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running on Debian
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very important.
I have mine setup so that I (or my userid) owns the songs and covers,
etc. and
allow the squeezebox server user be a member of the group. So it uses
the middle permission.
All the server needs is read access to the files, and directory access
(X) to the upper directories.
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n slide more RAM into it. The CPU is
a bit slow, but as long as you are patient, it will work.
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e stable, releases are much less frequent.
I keep my server in the basement and I don't want to touch it. It runs
for months untouched.
I just SSH in and do a "apt-get update" cycle periodically
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not too
complex, and I think there are now guis to handle the setup.
You can use the network-Windows style password and username support, and
it will look exactly like any other Windows server.
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21:04:34 up 57 days, 19:35, 1 user, load average: 1.08, 1.02, 1.01
I've had it go over a year untouched, always up.
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as.
It will work great, but you need proper access up and down the whole
chain. And if you have the music on a separate partition, you need to
make sure that the disk is mounted properly and accessible to the userid
that is running the server.
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w services as you can, on every computer in your network.
Even a very expensive new commercial router, like Cisco sells to
enterprises are not "sufficient" in themselves. They too need periodic
attention and defense in depth.
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but I started programming on a PDP-10, which
used "teco" as an editor. Teco was the first that I used with the "i"
for insert mode up until you enter escape, just like vi. While teco was
not visual, it had an awesome macro/programming capability.
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etup for an
internal server. One on the open net, that's another question completely.
Sounds like you just need a bit of self discipline to avoid playing with
the pretty colors on the GUI.
You can, if you want, use apt-get to install the GUI and X-windows
stuff, use it, and then have apt-get
r. Lack of the firewall probably
> explains the faster network transfer times.
Load up "guarddog" it a simple "apt-get"
Er, well that needs a GUI. You can do manual IP tables, but Ubuntu
really expects you to have a GUI, its a co
es only minimal updates to the LTS stuff. And for
me, everytime I want to setup a new server, the LTS release is at end of
life.
Its a personal call, but I much prefer Debian over Ubuntu for servers.
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Or at least not once in the 6+ years
of using Debian.
Ubuntu changes a lot of stuff every six months. They move menus, change
applications to do tasks, etc. I'm too much of an old dog, no new tricks
for me.
All IMHO, of course.
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> It might be possible to update the firmware to handle these files.
Not on the ip3k units. New ones, there is a possibility.
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sing email, and I've lost the start of this thread.
What are you trying to do, again?
Thanks
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ffort was screwed up.
I don't know the whole Logitech product line, but I have bought a lot of
their products over the years, and all of the rest are much less
software oriented. And none of the others have any explicit support for
Linux, let alone Kubuntu.
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mudlark wrote:
> dies in disbelief...
Wow, I don't get it at all.
What don't you like?
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ouch, and then get
to the bugs in the Radio. There are, of course, still bugs in the Duet,
Boom, and even Transporter.
I expect that community support is all you will get. By the time the
list is short enough, the Boom 2 and Touch 2 will be sucking all the
oxygen out of the air.
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like Apple and Microsoft have the resources and desire to
do so for their products.
There is no company with such resources anywhere in the same league as
Apple or Microsoft. The geeks who develop Linux and the distros are
geeks, they are not going to want to do this for free. I don&#
the good part of it being open source, is you can look at the
source and not have to wait until some documentation folks keeps the
documentation up to date. The down side is, of course, that the
documentation folks are always behind the current software.
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in particular from the beginning, when I got my first
SqueezeBox 1. I have always run my SlimServer on linux.
But be real, Slim Devices was run by geeks, they sold out to Logitech
years ago. Logitech is not a low volume, niche company.
The server is open source. Patches welcome.
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ary/Custom Browse plugins.
Running two instances is not going to be fun. I'd look for alternative.
The Touch can act as a normal Squeezebox player,
Don't use iPeng, so I can't adress that, but I would expect it to work fine.
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damcknight wrote:
> Has anyone managed to run multiple instances of Squeezebox Server on one
> machine?
I have not tried it and I am doubtful that it would work. There has been
no discussion of it on the beta forums for 7.5
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queries, I'd start there.
While my collection is less than half the size of yours, ~800 artists,
10,000 songs, the DB is tiny. only about 220K
I know that MySql will attempt to cache tables into memory, and with a
4GB machine, it all should be in memory all the t
d with playing music to a player, be
it Classic, Transporter, Boom, etc. Rarely is the speed of the server an
issue when you are streaming bits.
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rough 50 repos, and than
takes several minutes for one. Perhaps some Debian/Ubuntu repos is way
overloaded.
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Jay_S wrote:
> In all, I *love* my D510MO.
Very cool build article.
The MB looks kinda silly, or at least lonely, in that huge case.
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et things up.
Sometimes its like juggling running chainsaws, but that is the cost of
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place to manage the lot, and presumably
> automatically provides gateway and DNS info, so this may be an option.
Which really says that your router implements a DHCP server. It is still
technically a single point of failure, but most homes have that, one
cable/fiber/DSL link to the 'net
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the command, terminated by two blank lines:
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ill then overwrite
> them again, and I'll be back where I started again. Right?
I don't know, but it would be easy to test.
I think rsync uses a md5sum or shasum rather than just looking at the
ownership/premissions.
While I use rsync fairly heavily, I don't chang
er software and changing the userid that the
daemon runs as.
What don't you like about issuing one recursive chmod in the lifetime
of a disk drive?
And even when Logitect makes life harder for us, its usually fixable
with a recursive chown
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t Debian and @probedb is talking about
Ubuntu, the simple fact is that Ubuntu is Debian with some user friendly
stuff.
Perhaps Logitech should actively release code separately for Debian and
Ubuntu, but I don't expect that to ever happen.
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The only way out of this that I can see is for Logitech to put a ton
more effort into the setup scripts and documentation for all the
zillions of combinations of distros and hardware. I don't see this
happening. I would expect
blazerte wrote:
> Just tried the latest V7.4.2 R29572 and it seems to be working ok now,
> at least with 10 Dec version of Debian's testing.
I'm beta testing, so far, squeezeboxserver (7.5.0~29581) is working
fine on my Debian box
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None are exactly the same as EAC.
Perhaps EAC will run under wine...
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t. I go to Apache for apache
documentation, Postfix for that, etc.
Ubuntu LTS is a valid option. Just install the server flavor and tell it
to install everything, all the GUI stuff too.
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etc.) , and I assign fixed IP addresses to all my computers,
squeezeboxen, etc. based on their MAC addresses. Then I have the bind
server resolve the addresses to nice human host names.
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he specifics.
But there is a way.
You might want to check the Ubntu forums. There are tons of very
knowledgeable and helpful folks there. Just ask about automatically
mounting your USB external disk, I'm sure they know the exact steps.
http://u
gt; 7.5... isn't it 8.0 that supposedly will be required to support the
> SBTouch sometime this month? I guess I am a tad confused by all the
> parallel releases...
I can't keep up either. I'm beta testing 7.5 and a Touch. It all works.
I don't have any insight into w
eir servers.
Looks tons like Ubuntu, but is more stable (i.e. changes more slowly).
I think even 7.5 when its released will justify some changes to the
Wiki. At least for me the 7.4 to 7.5 upgrade was pretty easy.
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> tomorrow. Thanks for the help.
Good plan, you are welcome
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erver is the current name. You may want to do all this effort
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use vi) the startup script, you can usually figure out
what it is actually doing.
it probably sets up environment variables and executes
"squeezeboxserver_safe"
so you can locate or find to find that file.
in Debian, its in /usr/sbin
which is *not* in the default user path.
th the same error.
Technically, that is an error that the stop part of the start/restart
logic didn't find anything to stop.
And if its failing that is not a particularly useful message, you know
its not running, what you want is why is it not running.
For that you need to find the logs
and obviously, you need to run the startup script that matches the name
you want to run.
I'm debian, not Suse, so I can't do details for you, but the move to 7.4
brought a new name and a non-trivial amount of setup/startup issues
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the standard mainstream stable Debian version. (They don't change as
often as Ubuntu does.)
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all the desktop or even GUI stuff,
I find that for newbies, as the OP says s/he is, that the UI makes
initial setup a lot easier.
Once you get past newbie status, its easy to live with a lean and mean
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Bruce S. wrote:
> Playing music now.
Can you please open an issue in bugzilla and enter as much info as you
can remember?
It will greatly help the developers know that there are problems
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tall
> squeezecenter until this is fixed?
Can you get yum to remove it?
Clearly you can find the directories, and simply do an rm -rf on it.
The old versions are availble on the slimdevices.com website.
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scripts right, setting the owner/user privs, etc. right.
I don't speak much in the redhat/fedora/centos space anymore, so I can't
do more specific stuff. But snoop around
There might even be a startup script in the usual place, /etc/init
appens if you delibrately or accidentially move to 7.4
There is no SqueezeCenter in 7.4, so you can't start it.
There is a SqueezeBoxServer, and usually it will start right up.
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atever was
fairly cheap six years ago
There are folks running SqueezeBoxServer on shiva plugs, and fan-less
VIA cpus that are under a gigahertz.
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memory, no real CPU cycles.
Just let it run and you can play music anytime you want, no waiting.
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and no touching by a human.
For servers, a Ubuntu LTS is clearly better than their latest and
greatest general packaging.
But I prefer Debian for servers. Same cost, 99% the same GUI, 100% the
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y few years.
I don't do professional development on Windows anymore, so my frequency
of format c: & reinstall is a lot lower.
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wasn't there a bad PGP key with the values 0xdeadbeef a decade or so ago?
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ect a clean install to work directly.
Make sure to verify that your music directories are accessible by the
user/group that the SBS runs as.
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p, the SBS could
not read my music library.
This was true in the beta a while back, and if you have problems with
zero songs in zero albums, its a good place to start
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nt than CPU speed.
The more recent versions of SqueezeCenter/SqueezeBoxServer take more
resources than older versions, feature creep and all that. Its expected
that SBS 8.0 will reduce the requirements once its released, but I don't
expect it until late this year or early next.
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pablolie wrote:
> system on a RAID primary drive (more of a hassle than it is worth is my
> preliminary opinion) and the primary drive is an SSD.
I would think that an SSD for a Unix SlimServer is seriously overkill.
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weekend, such as the username that the server runs under. This can cause
problems with permissions.
I'm sure it will settle down in the next weeks
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Glad you got it working. My music server (nee slimserver, now
SqueezeCenter) just runs untouched for ages.
Pat
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el upgrade and had to reboot back then.
I agree, my two servers run pure Debian and work great. Both are in the
basement, and I never have to touch them. Uptime runs of 100s of days
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Bruce S. wrote:
> Now, I can't select the drive where my music files are located.
Is this drive on the machine? or perhaps Samba or NFS mounted remotely?
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t;search" icon (which looks like a document and a magnifying glass).
In my 9.04 system, there is a meta package, named "mysql-server" in the
results of searching for mysql.
That is the one you need. altho I always install the mysql-client as
well, but its not required by
automagic. Including updates.
I'm sure that the site or wiki has the proper line for apt-get/synaptic
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pick the
OS that supports it. That is why graphics professionals have used Mac's
for decades, the fancy applications are all OS-X.
As much, most folks just buy a computer with Windows, and run it.
But if you have a four core CPU and don't like the performance, I'm not
sure th
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Not clear to me what you are looking for.
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egd wrote:
> Add him ("Goodsounds") to your
> ignore list, the quality of discussion is immediately elevated.
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ll my friends asked "what in the world are you gonna do with all
that memory?" By 1992, beta testing NT, you had to have 32MB to run it.
The latest Intel CPU chips want three sets of physical memory, and the
sweet spot is 6GB in three sticks of 2GB each.
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Goodsounds wrote:
> 2. Linux users are very overrepresented in these forums
God, you are a blowhard.
This is the Unix section. Anyone with half a brain would expect that
nearly everyone in the Unix section is a user of, or interested in,
Unix/Linux/BSD
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set. For example SC has MySql, but you don't need a lot of the command
parsing stuff to actually be in RAM when you run.
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est" in these areas.
Plus, I'm running the beta SC, which is currently Version: 7.4 - r27258
So my ability to help directly is not all that great.
Hope I haven't distracted too many folks
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~pfarrell/sandbox
So when I'm working on the foo project, its in /home/pfarrell/sandbox/foo
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tition later without losing
> your data.
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of what you learn about how to
administer it will carry over from one brand to the next.
I do strongly recommend that you have two disks in the server, a modest
one for the OS and another for your music. That way, you can change the
OS disk without touching your music. With 1TB disk under $100,
always turn it off once you
are solid, just change the inittab entry
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uses, anything will work. Just do what your buddy does, and buy him/her
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> the LTS is the proper way to go.
Or go for the real. Install pure Debian. For a server, its functionally
the same. But a lot more stable, since Debian changes less frequently.
Anyone who is used to Ubuntu will feel right at home, its got Synaptic
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the_arm wrote:
> did "su" get somehow more locked down or removed or something in 9.04?
I don't know. but Debian and Ubuntu don't like su.
I do, I setup an alias to make su work the way it does on all normal
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'su', I expect you will get a command not found error
Its silly to use sudo in an init.d script, since they are all run root
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peterbell wrote:
> Has anyone tried upgrading their SC server to Ubuntu 9.04 yet? I don't
> really want to be the first to try it!
I never get Ubuntu or Debian the first weeks of a release. Let someone
else be the pioneer and get arrows.
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not 100% sure that its always safe, but most of the time, it just
does the update you want. The documentation (man dpkg) says it does the
update.
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root shell
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p and working, I just change the init level and X is not started, so
it has zero impact on performance.
I never worried about changing to try to use 80. I'm sure it can be
done, after all, its open source. But I never bother.
The GUI is also nice for setting up firewalls, the syntax of ip
you let the SC use the default ports. If you change them, you have to
avoid conflicting with Apache's use of 80 and 443.
--
Pat Farrell
http://www.pfarrell.com/
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