Re: [RBW] Re: Bikelessness

[Leah Peterson]

Thanks Ryan in Winnipeg, I know you offer sage advice and that I should chat 
with the shop one more time. I just can’t bring myself to do it a second time. 
The owner is just SO nice, and they are slammed with work right now. I suppose 
the thing that tips me over is that he wheeled my bike in and raved about what 
a lovely thing it was for several minutes. The guy deals Giant, but he told me 
he has referred several clients to Rivendell because the bikes are so superior. 
He tells them the Rivendells will make you happy forever, and he’s right. I 
can’t help but be a little won over, and I know that I am being ridiculous. 
I’ll still go to his shop in the future but I’ll be checking every inch of the 
bike when it comes back to me.

Thanks for your kind words and a nudge in the right direction (though I’m 
mulishly going off the trails). 

George and Andy: yes, my preference is to take flat and repairs classes with 
other women. Much less intimidating when starting from ZERO wrenching 
knowledge. Hoping there are true novices in the room who won’t roll their eyes 
when I ask the most basic questions, ha.

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> On Mar 28, 2019, at 5:43 PM, Ryan Mallory Fleming  
> wrote:
> 
> I agree with Roberta and Joe about calling the LBS on it. And I know, dear 
> Bicycle Belle that you won't be a harpy .. You are too articulate and kind to 
> be like that. And the BBITW would blush with shame..I am sure the LBS will do 
> the right thing.by you as I'm sure you are a good customer. they would be 
> sorry to lose. It's a crazy time for bike shops in spring
> 
> Ryan in Winnipeg
>> On Thursday, 28 March 2019 09:30:27 UTC-5, REC (Roberta) wrote:
>> First, I typed this above: "Between you and me, we probably have about 1/2 
>> of knowledge on the subject of bike mechanics.  " but I meant to type this: 
>> "Between you and me, we probably have about 1/2 hour of knowledge on the 
>> subject of bike mechanics. "
>> 
>> The pictures are lovely and I'm glad you got in some riding before 
>> everything broke again.  I don't recall seeing so much green around you area 
>> (I guess I need to look around more, but it's such a driving-to-everywhere 
>> place), but I like the way your city is planned for open spaces.  I guess as 
>> independent women, even though we prefer to support our LBS (and yours isn't 
>> very local), we need to know how to do some on-the-spot fixing.   There are 
>> lots of videos on YouTube and I think I've also viewed some on the Riv site 
>> and on the Handsome Cycles site. 
>> 
>> I hope your bikes are doing well after some work at REI.  I hope you do 
>> speak with the LBS, because they need to know if things aren't done 
>> correctly.
>> 
>> Roberta
>> 
>>> On Wednesday, March 27, 2019 at 7:06:39 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>> Well, where should I begin? 
>>> 
>>> Overjoyed at the quick turnaround, I picked up my bikes on Monday. I made 
>>> big plans to do a big ride into town and run every errand by bike. The ride 
>>> home is ALL ascent. I had parked my vehicle with the bike rack on it in a 
>>> parking lot and was making my way to it when suddenly that darn front 
>>> derailleur began acting up. I fiddled with it, making it worse, until a 
>>> plastic thing fell off into my hands. The little collar that holds it up 
>>> against the frame had come off. The ONLY descent was into that parking lot, 
>>> so I coasted to the van. I called the LBS (“Craziest thing just 
>>> happened!”)and they told me to bring the bike and the pieces back. 
>>> 
>>> Today I took the broken (again) Betz and also tossed the Clem (whose brakes 
>>> needed attention) on the rack as well. The shop graciously fixed my Betz 
>>> and I asked if there was time for the Clem or if I should leave it there. 
>>> They fixed it on the spot. I was happy but in a hurry to get the boys form 
>>> school, so I paid double what they charged for the Clem and took off. 
>>> 
>>> Well. I got the bikes home, finally had time to inspect them, and the front 
>>> brake is WAY too tight on the Clem AND THE FRONT DERAILLEUR IS NO LONGER 
>>> WORKING. On the Clem. Not the Betz. And I paid double because I felt it was 
>>> kind of them to fit the Clem in. 
>>> 
>>> I know I should call. I know I should take it back, but it’s such a long 
>>> drive and I think I’m just done. I called REI and will take it there 
>>> instead. So bummed. Meanwhile, I’m on YouTube trying to figure out how to 
>>> fix derailleur - is this the nudge I needed to get myself a bike mechanic 
>>> education? 
>>> 
>>> PS The ride I did yesterday was lovely, as evidenced by these photos; more 
>>> of which can be seen on my Instagram... 
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[RBW] Sackville Royal vs. Blue

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

I want to get another pair of Backabike bags- if you’ve never had a pair, 
you’re missing out on one of the finest things in the shop. I wanted the dark 
blue, what we used to refer to as ‘sapphire’ but the website shows there are 2 
blue colors, Royal and Blue and only Blue is available. Does anyone have a 
Sackville in “blue” that would send a photo for me to look at the color? Want 
to be sure the color is right before I buy a pair...

Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: PSA: 2 Gus Boots For Sale on Riv Site

[Drw]

We’ve had 4(?) straight up calls for cash in the last year. I’ve contributed to 
all. Bought a frame for one. I’d be concerned about anyone saying they aren’t 
concerned. 

I truly believe discs would engage a whole new population. I also don’t think 
in bicycle black
And white terms. If a disc brake is all it takes to get people to come over. 
Who cares? Even the ibob group and Jan have been able to see this issue with 
nuance for years now.  Not seeing it with nuance and denying its ramifications 
financially does seem, to me, like a desperate stand. 

Seeing the idea of having options and differentiation as an ok thing is not the 
side that’s taking the stand. 

I’ll also stop now though. 

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[RBW] Re: To Helmet or not

[John Bokman]

Mark, for the record, I wear a helmet ever since I was hit by a car (hit 
and run driver). I was not wearing a helmet at the time. The driver ran 
right through a stop sign and directly into my left side in the middle of 
the intersection. I was thrown up onto the hood of the car, and rolled off, 
ending up far from where I was hit. I had no "serious" injuries, luckily 
enough. I was taken to the hospital, where the medics pulled shrapnel from 
my back. I was concussed, had cuts and bruising to the forehead, sustained 
severe contusions, and tweaked my neck. 

However, I think it's inappropriate to suggest that "the standard Rivendell 
line" is no helmet. From what I recall (could be wrong), Grant has instead 
suggested that we riders think about helmets, and if they are appropriate 
for our use, and how effective they are. He has suggested thinking about 
risk compensation, and so on. I don't remember him ever saying: "don't wear 
a helmet", although I imagine he himself most often chooses not to wear 
one. 

Incidentally, the main reason I wear a helmet is for a good place to mount 
my "take a look" mirror. After being hit, I wanted to see everything behind 
me (although I was hit from the side in this case) as well as in front of 
me. As a safety device, I value my mirror at least as much as my helmet. It 
took quite a while to get used to riding with a mirror, but now that I am 
accustomed to it I find it invaluable. I highly recommend its use for 
commuters.


On Friday, March 29, 2019 at 7:37:00 PM UTC-7, Mark Schneider wrote:
>
> Good evening,
>
> A recent experience has made me curious on everyones opinion of wearing 
> helmets. To some, it seems against the standard Rivendell ethos to wear a 
> helmet. In this case as in others (clipless pedals)I stray from the 
> standard Rivendell line. I believe in them, I won't get on my bike without 
> one for any meaningful ride. Last night, I had an experience that made me 
> damn glad that I do. I was riding eastbound on Pescadero Road right at rush 
> hour, Butano Creek has been flooding the road for some time now so when 
> traffic coming from both directions approaches the flooded area both sides 
> form a cue. I was riding faster than I normally do as it had just started 
> to pour and I was headed home, as I followed a car across the flooded 
> section because of the small wake, I couldn't see the fog line which I try 
> to stay to the left of, also I was watching the cars much closer than I was 
> where my front tire was going.Well as you probably guessed I crashed hard 
> when my from tire hit the lip of a pothole at an angle that thru me 
> sideways off the bike. My helmeted head hit the pavement hard, and while I 
> didn't loose consciousness I wasn't able to stand on my own or get up for a 
> minute or two despite laying in 4-5 inches of cold water. There's no 
> question that I'd have been injured far worse than I was had I not had a 
> helmet on. I ended up in a ambulance and was taken to the ER. Today, I'm a 
> bit foggy, and my neck is killing me. I was concussed and have a whiplash, 
> the doctor told me I was lucky I had a helmet on, I did not go over the 
> handlebars but fell sideways and hit the side of my head. 
> I guess my point is I think this accident could happen to anyone, I've 
> been riding bikes since the early 1960's and I haven't crashed this hard in 
> decades. I did make some errors,  like not waiting for the traffic to pass, 
> but I've crossed this spot many times this winter as well as turning around 
> when there's too much water. I'm usually cautious as injuries heal slowly 
> at my age.
> So my question is, helmet or no helmet, and if no helmet why?
>
> Thanks
> Mark
> Pescadero Basin
>

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Re: [RBW] To Helmet or not

[Drw]

This has been a lightning rod topic in the past (for reasons that escape me). 
Helmet though, and I kinda want one of those fancy new trek ones. 

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Re: [RBW] To Helmet or not

[Joe Gates]

Helmet.  It is second nature now and as Eric said “no real reason not to.”  
Plus, as a father, I am trying to set a good example for my children. One day I 
might be glad they had their helmet on. 

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[RBW] Re: PSA: 2 Gus Boots For Sale on Riv Site

[Joe Bernard]

Bro, the hill I'm dying on is I'm worried about Riv, especially after hearing 
the Roadini didn't sell well. I understand people disagreeing with my opinion 
on the subject, but not understanding my motives for promoting it bewilders me. 

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Re: [RBW] To Helmet or not

[Jim A]

People are giving good reasons for wearing a helmet while cycling.

Follow up question: Helmet or not when doing other activities with similar 
statistical risk of head injury (eg driving a motor vehicle with a seatbelt 
on, climbing a ladder)? If not, why not?

Genuinely curious, but feel free to delete if OT or if helmet wars commence.


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[RBW] Re: To Helmet or not

[S]

This. I have been in several bad crashes, broken more bones on a bike than 
I care to say, and was always glad to have worn a helmet when I did. No 
matter how safe and skilled a rider you are, if you ride a lot you *will* 
crash, or be hit by an idiot in a car, and if you are wearing a helmet, you 
will, at the very least, save some teeth.

On Friday, March 29, 2019 at 7:45:08 PM UTC-7, Christopher Cote wrote:
>
> I've hit my head on the ground with and without a helmet. I know which I 
> prefer. That's all I have to say.
>
> Chris
>

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Re: [RBW] To Helmet or not

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Helmet. Always. Every single ride.

No real reason not to, and lots of good reasons to wear one, among which is the 
fact that I make my living with my brain, which is inside my skull.

--Eric Norris
campyonly...@me.com
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> On Mar 29, 2019, at 7:37 PM, Mark Schneider  wrote:
> 
> Good evening,
> 
> A recent experience has made me curious on everyones opinion of wearing 
> helmets. To some, it seems against the standard Rivendell ethos to wear a 
> helmet. In this case as in others (clipless pedals)I stray from the standard 
> Rivendell line. I believe in them, I won't get on my bike without one for any 
> meaningful ride. Last night, I had an experience that made me damn glad that 
> I do. I was riding eastbound on Pescadero Road right at rush hour, Butano 
> Creek has been flooding the road for some time now so when traffic coming 
> from both directions approaches the flooded area both sides form a cue. I was 
> riding faster than I normally do as it had just started to pour and I was 
> headed home, as I followed a car across the flooded section because of the 
> small wake, I couldn't see the fog line which I try to stay to the left of, 
> also I was watching the cars much closer than I was where my front tire was 
> going.Well as you probably guessed I crashed hard when my from tire hit the 
> lip of a pothole at an angle that thru me sideways off the bike. My helmeted 
> head hit the pavement hard, and while I didn't loose consciousness I wasn't 
> able to stand on my own or get up for a minute or two despite laying in 4-5 
> inches of cold water. There's no question that I'd have been injured far 
> worse than I was had I not had a helmet on. I ended up in a ambulance and was 
> taken to the ER. Today, I'm a bit foggy, and my neck is killing me. I was 
> concussed and have a whiplash, the doctor told me I was lucky I had a helmet 
> on, I did not go over the handlebars but fell sideways and hit the side of my 
> head. 
> I guess my point is I think this accident could happen to anyone, I've been 
> riding bikes since the early 1960's and I haven't crashed this hard in 
> decades. I did make some errors,  like not waiting for the traffic to pass, 
> but I've crossed this spot many times this winter as well as turning around 
> when there's too much water. I'm usually cautious as injuries heal slowly at 
> my age.
> So my question is, helmet or no helmet, and if no helmet why?
> 
> Thanks
> Mark
> Pescadero Basin
> 
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[RBW] Re: PSA: 2 Gus Boots For Sale on Riv Site

[ted]

I can’t recall anybody from RBW saying “disc brakes suck”.  Seems to me they 
just don’t buy the argument that disc brakes rule, and choose not to follow 
that trend. As not following industry trends is part of their modus operandi, 
this instance doesn’t surprise me much. Nor does it particularly concern me.
The only folks I see looking to die on a hill are the ones harping on how RBW 
really really really should be selling disk brake bikes.

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[RBW] Re: FS 52 cm Homer (Toyo frame) $1500

[Alan H]

I'm dropping the price to $1500. This bike really deserves to be ridden by 
someone! I'll post some updated pics this weekend, but if you have 
questions, ask!



On Monday, March 18, 2019 at 9:53:15 AM UTC-7, Alan H wrote:
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> I've finally admitted to myself that my Homer is a wee bit too small for 
> me. I bought it used and I've spent the last 3 years trying to get it 
> dialed in, but I've never gotten it quite right. I've tried Noodles, 
> Chocos, and Albatross bars, short stems, long stems, and Dirt Drop stems. 
> Cork tape, cloth tape, and Ergon paddles. I even tried putting big tires on 
> it (WTB Byways...they don't fit).
>
> Last fall I bought a Roadini with Albastache bars, and it's a great fit. 
> Now the Homer just sits there looking lonely and unloved so I'm putting it 
> up for sale in the hopes that someone else will make it their own and give 
> it the attention it deserves.
>
> Here's the setup. $1800
>
> Non-MIT A. Homer Hilsen size 52 cm (I think it's a Waterford frame, but it 
> could be a Toyo. It is *not* one of the new Taiwan frames).
>
> Albatross bars and a 12-cm Nitto Tallux Stem
> Nitto Crystal Fellow Seatpost
> Brooks C17 saddle
>
> Drivetrain is 3x9 with
>- Sugino XD2 triple 46/36/24
>- Shimano XT front and rear derailers
>- Shimano XT 11-32 rear cassette
>- Microshift bar end shifters (index/friction switchable)
>
> S!LVER-branded sidepull brakes (i.e., Tektro R559s)
> Shimano Ultegra R780 brake levers
>
> 650b wheelset built by Rich Lesnik with Velocity Synergy rims and Shimano 
> LX Deore Hubs
> Soma Express 37mm tires (I'll include a pair of 1.6" Schwalbe Marathon 
> Supremes too)
>
> Nitto Campee racks, front and rear
> Wald basket
> SKS Longboard fenders
>
> Below is a picture to give you an idea what the bike looks like. It's an 
> older picture that is slightly different than the current build. For 
> example, the picture shows a B17 saddle and Thompson seatpost rather than 
> the above-listed C17 saddle and Nitto seatpost. Similarly the pic shows 
> thumbie shifters and Ergon grips instead of the bar end shifters that are 
> listed. Also the fenders are not currently mounted on the bike but will be 
> included if you want them.
>
> I would prefer a local sale (I'm in Orange County, CA), but I'm willing to 
> work with a local bike shop to ship it.
>
> - Alan
>
> [image: IMG_0829.jpg]
>
>
>

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[RBW] To Helmet or not

[Joe Bernard]

Discs

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Re: [RBW] To Helmet or not

[John McBurney]

Now the other question...which helmet?

I owe my life to a MSR mountain climbing helmet.  I was a strong 16 year
old junior in 1970 when I rolled my tubular at 30 mph. My riding partner,
my grandfather, and I were among the few who wore helmets back then. The
MSR used a nylon web and deformable rings and I pushed the webbing to the
shell when I landed. The outer was deeply gouged right on the top .

I’ve crashed several times since. Been hit by a truck. But this was the big
one.

I recently bought on of the new Bontrager waveflow helmets. I can’t PROVE
it’s better than a styrofoam helmet... but I’m hedging my bets. As a
knowledge worker I don’t have a choice.

John W McBurney MD
Neurologist

On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 10:38 PM John McBurney  wrote:

> Helmet.
>
> On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 10:37 PM Mark Schneider 
> wrote:
>
>> Good evening,
>>
>> A recent experience has made me curious on everyones opinion of wearing
>> helmets. To some, it seems against the standard Rivendell ethos to wear a
>> helmet. In this case as in others (clipless pedals)I stray from the
>> standard Rivendell line. I believe in them, I won't get on my bike without
>> one for any meaningful ride. Last night, I had an experience that made me
>> damn glad that I do. I was riding eastbound on Pescadero Road right at rush
>> hour, Butano Creek has been flooding the road for some time now so when
>> traffic coming from both directions approaches the flooded area both sides
>> form a cue. I was riding faster than I normally do as it had just started
>> to pour and I was headed home, as I followed a car across the flooded
>> section because of the small wake, I couldn't see the fog line which I try
>> to stay to the left of, also I was watching the cars much closer than I was
>> where my front tire was going.Well as you probably guessed I crashed hard
>> when my from tire hit the lip of a pothole at an angle that thru me
>> sideways off the bike. My helmeted head hit the pavement hard, and while I
>> didn't loose consciousness I wasn't able to stand on my own or get up for a
>> minute or two despite laying in 4-5 inches of cold water. There's no
>> question that I'd have been injured far worse than I was had I not had a
>> helmet on. I ended up in a ambulance and was taken to the ER. Today, I'm a
>> bit foggy, and my neck is killing me. I was concussed and have a whiplash,
>> the doctor told me I was lucky I had a helmet on, I did not go over the
>> handlebars but fell sideways and hit the side of my head.
>> I guess my point is I think this accident could happen to anyone, I've
>> been riding bikes since the early 1960's and I haven't crashed this hard in
>> decades. I did make some errors,  like not waiting for the traffic to pass,
>> but I've crossed this spot many times this winter as well as turning around
>> when there's too much water. I'm usually cautious as injuries heal slowly
>> at my age.
>> So my question is, helmet or no helmet, and if no helmet why?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Mark
>> Pescadero Basin
>>
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[RBW] To Helmet or not

[Christopher Cote]

I've hit my head on the ground with and without a helmet. I know which I 
prefer. That's all I have to say.

Chris

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[RBW] Re: Why I’m excited for Boots, GBW

[Mark Schneider]

Congratulations, you must have gotten a demo I guess. I personally need 
gears, I could live with 9 for a bike like Gus, but I'd probably prefer 27 
as I ride on most of the bikes that I actually  ride very often. I have an 
Atlantis 2 and will have to decide if the Gus is something I need. 
Can't wait to see your build and har your impression. 

Mark

On Friday, March 29, 2019 at 3:15:38 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> In modern parlance, Grant follows his bliss. He followed his bliss and 
> built bikes sized to fit people and have handlebars at or above saddle 
> height. This is now common in the industry. He followed his bliss and built 
> bikes for country riding. Tires industry wide became wider. It took a 
> while, but the “country bike” category eventually became gravel, then 
> allroad. He followed his bliss and built bikes for the dead and gone tire 
> size 650b. 650b (aka 27.5) is now ubiquitous in the industry. He has a bit 
> of a track record of doing things that the industry catches up with, often 
> usurps.
>
> Will that happen with the Hillybike phenom that started the amazing 
> movement to get out into the wilds and experience and love nature rather 
> than dominate her? Will companies like Surly decide to do the same type of 
> geometry but less well, more affordable? Will rim brakes and wider rims 
> that work with them make a resurgence? Will people realize that the joy of 
> riding in the wilds is not in the time it takes between a and b, but the 
> time between a and b? Time will tell.
>
> I’m in. My Boots (to be christened Beorn), ships sometime next week. This 
> is the riding I already do, and Gus Boots Willsen looks to be a bike that 
> does it better yet. Purposly built to be an AllWays bike (not limited to 
> roads, like allroad bikes are) that can handle bikepacking with aplumb and 
> have a happy, comfortable engine the entire time.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
> www.CatholicHalos.org
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Re: [RBW] To Helmet or not

[John McBurney]

Helmet.

On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 10:37 PM Mark Schneider  wrote:

> Good evening,
>
> A recent experience has made me curious on everyones opinion of wearing
> helmets. To some, it seems against the standard Rivendell ethos to wear a
> helmet. In this case as in others (clipless pedals)I stray from the
> standard Rivendell line. I believe in them, I won't get on my bike without
> one for any meaningful ride. Last night, I had an experience that made me
> damn glad that I do. I was riding eastbound on Pescadero Road right at rush
> hour, Butano Creek has been flooding the road for some time now so when
> traffic coming from both directions approaches the flooded area both sides
> form a cue. I was riding faster than I normally do as it had just started
> to pour and I was headed home, as I followed a car across the flooded
> section because of the small wake, I couldn't see the fog line which I try
> to stay to the left of, also I was watching the cars much closer than I was
> where my front tire was going.Well as you probably guessed I crashed hard
> when my from tire hit the lip of a pothole at an angle that thru me
> sideways off the bike. My helmeted head hit the pavement hard, and while I
> didn't loose consciousness I wasn't able to stand on my own or get up for a
> minute or two despite laying in 4-5 inches of cold water. There's no
> question that I'd have been injured far worse than I was had I not had a
> helmet on. I ended up in a ambulance and was taken to the ER. Today, I'm a
> bit foggy, and my neck is killing me. I was concussed and have a whiplash,
> the doctor told me I was lucky I had a helmet on, I did not go over the
> handlebars but fell sideways and hit the side of my head.
> I guess my point is I think this accident could happen to anyone, I've
> been riding bikes since the early 1960's and I haven't crashed this hard in
> decades. I did make some errors,  like not waiting for the traffic to pass,
> but I've crossed this spot many times this winter as well as turning around
> when there's too much water. I'm usually cautious as injuries heal slowly
> at my age.
> So my question is, helmet or no helmet, and if no helmet why?
>
> Thanks
> Mark
> Pescadero Basin
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[RBW] To Helmet or not

[Mark Schneider]

Good evening,

A recent experience has made me curious on everyones opinion of wearing 
helmets. To some, it seems against the standard Rivendell ethos to wear a 
helmet. In this case as in others (clipless pedals)I stray from the 
standard Rivendell line. I believe in them, I won't get on my bike without 
one for any meaningful ride. Last night, I had an experience that made me 
damn glad that I do. I was riding eastbound on Pescadero Road right at rush 
hour, Butano Creek has been flooding the road for some time now so when 
traffic coming from both directions approaches the flooded area both sides 
form a cue. I was riding faster than I normally do as it had just started 
to pour and I was headed home, as I followed a car across the flooded 
section because of the small wake, I couldn't see the fog line which I try 
to stay to the left of, also I was watching the cars much closer than I was 
where my front tire was going.Well as you probably guessed I crashed hard 
when my from tire hit the lip of a pothole at an angle that thru me 
sideways off the bike. My helmeted head hit the pavement hard, and while I 
didn't loose consciousness I wasn't able to stand on my own or get up for a 
minute or two despite laying in 4-5 inches of cold water. There's no 
question that I'd have been injured far worse than I was had I not had a 
helmet on. I ended up in a ambulance and was taken to the ER. Today, I'm a 
bit foggy, and my neck is killing me. I was concussed and have a whiplash, 
the doctor told me I was lucky I had a helmet on, I did not go over the 
handlebars but fell sideways and hit the side of my head. 
I guess my point is I think this accident could happen to anyone, I've been 
riding bikes since the early 1960's and I haven't crashed this hard in 
decades. I did make some errors,  like not waiting for the traffic to pass, 
but I've crossed this spot many times this winter as well as turning around 
when there's too much water. I'm usually cautious as injuries heal slowly 
at my age.
So my question is, helmet or no helmet, and if no helmet why?

Thanks
Mark
Pescadero Basin

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[RBW] Why I’m excited for Boots, GBW

[Ian A]

Once again many congratulations on your upcoming acquisition. It would be a sad 
day around here if you were to sell the QB. Some bikes just make themselves 
favorites and I suspect the QB fills that spot in your quiver.

IanA. Also looking forward to DPGBW ride reports.

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[RBW] Re: RBW XXV WHO’S COMING

[Justin, Oakland]

FIXED

On Friday, March 29, 2019 at 11:57:58 AM UTC-7, Justin, Oakland wrote:
>
> RIV 25th ANNIVERSARY WHO'S COMING
> http://rbwxxv.eventbrite.com 
>
>
>
> Justin
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[RBW] Re: PSA: 2 Gus Boots For Sale on Riv Site

[Drw]

To me it just seems like a totally unnecessary stand to take. I have a disc and 
rim bike. I like both. They both stop. My Atlantis is my favorite, but I do 
worry about wide rim availability. What is there beyond the cliffhanger?. The 
world has moved to discs, and I think it has pros and cons but definitely 
nothing so destructive I’d want riv to lose customers over it (they are).
Going forward, I wouldn’t buy a rim brake bike, and especially not a rough 
stuff one. 1- I already have one, 2- they aren’t noticeably better in my 
experience. 
I hope riv sells 1 million gus’s. I think it’s a cool bike, but I agree with 
joe that it seems to be filling an increasingly small niche that riv has 
already filled multiple times. 
I spend a lot of time trying to buy riv stuff, but I probably won’t buy another 
of their bikes unless they offer a disc model. Again, not because I’m so in 
love with discs, just because that’s an easier bike to have now and I don’t 
know many downsides. I want riv to flourish and the disc brakes suck hill seems 
like a really small one to die on.  

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[RBW] Why I’m excited for Boots, GBW

[ted]

Are there any spare / left over frank jones sr. “Alligator “ rear drop outs in 
existence and if yes can D score a set? 
I suspect that would be the cleanest way to beem ify a boots.

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Re: [RBW] Re: I got a MIT Atlantis

[Ash]

HI Joe,

Yes, it is 26.8 - I had used this with my MIT Atlantis frame for that 
blacked out build.



On Thursday, 28 March 2019 15:24:18 UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Hi Ash, isn't it cool?! 
>
> No decent ride report yet, my schedule filled up with all the things 
> today. 
>
> Pedals are Deity Black Kat, they're huge! 
>
> Is your black post 26.8?
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: I got a MIT Atlantis

[Joe Bernard]

An interesting side note about the guy who was admiring my bike:

"Atlantis, I've never heard of them."

'Oh, it's made by Rivendell in Walnut Creek, Atlantis is the model of bike.'

".."

I really wish Riv would put "Rivendell" in small font on the toptube like early 
Bridgestones. 

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[RBW] Why I’m excited for Boots, GBW

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Chris asked, “Will you keep it set up with multiple gears, or go fixed?”

Great question, Chris! Quick answer: I’ll test free/multigears first, go to 
fixed if needed. Longer answer...

The fixed gear Boots conundrum led me to a number of realizations:

1. I’ve ridden fixed gear for 18 months, without riding a freewheel.
2. I’ve never switched back and forth between fixed and free.
3. I’ve done very successful bikepacking trips of 2-4 days on the Hunqapillar, 
before it became the Hunqabeam. I’ve also done a successful 4-day bikepacking 
trip fixed (it ended because of smoke, not fixed gear or brain issues).
4. Many of the challenges I experienced with the fixed gear trips last year are 
solved by gears. Changing gears in noisy areas, changing gears is hard with 
panniers on, descents on long mountain passes with traffic slowed because of 
fixed gear, toe clips blowing up because of rock strikes during LCG because the 
pedals were turning and the bike weighted (that one contributed to the early 
ending of the trip, but I’ve solved it via HoldFast straps instead).

These facts led to the questions:

1. Can I switch back and forth between fixed and free, or will that boggle me 
brain? I’m well used to both, having ridden free all my life, fixed for the 
last 18 months. If not, I’m one Eno Eccentric hub away from a fixed Boots. If 
that doesn’t work as I need it, I can make Boots a GBWBeam. Grin.
2. If I can switch between fixed and free, how much brain energy do I spend 
while on remote roads and trails vs. noisy ones? If bikepacking and longer day 
rides have me remote more, is there realitively less benifit to fixed?

In short, I will learn a lot and have great options no matter what. Grin. I can 
easily imagine that I’ll do most day rides (which involve non-remote areas for 
75% of the milage) would be fixed because it allows me to weather non-remote 
areas better, but Boots being by long day ride Bikepacking bike because it is 
purpose built for that type of riding and it is remote 75-95% of the milage, 
with the QB as a go fast long allroad bike.

When my wife found out I was going to sell my QB to make Boots happen, she 
refused, argued against me, and found a way to make it happen. I lost the 
argument and now Boots is my birthday present. Chagrined grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: PSA: 2 Gus Boots For Sale on Riv Site

[Joe Bernard]

Oh I'm definitely howling at the moon, S. It's not changing any minds at Riv (I 
tried), and it just ends up pissing people off here. I'm out!

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[RBW] Re: Brake Boss Prep? (new frame)

[Ed Carolipio]

Hi John,

I don't think so. Do you have your cantis handy? I checked a set of cheap-o 
Tektro Oryx's I have on a shelf and the brake arm rides on an inner metal 
tube, not the boss, and this tube would remain fixed relative to the boss. 
The CX50s on my bike is built similarly but I couldn't verify without 
removing it. 

--Ed C.

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[RBW] Re: Why I’m excited for Boots, GBW

[Ed Carolipio]

Congrats as well! Looking forward to your comparisons with the 
Hunqapillar/beam.

--Ed C.

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[RBW] Re: PSA: 2 Gus Boots For Sale on Riv Site

[S]

Several bikes in the current line-up are going away, some permanently, so I 
expect there to be less model overlap by the end of the year. But I hear 
you. That's why I asked how the GBW is different from the Clem. 

I wouldn't say you're howling at the moon regarding disc brakes. Like it or 
not, and as the NAHBS data show, the industry is moving to disc. Long term, 
I don't know what that means for Rivendell. And if Rivendell ever does 
offer a disc bike, especially an allroad/gravel type bike, I'm certain that 
a lot of people here would buy it. 

On Friday, March 29, 2019 at 2:57:14 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> As I said, Riv already has several dirt/trail/gravel-worthy bikes. My 
> concern is GBW will land in a valley between Rivs people already have and 
> the type of equipment people want for gnarlier/steeper terrain. 
>
> Also like I said, I'm howling at the moon. We had this whole debate 
> endlessly last year and the bike still has v-brakes. I hope they sell a ton 
> of them. 
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[RBW] Why I’m excited for Boots, GBW

[Christopher Cote]

Congrats, I look forward to to reading your ride reports. Will you keep it set 
up with multiple gears, or go fixed?

Chris

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[RBW] RBW XXV WHO’S COMING

[Philip Williamson]

Says “sale ended?”
I’m coming, for sure.

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA

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[RBW] Re: PSA: 2 Gus Boots For Sale on Riv Site

[S]

Several bikes in the current line-up are going away, some permanently, so I 
expect there to be less model overlap by the end of the year. But I hear 
you. That's why I asked how the GBW is different from the Clem. 

I wouldn't say you're howling at the moon regarding disc brakes. Like it or 
not, and as the NAHBS data show, the industry is moving strongly toward 
disc. Long term, I don't know what that means for Rivendell. And if 
Rivendell were to introduce, say, an all-around -- or, if you prefer, 
"gravel" -- bike with disc brakes, I have no doubt that quite a few people 
here would buy one. 

On Friday, March 29, 2019 at 2:57:14 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> As I said, Riv already has several dirt/trail/gravel-worthy bikes. My 
> concern is GBW will land in a valley between Rivs people already have and 
> the type of equipment people want for gnarlier/steeper terrain. 
>
> Also like I said, I'm howling at the moon. We had this whole debate 
> endlessly last year and the bike still has v-brakes. I hope they sell a ton 
> of them. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: I got a MIT Atlantis

[Joe Bernard]

Hi Mark, 

Yes the handling is the same, there's hardly any weight in the bag. The 
'walking speed tiller effect' is quite minimal, and possibly a result of the 
tire and slack angle as much as the stem. It's not there at all with hands 
forward where a short-reach stem clamp would be. 

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[RBW] Dynamo Lights

[mcburnjow]

I have a question. I recently acquired a lovely Bombadil with a SON dynamo 
front hub and Supernova E3 front and rear light. The bike is circa 2008 and so 
I assume is the light. I really like having a dynamo light. I have a *lot* of 
battery powered lights as I cycle year round night or day. In researching this 
light, I gather that Supernova is well regarded. If I order a bright dynamo 
light like the Busch and muller IQ-X will I see significant increase in 
performance? 

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[RBW] Re: PSA: 2 Gus Boots For Sale on Riv Site

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

It was a wonderful courtesy, Colin! Thank you. It was your post that alerted me 
to the demo bike being available and led to the purchase (a complete surprise 
to me, courtesy of me loving and supportive wife who amazes and humbles and 
elevates me daily!).

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: I got a MIT Atlantis

[esoterica etc]

Hey Joe,

Glad to hear the shakedown ride went so well, and that you’re really enjoying 
the new wheels! I love my new-to-me Atlantis, but I’m in the process of 
figuring out a new drop bar cockpit (current is with Bosco bars on a 110mm 
stem), and because of the long top tube, I’ll need a pretty short stem too. I 
don’t think I’ll go 0mm stem, but am looking at a 30 or 50mm stem. The 
ultra-short reach stem goes against everything my brain says should work, so 
it’s encouraging to hear that your experience is so positive after a quick 
initial adjustment. Did you find that the handling with the short stem was the 
same with or without a load on the front?

~Mark 


> On Mar 29, 2019, at 18:12, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> Pics from today, fully bebagged. 
> 
>> On Friday, March 29, 2019 at 3:10:57 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>> Update after actual semi-decent time in the saddle: It's awesome!
>> 
>> The bars set dead level didn't work, they're in a more common dropbar 
>> position now and it felt great. My hands are a little sore, but I haven't 
>> been riding much and this is new, so that's going to happen no matter what. 
>> 
>> The 0° stem has a bit of tiller effect at walking speed when gripping the 
>> flats, no doubt exacerbated by the front rack and bag. It was invisible 
>> after a half hour though, and not there at all at speed. 
>> 
>> Wow I'm REALLY not into front derailers anymore. This will eventually be a 
>> 1x with a wide range cassette. 
>> 
>> An older (my age) fellow at the post office seemed ready to buy this exact 
>> one on the spot. He wasn't a cyclist, but he moved from the paint to the 
>> gold bits to the dynohub like he'd just discovered beautiful bicycles for 
>> the first time. That was fun!
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[RBW] Re: PSA: 2 Gus Boots For Sale on Riv Site

[Collin A]

Hm, here I thought this would just be a courtesy to folks who were 
interested in buying a Gus...whoops!

I'll throw in my two cents here then. I rode a Clem Smith with 2.4 knobbies 
in a MTB race last weekend and didn't die AND I beat half the crowd (with a 
20 minute beer/margarita brake in the middle). There were fat bikes, full 
suspension squish bikes, hardtails, a couple fully rigid disc brake bikes, 
etc. and everyone enjoyed their bikes for what they allowed them to do that 
day. There were plenty of folks who said to me that I should be riding a 
modern bike, but there were plenty more that were just happy to see folks 
on their bikes having fun.

Not every design decision has to be a solution to a problem (i.e. rim 
brakes on a plus sized tire bike). Sometimes you just want to try something 
because its fun and enjoyable to ride and gets you 95% of the way there.

Rim brakes work, hydraulic brakes work, and everyone rides the bike they 
enjoy the most for racing or just putting along on the trails. I'm just 
glad there are options for so many types of riders out there.

Cheers,
Collin

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[RBW] Re: PSA: 2 Gus Boots For Sale on Riv Site

[Joe Bernard]

It seems silly to you. I think it's just as valid an opinion as totally loving 
the bike and expressing THAT opinion. I only got into again here because 
someone else brought it up, and am only expressing my concerns about marketing 
and sales. It's clearly a great bike that will work for the people who want it. 
 

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[RBW] Re: PSA: 2 Gus Boots For Sale on Riv Site

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I’ve started a new thread on why I’m excited for Boots. It seems silly to 
lament or arm-chair quarterback a man following his bliss, especially one with 
a track record of changing the industry multiple times who has successfully run 
a company for over 25 years.

https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/1RL4-0yKUHs

With abandon,
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[RBW] Why I’m excited for Boots, GBW

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

In modern parlance, Grant follows his bliss. He followed his bliss and built 
bikes sized to fit people and have handlebars at or above saddle height. This 
is now common in the industry. He followed his bliss and built bikes for 
country riding. Tires industry wide became wider. It took a while, but the 
“country bike” category eventually became gravel, then allroad. He followed his 
bliss and built bikes for the dead and gone tire size 650b. 650b (aka 27.5) is 
now ubiquitous in the industry. He has a bit of a track record of doing things 
that the industry catches up with, often usurps.

Will that happen with the Hillybike phenom that started the amazing movement to 
get out into the wilds and experience and love nature rather than dominate her? 
Will companies like Surly decide to do the same type of geometry but less well, 
more affordable? Will rim brakes and wider rims that work with them make a 
resurgence? Will people realize that the joy of riding in the wilds is not in 
the time it takes between a and b, but the time between a and b? Time will tell.

I’m in. My Boots (to be christened Beorn), ships sometime next week. This is 
the riding I already do, and Gus Boots Willsen looks to be a bike that does it 
better yet. Purposly built to be an AllWays bike (not limited to roads, like 
allroad bikes are) that can handle bikepacking with aplumb and have a happy, 
comfortable engine the entire time.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: I got a MIT Atlantis

[Joe Bernard]

Update after actual semi-decent time in the saddle: It's awesome!

The bars set dead level didn't work, they're in a more common dropbar position 
now and it felt great. My hands are a little sore, but I haven't been riding 
much and this is new, so that's going to happen no matter what. 

The 0° stem has a bit of tiller effect at walking speed when gripping the 
flats, no doubt exacerbated by the front rack and bag. It was invisible after a 
half hour though, and not there at all at speed. 

Wow I'm REALLY not into front derailers anymore. This will eventually be a 1x 
with a wide range cassette. 

An older (my age) fellow at the post office seemed ready to buy this exact one 
on the spot. He wasn't a cyclist, but he moved from the paint to the gold bits 
to the dynohub like he'd just discovered beautiful bicycles for the first time. 
That was fun!   

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[RBW] Re: PSA: 2 Gus Boots For Sale on Riv Site

[Christopher Cote]

My experience with SRAM hydraulic brakes is with the low end stuff. I'm happy 
to be corrected if their higher end brakes are good. As for BB7s, I only had 
trouble with one set, and I solved that by putting in new pads, and following 
the setup instructions to the letter. No issues since.

I'm not anti rim brake, I just bought an Atlantis, and for what I'll use it 
for, V-Brakes with Kool Stop Salmon pads are perfectly adequate. If I was in 
the market for a GBW, I'd want discs.

Chris

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[RBW] Re: PSA: 2 Gus Boots For Sale on Riv Site

[Joe Bernard]

As I said, Riv already has several dirt/trail/gravel-worthy bikes. My concern 
is GBW will land in a valley between Rivs people already have and the type of 
equipment people want for gnarlier/steeper terrain. 

Also like I said, I'm howling at the moon. We had this whole debate endlessly 
last year and the bike still has v-brakes. I hope they sell a ton of them. 

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[RBW] Re: Friction down tube shifters

[Ron Mc]

Paul, made me check.  My Chorus DT shifter covers 150-degrees over the 
width of a Record 8sp cassette, 130mm OLD.  Should be the same pull to 
cover a 10s, but not sure about Shimano vs. Campy pull distance.  
As far as sensitivity, it shifts better than anybody's index - picking the 
next gear is a mindless adjustment you can make even before pedaling.  

 

Without question, Triomphe and earlier Campy DT shifters don't have the 
cable pull.  

On Friday, March 29, 2019 at 2:28:57 PM UTC-5, PaulS wrote:
>
> Thanks for that.  I will look into those as well.  I am currently 
> researching info to see if old Campagnolo DT shifters will work.  I'm 
> getting mixed info.  Those Dia Compe's look pretty cool, too.
>
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[RBW] Re: PSA: 2 Gus Boots For Sale on Riv Site

[PaulS]

100% agreed.  Glad Riv is still making quality rim brake bikes.  I was 
searching for a Trucker or Karate Monkey with rim brakes before I bought 
the Riv.  Glad I got the Riv.

Regarding discs, BB7's, those have been the most finicky brakes I've had 
to-date.  Shimano hydraulics have been flawless.  Spyke/Spyre's were 
underwhelming.  Hoping to try out a Klamper one of these days.

On Friday, March 29, 2019 at 1:59:40 PM UTC-6, S wrote:

> I understand about marketing, and I am not questioning anyone’s right to 
> an opinion, but comparing the GBW to the Jones seems a bit like comparing 
> apples and oranges. 
>
> Rivendell has always been about sticking to what they like. If you want a 
> steel frame with disc brakes, there are a ton of choices. On the other 
> hand, steel frames with canti/v-brake mounts are rarer and rarer and I, for 
> one, am glad that Rivendell still makes them. Moreover, Grant is interested 
> in general riding, not bombing down super gnarly trails, and for that 
> purpose, rim brakes seem like a good choice. 
>
> As I wrote, however, I will check out the disc brakes mentioned and maybe 
> I will become a convert. I have been wrong about a lot of stuff.

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[RBW] WTB: Mieshas / RBW Cork grips

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Hi. I sent you a PM. Have a new set of the normal I’d be happy to sell to you

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[RBW] Re: PSA: 2 Gus Boots For Sale on Riv Site

[S]

I understand about marketing, and I am not questioning anyone’s right to an 
opinion, but comparing the GBW to the Jones seems a bit like comparing apples 
and oranges. 

Rivendell has always been about sticking to what they like. If you want a steel 
frame with disc brakes, there are a ton of choices. On the other hand, steel 
frames with canti/v-brake mounts are rarer and rarer and I, for one, am glad 
that Rivendell still makes them. Moreover, Grant is interested in general 
riding, not bombing down super gnarly trails, and for that purpose, rim brakes 
seem like a good choice. 

As I wrote, however, I will check out the disc brakes mentioned and maybe I 
will become a convert. I have been wrong about a lot of stuff.

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[RBW] Re: PSA: 2 Gus Boots For Sale on Riv Site

[S]

I understand about marketing, and I am not questioning anyone’s right to an 
opinion, but Rivendell has always been about going their own way and sticking 
to what they like. If you want a steel frame with disc brakes, there are a ton 
of choices. On the other hand, steel frames with canti/v-brake mounts are rarer 
and rarer and I, for one, am glad that Rivendell still makes them. Moreover, 
Grant is interested in general riding, not bombing down super gnarly trails, 
and for that purpose, rim brakes seem like a good choice. 

As I wrote, however, I will check out the disc brakes mentioned and maybe I 
will become a convert. I have been wrong about a lot of stuff. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: 2 Gus Boots For Sale on Riv Site

[Joe Bernard]

To be clear I would probably ride and love the GBW as is, I'm not particularly 
gung ho for huge tires and all that. I just don't think there's a lot of buyers 
out there like me, and the "like me's" probably already own a rim brake Riv 
that works in the dirt. Like my Atlantis.  

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[RBW] Re: Friction down tube shifters

[PaulS]

Thanks for that.  I will look into those as well.  I am currently 
researching info to see if old Campagnolo DT shifters will work.  I'm 
getting mixed info.  Those Dia Compe's look pretty cool, too.

On Wednesday, March 27, 2019 at 8:54:48 AM UTC-6, eddietheflay wrote:
>
> not a ton of time on the ones I recently installed, but so far smooth and 
> steady:
>
> http://www.diacompe.com.tw/product/ene-w-shift-lever/
>
> On Monday, March 25, 2019 at 1:08:06 PM UTC-7, PaulS wrote:
>>
>> I am looking for a set of downtube shifters for my Hunq. Mated to a 
>> 3x9-sp Mountain drive train (in case they are both index and friction). 
>> What’s a decent set? 
>>
>> I’ve had Riv Silver in the past. However, I could not get the shifter to 
>> stay tight and in gear. I really had to crank on the wing nut to keep it 
>> from loosening up. I even contacted Riv and all they suggested was getting 
>> some Nord-lock washers. Which I had a hard time finding them in the right 
>> size and gave up. 
>>
>> Any other suggestions?   
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: 2 Gus Boots For Sale on Riv Site

[Mike Williams]

If you REALLY want disc brakes on a Riv frame( GBW)   I’d say have some disc 
mounts put on, that’s what I did on my Atlantis and now Joe App.   I had a 
brace put in the rear to triangulate the chainstay/ seatstay,  make it 
stronger.   It does open up some rim options, especially for the GBW.   There 
are a lot of steel frames out there with disc brakes.  Some might be heavier 
gauge steel than Riv/ some lighter.   Time will tell if the braking action has 
a negative impact on the frame.  We’ll see

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> On Mar 29, 2019, at 3:06 PM, Ryan M.  wrote:
> 
> I agree with this, Christopher. I actually did chuck a set of Sram disc 
> brakes in the garbage...they were lower level, probably the Level t or 
> something. They just sucked and I could not get them to bite correctly. I 
> have Sram Guide RS on my Trek Remedy now and they have been trouble free and 
> I really dig the feel of them. Maybe Sram just didn't think too much about 
> their lower level junk. (I blame a set of XTR discs for me breaking two ribs 
> in the parking lot of my bike shop last year. lol. I just wasn't used to the 
> bike and shimanos will absolutely lock up a wheel if you aren't 
> careful...which I wasn't. I fell on my elbow and snapped a few ribs, which 
> the owner and workers just won't let me live down.) I do prefer the feel of 
> Sram brakes when they aren't the lower lever stuff though.
> 
> I think the Paul Klamper is one of the best brakes made...ever. It's 
> expensive as all Paul parts seem to be, but it is stupid easy to setup and it 
> just plain works really well especially with a Paul canti lever. It also 
> looks nice. 
> 
>> On Friday, March 29, 2019 at 1:26:17 PM UTC-5, Christopher Cote wrote:
>> Disc brakes are a mature product. Paul Klampers and Avid BB7s are 
>> bulletproof and require far less fiddling than rim brakes. As Eric said, 
>> Shimano hydros are trouble free. SRAM hydros belong in the garbage in my 
>> experience, but let's not talk about that. Disc brakes keep your braking 
>> surface and pads further out of the muck. Bent rotors are rare, but if it 
>> happens, you bolt on a new one. You can take it off if it happens way out in 
>> the boonies in order to get home. Best thing in my opinion is that discs 
>> separate tire holding and braking duties. Your rim brakes are wearing out 
>> the part that holds the tire on. Makes no sense. On the flip side, if you 
>> dent a disc brake wheel rim, or your wheel goes out of true, your brakes are 
>> unaffected.
>> If you're riding on paved or unpaved roads, rim brakes are fine. Gnarly east 
>> coast trails? Give me discs please.
>> 
>> Chris
>> 
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[RBW] Re: PSA: 2 Gus Boots For Sale on Riv Site

[Ryan M.]

I agree with this, Christopher. I actually did chuck a set of Sram disc 
brakes in the garbage...they were lower level, probably the Level t or 
something. They just sucked and I could not get them to bite correctly. I 
have Sram Guide RS on my Trek Remedy now and they have been trouble free 
and I really dig the feel of them. Maybe Sram just didn't think too much 
about their lower level junk. (I blame a set of XTR discs for me breaking 
two ribs in the parking lot of my bike shop last year. lol. I just wasn't 
used to the bike and shimanos will absolutely lock up a wheel if you aren't 
careful...which I wasn't. I fell on my elbow and snapped a few ribs, which 
the owner and workers just won't let me live down.) I do prefer the feel of 
Sram brakes when they aren't the lower lever stuff though. 

I think the Paul Klamper is one of the best brakes made...ever. It's 
expensive as all Paul parts seem to be, but it is stupid easy to setup and 
it just plain works really well especially with a Paul canti lever. It also 
looks nice. 

On Friday, March 29, 2019 at 1:26:17 PM UTC-5, Christopher Cote wrote:

> Disc brakes are a mature product. Paul Klampers and Avid BB7s are 
> bulletproof and require far less fiddling than rim brakes. As Eric said, 
> Shimano hydros are trouble free. SRAM hydros belong in the garbage in my 
> experience, but let's not talk about that. Disc brakes keep your braking 
> surface and pads further out of the muck. Bent rotors are rare, but if it 
> happens, you bolt on a new one. You can take it off if it happens way out 
> in the boonies in order to get home. Best thing in my opinion is that discs 
> separate tire holding and braking duties. Your rim brakes are wearing out 
> the part that holds the tire on. Makes no sense. On the flip side, if you 
> dent a disc brake wheel rim, or your wheel goes out of true, your brakes 
> are unaffected.
>
> If you're riding on paved or unpaved roads, rim brakes are fine. Gnarly 
> east coast trails? Give me discs please.
>
> Chris
>
>

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[RBW] Re: PSA: 2 Gus Boots For Sale on Riv Site

[Joe Bernard]

He does not like them, he does not believe in them. Which is fine as an opinion 
- anybody can like or dislike anything they want - but my opinion is geared 
towards marketing. Riv needs this bike to sell and I think rim brakes are an 
impediment to that goal. So there ya go. 

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[RBW] Best smallish rear rack for long chainstay models?

[Jeremy Till]

What kind of bags are you thinking about using? Kind of determines which rack 
is best. I've had my Nitto Big Back rack on my Clem to carry panniers and it 
worked well. I'd say it's a touch flexier than the same rack on a shorter chain 
stay bike (like my Long Haul Trucker) because the upper stays are more extended 
to reach the upper mounts on the seat stays. Most of the long chain stay models 
have a second set of M6 eyelets mounted a few cm up from the dropouts which 
helps center the load within the wheelbase more.

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[RBW] RBW XXV WHO’S COMING

[Justin August]

RIV 25th ANNIVERSARY WHO'S COMING
http://rbwxxv.eventbrite.com



Justin

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[RBW] Re: PSA: 2 Gus Boots For Sale on Riv Site

[S]

Interesting. I will look into the brakes you mention. Maybe a disc bike is in 
my future. That said, GP must have good reasons not to use disc brakes. He has 
thought longer and more deeply about these issues than me or probably almost 
anyone. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Rosco Bubbe - Bronze

[George Rosselle]

I can't believe you haven't sold this bike yet. How often do you have the 
opportunity to buy a Radavist featured bike at this price? I love my Rosco, 
I think it rides better than my first generation Atlantis did. 



On Friday, March 29, 2019 at 1:26:26 PM UTC-4, It's me Ryan wrote:
>
> A quick bump to try it one more time. Thanks
>
>
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[RBW] Re: PSA: 2 Gus Boots For Sale on Riv Site

[Christopher Cote]

Disc brakes are a mature product. Paul Klampers and Avid BB7s are bulletproof 
and require far less fiddling than rim brakes. As Eric said, Shimano hydros are 
trouble free. SRAM hydros belong in the garbage in my experience, but let's not 
talk about that. Disc brakes keep your braking surface and pads further out of 
the muck. Bent rotors are rare, but if it happens, you bolt on a new one. You 
can take it off if it happens way out in the boonies in order to get home. Best 
thing in my opinion is that discs separate tire holding and braking duties. 
Your rim brakes are wearing out the part that holds the tire on. Makes no 
sense. On the flip side, if you dent a disc brake wheel rim, or your wheel goes 
out of true, your brakes are unaffected.

If you're riding on paved or unpaved roads, rim brakes are fine. Gnarly east 
coast trails? Give me discs please.

Chris

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[RBW] Re: PSA: 2 Gus Boots For Sale on Riv Site

[George Rosselle]

I did a gravel road ride in north GA yesterday on my fully rigid Fat Chance 
with V-brakes (it has a boscomoose bar so a slight Riv Connection) and 2.2 
tires. I was not that fast, particularly downhill, but I found myself 
wishing for disc brakes a few times. And the v-brakes are new, so pads were 
not the issue. Using proper v-brake levers (XTR) I had to squeeze a bit 
harder than my cable disc brake Jones or hydro Santa Cruz. My hand strength 
is not what it was when I way younger, and maybe a touch of arthritis so a 
little pain when squeezing hard. 

I suspect when you run 2.8" to 3" wide tires you will not notice very much 
the flexiness, or lack of, of the fork. I would have ridden the Jones 
yesterday but the Fat frame and wheels are lighter. I find lighter wheels 
are easier climbing for me. Short climbs are no big deal, but long climbs 
in north GA are another story.

On Friday, March 29, 2019 at 2:02:23 PM UTC-4, Jonathan D. wrote:
>
> I would agree with Eric on the Jones which seems like the closest to a 
> disc brake Riv mountain bike you can get. I have two sets of wheels and 
> running 2.25 G-ones on the bike and it is actually one of my faster rides. 
>
> I like the GBW but that lack of rimmoptiobs for fat tires seem like
> an issue and will limit sales. I also think calling it a hillybike will 
> limit sales and undersell what it can be used for. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Friction down tube shifters

[Benz, Sunnyvale, CA]

On Thursday, March 28, 2019 at 4:31:35 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Silver/old-Suntour internals, but I seem to recall a convo stating the 
> Dia-Compes have a bigger barrel to work better with 10-speed cassettes.


Shouldn't that be 10-speed Shimano rear *derailleurs* that use more cable 
pull per derailleur displacement, and not 10-speed *cassettes* per se, 
because at least 8/9-speed Shimano derailleurs can move the entire width of 
the cassette (8, 9 and 10 being same overall width) with Silver friction 
shifters. Bigger barrels will also pull more cable per angle of rotation, 
thus reducing "sensitivity", and thus is less preferred.

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[RBW] Touch-up for the mustard/butternut color?

[Doug Van Cleve]

Howdy folks.

Is there an official or unofficial best matching touch-up for this color?
I believe it was used on the Joe Appa and Clem, not sure if there were any
others.

Thanks, Doug

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[RBW] Re: PSA: 2 Gus Boots For Sale on Riv Site

[Jonathan D.]

I would agree with Eric on the Jones which seems like the closest to a disc 
brake Riv mountain bike you can get. I have two sets of wheels and running 2.25 
G-ones on the bike and it is actually one of my faster rides. 

I like the GBW but that lack of rimmoptiobs for fat tires seem like
an issue and will limit sales. I also think calling it a hillybike will limit 
sales and undersell what it can be used for. 

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[RBW] Re: PSA: 2 Gus Boots For Sale on Riv Site

[Joe Bernard]

I like discs and v-brakes and find both (mechanical cable version) pretty 
simple to fiddle with. The issue people are getting into with rim brakes on Gus 
are tire sizes being limited. I'm sorry, but I think this is a big mistake for 
this bike: The trend with rigid trail bikes is to toss huge tires in there and 
go float over stuff. The way to free up the needed room is disc brakes. 

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[RBW] Best smallish rear rack for long chainstay models?

[Doug Van Cleve]

Howdy folks.

Despite the whole front basket thing, AFAIK GP has never really been pro
front loading.  It seems to me the long back end is perfect for a rear
rack, assuming the stays and what-not are long enough.  What rear racks
look good on these and fit well?

Thanks, Doug

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[RBW] Re: I got a MIT Atlantis

[Joe Bernard]

DHans and Roberto: Thanks, I dig it!

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[RBW] Re: I got a MIT Atlantis

[Joe Bernard]

Jesse, with the caveat that I've hardly ridden the thing at all yet so (leaving 
shortly to fix this today):

The bike came to me set up this way, it was Candice's ride, we're about the 
same height. My impression is the cockpit was arranged to be ridden mostly on 
the tops with full access to hoods, braking and shifting from there. It's very 
unusual and I never would have thought of it myself, but I'm a hoods rider 
myself so I was really drawn to the idea. There's virtually no access to the 
brakes from the drops, that seems to be a position solely for getting down out 
of the wind and cranking on the pedals. I think of it like the P Touring bars 
on Bromptons where all the controls are up top and you have an "aero" bailout 
down low. This of course could be changed by simply rotating the drops down, 
but I don't think Candice designed it for that and I'm not interested, either. 

I'll report back after I've actually ridden long enough to get sore and tired, 
and give feedback on the bar situation then. 

 

 

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[RBW] Re: PSA: 2 Gus Boots For Sale on Riv Site

[S]

I wasn’t sure about the lower top tube at first, but the more I think about it 
the more it makes sense. 

Disc brakes … I don’t know. They seem like more trouble than they are worth. 
How much stopping power do I really need? I’m not a downhill racer. And on a 
trail or mountain bike I would worry about making repairs in the field. Ten or 
fifteen miles from anywhere and I have to mess with a bent rotor or hydraulics? 
No thanks.

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[RBW] Re: PSA: 2 Gus Boots For Sale on Riv Site

[S]

I wasn’t sure about the lower top tube at first, but the more I think about it 
the more it makes sense. 

Disc brakes … I don’t know. I am sure others in this thread will set me right, 
but discs seem like more trouble than they are worth and on a trail or mountain 
bike I would worry about making repairs in the field. Ten or fifteen miles from 
anywhere and I have to mess with a bent rotor or hydraulics? No thanks. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA - 1999 Riv All Rounder

[Ryan Fleming]

Mine was painted Sherwood Forest;;it's a metallic dark green. Yours looks
like it's a metallic olive or sage green. Do you miss it at all?

On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 at 11:15, Mike Godwin  wrote:

> [image: bike0001.JPG]
> AR talk! Just wondering Ryan, is this the one you have? My old Waterford
> made AR, I think I sold it in early 2000s.
> Original build was Bullseye hubs, 600 crank with tripleizer ring, XC pro
> derailleurs and brakes, Superbe or Modolo levers, Sun Ringle skewers IIRC
> 
>
> Mike SLO CA
>
>
>
> On Thursday, March 21, 2019 at 7:50:15 AM UTC-7, Ryan Mallory Fleming
> wrote:
>
>> it's a beauty...but more like a 96 or 97. Built by Waterford. Has W
>> seat-stay attachments and Reynolds 753 w 531 fork.. I know this because I
>> own one but mine is metallic green w. cream headtube. Classic build and
>> looks like it's in nice shape
>>
>> On Saturday, 16 March 2019 09:37:59 UTC-5, Jesse wrote:
>>>
>>> I wonder precisely what color that is? It's the one.
>>>
>>> Beautiful Riv. Got a thing for the old allrounders.
>>>
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[RBW] Brake Boss Prep? (new frame)

[John H.]

Hey Gang -- I'm building up my first Rivendell (a Canti-Sam) and I hope to 
mount of set of Tektro CR720 cantilever brakes this spring. This is a brand 
new frame and the bosses (at least to me) seem quite smooth and free of 
debris and paint. 

My question to the group: Is it recommended to take a few passes at brand 
new brake bosses with a fine grit emery cloth to ensure max smoothness or 
is that overkill? This is my first rodeo setting up cantilever brakes and I 
want to make sure I get a much right as possible on the first go.

John
Cambridge, MA

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RE: [RBW] I got a MIT Atlantis

[rab9653]

Joe, that is greatness. A true  beauty

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Joe Bernard
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2019 3:56 AM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] I got a MIT Atlantis

...from James and Candice at Analog Cycles, and it's cool as a cool thing!

53cm 650B

WI Mi5 rear hub, Schmidt SON dyno front, Cliffhanger rims with excellent black 
spokes and gold nipples, Paul gold with black center skewers, Simworks Homage 
tires. 
 
Sugino cranks, XT and CX70 derailers, 12-36 9 Shimano cassette, Whipperman 
nickel chain. 

Analog (w)Right O° stem, Nitto RM-3 bar, Cane Creek levers, Shimano 9-speed 
bar-ends on IRD mounts, cool black and gold Bombshell v-brakes, stock Riv 
(can't remember) post, ti B17. 

Simworks by Honjo fenders, Nitto Mark's and R14 (?) racks, black. Herrmans 
headlight, B Secula taillight, both wired to the hub.  

It looks weirdly different from how I picture an Atlantis should look, and I 
dig the weirdness. Rides like a Riv, they all ride amazing: That thing where 
there's no acclimation, you just pedal and go. 

The cockpit is *definitely* weird and threw me off at first, but it was crazy 
comfortable on my first shortish ride. I need to drop the bars a smidge 
tomorrow, which is complicated by the wedge bolt being under the bars. Not 
awesome during the "make adjustments to the riding position" period of new bike 
ownership, but that's the only time it matters. 

I've always wanted an Atlantis and have gone through just about every other Riv 
to get here. I like it!  

Joe Bernard
Marin County CA. 

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[RBW] Re: wtb: Sugino XD2 - Wide/low double 40t x 26t (170mm)

[Eric Grim]

I just happen to have a set, new or so close as makes little difference.  
Bought them for my Atlantis frame, and put the cranks on the BB.  However 
they have never had pedals threaded into them or had a chain wrapped around 
the chainrings (My Atlantis doesn't have a rear wheel yet).  Would $73, 1/2 
the new price, plus shipping be fair?  Let me know how to contact you 
off-list.  Yrs, Eric (Spokane)

On Wednesday, March 27, 2019 at 8:03:56 AM UTC-7, Eric wrote:
>
> Looking to buy a new or used Sugino XD2 - wide/low double. 
>
> Thanks! 
>
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Re: [RBW] Bike Shop Recs DC Area

[Wilson Wilson]

Proteus Cycles. Google for history. They just moved to a new location.
Great folks who are community activist as well.

On Sunday, March 24, 2019, Jack K  wrote:

> I visited the DC area a couple of months ago and had a great time poking
> around Bikes At Vienna (http://www.bikesatvienna.com/). They specialize
> in recumbent and folding bikes, with a good selection of less common
> accessories too (Brooks saddles, dynohubs, etc...). If you have no interest
> in recumbents or folders it may not be your cup'o tea, but it was well
> worth the trip for me..
>
> Cheers,
>
> -Jack
>
> On Sunday, March 24, 2019 at 10:26:04 AM UTC-4, Dave Grossman wrote:
>>
>> I'm visiting the DC area with the family.  Any suggestions for cool
>> shops?  Also might go to Baltimore for a day.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bikelessness

[Ryan Mallory Fleming]

I agree with Roberta and Joe about calling the LBS on it. And I know, dear 
Bicycle Belle that you won't be a harpy .. You are too articulate and kind 
to be like that. And the BBITW would blush with shame..I am sure the LBS 
will do the right thing.by you as I'm sure you are a good customer. they 
would be sorry to lose. It's a crazy time for bike shops in spring

Ryan in Winnipeg
On Thursday, 28 March 2019 09:30:27 UTC-5, REC (Roberta) wrote:
>
> First, I typed this above: "Between you and me, we probably have about 1/2 
> of knowledge on the subject of bike mechanics.  " but I meant to type this: 
> "Between you and me, we probably have about 1/2 *hour* of knowledge on 
> the subject of bike mechanics. "
>
> The pictures are lovely and I'm glad you got in some riding before 
> everything broke again.  I don't recall seeing so much green around you 
> area (I guess I need to look around more, but it's such a 
> driving-to-everywhere place), but I like the way your city is planned for 
> open spaces.  I guess as independent women, even though we prefer to 
> support our LBS (and yours isn't very local), we need to know how to do 
> some on-the-spot fixing.   There are lots of videos on YouTube and I think 
> I've also viewed some on the Riv site and on the Handsome Cycles site.  
>
> I hope your bikes are doing well after some work at REI.  I hope you do 
> speak with the LBS, because they need to know if things aren't done 
> correctly.
>
> Roberta
>
> On Wednesday, March 27, 2019 at 7:06:39 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Well, where should I begin? 
>>
>> Overjoyed at the quick turnaround, I picked up my bikes on Monday. I made 
>> big plans to do a big ride into town and run every errand by bike. The ride 
>> home is ALL ascent. I had parked my vehicle with the bike rack on it in a 
>> parking lot and was making my way to it when suddenly that darn front 
>> derailleur began acting up. I fiddled with it, making it worse, until a 
>> plastic thing fell off into my hands. The little collar that holds it up 
>> against the frame had come off. The ONLY descent was into that parking lot, 
>> so I coasted to the van. I called the LBS (“Craziest thing just 
>> happened!”)and they told me to bring the bike and the pieces back. 
>>
>> Today I took the broken (again) Betz and also tossed the Clem (whose 
>> brakes needed attention) on the rack as well. The shop graciously fixed my 
>> Betz and I asked if there was time for the Clem or if I should leave it 
>> there. They fixed it on the spot. I was happy but in a hurry to get the 
>> boys form school, so I paid double what they charged for the Clem and took 
>> off. 
>>
>> Well. I got the bikes home, finally had time to inspect them, and the 
>> front brake is WAY too tight on the Clem AND THE FRONT DERAILLEUR IS NO 
>> LONGER WORKING. On the Clem. Not the Betz. And I paid double because I felt 
>> it was kind of them to fit the Clem in. 
>>
>> I know I should call. I know I should take it back, but it’s such a long 
>> drive and I think I’m just done. I called REI and will take it there 
>> instead. So bummed. Meanwhile, I’m on YouTube trying to figure out how to 
>> fix derailleur - is this the nudge I needed to get myself a bike mechanic 
>> education? 
>>
>> PS The ride I did yesterday was lovely, as evidenced by these photos; 
>> more of which can be seen on my Instagram... 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: I got a MIT Atlantis

[DHans]

Joe, that is freaking awesome! The black looks so good with the frame 
color. The flared handlebars look cool too.
Doug

On Wednesday, March 27, 2019 at 3:56:00 AM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> ...from James and Candice at Analog Cycles, and it's cool as a cool thing! 
>
> 53cm 650B 
>
> WI Mi5 rear hub, Schmidt SON dyno front, Cliffhanger rims with excellent 
> black spokes and gold nipples, Paul gold with black center skewers, 
> Simworks Homage tires. 
>   
> Sugino cranks, XT and CX70 derailers, 12-36 9 Shimano cassette, Whipperman 
> nickel chain. 
>
> Analog (w)Right O° stem, Nitto RM-3 bar, Cane Creek levers, Shimano 
> 9-speed bar-ends on IRD mounts, cool black and gold Bombshell v-brakes, 
> stock Riv (can't remember) post, ti B17. 
>
> Simworks by Honjo fenders, Nitto Mark's and R14 (?) racks, black. Herrmans 
> headlight, B Secula taillight, both wired to the hub.   
>
> It looks weirdly different from how I picture an Atlantis should look, and 
> I dig the weirdness. Rides like a Riv, they all ride amazing: That thing 
> where there's no acclimation, you just pedal and go. 
>
> The cockpit is *definitely* weird and threw me off at first, but it was 
> crazy comfortable on my first shortish ride. I need to drop the bars a 
> smidge tomorrow, which is complicated by the wedge bolt being under the 
> bars. Not awesome during the "make adjustments to the riding position" 
> period of new bike ownership, but that's the only time it matters. 
>
> I've always wanted an Atlantis and have gone through just about every 
> other Riv to get here. I like it!   
>
> Joe Bernard 
> Marin County CA. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: I got a MIT Atlantis

[Jesse]

Hey Joe. I'm a big fan of Analog's Riv builds. Yours is particularly nice.

Did you consider the Salsa Cowchipper at all? How do you like the drop 
position on the RM-3? 

I used to ride Midge bars and didn't care for the hooks being at an angle 
greater than, say, 20 degrees downward; then at which point rendered the 
hoods position mostly useless. With this style bar, it really seems like 
optimal lever set-up for hoods-centric use comes at the expense of access 
to the levers in the drops position, and vice versa. 

I think most dirt drops were designed to be run with the drop position as 
primary, so with low levers. Like how Matt Chester prescribed. Ran my 
Midges as per his suggestions and loved it, but did miss the hoods 
position, for which I kind of subbed the tops, which was fine, but not as 
ergonomically correct.


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[RBW] Re: Stockholm/Amsterdam/Copenhagen recommendations/meet-ups?

[Chris Corral]

+1 for Rijksmuseum. I also recommend hanging out at Café Mankind a few 
blocks away, just a small locals spot that wasn't crowded. That's where we 
often met up and hung out. 

If you do end up riding, heading out to the coast into Haarlem then south 
to Den Haag is beautiful, mostly sandy beachy, very reminiscent of touring 
near Monterey Bay. It is almost all flat, excellent bike paths the whole 
way. We went all the way to Rotterdam in one day, with time to spare on 
either end. Navigate with Knooppunten 
or Fietsersbond. 


Finally, DEFINITELY check out the metro station for a good example of bike 
parking facilities ;)

have fun!!!

On Tuesday, March 26, 2019 at 1:03:20 PM UTC-7, Manuel Acosta wrote:
>
> My wife and I are heading out to Stockholm/Amsterdam/Copenhagen during 
> spring break.
> Any recommendations or suggestions on things we can do? We had interest in 
> just renting bikes out and exploring. 
>
> Manny Acosta
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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Rosco Bubbe - Bronze

[It's me Ryan]

A quick bump to try it one more time. Thanks


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[RBW] Re: Stockholm/Amsterdam/Copenhagen recommendations/meet-ups?

[Emily Guise]

Oh man, that sounds like so much fun! I was in Amsterdam this past October, 
and really enjoyed visiting the countryside on a tour with We Bike Amsterdam 
. Bike rental comes with the tour. We 
took the free ferry to Amsterdam Noord from Amsterdam Centraal station, and 
then biked through the suburbs to Landsmeer and had cake. It was so 
peaceful biking by the canals, with folks fishing and boating. We stopped 
at the Krijtmolen d’Admiraal windmill, built in 1792, which is a free, 
operational windmill, and had excellent interpreters for people like me who 
want to ask a *lot *of questions. The outside was made of thatched reeds, 
which absolutely blew my mind. Apparently they have problems with folks 
pulling the reeds out for souvenirs, and it's hard to find folks who can 
re-thatch anymore. 

My favorite restaurant was Omelegg  in the city center 
at Nieuwebrugsteeg 24. As their name suggests, they do pretty much all 
omelets, and wow, they were GOOD. I live in the land of brunch (Portland) 
and I regularly want to go back and eat at Omelegg. 

Emily

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>
> My wife and I are heading out to Stockholm/Amsterdam/Copenhagen during 
> spring break.
> Any recommendations or suggestions on things we can do? We had interest in 
> just renting bikes out and exploring. 
>
> Manny Acosta
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Re: [RBW] Chocomoose on 51cm Joe Appa?

[Doug Van Cleve]

Thanks Ryan, I will check it out :^)

On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 9:53 AM Ryan M. 
wrote:

> Other recipients:
> I have a 51cm Appaloosa and a Chocomoose bar that I originally was using
> on the bike; I am not using a regular bullmoose bar on it. You can slam it
> all the way down in the steer tube. On Friday, March 29, 2019 at 8:40:59 AM
> UTC-5, Bill Lindsay
>
> I have a 51cm Appaloosa that I originally used with a Chocomoose bar
> setup. I am now using a regular bullmoose bar setup on it. You can slam
> both of those bars all the way down into the steer tube on a 51cm. They
> still have some rise. Check out my Instagram at merrill8686 for pictures of
> the original build...hell, follow me if you want. Lol. (I love Instagram).
> I have one shot that shows the saddle/seatheight pretty good.
>
>
> On Friday, March 29, 2019 at 8:40:59 AM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Email Mark at Riv. He’s certainly buillt more 51cm Appas than anyone else
>> on earth and would definitely be able to tell you if the Chocomoose stem is
>> slammable on a 51. He probably won’t be able to tell you what your final
>> saddle to bars height difference will be, but at least he can cover that
>> slam/no slam question.
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito Ca
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Re: [RBW] Chocomoose on 51cm Joe Appa?

[Ryan M.]

Other recipients: 
I have a 51cm Appaloosa and a Chocomoose bar that I originally was using on 
the bike; I am not using a regular bullmoose bar on it. You can slam it all 
the way down in the steer tube. On Friday, March 29, 2019 at 8:40:59 AM 
UTC-5, Bill Lindsay 

I have a 51cm Appaloosa that I originally used with a Chocomoose bar setup. 
I am now using a regular bullmoose bar setup on it. You can slam both of 
those bars all the way down into the steer tube on a 51cm. They still have 
some rise. Check out my Instagram at merrill8686 for pictures of the 
original build...hell, follow me if you want. Lol. (I love Instagram). I 
have one shot that shows the saddle/seatheight pretty good. 


On Friday, March 29, 2019 at 8:40:59 AM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Email Mark at Riv. He’s certainly buillt more 51cm Appas than anyone else 
> on earth and would definitely be able to tell you if the Chocomoose stem is 
> slammable on a 51. He probably won’t be able to tell you what your final 
> saddle to bars height difference will be, but at least he can cover that 
> slam/no slam question. 
>
> Bill Lindsay 
> El Cerrito Ca

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bikelessness

[George Schick]

Andy - I see your points and agree with them - to a certain extent.  Male 
or female, you'll be far better off it you can be well versed enough in all 
of the things that make a bike work, how they fit together, and what 
they're called when you take it in for repair and maintenance.  This works 
for automobiles, too.  When a mechanic or shop manager gets the impression 
that you know what you're talking about and can point to a specific 
problem, they'll be less likely to disregard your complaints and more 
likely to fix it.  And with all of the resources available on the Web 
nowadays in the form of everything from specific forums (like this one) to 
how-to YouTube videos there is no reason why anyone can't get up to speed 
easily.

Case in point: A few years ago my son and his family flew from where he 
lives in Colorado to Indianapolis to visit his mother, borrowed her car, 
and drove the couple of hundred miles up to see me in NE Illinois.  When he 
pulled into the driveway he told me that he was having a hard time with 
braking and that he noticed a high-pitched squeal coming from the engine 
compartment.  He said that his mother told him that she'd taken it in to 
the dealer numerous times to complain about the braking problem, but they 
always told her they couldn't find anything wrong.  I took a look/listen 
under the hood, saw/heard that the squeal was coming from the vacuum assist 
booster behind the brake master cylinder.  Armed with this info, I jumped 
onto the Web using search criteria containing the specific make, model, 
year, and symptoms of the car and within ten minutes I found a service 
bulletin explaining that one of the manufacturer's suppliers, the one who 
made the brake booster, had a known issue with a tear that develops in the 
rubber diaphragm inside the booster causing the squeal and difficult 
braking.  Printed service bulletin in hand, I shipped him off to the 
nearest dealer and by the end of the day it had been replaced and the car 
was braking normally.

Bicycles may be less complicated than automobiles, but the customer-LBS 
interactions are similar.  One can find plenty of videos showing how to 
diagnose problems and conduct proper repairs.  Park Tool Co. has probably 
one of the most comprehensive websites with plenty of videos showing how to 
use their products to maintain and/or repair bikes.  Learn to speak the 
wrench's language and demonstrate to him that you know what your talking 
about and you'll be richer for it. 

On Friday, March 29, 2019 at 8:47:05 AM UTC-5, ascpgh wrote:
>
> I was about to say announcements for bike maintenance clinics, for women 
> hopefully.
>
> Men address problems differently and behave differently when problem 
> solving in an all male setting. Having taught those clinics I can say that 
> an audience of all women, they get the key points better, faster, with 
> quicker comprehension than in mixed clinics.
>
> That same difference creeps into service departments and interpretation of 
> issues in need of repair unfortunately (I see the same in diagnostic 
> approach at work and am stunned that such gender related approaches got 
> through all the classroom training, clinical experience and practice).
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Chocomoose on 51cm Joe Appa?

[Ryan M.]

I have a 51cm Appaloosa and a Chocomoose bar that I originally was using on 
the bike; I am not using a regular bullmoose bar on it. You can slam it all 
the way down in the steer tube. 

On Friday, March 29, 2019 at 8:40:59 AM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Email Mark at Riv. He’s certainly buillt more 51cm Appas than anyone else 
> on earth and would definitely be able to tell you if the Chocomoose stem is 
> slammable on a 51. He probably won’t be able to tell you what your final 
> saddle to bars height difference will be, but at least he can cover that 
> slam/no slam question. 
>
> Bill Lindsay 
> El Cerrito Ca

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[RBW] Re: PSA: 2 Gus Boots For Sale on Riv Site

[Ryan M.]

I actually really like the swoopy tube and know I will dig the additional 
standover...I find lower standover to be important on a trail bike since 
I'm constantly stopping to dismount. 

Not knowing anything about the ability to turn the bike around twists, 
trees and swoops on the trail (my trails are twisty with steep pitches and 
a ton of tight trees), about the only thing I don't like on the gus is the 
brakes. 

On Friday, March 29, 2019 at 10:30:59 AM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:

> Chris, I'd straighten out that toptube and put discs on the GBW, too, but 
> it does indeed have a threadless steerer.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: 2 Gus Boots For Sale on Riv Site

[Ian A]

Congratulations Deacon! 

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Re: [RBW] PSA: 2 Gus Boots For Sale on Riv Site

[Eric Daume]

I own a Jones LWB, and a Clem, and I have to say the Jones rides better
pretty much everywhere.  It's MUCH more confidence inspiring off road--the
super long rake of the fork puts the front wheel way out in front of you,
and the plus tires are fabulous. But surprisingly, it's at least as fun as
the Clem on road. That extra rake gives it reasonably quick handling. The
Jones is surprisingly lively for a mountain bike with 3" tires. Hydraulic
disc brakes aren't so hard to work on (if they're Shimano), and are my
favorite brakes for feeling, power, modulation, and easy wheel removal. The
Jones is probably more comfortable than the Clem, though both score well
here. And it has every braze on I could reasonably ask for, except a
kickstand plate. The Clem wins there.

The Clem is a great bike, but if I had to keep one, it's the Jones, no
question.

Eric

On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 11:20 AM Christopher Cote <
christopherjamesc...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I can't believe that the medium GBW hasn't sold yet.
>
> Count me among the old men shouting at clouds that it should have disc
> brakes. I get why it doesn't, but the one and only one benefit of rim
> brakes on a fat-tired, off-road focused bike is far outweighed by the
> benefits of discs.
>
> I wish there was a bike with the functional elements that Riv espouses,
> such as high bars, long chainstays, slack STA, and that trademark Rivendell
> ride quality, without the aesthetic elements like swoopy tubing, lugs with
> hearts, threaded steerers, etc. And disc brakes, of course. The Jones bikes
> are close, and I hope to own one someday soon, but it's not going to ride
> like a Rivendell.
>
> Chris
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[RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[M G]

Chains removed for waxing...

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[RBW] PSA: 2 Gus Boots For Sale on Riv Site

[Christopher Cote]

Good point, I forgot about that. We're on the same wavelength regarding the 
rest.

Chris

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[RBW] PSA: 2 Gus Boots For Sale on Riv Site

[Joe Bernard]

Chris, I'd straighten out that toptube and put discs on the GBW, too, but it 
does indeed have a threadless steerer.  

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[RBW] PSA: 2 Gus Boots For Sale on Riv Site

[Christopher Cote]

I can't believe that the medium GBW hasn't sold yet.

Count me among the old men shouting at clouds that it should have disc brakes. 
I get why it doesn't, but the one and only one benefit of rim brakes on a 
fat-tired, off-road focused bike is far outweighed by the benefits of discs.

I wish there was a bike with the functional elements that Riv espouses, such as 
high bars, long chainstays, slack STA, and that trademark Rivendell ride 
quality, without the aesthetic elements like swoopy tubing, lugs with hearts, 
threaded steerers, etc. And disc brakes, of course. The Jones bikes are close, 
and I hope to own one someday soon, but it's not going to ride like a Rivendell.

Chris

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Re: [RBW] Chocomoose on 51cm Joe Appa?

[Doug Van Cleve]

Thanks Bill :^)

On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 6:41 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Email Mark at Riv. He’s certainly buillt more 51cm Appas than anyone else
> on earth and would definitely be able to tell you if the Chocomoose stem is
> slammable on a 51. He probably won’t be able to tell you what your final
> saddle to bars height difference will be, but at least he can cover that
> slam/no slam question.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito Ca
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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: 2 Gus Boots For Sale on Riv Site

[PaulS]

I would think wide rim-brake wheels period, is a sub of a sub market.  
Given the choice, I would lean towards wider.  It would give those v-brake 
arms better tire clearance as well.  But while we're wishing upon a falling 
star, just give us both 30 and 35mm, Rivendell. 

On Friday, March 29, 2019 at 3:47:37 AM UTC-6, Ed Carolipio wrote:

> The market for a 35mm ID rim with a brake track is tiny - can't think of 
> any other rim brake plus bikes - but there might be interest in a 28-30mm 
> ID one. That rim flattens out 55mm tires and matches up well with a 60mm 
> tire - which is Clem, fenderless Joe, and old school MTB territory. 
> (fAtlantis too?)
>
> I don't want to re-litigate the disc vs rim thing. Let me just say I 
> understand now the decision to go with rim brakes on the GBW. The frame has 
> ride characteristics that's waaay different than the disc brake equipped 
> rigid MTBs I've ridden, and I'm convinced at least some of that comes from 
> designing a mass produced frame to withstand the stresses of a rim brake 
> instead a disc one.
>
> -Ed C.
>
> On Thursday, March 28, 2019 at 8:37:57 PM UTC-7, PaulS wrote:
>>
>> For this type of a bike, I’m fine with the rim brakes. There are plenty 
>> of disc 27.5 plus bikes out there. Ogre, ECR, Jones, Tumbleweed, Crust, 
>> etc. 
>>
>> What Riv NEEDS to do is come out with some 30-35mm ID rims. Maybe 
>> collaborate with Velocity. 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bikelessness

[ascpgh]

I was about to say announcements for bike maintenance clinics, for women 
hopefully.

Men address problems differently and behave differently when problem solving in 
an all male setting. Having taught those clinics I can say that an audience of 
all women, they get the key points better, faster, with quicker comprehension 
than in mixed clinics.

That same difference creeps into service departments and interpretation of 
issues in need of repair unfortunately (I see the same in diagnostic approach 
at work and am stunned that such gender related approaches got through all the 
classroom training, clinical experience and practice).

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh 

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Re: [RBW] Chocomoose on 51cm Joe Appa?

[Bill Lindsay]

Email Mark at Riv. He’s certainly buillt more 51cm Appas than anyone else on 
earth and would definitely be able to tell you if the Chocomoose stem is 
slammable on a 51. He probably won’t be able to tell you what your final saddle 
to bars height difference will be, but at least he can cover that slam/no slam 
question. 

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito Ca

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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: 2 Gus Boots For Sale on Riv Site

[George Rosselle]

Is anyone familiar with this rim? A 30mm internal width and can be used 
with rim brakes according to their website:

https://www.halowheels.com/shop/components/sas-27-5-rim/







On Friday, March 29, 2019 at 5:47:37 AM UTC-4, Ed Carolipio wrote:
>
> The market for a 35mm ID rim with a brake track is tiny - can't think of 
> any other rim brake plus bikes - but there might be interest in a 28-30mm 
> ID one. That rim flattens out 55mm tires and matches up well with a 60mm 
> tire - which is Clem, fenderless Joe, and old school MTB territory. 
> (fAtlantis too?)
>
> I don't want to re-litigate the disc vs rim thing. Let me just say I 
> understand now the decision to go with rim brakes on the GBW. The frame has 
> ride characteristics that's waaay different than the disc brake equipped 
> rigid MTBs I've ridden, and I'm convinced at least some of that comes from 
> designing a mass produced frame to withstand the stresses of a rim brake 
> instead a disc one.
>
> -Ed C.
>
> On Thursday, March 28, 2019 at 8:37:57 PM UTC-7, PaulS wrote:
>>
>> For this type of a bike, I’m fine with the rim brakes. There are plenty 
>> of disc 27.5 plus bikes out there. Ogre, ECR, Jones, Tumbleweed, Crust, 
>> etc. 
>>
>> What Riv NEEDS to do is come out with some 30-35mm ID rims. Maybe 
>> collaborate with Velocity. 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: 2 Gus Boots For Sale on Riv Site

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Aye, Ian, I am in that odd, exciting, antsy, eager, anticipitory space of 
owning and awaiting. Grin. Proud? Nae. I hope not. I don’t want to commit a 
deadly sin. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: 2 Gus Boots For Sale on Riv Site

[Ed Carolipio]

The market for a 35mm ID rim with a brake track is tiny - can't think of 
any other rim brake plus bikes - but there might be interest in a 28-30mm 
ID one. That rim flattens out 55mm tires and matches up well with a 60mm 
tire - which is Clem, fenderless Joe, and old school MTB territory. 
(fAtlantis too?)

I don't want to re-litigate the disc vs rim thing. Let me just say I 
understand now the decision to go with rim brakes on the GBW. The frame has 
ride characteristics that's waaay different than the disc brake equipped 
rigid MTBs I've ridden, and I'm convinced at least some of that comes from 
designing a mass produced frame to withstand the stresses of a rim brake 
instead a disc one.

-Ed C.

On Thursday, March 28, 2019 at 8:37:57 PM UTC-7, PaulS wrote:
>
> For this type of a bike, I’m fine with the rim brakes. There are plenty of 
> disc 27.5 plus bikes out there. Ogre, ECR, Jones, Tumbleweed, Crust, etc. 
>
> What Riv NEEDS to do is come out with some 30-35mm ID rims. Maybe 
> collaborate with Velocity. 

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