Hi there,
Thanks for the heads-up on this. I've passed this to relevant
Canonical team for consideration. I wasn't involved with the
merchandise design, only the store software, so I can't offer anything
further on this topic.
Joey
On 8/20/07, Matthew East <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
Hi Chris,
On Mon, 2007-08-20 at 20:03 +0100, Chris Rowson wrote:
> And just to add another "I asked my missus what she thought" comment.
I just did the same :)
Alan: "Can I ask you something?"
Clare: "What?"
Alan: "You know you can get T-shirts with Ubuntu slogans on, 'linux for
human beings' yo
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Just like every other product out there, look at every successful
> campaign and do that. Market to Ladies, Gentlemen, and children.
There may be significant culture implications I think.
In UK at least there are very many overtones with the words 'Ladies'
or with 'Gentl
Gerry Carr wrote:
> Hi all
>
> There has been some excitement about the Ladies T-Shirts I see. Well
> suffice to say the people at Canonical who made the decision were me Kat
> and Claire. And we did it to make the t-shirts more attractive to women
> not less. But it appears that not everyone s
Sarah Hobbs wrote:
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> Hey all,
>
> No idea who's behind this marketing decision, but...
>
> http://perkypants.org/blog/2007/08/20/linux-for-ladies/
>
> As discussed in #debian-women earlier...does that mean that ladies are
> no longer human bei
And just to add another "I asked my missus what she thought" comment.
I showed her the picture and asked straight out, 'What do you think of
this T-Shirt?'
Other than the T-Shirt was horrible, and that she wouldn't wear it
'cause it's boring (not an Ubuntu advocate then!), she said she wear
it if
On 8/20/07, Gerry Carr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There has been some excitement about the Ladies T-Shirts I see. Well
> suffice to say the people at Canonical who made the decision were me Kat
> and Claire. And we did it to make the t-shirts more attractive to women
> not less. But it appears th
On Mon, 2007-08-20 at 19:42 +0100, Gerry Carr wrote:
> Hi all
>
> There has been some excitement about the Ladies T-Shirts I see. Well
> suffice to say the people at Canonical who made the decision were me Kat
> and Claire. And we did it to make the t-shirts more attractive to women
> not less
Hi all
There has been some excitement about the Ladies T-Shirts I see. Well
suffice to say the people at Canonical who made the decision were me Kat
and Claire. And we did it to make the t-shirts more attractive to women
not less. But it appears that not everyone shares our opinion on the
succ
If the meeting is not on the weekend I would participate (nowadays I´m without
internet in my home, just in the
work). ;)
Cheers,
Dalton
> > Having said that, it's clear that this discussion shouldn't get in the
> > way of the project developing; i.e. people should actually be thinking
> > abou
Hi everyone.
I think we need to create something that attracts Ubuntu for the casual
(common, not geek ;) ) user. For
example: why so many people still using pirated Windows than Ubuntu... because
the casual user, doesn´t know
where to find his/her programs in a GUI different than GUI Windows (e
See slackware would have it made a T-shirt that says Linux for slackers
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Personally, I'll have a 'Linux for Men' T-Shirt please.
It'd make me feel well, Manly -
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On Mon, 2007-08-20 at 12:07 -0400, Jeremy Anderson wrote:
> On Tue, 2007-08-21 at 00:17 +1000, Sarah Hobbs wrote:
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> > < Sending the mail to the list this time, as Chris has gone and
> > published part of what was a private mail, so as not
Sorry to open lots of threads, but it seems easier to keep different
discussions about the Ubuntu Viral Video project separate so that you
can dip in and out of the sections that interest you.
As suggested by Matthew in the other thread, I've been thinking about
the creative brief for this project
> Hi Chris,
>
> On Mon, Aug 20, 2007 at 05:25:50PM +0100, Chris Rowson wrote:
> > I'm trying to draft some documents for the Ubuntu Viral Video project,
> > and as Matthew suggested in another thread, I'm trying to put together
> > guidance on how to use Ubuntu to create video.
> >
>
> Uh-Oh.
>
> V
Hi Chris,
On Mon, Aug 20, 2007 at 05:25:50PM +0100, Chris Rowson wrote:
> I'm trying to draft some documents for the Ubuntu Viral Video project,
> and as Matthew suggested in another thread, I'm trying to put together
> guidance on how to use Ubuntu to create video.
>
Uh-Oh.
Video under linux i
Hi,
I'm trying to draft some documents for the Ubuntu Viral Video project,
and as Matthew suggested in another thread, I'm trying to put together
guidance on how to use Ubuntu to create video.
Unfortunately I don't have a clue!
If you would like to help create some information which will help
pe
On Tue, 2007-08-21 at 00:17 +1000, Sarah Hobbs wrote:
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> < Sending the mail to the list this time, as Chris has gone and
> published part of what was a private mail, so as not to raise a flame
> war. Needless to say, that wish is now pointless.
>. Whatever
> your stance, whatever your belief, surely you believe that it's someones
> right to express that they _disagree_ with that premice?
>
> Cheers,
> Al.
>
Hey Al,
I think it's perhaps more due to the fact that Sarah originally wrote
> This is important, as it seems to be (unintent
Hi Aaron,
On Mon, Aug 20, 2007 at 07:56:58AM -0600, Aaron Toponce wrote:
> Chris' argument implies that the term "for the ladies" is a fairly
> popular term because it shows up on Google. Not whether or not it's "ok".
>
Pretty sure that was my point :)
> Whether or not the term is morally acce
> Having said that, it's clear that this discussion shouldn't get in the
> way of the project developing; i.e. people should actually be thinking
> about making videos. Had you envisaged writing some guidelines for how
> to go about making videos; i.e. what sort of ideas are acceptable,
> what tech
Hi Matt,
On Mon, Aug 20, 2007 at 04:04:44PM +0100, Matthew East wrote:
> Not sure what you mean by this bit, but given that ubuntuvideo.com is
> a well known Ubuntu video site in the Ubuntu namespace and that this
> project is about Ubuntu videos, I'd like to hear more from John (added
> to cc) ab
On 20/08/07, Chris Rowson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm a little confused at what pull the marketing team has over John's
> site, as he pays for the hosting and owns the domain name. I think
> that perhaps we should be a little bit diplomatic with asking for more
> ;-)
I understand that, and ha
> Not sure what you mean by this bit, but given that ubuntuvideo.com is
> a well known Ubuntu video site in the Ubuntu namespace and that this
> project is about Ubuntu videos, I'd like to hear more from John (added
> to cc) about why it's not possible to add comments/voting facilities
> to this si
On 20/08/07, Chris Rowson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I got a message from John of the ubuntuvideo.com site.
> >
> > John says he'd be able to embed video clips into the ubuntuvideo.com
> > site if we get them hosted elsewhere. John wouldn't be able to offer
> > comments or ratings however.
> >
On 8/20/07, Chris Rowson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This seems to be running really slow/down at the moment.
>
Should be working fine now, thanks.
Martin
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> I got a message from John of the ubuntuvideo.com site.
>
> John says he'd be able to embed video clips into the ubuntuvideo.com
> site if we get them hosted elsewhere. John wouldn't be able to offer
> comments or ratings however.
>
> At the moment it's looking more and more sensible to go with
>
> I genuinely didn't realise you'd sent that off list - If you ever want
> an email to remain private please,please mark it OFF LIST or PRIVATE
> at the top of the text. If I'd had realised you wanted to talk
> privately I'd have never have sent that to the list.
>
> Cheers
>
> Chris
Sorry, just t
> < Sending the mail to the list this time, as Chris has gone and
> published part of what was a private mail, so as not to raise a flame
> war. Needless to say, that wish is now pointless. >
I genuinely didn't realise you'd sent that off list - If you ever want
an email to remain private please
Aaron Toponce wrote:
> Chris' argument implies that the term "for the ladies" is a fairly
> popular term because it shows up on Google. Not whether or not it's "ok".
>
> Whether or not the term is morally acceptable is the argument at hand.
> Pornography is extremely popular, yet most would argue
Chris Rowson wrote:
>> When I don't get harassed repeatedly due to Ubuntu, and can use my real
>> name on irc, and in launchpad, etc, and be known for who I am, and not
>> for being female, then i'll agree with you. As it is, I tend to only
>> raise the stuff that I think is worth raising, precise
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Chris Rowson wrote:
> Stuff like this drives me round the twist
Hi,
On Mon, Aug 20, 2007 at 07:43:16AM -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I showed my wife that shirt and she liked it and is planning on ordering
> one, she wears a I "heart" nerds shirt all the time, should I be offended
> that it calls me a nerd, at least I hope she is wearing it for me, oh no
Chris' argument implies that the term "for the ladies" is a fairly
popular term because it shows up on Google. Not whether or not it's "ok".
Whether or not the term is morally acceptable is the argument at hand.
Pornography is extremely popular, yet most would argue that it is not
morally accepta
> When I don't get harassed repeatedly due to Ubuntu, and can use my real
> name on irc, and in launchpad, etc, and be known for who I am, and not
> for being female, then i'll agree with you. As it is, I tend to only
> raise the stuff that I think is worth raising, precisely because of
> reaction
Hi Sarah,
On Mon, Aug 20, 2007 at 10:20:29PM +1000, Sarah Hobbs wrote:
> No idea who's behind this marketing decision, but...
>
> This is important, as it seems to be (unintentionally, i'm sure)
> offending half of the world's population, and so therefore half of the
> possible candidates who may
I showed my wife that shirt and she liked it and is planning on ordering
one, she wears a I "heart" nerds shirt all the time, should I be offended
that it calls me a nerd, at least I hope she is wearing it for me, oh no
what if I'm not a nerd, oh this might get ugly.kind of like this on
goi
Hi Aaron,
On Mon, Aug 20, 2007 at 07:33:42AM -0600, Aaron Toponce wrote:
> Melissa Draper wrote:
> >> Do a google search for the phrase "for the ladies" - Observe 1,950,000
> >> results. Are all of these offensive?
> >
> > Do a google search for "porn" and tell me how many results you get. Not
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Melissa Draper wrote:
>> Do a google search for the phrase "for the ladies" - Observe 1,950,000
>> results. Are all of these offensive?
>
> Do a google search for "porn" and tell me how many results you get. Not
> all the results are actually porn, so does this make porn ok as well?
>
I unders
Chris Rowson wrote:
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>>> Hey all,
>>>
>>> No idea who's behind this marketing decision, but...
>>>
>>> http://perkypants.org/blog/2007/08/20/linux-for-ladies/
>>>
>>> As discussed in #debian-women earlier...does that mean that ladies are
>>>
Hi,
Adding Joey to cc (Joey, see below: please pass on if appropriate).
I tend to agree.
Having a new, different slogan on the back of the ladies t-shirt seems
to be singling out a particular type of user. And given that the idea
behind the original slogan was that Ubuntu makes linux easier for
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> > Hey all,
> >
> > No idea who's behind this marketing decision, but...
> >
> > http://perkypants.org/blog/2007/08/20/linux-for-ladies/
> >
> > As discussed in #debian-women earlier...does that mean that ladies are
> > no longer human bein
Hmmm... While I am by no means a supporter of gender separation or
sexism, I see no harm in that t-shirt. It's obvious to me that the
t-shirt is trying to sell Linux, and computing in general, to women.
Not call women "some weird subset with these odd sticky out bits". Of
course, people are enti
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Hey all,
No idea who's behind this marketing decision, but...
http://perkypants.org/blog/2007/08/20/linux-for-ladies/
As discussed in #debian-women earlier...does that mean that ladies are
no longer human beings now?
[19:15] i'll defer to the "lad
> Hello all,
>
> I've been wanting to see the Ubuntuforums and Launchpad a bit more
> integrated for some [1] time [2] now [3], and since I haven't been
> successful at it, I went a different direction.
>
> I would also like to ask everyone reading this, please don't make it
> too public yet (don't
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