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Subject: Re: JSF is the beginning of the end of Struts !!!
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 18:55:06 -0500
>
> Ideally, no "? & = + -" symbols should be in URL at all. Many
people
> complained about these "user unfriendly" URLs.
John Henry Xu wrote:
However, it is rare that people wants get rid of all extensions. In fact
I only heard about this claim the second time today.
"Rare" doesn't mean that it shouldn't be done.
There are some strange-behavior-people like to use php for .net pages,
.aspx for java pages, .js
know it is a php site with 99%
conidence. I have faith in normal people.
John H. Xu
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From: "Jeff Beal"
To: "Struts Users Mailing List"
Subje
I thought I remembered that Tiles only worked when using extension
matching rather than prefix matching... but I was thinking of modules,
which does require extension matching as per the user guide. My bad,
flaky Friday memory :)
Frank
Dave Newton wrote:
Frank W. Zammetti wrote:
Jeff, are
;>>> myfaces
> >>>> implementation to be pretty stable. I'm actually surprised
> >>>> Craig is not
> >>>> listed as a contributor to that project.
> >>>>
> >>>> That's my 50 cents.
> >>>> Greg
> >
>>>> points to
> >>>> some pretty good tutorials. In short testing I've found the
> >>>> myfaces
> >>>> implementation to be pretty stable. I'm actually surprised
> >>>> Craig is not
> >>>> listed a
Frank W. Zammetti wrote:
Jeff, are you saying we shouldn't use extensions at all?
IIRC, Tiles is extension-based, so wouldn't this mean, at the least,
that we can't use Tiles?
What do you mean by 'tiles is extension-based?'
Also, we're talking about extensions on the client view of the
URL
Jeff, are you saying we shouldn't use extensions at all?
IIRC, Tiles is extension-based, so wouldn't this mean, at the least,
that we can't use Tiles?
Frank
Jeff Beal wrote:
I think you're missing the point. There's no reason to include .php,
.asp, .jsp, .xml, or .html in *any* page. They
I think you're missing the point. There's no reason to include .php,
.asp, .jsp, .xml, or .html in *any* page. They don't mean anything.
Furthermore, any assumptions you make about the technology behind a
site based on those extensions is simply not valid. (OT: I'll never
forget the day my 7th
John Henry Xu wrote:
Only dynamically changing pages should use .php, .asp or .jsp.
Why?
Dave
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From: "Jeff Beal"
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Subject: Re: JSF is the beginning of the end of Struts !!!
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:23:55 -0400
>
> In Tim Berners-Lee's defense, the URI wi
Can anyone recommend any good resources? Sure a google search
provides
tons
of information... but which is any good?
Daniel.
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cts that rely on it as also fairly big. Anyone in the
> >>>>telecoms industry
> >>>>will know how even the latest version of Broadvision uses Struts.
> >>>>
> >>>>I have attended some JSF talks, and the technology seems powerful but I
> am
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> From: Jeff Beal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>
> Imagine a company currently using PHP who decides their app has grown past
> the constraints of PHP.
>>
>> As for jsf, is it .jspx? or maybe mapping to others? It is possible jsf
>> maps to html. jsf using .aspx? It is unthinkable even technically
>> possible.
>>
>> John H. Xu
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Neil Erdwien&q
excluded)?
It shouldn't detract from the idea of page "longevity", which would make a
for a better web.
Christopher Marsh-Bourdon
www.marsh-bourdon.com
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as Neil said.
>
> As for jsf, is it .jspx? or maybe mapping to others? It is possible jsf
> maps to html. jsf using .aspx? It is unthinkable even technically
> possible.
>
> John H. Xu
>
> - Original Message -----
> From: "Neil Erdwien"
> To: &qu
ll probably stick with struts. Though i may dabble with JSF a
bit.
Can anyone recommend any good resources? Sure a google search provides tons
of information... but which is any good?
Daniel.
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or jsf, is it .jspx? or maybe mapping to others? It is possible jsf
maps to html. jsf using .aspx? It is unthinkable even technically
possible.
John H. Xu
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From: "Neil Erdwien"
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Subject: Re: JSF is the
; I now have a dilema... I'm just about to start on another project. What
> > technologies do i use?
> >
> > I guess i'll probably stick with struts. Though i may dabble with JSF a
> > bit.
> >
> > Can anyone recommend any good resources? Sure a
[EMAIL PROTECTED] is the lead? Cool!
On 7/25/05, John Public <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> After just finishing my JSF class, I can confidently
> confirm that JSF will eventually lead to Struts
> becoming OBSOLETE. Make no mistake about it. JSF
> rocks. JSF is based on "true" MVC architecture, not
I presume preserving URLs is the reason to map one technology's default
extention to another. For example, if you have a static web site with
files than end in .html, and switch to Java/Struts, then you can map
*.html to the Struts' action servlet.
The end users' bookmarks don't have to chang
John Henry Xu a écrit :
Actually, my favorite sites are the
ones that map "*.asp" to the Struts servlet. Gotta love people that
bend minds like that!
I cannot imagine what motivates people tried to map there servlets to
.asp. Even I could easily map my site to .aspx, I would not do that.
A
I think I need clarify my statements before.
> Craig, I assure you that I always hope Java success and I do think it
> popular for web app. The only thing I think I said Java was not doing
> well as PHP is that PHP becomes more popular in public sites.
>>That is definitely what you claimed. I cl
news to some:
http://bugs.sakaiproject.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4981
I think it was said "us Java dudes" should talk less and produce apps
more in this thread, which is what I said +1 too. It's hard to debate
PHP vs Java on the server, which is better, which is bigger... bla,
)
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From: "Christopher Marsh-Bourdon"
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Subject: Re: JSF is the beginning of the end of Struts !!!
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 20:28:32 +0100
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> http://www.prokmu.com/
>
> After looking at this, my servers
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I charge 15-20 euro / month for an own tomcat, full ssh/scp access, apache in
front, mysql dbs, mail server and so on.
30 euro for a full service
2 USD
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+1 on Yan Hu, Tamas and Pedro
If one open a web hosting business, what should J2EE ho
:-)
Leon
P.S. 1 euro is 1.2 USD
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>
> +1 on Yan Hu, Ta
:-)
Leon
P.S. 1 euro is 1.2 USD
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>
> +1 on Yan Hu, Ta
there I can explore.
Regards,
John H. Xu
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Subject: Re: JSF is the beginning of the end of St
+1 for that answer.
Pedro Salgado
On 27/07/2005 08:15, "Tamas Szabo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I wouldn't bet on PHP being more popular than Java webapps.
>
> I think that there will be more smaller Java webapps if there were much
> support for them at web hosting companies.
> I know several
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Subject: Re: JSF is the beginning of the end of Struts !!!
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 11:26:04 +0200
>
> Craig McClanahan a écrit :
> > Tell me again how you come to
I don't agree on any comments about technology A going to destroy B, C or D.
It is not really the technology that will put an end to something is the
software development community and the customers that will say what they
prefer, want, can provide or have to use.
A real case: anyone remembers the
blic sites support very large user bases.
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> > 3. PHP. I've done some PHP over the last couple years.
>
> PHP and Struts are not antithetical. There have been several ports of
> Struts to PHP, as well as Struts-like frameworks, such as Maverick and
> FuseBox.
>
> I'm not working in PHP myself, but if I were, you can bet I'd be
> porting b
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>
> I wouldn't bet on PHP being more popular than Java webapps.
>
>
On 7/26/05, Greg Reddin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 1. Struts will someday die. If it doesn't, then we've seen the end of
> technology advancement.
And, someday, web applications, as we know them, will also die.
As mentioned elsewhere, ASP.NET made ASP Classic "obsolete" five years
ago. But,
On 7/26/05, Daniel Perry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Can anyone recommend any good resources? Sure a google search provides tons
> of information... but which is any good?
Mastering JavaServer Faces is an excellent book for Struts developers
to read. The authors try to put JSF in context with bot
On 7/26/05, Mark Benussi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If Struts 'dies' I will take it on personally and do whatever it needs that
> it seems to be lacking.
Feel free to step up any time, Mark. We're always on the look out for
volunteers.
* http://struts.apache.org/faqs/helping.html
-Ted.
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I think so, each kind of project needs a type of solution, i developed
lot of simple web sites using ASP/PHP with content management and a
little bit of bussinnes logic, but by crossing the line to web
applications, those technologies turn useless, unsecure and hard to
maintain, reuse and scale.
I
Craig McClanahan a écrit :
Tell me again how you come to the conclusion that Java is not a
popular platform for web app deployments? (To say nothing of the fact
that Microsoft might dispute the "PHP is king" rubric as well :-).
I think this is always the same old argument : what we see on the
I wouldn't bet on PHP being more popular than Java webapps.
I think that there will be more smaller Java webapps if there were much
support for them at web hosting companies.
I know several cases when Java webapp programmers, had to use PHP to
make some smaller webapps for someone because most
Xu:
One of the reasons why you see a lot of PHP apps is that there are always a lot
more small apps
than large scale ones. I can not imagin you program a large scale site using
PHP. If you are an OO
guy, I could hardly imagin you even would like PHP(mixing all server side code
with html code).
T
On 7/26/05, John Henry Xu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Craig said: Tell me again how you come to the conclusion that Java is
> not a
> > popular platform for web app deployments? (To say nothing of the fact
> > that Microsoft might dispute the "PHP is king" rubric as well :-).
>
> Craig, I assur
these numbers.
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From: "Craig McClanahan"
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Subject: Re: Re: JSF is the beginning of the end of Struts !!!
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 21:46:14 -0700
>
> On 7/26/05, John Henry Xu wrote:
&g
On 7/26/05, John Henry Xu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Craig said:You can't properly measure a technology's overall success on
> a single
> > criteria like this.
>
> Craig, you are absolutely right. Maybe there is a better way to measure
> technologies based on broader criteria. The problem was
enry Xu
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Craig McClanahan"
> To: "Struts Users Mailing List"
> Subject: Re: Re: JSF is the beginning of the end of Struts !!!
> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 17:41:14 -0700
>
> >
> > On 7/26/05, John Hen
many hidden sites were Java but we
don't know.
John Henry Xu
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Subject: Re: Re: JSF is the beginning of the end of Struts !!!
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 17:41:14 -0700
>
>
On 7/26/05, John Henry Xu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> But now almost all public sites are dominated by PHP and others...
Whatever the actual truth of this assertion, don't forget that the
number of public Internet based webapps is not all that large compared
to the total number of webapps runnin
John Henry Xu wrote:
You are right. I worked on Java and hope Java success. That is the reason
my links are java-based. I just want see more sites written in Java. That
is why I think in Java world, we need more doers than talkers.
If more java programmers code complex sites, java could compete
John Henry Xu wrote:
Leon Rosenberg: Actually I promised myself not to response to your posts, since
it doesn't make sense...
I remind myself that I don't answer to insulting and irrelevant comments. So...
Uh, you just did.
> > It is interesting to see PHP that has simple programmi
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>
> It is interesting to see that the two sites on your footer are
written using
> JSP.
>
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Subject: Re: JSF is the beginning of the end of Struts !!!
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 21:50:10 +0200
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> > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht
It is interesting to see that the two sites on your footer are written using
JSP.
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It is interesting to
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Subject: RE: Re: JSF is the beginning of the end of Struts !!!
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 09:45:53 +0100
>
> PHP / (origional) JSP are the same stuff really. Scripted web page.
Main
> difference is php not OO (well, the api isnt), and php doesnt
require a
ovides tons
of information... but which is any good?
Daniel.
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No offence but this is a daft co
From: netsql
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Subject: Re: JSF is the beginning of the end of Struts !!!
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 06:27:35 -0500
> There is DAO, etc for PHP, take a look at architecture of TikiWiki.
> And my faviorte lesson: Home page of Spring is in Plone.
>
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Luckily my apps are written with a large amount of the code written for each
customer
Mark Benussi wrote:
Is it
marketing hype to state that Struts/Java/Servlets is for large
applications and I would not build a suite of actions and database
pooling for my old mans plane photos web site
Why would you say that?
.V
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Mark Benussi wrote:
I hav
Mark Benussi wrote:
I have never done any PHP so I can't comment, but agree with the previous
comments in so far as Struts/Java/Servlets is for large applications. I
would not build a suite of actions and database pooling for my old mans
plane photos web site.
You may be just repeating the
e but I don't want to know the answer.
> This is a Struts list and I accept JSF is vaguely relevant but I am not
> going to utter another sentence about PHP.
>
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PHP / (origional) JSP are the same stuff really. Scripted web page. Main
difference is php not OO (well, the api isnt), and php doesnt require any
4:17
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>
> JSF has been there for a while. We have to see how it does in
> real applications.
>
> EJB has been there for many years, but its complexity of
> configuratio
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Subject: Re: JSF is the beginning of the end of Struts !!!
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 20:13:05 -0500
>
> John Public wrote:
> > After just finishing my JSF class, I can
On 7/25/05, John Public <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> After just finishing my JSF class, I can confidently
> confirm that JSF will eventually lead to Struts
> becoming OBSOLETE. Make no mistake about it. JSF
> rocks. JSF is based on "true" MVC architecture, not
> the MODEL 2 version that Struts uses
John Public wrote:
After just finishing my JSF class, I can confidently
confirm that JSF will eventually lead to Struts
becoming OBSOLETE.
:-) Enhydra and Torque would say that too circa 2001.
Put up a site and lets see it.
Let's all get
behind JSF before MS takes over the web.
Nothing wr
After just finishing my JSF class, I can confidently
confirm that JSF will eventually lead to Struts
becoming OBSOLETE. Make no mistake about it. JSF
rocks. JSF is based on "true" MVC architecture, not
the MODEL 2 version that Struts uses. Struts had a
good run, now it is time to build on the JSF
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