to find his/her programs in a GUI different than GUI Windows (e

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Questionable Canonical Merchandise

2007-08-20 Thread DThomas
See slackware would have it made a T-shirt that says Linux for slackers David Thomas IT Specialist Manager Bernalillo County Metropolitan Courts 401 Lomas NW Albuquerque, NM 87103 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 505-841-9807-- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Questionable Canonical Merchandise

2007-08-20 Thread Chris Rowson
Personally, I'll have a 'Linux for Men' T-Shirt please. It'd make me feel well, Manly - Chris -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Questionable Canonical Merchandise

2007-08-20 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 2007-08-20 at 12:07 -0400, Jeremy Anderson wrote: > On Tue, 2007-08-21 at 00:17 +1000, Sarah Hobbs wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > < Sending the mail to the list this time, as Chris has gone and > > published part of what was a private mail, so as not

[ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu Viral Video Creative Brief

2007-08-20 Thread Chris Rowson
Sorry to open lots of threads, but it seems easier to keep different discussions about the Ubuntu Viral Video project separate so that you can dip in and out of the sections that interest you. As suggested by Matthew in the other thread, I've been thinking about the creative brief for this project

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu Video Techies Wanted !

2007-08-20 Thread Chris Rowson
> Hi Chris, > > On Mon, Aug 20, 2007 at 05:25:50PM +0100, Chris Rowson wrote: > > I'm trying to draft some documents for the Ubuntu Viral Video project, > > and as Matthew suggested in another thread, I'm trying to put together > > guidance on how to use Ubuntu to create video. > > > > Uh-Oh. > > V

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu Video Techies Wanted !

2007-08-20 Thread Alan Pope
Hi Chris, On Mon, Aug 20, 2007 at 05:25:50PM +0100, Chris Rowson wrote: > I'm trying to draft some documents for the Ubuntu Viral Video project, > and as Matthew suggested in another thread, I'm trying to put together > guidance on how to use Ubuntu to create video. > Uh-Oh. Video under linux i

[ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu Video Techies Wanted !

2007-08-20 Thread Chris Rowson
Hi, I'm trying to draft some documents for the Ubuntu Viral Video project, and as Matthew suggested in another thread, I'm trying to put together guidance on how to use Ubuntu to create video. Unfortunately I don't have a clue! If you would like to help create some information which will help pe

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Questionable Canonical Merchandise

2007-08-20 Thread Jeremy Anderson
On Tue, 2007-08-21 at 00:17 +1000, Sarah Hobbs wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > < Sending the mail to the list this time, as Chris has gone and > published part of what was a private mail, so as not to raise a flame > war. Needless to say, that wish is now pointless.

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Questionable Canonical Merchandise

2007-08-20 Thread Chris Rowson
>. Whatever > your stance, whatever your belief, surely you believe that it's someones > right to express that they _disagree_ with that premice? > > Cheers, > Al. > Hey Al, I think it's perhaps more due to the fact that Sarah originally wrote > This is important, as it seems to be (unintent

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Questionable Canonical Merchandise

2007-08-20 Thread Alan Pope
Hi Aaron, On Mon, Aug 20, 2007 at 07:56:58AM -0600, Aaron Toponce wrote: > Chris' argument implies that the term "for the ladies" is a fairly > popular term because it shows up on Google. Not whether or not it's "ok". > Pretty sure that was my point :) > Whether or not the term is morally acce

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu Viral Videos

2007-08-20 Thread Chris Rowson
> Having said that, it's clear that this discussion shouldn't get in the > way of the project developing; i.e. people should actually be thinking > about making videos. Had you envisaged writing some guidelines for how > to go about making videos; i.e. what sort of ideas are acceptable, > what tech

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu Viral Videos

2007-08-20 Thread Alan Pope
Hi Matt, On Mon, Aug 20, 2007 at 04:04:44PM +0100, Matthew East wrote: > Not sure what you mean by this bit, but given that ubuntuvideo.com is > a well known Ubuntu video site in the Ubuntu namespace and that this > project is about Ubuntu videos, I'd like to hear more from John (added > to cc) ab

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu Viral Videos

2007-08-20 Thread Matthew East
On 20/08/07, Chris Rowson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm a little confused at what pull the marketing team has over John's > site, as he pays for the hosting and owns the domain name. I think > that perhaps we should be a little bit diplomatic with asking for more > ;-) I understand that, and ha

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu Viral Videos

2007-08-20 Thread Chris Rowson
> Not sure what you mean by this bit, but given that ubuntuvideo.com is > a well known Ubuntu video site in the Ubuntu namespace and that this > project is about Ubuntu videos, I'd like to hear more from John (added > to cc) about why it's not possible to add comments/voting facilities > to this si

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu Viral Videos

2007-08-20 Thread Matthew East
On 20/08/07, Chris Rowson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I got a message from John of the ubuntuvideo.com site. > > > > John says he'd be able to embed video clips into the ubuntuvideo.com > > site if we get them hosted elsewhere. John wouldn't be able to offer > > comments or ratings however. > >

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Image generator to track bugs in forums or blogs

2007-08-20 Thread Martin Albisetti
On 8/20/07, Chris Rowson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This seems to be running really slow/down at the moment. > Should be working fine now, thanks. Martin -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/li

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu Viral Videos

2007-08-20 Thread Chris Rowson
> I got a message from John of the ubuntuvideo.com site. > > John says he'd be able to embed video clips into the ubuntuvideo.com > site if we get them hosted elsewhere. John wouldn't be able to offer > comments or ratings however. > > At the moment it's looking more and more sensible to go with >

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Questionable Canonical Merchandise

2007-08-20 Thread Chris Rowson
> I genuinely didn't realise you'd sent that off list - If you ever want > an email to remain private please,please mark it OFF LIST or PRIVATE > at the top of the text. If I'd had realised you wanted to talk > privately I'd have never have sent that to the list. > > Cheers > > Chris Sorry, just t

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Questionable Canonical Merchandise

2007-08-20 Thread Chris Rowson
> < Sending the mail to the list this time, as Chris has gone and > published part of what was a private mail, so as not to raise a flame > war. Needless to say, that wish is now pointless. > I genuinely didn't realise you'd sent that off list - If you ever want an email to remain private please

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Questionable Canonical Merchandise

2007-08-20 Thread Melissa Draper
Aaron Toponce wrote: > Chris' argument implies that the term "for the ladies" is a fairly > popular term because it shows up on Google. Not whether or not it's "ok". > > Whether or not the term is morally acceptable is the argument at hand. > Pornography is extremely popular, yet most would argue

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Questionable Canonical Merchandise

2007-08-20 Thread Melissa Draper
Chris Rowson wrote: >> When I don't get harassed repeatedly due to Ubuntu, and can use my real >> name on irc, and in launchpad, etc, and be known for who I am, and not >> for being female, then i'll agree with you. As it is, I tend to only >> raise the stuff that I think is worth raising, precise

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Questionable Canonical Merchandise

2007-08-20 Thread Sarah Hobbs
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 < Sending the mail to the list this time, as Chris has gone and published part of what was a private mail, so as not to raise a flame war. Needless to say, that wish is now pointless. > Chris Rowson wrote: > Stuff like this drives me round the twist

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Sorry if this is a repeat post but

2007-08-20 Thread Alan Pope
Hi, On Mon, Aug 20, 2007 at 07:43:16AM -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I showed my wife that shirt and she liked it and is planning on ordering > one, she wears a I "heart" nerds shirt all the time, should I be offended > that it calls me a nerd, at least I hope she is wearing it for me, oh no

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Questionable Canonical Merchandise

2007-08-20 Thread Aaron Toponce
Chris' argument implies that the term "for the ladies" is a fairly popular term because it shows up on Google. Not whether or not it's "ok". Whether or not the term is morally acceptable is the argument at hand. Pornography is extremely popular, yet most would argue that it is not morally accepta

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Questionable Canonical Merchandise

2007-08-20 Thread Chris Rowson
> When I don't get harassed repeatedly due to Ubuntu, and can use my real > name on irc, and in launchpad, etc, and be known for who I am, and not > for being female, then i'll agree with you. As it is, I tend to only > raise the stuff that I think is worth raising, precisely because of > reaction

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Questionable Canonical Merchandise

2007-08-20 Thread Alan Pope
Hi Sarah, On Mon, Aug 20, 2007 at 10:20:29PM +1000, Sarah Hobbs wrote: > No idea who's behind this marketing decision, but... > > This is important, as it seems to be (unintentionally, i'm sure) > offending half of the world's population, and so therefore half of the > possible candidates who may

[ubuntu-marketing] Sorry if this is a repeat post but

2007-08-20 Thread DThomas
I showed my wife that shirt and she liked it and is planning on ordering one, she wears a I "heart" nerds shirt all the time, should I be offended that it calls me a nerd, at least I hope she is wearing it for me, oh no what if I'm not a nerd, oh this might get ugly.kind of like this on goi

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Questionable Canonical Merchandise

2007-08-20 Thread Alan Pope
Hi Aaron, On Mon, Aug 20, 2007 at 07:33:42AM -0600, Aaron Toponce wrote: > Melissa Draper wrote: > >> Do a google search for the phrase "for the ladies" - Observe 1,950,000 > >> results. Are all of these offensive? > > > > Do a google search for "porn" and tell me how many results you get. Not

[ubuntu-marketing] How do we market Ubuntu?

2007-08-20 Thread DThomas
Just like every other product out there, look at every successful campaign and do that. Market to Ladies, Gentlemen, and children.-- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Questionable Canonical Merchandise

2007-08-20 Thread Aaron Toponce
Melissa Draper wrote: >> Do a google search for the phrase "for the ladies" - Observe 1,950,000 >> results. Are all of these offensive? > > Do a google search for "porn" and tell me how many results you get. Not > all the results are actually porn, so does this make porn ok as well? > I unders

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Questionable Canonical Merchandise

2007-08-20 Thread Melissa Draper
Chris Rowson wrote: >>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >>> Hash: SHA1 >>> >>> Hey all, >>> >>> No idea who's behind this marketing decision, but... >>> >>> http://perkypants.org/blog/2007/08/20/linux-for-ladies/ >>> >>> As discussed in #debian-women earlier...does that mean that ladies are >>>

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Questionable Canonical Merchandise

2007-08-20 Thread Matthew East
Hi, Adding Joey to cc (Joey, see below: please pass on if appropriate). I tend to agree. Having a new, different slogan on the back of the ladies t-shirt seems to be singling out a particular type of user. And given that the idea behind the original slogan was that Ubuntu makes linux easier for

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Questionable Canonical Merchandise

2007-08-20 Thread Chris Rowson
> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Hey all, > > > > No idea who's behind this marketing decision, but... > > > > http://perkypants.org/blog/2007/08/20/linux-for-ladies/ > > > > As discussed in #debian-women earlier...does that mean that ladies are > > no longer human bein

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Questionable Canonical Merchandise

2007-08-20 Thread Aaron Toponce
Hmmm... While I am by no means a supporter of gender separation or sexism, I see no harm in that t-shirt. It's obvious to me that the t-shirt is trying to sell Linux, and computing in general, to women. Not call women "some weird subset with these odd sticky out bits". Of course, people are enti

[ubuntu-marketing] Questionable Canonical Merchandise

2007-08-20 Thread Sarah Hobbs
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hey all, No idea who's behind this marketing decision, but... http://perkypants.org/blog/2007/08/20/linux-for-ladies/ As discussed in #debian-women earlier...does that mean that ladies are no longer human beings now? [19:15] i'll defer to the "lad

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Image generator to track bugs in forums or blogs

2007-08-20 Thread Chris Rowson
> Hello all, > > I've been wanting to see the Ubuntuforums and Launchpad a bit more > integrated for some [1] time [2] now [3], and since I haven't been > successful at it, I went a different direction. > > I would also like to ask everyone reading this, please don't make it > too public yet (don't