On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 9:16 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
>
> On one sense this was an historic event, but from the point of view of an
> organization like the AP it was not newsworthy.
>
If they had believed this was really a one megawatt nuclear fusion reactor
using nickel and hydrogen as fuel in l
Mary Yugo wrote:
As far as I know only Rossi wanted publicity, and not much of that. He did
>> not get much, because he did not reveal much. That does not seem to bother
>> him.
>>
>> I think most of the invitations to the Oct. 28 event were presents to his
>> friends.
>>
>> You mean like the inv
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 8:38 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
> Charles Hope wrote:
>
>>
>> So the client is the American military, who has hired Fioravanti to take
>> possession of their goods, and though the branch wants to keep their
>> identity secret, it nevertheless insisted on the publicity of the
Charles Hope wrote:
>
> So the client is the American military, who has hired Fioravanti to take
> possession of their goods, and though the branch wants to keep their
> identity secret, it nevertheless insisted on the publicity of the October
> 28th test?
>
Where did you hear that the purchaser
Rossi has said the 1st customer does US military research, their 1 MW
E-Cat is installed in the US and they have ordered 13 more. Who they are
working for is anybodies guess. To me it seems clear they were hired to
test the E-Cat at a place away from Rossi (who did the install, is doing
the mai
That's enough with the personal attacks.
So the client is the American military, who has hired Fioravanti to take
possession of their goods, and though the branch wants to keep their identity
secret, it nevertheless insisted on the publicity of the October 28th test?
Am I clear?
On Nov 25
I'm not sure anyone has pointed out the IP advantages to Rossi of
selling his initial plants to the US military.
Unlike the Chinese army or the Iranian republican guard, the US
military is not in the business of reverse engineering, or of lowest
cost procurement. For mission critical components, t
Rich, JC does say a lot of things about Oct. 28, mostly having to climb
mirrors because, really, he does not seem to have ever so much as boiled
water in a pot, and the data from Oct. 28 are particularly few. Regardless,
he has only the "secret investors bound to tight secrecy contracts" as
hypothe
Cude's careful examination of the details of the October 28 demo prove
that excess heat was specifically not established by the data,
according to his obvious, simple analysis of how fast a large increase
in reactor core temperature could heat the large thermal mass of the
cooling water flow -- pro
Rossi's behavior is quite coeherent with a soft-paranoid version.
Scam is not defendable.
let's imagine the option.
MY say, there are no clients, or fake client (actor, friend of scam).
if no client, no cash from clients. (as say MV here)
where from ? from investors ?
no public share sales...
w
MY says there is no client. Let me explore the logical consequences of this
revelation. Because it's a fact. MY said it, and it fits Occam's razor,
which says (I am sure I don't need to remind you) that "whatever MY points
to as the simplest theory, is indeed true".
Therefore, October 28 was all a
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 5:35 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat
wrote:
> WTF? I take it you did not read what our setup is to be and that you do
> not understand what closed loop means?
>
No, I do. And I read what you wrote. And yes, a test of the E-cat in
which it ran without outside power for a long time a
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 6:18 PM, Charles Hope
wrote:
> On Nov 24, 2011, at 19:49, Jed Rothwell wrote:
>
>
> He claims to have a self-destruct mechanism built in.
>
OK. So you hire some munitions experts who defuse such things for a
living. If you buy a megawatt plant, you get 100 tries to disa
Charles Hope wrote:
> He claims to have a self-destruct mechanism built in.
>
Well, perhaps he does, but as I said, dealing a large, highly reputable
institution is a better guarantee.
> As far as I know, it is impossible in the U.S.
>
> But Rossi says it's not cold fusion.
>
It does not mat
On Nov 24, 2011, at 19:49, Jed Rothwell wrote:
> Mary Yugo wrote:
>
> I'm curious. How do you think Rossi protects his IP when he sells 100 of the
> E-cats in a batch to an unnamed client.
>
> I answered that question already. Please reread my message.
>
He claims to have a self-destruct
Rossi has offered to install 1 MW of E-Cats into one half of our
supplier 40 ft container, which will have the heat to Ac kW conversion
system in the other half. Delivery of the 1 MW diathermic oil E-Cat
system is 3 months as per his usual quote. We are now searching for
suitable diathermic oil
WTF? I take it you did not read what our setup is to be and that you do
not understand what closed loop means?
AG
On 11/25/2011 11:46 AM, Mary Yugo wrote:
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 5:06 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat
mailto:aussieguy.e...@gmail.com>> wrote:
There is no way our proposed closed lo
What we need is for the entire system (E-Cat and Heat Engine) to fit
into a single container. When we agree on the design, we propose to ship
our container (with the diathermic oil friendly heat engine installed)
to the E-Cat factory and have the E-Cat half of the container populated.
Then we w
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 5:06 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat
wrote:
> There is no way our proposed closed loop test can be fraud.
>
OK, I'll bite. Why not? And again, when is this test expected to take
place?
There is no way our proposed closed loop test can be fraud.
AG
On 11/25/2011 11:21 AM, Alan Fletcher wrote:
You mean he's changed his mind on selling you a 100KW? Instead, he'll work
with and sell you a custom version of a multi-cat?
(Alternative universe : you hinted that you have a yacht,
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 7:35 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
> I understand why Rossi does not want tests. He is trying to keep his results
> ambiguous. However, until he decides to allow tests, he should not visit
> elected officials and waste their time. He should not waste Hagelstein's
> time. He dam
You mean he's changed his mind on selling you a 100KW? Instead, he'll work
with and sell you a custom version of a multi-cat?
(Alternative universe : you hinted that you have a yacht, so he knows you're an
easy mark)
- Original Message -
> We are working with Rossi to put together a di
Mary Yugo wrote:
I'm curious. How do you think Rossi protects his IP when he sells 100 of
> the E-cats in a batch to an unnamed client.
>
I answered that question already. Please reread my message.
> There is no smoking gun for fraud. But Rossi behaves exactly and
> consistently like free e
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 4:43 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat
wrote:
> We are working with Rossi to put together a diathermic oil E-Cat system,
> feeding a heat engine system that will deliver Ac kWs from the heated
> diathermic oil. We will then feed enough of the generated Ac kWs back into
> the E-Cat to ma
We are working with Rossi to put together a diathermic oil E-Cat system,
feeding a heat engine system that will deliver Ac kWs from the heated
diathermic oil. We will then feed enough of the generated Ac kWs back
into the E-Cat to maintain it in power mode while using the excess Ac
kWs generati
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 4:18 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
> Mary Yugo wrote:
>
> Complete nonsense. That issue is easily solved by black box testing using
>> a reliable and trusted friend of cold fusion or a university laboratory
>> with secret clearance.
>>
>
> You misunderstand. The technical issu
Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote:
We don't know that was what went down.
Nothing much went down. I would have heard from Hagelstein and others if
anything interesting had happened. I do not think there are any secret
arrangements underway. Elected officials do not make secret business
arrangements.
Ross
Mary Yugo wrote:
Complete nonsense. That issue is easily solved by black box testing using
> a reliable and trusted friend of cold fusion or a university laboratory
> with secret clearance.
>
You misunderstand. The technical issues would be resolved, but this would
probably not help resolve his
2011/11/25 Craig Brown :
> Rossi's behaviour with regards to blocking independent testing is explained
> by the fact that he's sitting on potentially the world's most valuable IP
> and doesn't have a US or European patent yet.
>
This is unfortunate but true point. The economical benefit for Rossi
I have not found any strange behavior in my commercial dealings with
Rossi. I totally understand and accept what he asks of his customers and
he accepts my requirements on him. I know he works 16 hours a day as I
do (if needed) as there are about 8 hours a day when there is no almost
immediate
some peopl here imagin that rossi can be a scammer...
It does not seems credible, according tou his strange behavior itself.
if you try to profile him from his behavior, you find more a weak-paranoid
style "persister" in process com.
He does not behave like the usual weak-sociopath style "promoter
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Craig Brown wrote:
> Rossi's behaviour with regards to blocking independent testing is
> explained by the fact that he's sitting on potentially the world's most
> valuable IP and doesn't have a US or European patent yet. There is no need
> for the pseudosceptics
Rossi's behaviour with regards to blocking independent testing is explained by the fact that he's sitting on potentially the world's most valuable IP and doesn't have a US or European patent yet. There is no need for the pseudosceptics to look for conspiracy theories.
So far, nobody seems to be able to predict Rossi's actions as well as Mary can.
The rest of us are stumped, but her hypothesis explains the behavior.
On Nov 24, 2011, at 17:07, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote:
> We don't know that was what went down.
>
> AG
>
>
> On 11/25/2011 8:03 AM, Jed Rothwel
We don't know that was what went down.
AG
On 11/25/2011 8:03 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
A friend wrote to me: "Only Andrea could meet with a senator to ask
for financial incentives to build a factory and refuse to allow them
to test, huh?"
- Jed
Marcello Vitale wrote:
> Uh, Jed, MIT is private. Or maybe you meant UMass?
You are right. It is a 19th century "land grant" college, like Cornell.
Technically private but a lot of it is tied in with the state. (Cornell has
schools entirely funded by New York, and annual funding, and it offers
Heh! When I was a Technical Manager at ITT our lab reported directly to Park
Ave headquarters.
Our new (we had 5 in as many years) technical director went to a critical
meeting in Brussels, and came back gloating about how he had thrashed them.
A week later we were reporting to Brussels.
---
I have read almost all the papers, looked very carefully at all the
videos and photographs, observed how the mains power was applied and saw
the Blue Box and E-Cat sat on tables that would eliminate any hidden
external power source. There was a single mains connection to the Blue
Box and the po
A friend wrote to me: "Only Andrea could meet with a senator to ask for
financial incentives to build a factory and refuse to allow them to test,
huh?"
- Jed
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat
wrote:
> You are way beyond being an open minded doubter.
>
Why? You have never seen an actual E-cat in person have you? You have
never touched one much less tested one? What makes you so sure you will
ever get one to test? Nobody else has don
You are way beyond being an open minded doubter.
AG
On 11/25/2011 7:40 AM, Mary Yugo wrote:
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat
mailto:aussieguy.e...@gmail.com>> wrote:
BTW Rossi has no problems with me doing Black Box testing of a
E-Cat and he knows I'm on Vortex.
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat
wrote:
>
> BTW Rossi has no problems with me doing Black Box testing of a E-Cat and
> he knows I'm on Vortex. It's real, so you doubters get over it. You are
> wrong.
>
We "doubters" will only be wrong if you actually get an E-cat to test--
black
Jed we don't know what happened at those meetings. All you have revealed
it what one person said. There is a LOT more going on here that has been
revealed. Rossi is old school Southern European and keeps his cards VERY
close to his chest. Yanks blast everything all over the web. Very
different
Happy T-day to the US folk. Don't overdo it :-)))
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 5:54 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson <
orionwo...@charter.net> wrote:
> > Jed sez:
> >
> > > If Rossi does not want MIT to test his reactors,
> > > he should never have met
> > > with state officials. It was an emba
> Jed sez:
>
> > If Rossi does not want MIT to test his reactors,
> > he should never have met
> > with state officials. It was an embarrassing waste
> > of everyone's time.
I suspect Rossi would beg to differ. Seems to me that Rossi has always been
operating on "Rossi time."
> From Terry,
> I
Jed said
".But he was meeting with an elected official from the state
of Massachusetts. A couple of miles away from the most prestigious
university of technology in the world, run by the state."
Uh, Jed, MIT is private. Or maybe you meant UMass?
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Jed Rothwe
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 8:51 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
> If Rossi does not want MIT to test his reactors, he should never have met
> with state officials. It was an embarrassing waste of everyone's time.
I dunno. Assuming they paid for the ticket, it was a cheap way for
him to meet with his busin
My question: Did Sen. Bruce Tarr ask Rossi any questions to which Rossi
provided surprising (to B. Tarr) answers?
When an attorney calls a witness, he knows the answers before he asks the
questions. The same applies to public hearings where an elected official
invests his political capital in ca
That is really a stain in his reputation, at least for a few months. I was
going to put my name in the 10K e-cat market research... Not anymore. It
doesn't matter if he really has something real if he cannot prove that he
can provide a reliable, functional and safe product.
2011/11/24 Jed Rothwell
but good way to generate PR that will attract more credulous investors
-- strike a bold pose of independence, thumbing nose at the
establishment... just helping Mary Yugo...
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 5:51 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
> Terry Blanton wrote:
>>
>> It might not be so confusing if one real
Terry Blanton wrote:
It might not be so confusing if one realizes, assuming all is as AR
> says, he has a very narrow window to make money off his eCat.
>
I get that. I really do. But he was meeting with an elected official from
the state of Massachusetts. A couple of miles away from the
most pr
As a potential purchaser, I have had no problems with Rossi agreeing for
us to test our E-Cat. $2m is pocket change for MIT. I suggest there a
lot more that went on than what has been revealed. Many US based LENR
firms will be doing everything they can, calling up all their IOUs to
slow Rossi d
I wish Peter Hagelstein replied: "That's OK, Mr Rossi, fine! No more
public test! Let me put it this way: would you let me test before buy
as you advertise?!".
That would have put AR in the corner, no escape. Is MIT afraid of
being fouled ending up paying $2M for a scam? If it works those $2M
wo
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 11:36 PM, Marcello Vitale wrote:
> I agree with Terry on this. I see no other way for Rossi to make money than
> to try to sell as many big items as he can before somebody much better than
> him at manufacturing comes into the game. Anything else is a distraction.
Let me s
I agree with Terry on this. I see no other way for Rossi to make money than
to try to sell as many big items as he can before somebody much better than
him at manufacturing comes into the game. Anything else is a distraction.
I'll add that corporations go to statehouses to ask for tax breaks :-)))
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
> I cannot understand why he does these things!
I can.
> Well, at least he is consistent.
About that he is. On other things he's consistently inconsistent.
> I am sure that Rossi reactors scaled for home use will require UL
> certification.
It might not be so confusing if one realizes, assuming all is as AR
says, he has a very narrow window to make money off his eCat.
Rossi realizes it and is pumping (intended) out as many as he can
hoping to make his nest egg.
If all is real, Rossi will not get a patent here, but he could likely
ma
2011/11/23 Jed Rothwell :
> Someone from Boston just called me to say that Rossi met with Peter
> Hagelstein at the state capital, and Rossi said exactly what he's been
> saying all along:
> "No more tests. Let the customers decide. Etc."
>
> Peter offered to do a pure black box tests but Rossi tur
>From Jed
> ... Maybe there is more to it. I just heard this in a 5-minute phone call.
> Summary: He said the same stuff he has been saying all along in his blog
> and in the magazines.
> Well, at least he is consistent.
IMHO, (and granted it might be an incorrect opinion) I can't help but
specu
OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote:
> I'm puzzled. Maybe I missed something crucial about the itinerary.
> I thought one of the reasons Rossi went was to see if he could to drum up
> some corporate interest in his technology for the state of Massachusetts.
>
I do not know why he went, but his
>From Jed:
...
> Why did Rossi even go? What was he thinking?
> He does at least make it clear that he cannot reveal anything about this
> because he has no patent. He does not actually say "I do not want widespread
> publicity because I have no patent -- I want to cash in while I can" but I
> am
On 2011-11-23 22:31, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Someone from Boston just called me to say that Rossi met with Peter
Hagelstein at the state capital, and Rossi said exactly what he's been
saying all along:
I actually had some hope for this meeting. It looks like I'll have to
lower my expectations next
I do not know if the UL certifies industrial boilers, but I am sure
someone does.
It seems they do small scale generators, maybe not the biggies:
http://www.ul.com/global/eng/pages/offerings/industries/energy/power/microturbines/tests/
I am sure that Rossi reactors scaled for home use will req
Someone from Boston just called me to say that Rossi met with Peter
Hagelstein at the state capital, and Rossi said exactly what he's been
saying all along:
"No more tests. Let the customers decide. Etc."
Peter offered to do a pure black box tests but Rossi turned him down.
In other words it was
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