Re: [sqlite] "Responsive" website revamp at www.sqlite.org

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android From:"Scott Robison" <sc...@casaderobison.com> Date:Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 1:16 PM Subject:Re: [sqlite] "Responsive" website revamp at www.sqlite.org Lamding page looks fine on my Galaxy Note 4 phone and cheap Amazon Fire tablet, b

Re: [sqlite] "Responsive" website revamp at www.sqlite.org

On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 10:55 PM, Richard Hipp wrote: > Most of the world views the internet on their phone now, I am told, > and websites are suppose to be "responsive", Most of the changes work well as far as I've seen, but I have one problem. The page

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I for one block all Google Analytics ... > -Original Message- > From: sqlite-users [mailto:sqlite-users-boun...@mailinglists.sqlite.org] > On Behalf Of Mohit Sindhwani > Sent: Thursday, 22 September, 2016 10:03 > To: SQLite mailing list > Subject: Re: [sqlite] "Res

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Hi Richard, On 6/9/2016 8:26 PM, Richard Hipp wrote: How do I tell? The website saw 2748 distinct UserAgent strings within just the past 24 hours (a holiday in the USA, FWIW). How do I tell which of those are bots, mobile devices, and/or desktops? I forget how the SQLite3 website is

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Hi Stephan, On 6/9/2016 4:35 PM, Stephan Beal wrote: On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 10:30 AM, Eric Grange wrote: A counter-opinion, though apparently in the small minority: i _absolutely despise_ fixed-width web site layouts. Just to clarify, this is not fixed width, but limited

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I knew I had done this before. I don't know if this is still relevant. Tested in FF38. I'm old skool, don't use CSS all that much, and I don't even know if this is a CSS2 or 3 thing. I typically do back end code, I'm no where near a UI designer or artist. When I do have to make a web UI, I

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> On 6 Sep 2016, at 10:19, Stephan Beal wrote: > > A counter-opinion, though apparently in the small minority: i _absolutely > despise_ fixed-width web site layouts. +1, including layouts with fixed maximum width. ___

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sqlite] "Responsive" website revamp at www.sqlite.org Makes perfect sense. Thanks. Chris On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 12:26 PM, Richard Hipp <d...@sqlite.org> wrote: > On 9/6/16, Chris Locke <ch...@chrisjlocke.co.uk> wrote: > > When reducing the size of th

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Makes perfect sense. Thanks. Chris On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 12:26 PM, Richard Hipp wrote: > On 9/6/16, Chris Locke wrote: > > When reducing the size of the browser (on Chrome desktop at least) the > '*** > > DRAFT ***' tag disappears. Rather than

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On Sep 7, 2016, at 11:02 AM, Richard Hipp wrote: > > On 9/7/16, dmp wrote: > >> The draft site looks and works fine, is fast for loads, doesn't >> seem to require scripting, GOOD! > > Sorry to disappoint, but some pages (ex: >

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On 9/7/16, dmp wrote: > The draft site looks and works fine, is fast for loads, doesn't > seem to require scripting, GOOD! > Sorry to disappoint, but some pages (ex: https://www.sqlite.org/draft/c3ref/funclist.html) use JS to split long lists into multiple

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I'm not interested in mobile browsing, just that the site is still acceptable after changes for desktop. I use unconventional browsers included one of my own design. The draft site looks and works fine, is fast for loads, doesn't seem to require scripting, GOOD! danap.

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On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 10:55 PM, Richard Hipp wrote: > Most of the world views the internet on their phone now, I am told, > and websites are suppose to be "responsive", meaning that they > reformat themselves to be attractive and useful for the majority who > view them through

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I saw no page content below "Documents By Category". If I rotated it to landscape the content was there, but it didn't render. I'll be able to go more in depth later, not at home with the tablet at the moment. On Sep 6, 2016 12:37 PM, "Richard Hipp" wrote: > On 9/6/16, Scott

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From a quick skim, looks pretty good on an original Samsung Note (both landscape and portrait). Kudos for keeping code-blocks from wrapping. If I had to have a minor nitpick, the text goes right up to the left and right edges of the screen: a couple of pixels of margin -- especially on the left

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On 9/6/16, Scott Robison wrote: > Documents by category doesn't like > portrait mode on my tablet (at least). What's it doing wrong? -- D. Richard Hipp d...@sqlite.org ___ sqlite-users mailing list

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Lamding page looks fine on my Galaxy Note 4 phone and cheap Amazon Fire tablet, both landscape and portrait. Documents by category doesn't like portrait mode on my tablet (at least). On Sep 6, 2016 8:38 AM, "Eric Kestler" wrote: > Looks quite good and is very readable on my

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Looks quite good and is very readable on my iPhone 6s and iPad Mini 4, both portrait and landscape modes. ..Eric __ Plan A is always more effective when the device you are working on understands that Plan B involves either a large hammer or

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On 6 Sep 2016, at 1:03pm, Nelson, Erik - 2 wrote: > What percentage of sqlite.org hits are mobile browsers? I agree there's > nothing of use to a mobile device on the download page, and it seems like > mobile devices (at least ones with small screens) are

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On 9/6/16, Richard Hipp wrote: > On 9/6/16, Nelson, Erik - 2 wrote: >> >> What percentage of sqlite.org hits are mobile browsers? > > Rough breakdown: 4% mobile, 6% bots, 90% desktop. Emphasis on *rough*. When I compute the number of bots

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I'm not aware of any log files that record screen size. Screen size works well at render time using JavaScript (how Bootstrap etc work I believe), but for this sort of post-event analysis, user-agent is pretty much the only information there is to work with - with the caveat that as Stephen

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That seems to be the way to do it these days. I think generally accepted trying to detect browsers doesn’t work. BTW have you looked at http://www.cascade-framework.com/ No affiliation and I thought it might tickle people as the strapline is “putting the c

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On 9/6/16, Nelson, Erik - 2 wrote: > > What percentage of sqlite.org hits are mobile browsers? Rough breakdown: 4% mobile, 6% bots, 90% desktop. -- D. Richard Hipp d...@sqlite.org ___ sqlite-users mailing list

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On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 2:43 PM, Marco Bambini wrote: > You could just filter by screen size instead of user agent. > My 27" monitor has fewer pixels than many modern 5" to 6" QHD phones and phablets. It's the DPI that counts most, and you can't get the know it apparently [1].

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You could just filter by screen size instead of user agent. -- Marco Bambini http://www.sqlabs.com http://twitter.com/sqlabs http://instagram.com/sqlabs > On 06 Sep 2016, at 14:26, Richard Hipp wrote: > > On 9/6/16, Nelson, Erik - 2 wrote: >>

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On 9/6/16, OBones wrote: > Richard Hipp wrote: >> On 9/6/16, Chris Locke wrote: >>> Additionally, on the menu, the 'Download' option is not visible at all. >>> >> By design. There is nothing on the Download page that is useful to a >> mobile device. So

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This page may have the solution: http://detectmobilebrowsers.com/ There are a bunch of scripts in different languages to detect if the user is on a mobile or not using some absurdly complicated RegExps. I've not tried them myself, but they look like they do the right kind of thing. On Tue,

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On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 2:26 PM, Richard Hipp wrote: > On 9/6/16, Nelson, Erik - 2 wrote: > > > > What percentage of sqlite.org hits are mobile browsers? > > How do I tell? > > The website saw 2748 distinct UserAgent strings within just the past

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On 9/6/16, Nelson, Erik - 2 wrote: > > What percentage of sqlite.org hits are mobile browsers? How do I tell? The website saw 2748 distinct UserAgent strings within just the past 24 hours (a holiday in the USA, FWIW). How do I tell which of those are bots,

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Richard Hipp wrote: On 9/6/16, Chris Locke wrote: Additionally, on the menu, the 'Download' option is not visible at all. By design. There is nothing on the Download page that is useful to a mobile device. So links to that page are omitted on mobile, to save

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Richard Hipp wrote on Tuesday, September 06, 2016 7:26 AM >There is nothing on the Download page that is useful to a mobile device. >So links to that page are omitted on mobile, to save precious pixels. What percentage of sqlite.org hits are mobile browsers? I agree there's nothing of use to a

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On 9/6/16, Chris Locke wrote: > When reducing the size of the browser (on Chrome desktop at least) the '*** > DRAFT ***' tag disappears. Rather than disappears, maybe this should be > reduced in size and always be visible? > Edit: Noticed its right at the bottom of the

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SQLite mailing list <sqlite-users@mailinglists.sqlite.org> > Subject: Re: [sqlite] "Responsive" website revamp at www.sqlite.org > > On 2016-09-05 1:55 PM, Richard Hipp wrote: > > Most of the world views the internet on their phone now, I am told, > > and websites are

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On 06 Sep 2016 at 11:02, Eric Grange wrote: > Well, I guess I am in the minority using a tabbed browser then :) > > In tabbed browsers, all browser tabs share the same window width, and it is > quite impractical to resize the browser every time you switch a tab. Yes, I do the

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Well, I guess I am in the minority using a tabbed browser then :) In tabbed browsers, all browser tabs share the same window width, and it is quite impractical to resize the browser every time you switch a tab. On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 11:06 AM, R Smith wrote: > > > On

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On 2016/09/06 10:19 AM, Stephan Beal wrote: On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 10:15 AM, Eric Grange wrote: However, while you are at it, an improvement for the website when browsed from a computer would be to limit the max width of the pages, especially for the documentation pages.

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> Le 6 sept. 2016 à 10:19, Stephan Beal a écrit : > >> However, while you are at it, an improvement for the website when browsed >> from a computer would be to limit the max width of the pages, especially >> for the documentation pages. Currently if you have a big screen

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On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 10:30 AM, Eric Grange wrote: > > A counter-opinion, though apparently in the small minority: i _absolutely > > despise_ fixed-width web site layouts. > > Just to clarify, this is not fixed width, but limited max width, ie. it > only kicks in when the

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> A counter-opinion, though apparently in the small minority: i _absolutely > despise_ fixed-width web site layouts. Just to clarify, this is not fixed width, but limited max width, ie. it only kicks in when the browser window is very large. The site is fluid (like now) at smaller widths. On

Re: [sqlite] "Responsive" website revamp at www.sqlite.org

On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 10:15 AM, Eric Grange wrote: > However, while you are at it, an improvement for the website when browsed > from a computer would be to limit the max width of the pages, especially > for the documentation pages. Currently if you have a big screen the lines

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Seems to be fine from here, and probably not too critical, as not all websites have a purpose on mobile devices. However, while you are at it, an improvement for the website when browsed from a computer would be to limit the max width of the pages, especially for the documentation pages.

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I have my ancient Galaxy S (Original ) Android hanging here on my desk, and I pulled up the draft page, and it looks good. With respect, Dr. Hipp, I really do hope you weren't REALLY pressured into this (And the analogy between the

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At first blush, looks good on my Zenfone 2 under android 5.0 with chrome and on laptop with Windoze 10 and chrome. In the interest of "dotting all the i's" I noted a misspelling in the initial sentence: "SQLite is a high-reliablity," for reliability.

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...@mailinglists.sqlite.org] On Behalf Of Darren Duncan Sent: Monday, 5 September, 2016 16:28 To: SQLite mailing list <sqlite-users@mailinglists.sqlite.org> Subject: Re: [sqlite] "Responsive" website revamp at www.sqlite.org On 2016-09-05 1:55 PM, Richard Hipp wrote: > Most of the world

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For my current website, I tested various techniques so that my website renders properly on a phone and a large desktop monitor. Most smart phones have a landscape resolution of at least 1024 pixels, most newer phones are much higher. I found that 950 pixel fixed centered width for a website

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On 2016-09-05 1:55 PM, Richard Hipp wrote: Most of the world views the internet on their phone now, I am told, and websites are suppose to be "responsive", meaning that they reformat themselves to be attractive and useful for the majority who view them through a 320x480 pixel soda-straw. In an

[sqlite] "Responsive" website revamp at www.sqlite.org

Most of the world views the internet on their phone now, I am told, and websites are suppose to be "responsive", meaning that they reformat themselves to be attractive and useful for the majority who view them through a 320x480 pixel soda-straw. In an effort to conform to this trend, I have made