Can ping gateway from Catalyst RSM, but can't ping RSM from [7:16775]

2001-08-21 Thread Sean Knox

Hello all, I'm having some trouble with a Route Switch Module on a Catalyst
5500. I have set up an IP on the vlan1 interface on the RSM. On the same
subnet, I am able ping hosts from the RSM, but I cannot ping the RSM
interface from the gateway, or any other hosts for that matter. Can any
help?

My config:
Building configuration...

Current configuration:
!
version 11.2
no service udp-small-servers
no service tcp-small-servers
!
hostname Router
!
boot config slot0:config
!
no ip domain-lookup
!
interface Vlan1
 ip address 10.10.190.198 255.255.255.0
!
ip default-gateway 10.10.190.1
ip classless
!
line con 0
line aux 0
line vty 0 4
 logging synchronous
 login
!
end




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RE: Help! Locked out of my 7513 Router! [7:16769]

2001-08-21 Thread Baker, Jason

i Had this happen to me. 

My symptoms were you could execute the break sequence but the rest of the
keyboard is unresponsive.
whether trying to break into the router or normal console as i could see the
boot up sequence when reset.

This happened with  2 of my routers. 

So i used another computer and was able to console in with no problems.

i put it down to my serial ports or UARTS on the serial ports of the PC had
gone
on the blink.

Just something weird to note for further use.



> -Original Message-
> From: Richard Chang [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, 22 August 2001 2:58 pm
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  Help! Locked out of my 7513 Router! [7:16769]
> 
> Dear Cisco Groupstudy Person:
>   I locked myself out of my Cisco 7513 router somehow.My Keyboard has no
> effect. I'm not sure if this is the reason, but my most recent
> configuration
> change was to fill the No. 4 slot, previously blank, with a Fast Ethernet
> Card.
>   Everytime I power cycle the router, it comes up again, goes through the
> boot sequence, and then freezes with a string of messages concerning the
> status of FE 3/0 and FE 4/0, first stating that they are up and then
> stating
> they are down.
>   Even the password recovery technique where one uses the "Break" or "^["
> Keys and then resets the Config Register can't be used. For some reason,
> the
> keyboard won't even work; it has no effect in this situation suddenly!!.
>   I have carefully checked my Hyperterminal settings of 9600 baud ; Data
> bits=8 Parity=none stop bits=2 Flowcontrol=none
>   Anybody have any idea why my keyboard is "dead" I am working with Vlan
> configurations on this Router. Please help! Thank you.




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Partner Specialization exams - how tough? [7:16773]

2001-08-21 Thread Torren Craigie-Manson

Hi all,

Can anyone provide feedback on the partner specialization exams? In
particular, I'm interested in the Field Engineer and Systems Engineer exam
for wireless LANs. On the scale of "regurgitate these marketing factoids to
win a free t-shirt" to "CCNP", how tough is this guy? Any idea of how many
questions and how much time is allowed?

Cheers,
Torren




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RE: Help! Locked out of my 7513 Router! [7:16769]

2001-08-21 Thread Kim Edward B

-If you think the config change made the mess, try to boot with slot 4
removed.

-Also, are you using the right break key for your hyperterminal? (here is
the link for the break key sequence.
http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/701/61.html
)

*** I thought the correct stop bit was 1 instead of 2.


9600 baud rate
No parity
8 data bits
1 stop bit ( you said yours is set at 2)
No flow control

-If your keyboard is not working at all, your register might have been
changed.
Can you telnet in or use your AUX port?
Let me know if these helps.

Ed

CCNP, CCDP

-Original Message-
From: Richard Chang [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 12:58 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Help! Locked out of my 7513 Router! [7:16769]


Dear Cisco Groupstudy Person:
  I locked myself out of my Cisco 7513 router somehow.My Keyboard has no
effect. I'm not sure if this is the reason, but my most recent configuration
change was to fill the No. 4 slot, previously blank, with a Fast Ethernet
Card.
  Everytime I power cycle the router, it comes up again, goes through the
boot sequence, and then freezes with a string of messages concerning the
status of FE 3/0 and FE 4/0, first stating that they are up and then stating
they are down.
  Even the password recovery technique where one uses the "Break" or "^["
Keys and then resets the Config Register can't be used. For some reason, the
keyboard won't even work; it has no effect in this situation suddenly!!.
  I have carefully checked my Hyperterminal settings of 9600 baud ; Data
bits=8 Parity=none stop bits=2 Flowcontrol=none
  Anybody have any idea why my keyboard is "dead" I am working with Vlan
configurations on this Router. Please help! Thank you.
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Re: CHALLENGE PROBLEM (was Re: For FR Grus.... [7:16635]) [7:16771]

2001-08-21 Thread Brian

yes tony thats it :)


On Wed, 22 Aug 2001, Tony Medeiros wrote:

> Sounds like Spanning tree is screwing it up.  Since this is a multipoint
> interface. It think spanning tree will consider it as one port.  Any packet
> that comes in the router and is destined for the same subnet  doesn't hit
> the BVI and is bridged.
>
> 1st rule of bridge forwarding :
> If the destination MAC address is unknown, forward out all ports except the
> ingress port.  Since all the packets come in the same port as far a
spanning
> tree is concerned, unknown or ANY packets for that matter,  will not be set
> out the same port.   Packets on different subnets hit the BVI and are
routed
> and so will bypass the bridging rule.
>
> A bridge will NEVER forward a frame out the same port in came it.
>
> Solution:
> Set up P to P subinterfaces.  These should be treated by bridge as
different
> ports and frames will get forwarded.
>
> IGRP and split horizon have nothing to do with it.
>
> At least I think this is the problem :)
>
> Tony M
> #6172
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "suaveguru"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 7:55 PM
> Subject: RE: CHALLENGE PROBLEM (was Re: For FR Grus [7:16635])
[7:16755]
>
>
> > is it something to do with using classless rather than
> > classful routing protocols?
> >
> >
> > regards,
> > suaveguru
> > --- Patrick Ramsey
> > wrote:
> > > How about get rid of igrp and configure ospf in nbma
> > > mode?  :)
> > >
> > > -Patrick
> > >
> > > >>> "Brian"  08/21/01 02:10PM >>>
> > > No one has gotten this problem yet.  Remeber, making
> > > it so the clients are
> > > on differnt layer 3 networks works, but when they
> > > are on the same it
> > > doesn't.  What mechanics are involved in how the
> > > packet will be treated
> > > different if on the same network vs. different
> > > networks.
> > >
> > > I'll still leave the answer open, someone will get
> > > this.
> > >
> > > Brian
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Wayne Wenthin wrote:
> > >
> > > > To me this looks very similar to bridging with
> > > DSL.  Since you cannot
> > > > receive the ARP the router must proxy this.
> > > >
> > > > At 09:52 AM 8/21/2001, McCallum, Robert wrote:
> > > > >you can correct me here if I am wrong but split
> > > horizon is only used in
> > > > >distance vector protocols NO???
> > > > >
> > > > >The problem here without giving the answer is
> > > that a router is expected to
> > > > >pass a packet out of an interface which is on its
> > > own subnet !!  Doesn't
> > > > >compute!  What is the routing protocol being used
> > > to route ip??  This is
> > > > >where the answer will lye
> > > > >
> > > > >-Original Message-
> > > > >From: Donald B Johnson jr
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > >Sent: 21 August 2001 17:06
> > > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > >Subject: Re: CHALLENGE PROBLEM (was Re: For FR
> > > Grus [7:16635])
> > > > >[7:16681]
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >I don't think bridge will work on this network
> > > because of split horizon.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >- Original Message -
> > > > >From: "Brian"
> > > > >To:
> > > > >Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 7:51 AM
> > > > >Subject: CHALLENGE PROBLEM (was Re: For FR
> > > Grus [7:16635]) [7:16659]
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Cisco Lover wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi Guys..
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Come with some New Queston..
> > > > > >
> > > > > > hmm, ok, so your looking for some challenging
> > > questions? Ok, I will
> > > post
> > > > > > one, its got FR in it.  First I'll post the
> > > problem, followed by the
> > > > > > config:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > THE PROBLEM
> > > > > > ===
> > > > > > Users on DLCI's 200, 224, 201, 225 cannot
> > > communicate to eachother.
> > > They
> > > > > > can talk just fine to the rest of the network,
> > > but no packets can pass
> > > > > > between them.  Later discovery reveals that so
> > > long as they are on
> > > > > > different layer 3 network addressing,
> > > communcation can occur, but if
> > > they
> > > > > > are on the same network, such as 192.168.3.0,
> > > then they cannot
> > > > communicate
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What is the problem?  I will reply to let
> > > everyone know who got the
> > > > > > correct answer.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Below is the configuration:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > !
> > > > > > version 11.3
> > > > > > !
> > > > > > interface Ethernet2/0
> > > > > >  ip address 192.168.1.242 255.255.255.0
> > > > > > !
> > > > > > interface Serial4/0
> > > > > >  no ip address
> > > > > >  encapsulation frame-relay IETF
> > > > > >  keepalive 15
> > > > > >  frame-relay map bridge 200 broadcast IETF
> > > > > >  frame-relay map bridge 224 broadcast IETF
> > > > > >  frame-relay map bridge 201 broadcast IETF
> > > > > >  frame-relay map bridge 225 broadcast IETF
> > > > > >  frame-relay lmi-type ansi
> > > > > >  bridge-group 1
> > > > > > !
> > > > > > interface BVI1
> > > > >

Help! Locked out of my 7513 Router! [7:16770]

2001-08-21 Thread Richard Chang

Dear Cisco Groupstudy Person:
  I locked myself out of my Cisco 7513 router somehow.My Keyboard has no
effect. I'm not sure if this is the reason, but my most recent configuration
change was to fill the No. 4 slot, previously blank, with a Fast Ethernet
Card.
  Everytime I power cycle the router, it comes up again, goes through the
boot sequence, and then freezes with a string of messages concerning the
status of FE 3/0 and FE 4/0, first stating that they are up and then stating
they are down.
  Even the password recovery technique where one uses the "Break" or "^["
Keys and then resets the Config Register can't be used. For some reason, the
keyboard won't even work; it has no effect in this situation suddenly!!.
  I have carefully checked my Hyperterminal settings of 9600 baud ; Data
bits=8 Parity=none stop bits=2 Flowcontrol=none
  Anybody have any idea why my keyboard is "dead" I am working with Vlan
configurations on this Router. Please help! Thank you.




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Help! Locked out of my 7513 Router! [7:16769]

2001-08-21 Thread Richard Chang

Dear Cisco Groupstudy Person:
  I locked myself out of my Cisco 7513 router somehow.My Keyboard has no
effect. I'm not sure if this is the reason, but my most recent configuration
change was to fill the No. 4 slot, previously blank, with a Fast Ethernet
Card.
  Everytime I power cycle the router, it comes up again, goes through the
boot sequence, and then freezes with a string of messages concerning the
status of FE 3/0 and FE 4/0, first stating that they are up and then stating
they are down.
  Even the password recovery technique where one uses the "Break" or "^["
Keys and then resets the Config Register can't be used. For some reason, the
keyboard won't even work; it has no effect in this situation suddenly!!.
  I have carefully checked my Hyperterminal settings of 9600 baud ; Data
bits=8 Parity=none stop bits=2 Flowcontrol=none
  Anybody have any idea why my keyboard is "dead" I am working with Vlan
configurations on this Router. Please help! Thank you.




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Re: CHALLENGE PROBLEM (was Re: For FR Grus.... [7:16635]) [7:16768]

2001-08-21 Thread Tony Medeiros

Sounds like Spanning tree is screwing it up.  Since this is a multipoint
interface. It think spanning tree will consider it as one port.  Any packet
that comes in the router and is destined for the same subnet  doesn't hit
the BVI and is bridged.

1st rule of bridge forwarding :
If the destination MAC address is unknown, forward out all ports except the
ingress port.  Since all the packets come in the same port as far a spanning
tree is concerned, unknown or ANY packets for that matter,  will not be set
out the same port.   Packets on different subnets hit the BVI and are routed
and so will bypass the bridging rule.

A bridge will NEVER forward a frame out the same port in came it.

Solution:
Set up P to P subinterfaces.  These should be treated by bridge as different
ports and frames will get forwarded.

IGRP and split horizon have nothing to do with it.

At least I think this is the problem :)

Tony M
#6172

- Original Message -
From: "suaveguru" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 7:55 PM
Subject: RE: CHALLENGE PROBLEM (was Re: For FR Grus [7:16635]) [7:16755]


> is it something to do with using classless rather than
> classful routing protocols?
>
>
> regards,
> suaveguru
> --- Patrick Ramsey
> wrote:
> > How about get rid of igrp and configure ospf in nbma
> > mode?  :)
> >
> > -Patrick
> >
> > >>> "Brian"  08/21/01 02:10PM >>>
> > No one has gotten this problem yet.  Remeber, making
> > it so the clients are
> > on differnt layer 3 networks works, but when they
> > are on the same it
> > doesn't.  What mechanics are involved in how the
> > packet will be treated
> > different if on the same network vs. different
> > networks.
> >
> > I'll still leave the answer open, someone will get
> > this.
> >
> > Brian
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Wayne Wenthin wrote:
> >
> > > To me this looks very similar to bridging with
> > DSL.  Since you cannot
> > > receive the ARP the router must proxy this.
> > >
> > > At 09:52 AM 8/21/2001, McCallum, Robert wrote:
> > > >you can correct me here if I am wrong but split
> > horizon is only used in
> > > >distance vector protocols NO???
> > > >
> > > >The problem here without giving the answer is
> > that a router is expected to
> > > >pass a packet out of an interface which is on its
> > own subnet !!  Doesn't
> > > >compute!  What is the routing protocol being used
> > to route ip??  This is
> > > >where the answer will lye
> > > >
> > > >-Original Message-
> > > >From: Donald B Johnson jr
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > >Sent: 21 August 2001 17:06
> > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >Subject: Re: CHALLENGE PROBLEM (was Re: For FR
> > Grus [7:16635])
> > > >[7:16681]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >I don't think bridge will work on this network
> > because of split horizon.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >- Original Message -
> > > >From: "Brian"
> > > >To:
> > > >Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 7:51 AM
> > > >Subject: CHALLENGE PROBLEM (was Re: For FR
> > Grus [7:16635]) [7:16659]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Cisco Lover wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Guys..
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Come with some New Queston..
> > > > >
> > > > > hmm, ok, so your looking for some challenging
> > questions? Ok, I will
> > post
> > > > > one, its got FR in it.  First I'll post the
> > problem, followed by the
> > > > > config:
> > > > >
> > > > > THE PROBLEM
> > > > > ===
> > > > > Users on DLCI's 200, 224, 201, 225 cannot
> > communicate to eachother.
> > They
> > > > > can talk just fine to the rest of the network,
> > but no packets can pass
> > > > > between them.  Later discovery reveals that so
> > long as they are on
> > > > > different layer 3 network addressing,
> > communcation can occur, but if
> > they
> > > > > are on the same network, such as 192.168.3.0,
> > then they cannot
> > > communicate
> > > > >
> > > > > What is the problem?  I will reply to let
> > everyone know who got the
> > > > > correct answer.
> > > > >
> > > > > Below is the configuration:
> > > > >
> > > > > !
> > > > > version 11.3
> > > > > !
> > > > > interface Ethernet2/0
> > > > >  ip address 192.168.1.242 255.255.255.0
> > > > > !
> > > > > interface Serial4/0
> > > > >  no ip address
> > > > >  encapsulation frame-relay IETF
> > > > >  keepalive 15
> > > > >  frame-relay map bridge 200 broadcast IETF
> > > > >  frame-relay map bridge 224 broadcast IETF
> > > > >  frame-relay map bridge 201 broadcast IETF
> > > > >  frame-relay map bridge 225 broadcast IETF
> > > > >  frame-relay lmi-type ansi
> > > > >  bridge-group 1
> > > > > !
> > > > > interface BVI1
> > > > >  ip address 192.168.3.242 255.255.255.0
> > secondary
> > > > >  ip address 192.168.2.242 255.255.255.0
> > > > >
> > > > > !
> > > > > router igrp 1
> > > > >  network 192.1.0.0
> > > > >  network 192.2.0.0
> > > > >  network 193.3.0.0
> > > > > !
> > > > > ip classless
> > > > > !
> > > > > bridge irb
> > > > >  bridge 1 protocol ieee
> > > > >  bridge 1 route ip

RE: A new networking term - thoughts? [7:16668]

2001-08-21 Thread Ole Drews Jensen

You were, you were, but that was not my point.

My point was that Split Horizon 'splits' the 'horizon' the routing update
came from, from the outgoing 'horizon' the update is forwarded out through.

On iBGP, it doesn't propagate it out to any (unless again it's a cluster
server) so the term Split Horizon would be incorrect to use here. I would
rather call it No Horizon, or something similar but different than S.H.

Ole, who likes to play the blues on his Fender Stratocaster :-)


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Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 9:57 PM
To: Ole Drews Jensen; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I thought I was fairly careful in stating that with iBGP split-horizon, an
iBGP router will not advertise a route to the same AS from which it receives
the route. This covers the interface issue.

Chuck
whose mama didn't raise no fool, and whose lawyer wife has taught him the
hard way about wording things ;->

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Chuck, I think there's a difference here. Split Horizon as you say, does not
advertise a route back out the interface that it received it on, but the
iBGP does not only not propagate a route learned from other iBGP out the
receiving interface, but it does not propagate it out any interfaces unless
it has been setup as a cluster server.

If you would name this, it would probably be something like "iBGP horizon"
:-)

Just my 0010 cents.

Ole

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-Original Message-
From: Chuck Larrieu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 10:29 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: A new networking term - thoughts? [7:16668]


As a result of an off-list conversation, I came across the following
networking term:

iBGP split horizon

my first reaction was a sarcastic remark about never having come across the
term in the RFC's. but then I got to thinking about it, and I now see this
as a descriptive and quite useful term.

recall that distance vector protocols are subject to the rule of split
horizon. they do not advertise a route back out the interface that they
received that particular route.

one of the gotchas of iBGP is the fact that iBGP routers do not propagate
routes learned from one iBGP neighbor to other iBGP neighbors. hence the
requirement for iBGP full mesh.

so why not call this iBGP split horizon? and define it as follows: an iBGP
router will not advertise a route back out the same AS from which it learned
the route?

does this make sense? worth letting this one join the lexicon of networking
terminology?

Chuck




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RE: CHALLENGE PROBLEM (was Re: For FR Grus.... [7:16635]) [7:16767]

2001-08-21 Thread Brian

On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, suaveguru wrote:

> is it something to do with using classless rather than
> classful routing protocols?

no, it was answered already.  It has to do with bridges blocking on ports
data is sourced from.

Brian


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Re: A new networking term - thoughts? [7:16668]

2001-08-21 Thread Tony Medeiros

I always thought "split horizon" was a non intuitive term anyway.  iBGP or
whatever.  Some engineers come up with the strangest names for things.

Split horizon implys there is a big tree that is obstructing my view of the
sunset. :>0

Tony M.
(Split personnality)

- Original Message -
From: "Chuck Larrieu" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 8:13 PM
Subject: RE: A new networking term - thoughts? [7:16668]


> I thought I was fairly careful in stating that with iBGP split-horizon, an
> iBGP router will not advertise a route to the same AS from which it
receives
> the route. This covers the interface issue.
>
> Chuck
> whose mama didn't raise no fool, and whose lawyer wife has taught him the
> hard way about wording things ;->
>
> -Original Message-
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> Ole Drews Jensen
> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 8:52 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: A new networking term - thoughts? [7:16668]
>
>
> Chuck, I think there's a difference here. Split Horizon as you say, does
not
> advertise a route back out the interface that it received it on, but the
> iBGP does not only not propagate a route learned from other iBGP out the
> receiving interface, but it does not propagate it out any interfaces
unless
> it has been setup as a cluster server.
>
> If you would name this, it would probably be something like "iBGP horizon"
> :-)
>
> Just my 0010 cents.
>
> Ole
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> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 10:29 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: A new networking term - thoughts? [7:16668]
>
>
> As a result of an off-list conversation, I came across the following
> networking term:
>
> iBGP split horizon
>
> my first reaction was a sarcastic remark about never having come across
the
> term in the RFC's. but then I got to thinking about it, and I now see this
> as a descriptive and quite useful term.
>
> recall that distance vector protocols are subject to the rule of split
> horizon. they do not advertise a route back out the interface that they
> received that particular route.
>
> one of the gotchas of iBGP is the fact that iBGP routers do not propagate
> routes learned from one iBGP neighbor to other iBGP neighbors. hence the
> requirement for iBGP full mesh.
>
> so why not call this iBGP split horizon? and define it as follows: an iBGP
> router will not advertise a route back out the same AS from which it
learned
> the route?
>
> does this make sense? worth letting this one join the lexicon of
networking
> terminology?
>
> Chuck




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RE: What Router for Routing Between VLANS [7:16609]

2001-08-21 Thread Chuck Larrieu

I learned it the opposite way - route where you can, bridge where you must -
but that was before all this new fangled "layer three switching" crap was
all the rage. :->

Chuck

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Is that the same principle as "one does not route between LANs" ?

or "bridge where you can, route where you must" ?

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To: "EA Louie" ;
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 5:51 AM
Subject: Re: What Router for Routing Between VLANS [7:16609]


For clarity since VLANs are a pet peeve of mine, can we ask which router
will route between trunked interfaces?  One does not route between VLANs,
one routes between IP subnets with IP routers.



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On 8/21/2001 at 2:40 AM EA Louie wrote:

>any router that supports VLAN trunking (802.1q or ISL).  The 2600 does if
>equipped with a fastethernet interface.
>see http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/473/50.shtml (I it got using a search
>for intervlan routing)
>which indicates the minimun router is the 2620
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Circusnuts"
>To:
>Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 7:23 PM
>Subject: What Router for Routing Between VLANS [7:16609]
>
>
>> I have lent out my CCNP books & do not remember all the router models
>that
>> can
>> route between VLAN's.  I currently have a 4700M doing the job, but wanted
>to
>> know if a 2600 would route them.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Phil
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RE: What Router for Routing Between VLANS [7:16609]

2001-08-21 Thread Chuck Larrieu

so where does layer 4 switching fit into the scheme of things ;->

Chuck

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Peter Van Oene
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 12:32 PM
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It's really the principal that one does not use layer three protocols to
govern layer two activities.


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On 8/21/2001 at 11:55 AM EA Louie wrote:

>Is that the same principle as "one does not route between LANs" ?
>
>or "bridge where you can, route where you must" ?
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Peter Van Oene"
>To: "EA Louie" ;
>Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 5:51 AM
>Subject: Re: What Router for Routing Between VLANS [7:16609]
>
>
>For clarity since VLANs are a pet peeve of mine, can we ask which router
>will route between trunked interfaces?  One does not route between VLANs,
>one routes between IP subnets with IP routers.
>
>
>
>*** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***
>
>On 8/21/2001 at 2:40 AM EA Louie wrote:
>
>>any router that supports VLAN trunking (802.1q or ISL).  The 2600 does if
>>equipped with a fastethernet interface.
>>see http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/473/50.shtml (I it got using a search
>>for intervlan routing)
>>which indicates the minimun router is the 2620
>>
>>- Original Message -
>>From: "Circusnuts"
>>To:
>>Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 7:23 PM
>>Subject: What Router for Routing Between VLANS [7:16609]
>>
>>
>>> I have lent out my CCNP books & do not remember all the router models
>>that
>>> can
>>> route between VLAN's.  I currently have a 4700M doing the job, but
>wanted
>>to
>>> know if a 2600 would route them.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Phil
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RE: HELP!! The Cisco Code & Windows XP [7:16604]

2001-08-21 Thread Chuck Larrieu

the research I did in thinking about this question a bit more deeply led me
to the 802.1x port authentication issue.

is it correct that Microsoft turns on everything under the sun by default,
and leaves it to the befuddled LAN admins and bedeviled help desk and
desktop support people to figure out why things all of a sudden are broken?

Chuck

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Priscilla Oppenheimer
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Subject: RE: HELP!! The Cisco Code & Windows XP [7:16604]


I wish that Networking 101 was required in schools. Then even the
Management by Business Week types would know about the 7 layers and that
the operating system, which generally deals with local file management and
I/O, should not matter when considering traffic going through routers and
switches.

In actuality, there may be issues because the TCP/IP stack and other
protocols are part of the operating system and they could be buggy, but if
they are standard and not buggy, then there shouldn't be an issue.

I don't mean to flame the person that asked. It can't hurt to do some
research, and there was that one bug with 802.1x security and Catalyst 5000
switches connecting PCs running Windows XP, but that kind of thing
shouldn't happen. On the other hand, both Cisco and Microsoft like to take
simple concepts (like bridging, etc.) and make them so complicated that
bugs are bound to happen.

We run an ISP among other things. I wish that our users would take the
basic networking class also. This morning someone called and said she had
an error message about running out of server space. So I talked to her
about not keeping mail on the server. She said, "you mean I can't keep
messages in my In Box?" Sigh. Networking 101 would have a short section on
client/server architecture too.

Sorry for the babbling. Haven't had my latte yet.

Priscilla




At 12:05 AM 8/21/01, Chuck Larrieu wrote:
>I'm sure you've had your fair share of smart remarks by now. So I won't add
>my own. I will remark that in fairness to your boss, there is probably
>something he has heard or read which caused him to look for reassurance.
>
>for example, is there a concern with VPN compatibility of operation using
>Win XP VPN client software? is there a security concern based upon
published
>writings about the XP TCP stack?
>
>if the question is "will Cisco routers pass traffic generated by XP
>machines?" the answer is "sure. why not" after all, there is nothing in an
>IP or a TCP header that indicates the type of host OS that originates the
>packet. as long as the traffic is contained in valid packets, the router
>will pass process them. knowing that, may I recommend you sit down with the
>boss and ask what his concerns are. what has he read? what has he heard?
why
>would he think there is reason to be concerned? hell, he could be a victim
>of MBBW ( Management By Business Week - where the president of the company
>saw something in Business Week Magazine over the weekend and on Monday
>morning told your boss to investigate and come back with report. ;->
>
>( and yes, I know some bosses are "she" )
>
>Chuck
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
>Ray Smith
>Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 5:38 PM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: HELP!! The Cisco Code & Windows XP [7:16604]
>
>
>Guys,
>
>After my boss delegated me to research all I can about what is need to
>upgrade if necessary our Cisco routers and switches to work with
Windows-XP,
>I was only able to assert from information on the web that there is a bug
in
>the switch software that is incompatible with XP.
>
>Does anyone here know of any valuable information that can help me with
>compiling an educated assessment of this research?  Is anyone out there
>knowledgeable of this issue either from personal experience or from
>literature?  I would really appreciate some feedback.
>
>The only problems that I have actually heard of thus far is that which
>occurred during the beta test that brought down one of Xerox's network.  I
>understand that there is a patch that is available as a fix, in addition to
>the option of upgrading the Switch code.  My question is: -
>
>a). Does the incompatibility only exist with the Switch software or with
the
>router IOS as
>  well?
>
>b). Is the patch the best way of dealing with the problem?
>
>I appreciate any help that I can get.  Thanks
>
>
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RE: HELP!! The Cisco Code & Windows XP [7:16604]

2001-08-21 Thread Chuck Larrieu

I did a little more checking on this. there is a known issue with XP clients
and Catalyst 5000 switches with EARL 1 and certain software revisions. I may
be misunderstanding this completely, but it is an issue with the interaction
of the Cat 5K and XP when 802.1x port authentication is enabled. that got me
to reading on 802.1x authentication. interesting.

Chuck

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Brian
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Subject: RE: HELP!! The Cisco Code & Windows XP [7:16604]


perhaps boss heard about the mstcp thread...

Brian "Sonic" Whalen
Success = Preparation + Opportunity


On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Chuck Larrieu wrote:

> I'm sure you've had your fair share of smart remarks by now. So I won't
add
> my own. I will remark that in fairness to your boss, there is probably
> something he has heard or read which caused him to look for reassurance.
>
> for example, is there a concern with VPN compatibility of operation using
> Win XP VPN client software? is there a security concern based upon
published
> writings about the XP TCP stack?
>
> if the question is "will Cisco routers pass traffic generated by XP
> machines?" the answer is "sure. why not" after all, there is nothing in an
> IP or a TCP header that indicates the type of host OS that originates the
> packet. as long as the traffic is contained in valid packets, the router
> will pass process them. knowing that, may I recommend you sit down with
the
> boss and ask what his concerns are. what has he read? what has he heard?
why
> would he think there is reason to be concerned? hell, he could be a victim
> of MBBW ( Management By Business Week - where the president of the company
> saw something in Business Week Magazine over the weekend and on Monday
> morning told your boss to investigate and come back with report. ;->
>
> ( and yes, I know some bosses are "she" )
>
> Chuck
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> Ray Smith
> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 5:38 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: HELP!! The Cisco Code & Windows XP [7:16604]
>
>
> Guys,
>
> After my boss delegated me to research all I can about what is need to
> upgrade if necessary our Cisco routers and switches to work with
Windows-XP,
> I was only able to assert from information on the web that there is a bug
in
> the switch software that is incompatible with XP.
>
> Does anyone here know of any valuable information that can help me with
> compiling an educated assessment of this research?  Is anyone out there
> knowledgeable of this issue either from personal experience or from
> literature?  I would really appreciate some feedback.
>
> The only problems that I have actually heard of thus far is that which
> occurred during the beta test that brought down one of Xerox's network.  I
> understand that there is a patch that is available as a fix, in addition
to
> the option of upgrading the Switch code.  My question is: -
>
> a). Does the incompatibility only exist with the Switch software or with
the
> router IOS as
>  well?
>
> b). Is the patch the best way of dealing with the problem?
>
> I appreciate any help that I can get.  Thanks
>
>
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RE: A new networking term - thoughts? [7:16668]

2001-08-21 Thread Chuck Larrieu

I'm told that the term appears in the Cisco BSCN course material.

Chuck

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John Neiberger
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 9:35 AM
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Subject: Re: A new networking term - thoughts? [7:16668]


I've actually heard that term used before, and I think it *may* have
been in one of Howard's books or CertificationZone papers.  Maybe not,
I'm sure he'll correct me.  I do know that I've heard the term "split
horizon" in this context before.

I agree that we should probably use it more often.  A slight
modification might be that a BGP speaker will ignore updates that
include its own ASN in the path.  I don't know if that still qualifies
as split horizon since it's the receiver of the route that is
disallowing the update, not the sender (as in the case of split horizon
in other protocols.)Still, the end result is the same and I think it
applies.

John

>>> "Chuck Larrieu"  8/21/01 9:29:20 AM >>>
As a result of an off-list conversation, I came across the following
networking term:

iBGP split horizon

my first reaction was a sarcastic remark about never having come across
the
term in the RFC's. but then I got to thinking about it, and I now see
this
as a descriptive and quite useful term.

recall that distance vector protocols are subject to the rule of split
horizon. they do not advertise a route back out the interface that
they
received that particular route.

one of the gotchas of iBGP is the fact that iBGP routers do not
propagate
routes learned from one iBGP neighbor to other iBGP neighbors. hence
the
requirement for iBGP full mesh.

so why not call this iBGP split horizon? and define it as follows: an
iBGP
router will not advertise a route back out the same AS from which it
learned
the route?

does this make sense? worth letting this one join the lexicon of
networking
terminology?

Chuck




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Problem with Cisco 2505? [7:16758]

2001-08-21 Thread Danny Wu

Hi,
I have a Cisco 2505. It was working fine.
But I had tried to upgrade memory to 16mb.
After switched the new 16mb memory, the router can't power up. Then,
I switched back an old one, still can't power up. Any idea?
Plz, help!

Thanks!

Dan




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RE: Access-Lists [7:16693]

2001-08-21 Thread Chuck Larrieu

also check out Held & Hundley - Cisco Access List Field Guide, or something
like that. Excellent reading. lots of config examples.

Chuck

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Hello All,

Can anyone recommend good books to read when one wants to configure
access-lists on Cisco devices?

Thanks

James




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VPN certificate [7:16759]

2001-08-21 Thread Jim Bond

Hello,

Anyone successfully implement Cisco VPN 3000 with
Microsoft CA? I couldn't get it work, here is what I
did:

1. install CA certificate on VPN 3000
2. enroll VPN 3000 on Microsoft CA 
3. enroll VPN client (version 3.0) on Microsoft CA

When I tried to connect, it says "Remote peer is no
longer responding", on 3000, it says error connection.
Any idea?

Thanks in advance.

Jim

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RE: A new networking term - thoughts? [7:16668]

2001-08-21 Thread Chuck Larrieu

I thought I was fairly careful in stating that with iBGP split-horizon, an
iBGP router will not advertise a route to the same AS from which it receives
the route. This covers the interface issue.

Chuck
whose mama didn't raise no fool, and whose lawyer wife has taught him the
hard way about wording things ;->

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Ole Drews Jensen
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 8:52 AM
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Subject: RE: A new networking term - thoughts? [7:16668]


Chuck, I think there's a difference here. Split Horizon as you say, does not
advertise a route back out the interface that it received it on, but the
iBGP does not only not propagate a route learned from other iBGP out the
receiving interface, but it does not propagate it out any interfaces unless
it has been setup as a cluster server.

If you would name this, it would probably be something like "iBGP horizon"
:-)

Just my 0010 cents.

Ole

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-Original Message-
From: Chuck Larrieu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 10:29 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: A new networking term - thoughts? [7:16668]


As a result of an off-list conversation, I came across the following
networking term:

iBGP split horizon

my first reaction was a sarcastic remark about never having come across the
term in the RFC's. but then I got to thinking about it, and I now see this
as a descriptive and quite useful term.

recall that distance vector protocols are subject to the rule of split
horizon. they do not advertise a route back out the interface that they
received that particular route.

one of the gotchas of iBGP is the fact that iBGP routers do not propagate
routes learned from one iBGP neighbor to other iBGP neighbors. hence the
requirement for iBGP full mesh.

so why not call this iBGP split horizon? and define it as follows: an iBGP
router will not advertise a route back out the same AS from which it learned
the route?

does this make sense? worth letting this one join the lexicon of networking
terminology?

Chuck




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RE: CHALLENGE PROBLEM (was Re: For FR Grus.... [7:16635]) [7:16755]

2001-08-21 Thread suaveguru

is it something to do with using classless rather than
classful routing protocols?


regards,
suaveguru
--- Patrick Ramsey 
wrote:
> How about get rid of igrp and configure ospf in nbma
> mode?  :)
> 
> -Patrick
> 
> >>> "Brian"  08/21/01 02:10PM >>>
> No one has gotten this problem yet.  Remeber, making
> it so the clients are
> on differnt layer 3 networks works, but when they
> are on the same it
> doesn't.  What mechanics are involved in how the
> packet will be treated
> different if on the same network vs. different
> networks.
> 
> I'll still leave the answer open, someone will get
> this.
> 
> Brian
> 
> 
> On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Wayne Wenthin wrote:
> 
> > To me this looks very similar to bridging with
> DSL.  Since you cannot
> > receive the ARP the router must proxy this.
> >
> > At 09:52 AM 8/21/2001, McCallum, Robert wrote:
> > >you can correct me here if I am wrong but split
> horizon is only used in
> > >distance vector protocols NO???
> > >
> > >The problem here without giving the answer is
> that a router is expected to
> > >pass a packet out of an interface which is on its
> own subnet !!  Doesn't
> > >compute!  What is the routing protocol being used
> to route ip??  This is
> > >where the answer will lye
> > >
> > >-Original Message-
> > >From: Donald B Johnson jr
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> > >Sent: 21 August 2001 17:06
> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > >Subject: Re: CHALLENGE PROBLEM (was Re: For FR
> Grus [7:16635])
> > >[7:16681]
> > >
> > >
> > >I don't think bridge will work on this network
> because of split horizon.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >- Original Message -
> > >From: "Brian"
> > >To:
> > >Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 7:51 AM
> > >Subject: CHALLENGE PROBLEM (was Re: For FR
> Grus [7:16635]) [7:16659]
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Cisco Lover wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Guys..
> > > > >
> > > > > Come with some New Queston..
> > > >
> > > > hmm, ok, so your looking for some challenging
> questions? Ok, I will
> post
> > > > one, its got FR in it.  First I'll post the
> problem, followed by the
> > > > config:
> > > >
> > > > THE PROBLEM
> > > > ===
> > > > Users on DLCI's 200, 224, 201, 225 cannot
> communicate to eachother. 
> They
> > > > can talk just fine to the rest of the network,
> but no packets can pass
> > > > between them.  Later discovery reveals that so
> long as they are on
> > > > different layer 3 network addressing,
> communcation can occur, but if
> they
> > > > are on the same network, such as 192.168.3.0,
> then they cannot
> > communicate
> > > >
> > > > What is the problem?  I will reply to let
> everyone know who got the
> > > > correct answer.
> > > >
> > > > Below is the configuration:
> > > >
> > > > !
> > > > version 11.3
> > > > !
> > > > interface Ethernet2/0
> > > >  ip address 192.168.1.242 255.255.255.0
> > > > !
> > > > interface Serial4/0
> > > >  no ip address
> > > >  encapsulation frame-relay IETF
> > > >  keepalive 15
> > > >  frame-relay map bridge 200 broadcast IETF
> > > >  frame-relay map bridge 224 broadcast IETF
> > > >  frame-relay map bridge 201 broadcast IETF
> > > >  frame-relay map bridge 225 broadcast IETF
> > > >  frame-relay lmi-type ansi
> > > >  bridge-group 1
> > > > !
> > > > interface BVI1
> > > >  ip address 192.168.3.242 255.255.255.0
> secondary
> > > >  ip address 192.168.2.242 255.255.255.0
> > > >
> > > > !
> > > > router igrp 1
> > > >  network 192.1.0.0
> > > >  network 192.2.0.0
> > > >  network 193.3.0.0
> > > > !
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> > > >
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RE: What Router for Routing Between VLANS [7:16609]

2001-08-21 Thread Dwayne Saunders

all to the fast ethernet module

D'Wayne Saunders
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Are you connecting one VLAN to your Ethernet interface and the other VLAN to
your Fast Ethernet module interface, or do you have them both connected to
the Fast Ethernet module interface setup with VLAN trunking?

Ole

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Very strange I have a fast Ethernet module in a 2610 and it works and I am
only using the ip feature set
so I don't know what the story is there

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any router that supports VLAN trunking (802.1q or ISL).  The 2600 does if
equipped with a fastethernet interface.
see http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/473/50.shtml (I it got using a search
for intervlan routing)
which indicates the minimun router is the 2620

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Subject: What Router for Routing Between VLANS [7:16609]


> I have lent out my CCNP books & do not remember all the router models that
> can
> route between VLAN's.  I currently have a 4700M doing the job, but wanted
to
> know if a 2600 would route them.
>
> Thanks
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Re: DHCP on Ethernet interface [7:16746]

2001-08-21 Thread Brian

It does seem odd to me that your ip and gateway are not both within the
same network boundary, as shown by the /23 mask there..

Brian "Sonic" Whalen
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On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Leigh Anne Chisholm wrote:

> Well, I've found the IOS that runs DHCP client, and I've found the command.
> I've just spent the past 4 hours trying to resolve why I'm getting
> encapsulation failure messages after the DHCP Offer is made from the
service
> provider (Shaw @ Home) and have discovered the following:
>
> My IP Address: 24.65.134.40
> Subnet Mask:  255.255.254.0
> Gateway:   24.65.142.1
>
> Anyone see a problem?
>
> If you do, then you're one up on Shaw Cable's technical support.  They
won't
> look at the problem because it's a Cisco router at the other end--an
> unsupported device.  But the device isn't the problem--their scope
> configuration is.
>
> No, I can't get any information on who it is that I'm speaking with other
> than his name is Darren.
>
> No, I can't speak to a supervisor.
>
> And no, I can't continue talking either because I've just been hung up on.
>
> What excellent customer service.  Just what exactly is technical support
> for?
>
> So if anyone out there knows anyone at Shaw, they might want to mention
> their problem to them.  And no, I'm not just talking about their
> interpersonal skills.
>
> So thanks to everyone who tried to help me get this going...
>
>
>   -- Leigh Anne




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RE: Ethernet interface as DHCP client? [7:16724]

2001-08-21 Thread Brian

It so completely makes me want to convulse, thinking of a router interface
as a dhcp client.  I mean if you're a dsl/cable type customer, then
maybe, but to me client<>router.

Brian "Sonic" Whalen
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On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Leigh Anne Chisholm wrote:

> Found my answer.  One lonely little reference in a ton of hits in the
> Groupstudy archives that I've been combing through...
>
> "ip address dhcp".  Introduced in IOS 12.1(2)T.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> Leigh Anne Chisholm
> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 2:33 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Ethernet interface as DHCP client? [7:16724]
>
>
> I'm playing around with this and I've been concentrating my focus on
EasyIP.
> It would appear that only dialer interfaces are able to obtain an address
> via DHCP.  I want my Ethernet interface to get an IP address dynamically.
> Has anyone done this?  Can anyone give me some guidance if it is possible.
> IS it possible?
>
>
>   -- Leigh Anne




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Re: DHCP on Ethernet interface [7:16746]

2001-08-21 Thread Kevin Wigle

24.65.134.40/23 of course should fall in a range of:

24.65.134.1 to 24.65.135.254

which puts your gateway out in left field someplace.. :-)

If you connect a "supported" device for testing - just a Win95/98 PC, do you
get the same IP parameters?

If you get the same stuff then "perhaps" Shaw will continue talking to you.

Did you ever have a PC on this before or is it a new circuit?

In any event, it doesn't justify the behaviour - that's the problem if there
isn't enough competition.  Maybe Sympatico HSE is available in your area?

Kevin Wigle




- Original Message -
From: "Leigh Anne Chisholm" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, 21 August, 2001 21:18
Subject: DHCP on Ethernet interface [7:16746]


> Well, I've found the IOS that runs DHCP client, and I've found the
command.
> I've just spent the past 4 hours trying to resolve why I'm getting
> encapsulation failure messages after the DHCP Offer is made from the
service
> provider (Shaw @ Home) and have discovered the following:
>
> My IP Address: 24.65.134.40
> Subnet Mask:  255.255.254.0
> Gateway:   24.65.142.1
>
> Anyone see a problem?
>
> If you do, then you're one up on Shaw Cable's technical support.  They
won't
> look at the problem because it's a Cisco router at the other end--an
> unsupported device.  But the device isn't the problem--their scope
> configuration is.
>
> No, I can't get any information on who it is that I'm speaking with other
> than his name is Darren.
>
> No, I can't speak to a supervisor.
>
> And no, I can't continue talking either because I've just been hung up on.
>
> What excellent customer service.  Just what exactly is technical support
> for?
>
> So if anyone out there knows anyone at Shaw, they might want to mention
> their problem to them.  And no, I'm not just talking about their
> interpersonal skills.
>
> So thanks to everyone who tried to help me get this going...
>
>
>   -- Leigh Anne




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Re: books on PIX? [7:16720]

2001-08-21 Thread Engelhard M. Labiro

There are two books that cover for PIX Firewall for several chapters:
1. MCNS by Michael Wenstrom
2. Cisco Secure Internet Solutions by Andrew G. Mason.

I have these two but I think the informations provided
in these books, anyone can find it on CCO instead.

HTH

> Anyone know of any good introductory books on PIX firewalls? Something
nice
> and simple that has a beginning, middle, and an ending.(Most authors of
tech
> books miss this concept). I'd rather not have to jump around in CCO land
> getting snippets of different functionalities that I probably would never
> have to implement. Just the basics. Thanks.
>
>
> Sam Sneed




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RE: HELP!! The Cisco Code & Windows XP [7:16604]

2001-08-21 Thread Brian

perhaps boss heard about the mstcp thread...

Brian "Sonic" Whalen
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On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Chuck Larrieu wrote:

> I'm sure you've had your fair share of smart remarks by now. So I won't add
> my own. I will remark that in fairness to your boss, there is probably
> something he has heard or read which caused him to look for reassurance.
>
> for example, is there a concern with VPN compatibility of operation using
> Win XP VPN client software? is there a security concern based upon
published
> writings about the XP TCP stack?
>
> if the question is "will Cisco routers pass traffic generated by XP
> machines?" the answer is "sure. why not" after all, there is nothing in an
> IP or a TCP header that indicates the type of host OS that originates the
> packet. as long as the traffic is contained in valid packets, the router
> will pass process them. knowing that, may I recommend you sit down with the
> boss and ask what his concerns are. what has he read? what has he heard?
why
> would he think there is reason to be concerned? hell, he could be a victim
> of MBBW ( Management By Business Week - where the president of the company
> saw something in Business Week Magazine over the weekend and on Monday
> morning told your boss to investigate and come back with report. ;->
>
> ( and yes, I know some bosses are "she" )
>
> Chuck
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> Ray Smith
> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 5:38 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: HELP!! The Cisco Code & Windows XP [7:16604]
>
>
> Guys,
>
> After my boss delegated me to research all I can about what is need to
> upgrade if necessary our Cisco routers and switches to work with
Windows-XP,
> I was only able to assert from information on the web that there is a bug
in
> the switch software that is incompatible with XP.
>
> Does anyone here know of any valuable information that can help me with
> compiling an educated assessment of this research?  Is anyone out there
> knowledgeable of this issue either from personal experience or from
> literature?  I would really appreciate some feedback.
>
> The only problems that I have actually heard of thus far is that which
> occurred during the beta test that brought down one of Xerox's network.  I
> understand that there is a patch that is available as a fix, in addition to
> the option of upgrading the Switch code.  My question is: -
>
> a). Does the incompatibility only exist with the Switch software or with
the
> router IOS as
>  well?
>
> b). Is the patch the best way of dealing with the problem?
>
> I appreciate any help that I can get.  Thanks
>
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Re: Difficulty - CCIE written or CCNP [7:16504]

2001-08-21 Thread Brian

Many folks use the exhaustive study for ccnp as a reason to go try the
written very shortly thereafter..

Brian "Sonic" Whalen
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On Mon, 20 Aug 2001, Ola Shusi wrote:

> You definitely need to go through the CCNP route proir to taking the CCIE
> written. You must also be sound in networking issues and not just cisco
> related.
>
> Ola
> - Original Message -
> From: "James Harris"
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 12:03 PM
> Subject: Difficulty - CCIE written or CCNP [7:16504]
>
>
> > Would anyone who has taken the CCNP and the CCIE written exam
> > care to advise which is the hardest? I hear the CCIE written
> > exam is very basic. It certainly covers some simple topics but
> > would a candidate need to know networking to CCNP level or
> > higher to achieve thes pass mark? Put another way, how would you
> > compare two people, one with CCNP and not CCIE written, the
> > other with the CCIE written and not CCNP?




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Re: Promiscous interface and remote users [7:16734]

2001-08-21 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer

If there's a risk that John Doe could gain access to the NT and Unix 
systems where the sniffer software is running, then this does seem very 
unsafe. It would be better to run sniffer software on a machine that is not 
capable of supporting multiple users and doesn't support remote access.

Sniffer users that know what they are doing can learn a huge amount of 
information, including passwords, confidential data, etc. Both FTP and 
Telnet use unencrypted passwords. This may not seem like a big deal except 
that many people use that same password for access to confidential database 
files. In addition to passwords, the sniffer user is going to see realms of 
other data that could be confidential. (Once while teaching an onsite 
Sniffer class, I noticed that an executive for the company was printing a 
contract to sell the company.)

Running sniffer software on a shared machine is asking for trouble unless 
you are really sure a hacker isn't going to get into that machine.

Priscilla

At 05:39 PM 8/21/01, Subba Rao wrote:
>Hi,
>
>We have 2 sniffer systems on NT and on Unix. The sniffer puts the ethernet
>interfaces
>on both the systems in promiscuous mode. Currently we are not worried about
>any local
>users on the system. Are there any threats from remote users on the
>promiscuous interface,
>on either system? When I say "remote users", I am talking about John Doe on
>our network who
>has no business with either of these system. John Doe could be on Internet
>as well but has
>no user accounts on these systems. Would he get any vulnerable information
>from the sniffer
>interfaces on either system?
>
>Thank you in advance for any info.
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Re: 640-504 Examsim Question [7:16526]

2001-08-21 Thread Brian

Perhaps the snmp data was acl protected, new network means no match means
traps dont get through..

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> question: (Q) After an acquisition, your company's IP network was
> renumbered. What are two possible reasons why you don't get traps anymore
> from the devices? [FORM NOT SHOWN]
>
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DHCP on Ethernet interface [7:16746]

2001-08-21 Thread Leigh Anne Chisholm

Well, I've found the IOS that runs DHCP client, and I've found the command.
I've just spent the past 4 hours trying to resolve why I'm getting
encapsulation failure messages after the DHCP Offer is made from the service
provider (Shaw @ Home) and have discovered the following:

My IP Address: 24.65.134.40
Subnet Mask:  255.255.254.0
Gateway:   24.65.142.1

Anyone see a problem?

If you do, then you're one up on Shaw Cable's technical support.  They won't
look at the problem because it's a Cisco router at the other end--an
unsupported device.  But the device isn't the problem--their scope
configuration is.

No, I can't get any information on who it is that I'm speaking with other
than his name is Darren.

No, I can't speak to a supervisor.

And no, I can't continue talking either because I've just been hung up on.

What excellent customer service.  Just what exactly is technical support
for?

So if anyone out there knows anyone at Shaw, they might want to mention
their problem to them.  And no, I'm not just talking about their
interpersonal skills.

So thanks to everyone who tried to help me get this going...


  -- Leigh Anne




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Shreveport, LA area Cisco Candidates? [7:16745]

2001-08-21 Thread Brian

If anyone is studying for Cisco certs in the
Shreveport, LA area, or even near there, I
would be interested in hearing from you.  I
think it would be great if there were enough
people to arrange some sort of study group.

Just send a private email to me off list and
i'll see if there is any interest.

Brian


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Re: Load balancing [7:16738]

2001-08-21 Thread Peter Van Oene

HSRP and interface tracking seems viable to me


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On 8/21/2001 at 6:06 PM Kim Quang Vo wrote:

>I am using 2 routers of 2610. (router A og B)
>router A and B in the same LAN.
>
>serial interface of A og B connection to two others ISP routers.
>
>LAN using default gateway Router A.
>A and B using static route to ISP routers.
>How can I run load balancing, any way if router A falls  , or serial
>connection breaks down, can router B takes over ?
>
>
>Regards,
>
>
>Kim




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Re: For FR Grus.... [7:16635]

2001-08-21 Thread Engelhard M. Labiro

Hi Cisco Lover,

Looks like the DLCIs advertised by the FR-Switch,
try use "no frame-relay inversearp" to disable
the spokes router keeps hearing the DLCIs from FR-Switch.

HTH

> Oopss
>
> Sorry guys...I donto know where it lost in b/w..Any way..I have write it
> here again.
>
> Thanks for the kind replies..
> For eg,
>
> our FR switch is setup for Full mesh,But out network is setup as Hub &
Spoke
> environment.In that case there must be some unused DLCI's on spoke routers
> which we would still be seeing as active on these routers although they
> would be  of no use offcourse for this envioronmetnt.
> Is there any way If we can get rid of these DLCIS on the spokes.i.e  to
> disable them or USE any  method which block them to be appearing on spoek
> routers.(without touching FR switch)
>
> I know Must be confusing for majority here ..But ..
>
> I AM SURE I WILL GET THE SOLUTION  HERE AS WELL.
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Cisco Lover"
> >Reply-To: "Cisco Lover"
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> >Subject: For FR Grus [7:16635]
> >Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 07:06:08 -0400
> >
> >Hi Guys..
> >
> >Come with some New Queston..
> >
> >For eg,
> >our FR switch is setup for Full mesh,But out network is setup as Hub &
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Re: Load balancing [7:16738]

2001-08-21 Thread Ednilson Rosa

You could run load balancing by pointing two default routes on router A,
onde to it's ISP and another to router B. Make sure both have the same
administrative distance. To make router B take over when router A fails, use
HSRP (Hot Standby Routing Protocol) so router B will become your default
gateway when A fails.

Take a look on HSRP here:

http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/cc/so/cuso/epso/entdes/hsrp_wp.htm

Regards,

Ednilson Rosa

- Original Message -
From: "Kim Quang Vo" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 7:06 PM
Subject: Load balancing [7:16738]


I am using 2 routers of 2610. (router A og B)
router A and B in the same LAN.

serial interface of A og B connection to two others ISP routers.

LAN using default gateway Router A.
A and B using static route to ISP routers.
How can I run load balancing, any way if router A falls  , or serial
connection breaks down, can router B takes over ?


Regards,


Kim




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Re: tough VPN question [7:16739]

2001-08-21 Thread Paul Jin

Is WINs configured correctly for the clients?  

I am assuming that the clients were added to the domain before you started
having problems.  Can you add another wks to the domain?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> Most likley becuase DNS is not configured, can you ping your
> domain
> controllers by host name ?
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
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>
> Please
> respond
> to
> Jim
> Bond
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I'm trying to set up a IPSec between a PIX (branch
> office) and router (central office). All PCs at branch
> office share 1 ip address. IPSec seems to be working
> fine because clients can ping/telnet/email/map drives
> from/to central office. The problem is they can't
> logon NT domain. They can ping domain controller
> though.
> 
> Any idea why they can't log on NT domain? (The
> machines were already added to domain)
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> 
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Re: tough VPN question [7:16739]

2001-08-21 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Most likley becuase DNS is not configured, can you ping your domain
controllers by host name ?




   
   
Jim
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respond
to
Jim
Bond
   
   
   
   




Hello,

I'm trying to set up a IPSec between a PIX (branch
office) and router (central office). All PCs at branch
office share 1 ip address. IPSec seems to be working
fine because clients can ping/telnet/email/map drives
from/to central office. The problem is they can't
logon NT domain. They can ping domain controller
though.

Any idea why they can't log on NT domain? (The
machines were already added to domain)

Thanks in advance.


Jim

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Load balancing [7:16738]

2001-08-21 Thread Kim Quang Vo

I am using 2 routers of 2610. (router A og B)
router A and B in the same LAN.

serial interface of A og B connection to two others ISP routers.

LAN using default gateway Router A.
A and B using static route to ISP routers.
How can I run load balancing, any way if router A falls  , or serial
connection breaks down, can router B takes over ?


Regards,


Kim




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RE: CAR, is it a decent solution? [7:16737]

2001-08-21 Thread Shojayi Joe

The way I understand it and when I used it in our lab environment CAR works
good. You can rate-limit per IP, IP block, or all traffic as an aggregate.
DCAR is where the processing is distributed to the VIP. So I don't see how a
2600 could use that. Of course on an interface that use a VIP card, if you
go into the interface itself, you can tell it to use only cef and not dcef
by typing ip cef only. Car can rate-limit using access-list which the
rate-limit can references. You can also create a "access-list rate-limit".
CAR uses the token bucket scheme. There is one bucket for each list, unless
you use the continue option, then your flow may match several limits. You
can set the TOS bit or IP precendence with CAR as well. You can make it so
that the flow compared to one rate-limit then continues on to as many other
rate-limits as you would like. The key I think to CAR is to remember that
the rate-limit looks at the flows, but acts as an aggregate.


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RE: HELP!! The Cisco Code & Windows XP [7:16604]

2001-08-21 Thread Peter Slow

the buisness guys only know about layers 8, 9 and 10...
-humboldt



-Original Message-
From: Tom Lisa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 5:15 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: HELP!! The Cisco Code & Windows XP [7:16604]


Priscilla,

I find that whiskey flavored lattes are best for Mondays & really stressful
situations.

Prof. Tom Lisa, CCAI
Community College of Southern Nevada
Cisco Regional Networking Academy



Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote:

> I wish that Networking 101 was required in schools. Then even the
> Management by Business Week types would know about the 7 layers and that
> the operating system, which generally deals with local file management and
> I/O, should not matter when considering traffic going through routers and
> switches.
>
> In actuality, there may be issues because the TCP/IP stack and other
> protocols are part of the operating system and they could be buggy, but if
> they are standard and not buggy, then there shouldn't be an issue.
>
> I don't mean to flame the person that asked. It can't hurt to do some
> research, and there was that one bug with 802.1x security and Catalyst
5000
> switches connecting PCs running Windows XP, but that kind of thing
> shouldn't happen. On the other hand, both Cisco and Microsoft like to take
> simple concepts (like bridging, etc.) and make them so complicated that
> bugs are bound to happen.
>
> We run an ISP among other things. I wish that our users would take the
> basic networking class also. This morning someone called and said she had
> an error message about running out of server space. So I talked to her
> about not keeping mail on the server. She said, "you mean I can't keep
> messages in my In Box?" Sigh. Networking 101 would have a short section on
> client/server architecture too.
>
> Sorry for the babbling. Haven't had my latte yet.
>
> Priscilla
>
> At 12:05 AM 8/21/01, Chuck Larrieu wrote:
> >I'm sure you've had your fair share of smart remarks by now. So I won't
add
> >my own. I will remark that in fairness to your boss, there is probably
> >something he has heard or read which caused him to look for reassurance.
> >
> >for example, is there a concern with VPN compatibility of operation using
> >Win XP VPN client software? is there a security concern based upon
published
> >writings about the XP TCP stack?
> >
> >if the question is "will Cisco routers pass traffic generated by XP
> >machines?" the answer is "sure. why not" after all, there is nothing in
an
> >IP or a TCP header that indicates the type of host OS that originates the
> >packet. as long as the traffic is contained in valid packets, the router
> >will pass process them. knowing that, may I recommend you sit down with
the
> >boss and ask what his concerns are. what has he read? what has he heard?
why
> >would he think there is reason to be concerned? hell, he could be a
victim
> >of MBBW ( Management By Business Week - where the president of the
company
> >saw something in Business Week Magazine over the weekend and on Monday
> >morning told your boss to investigate and come back with report. ;->
> >
> >( and yes, I know some bosses are "she" )
> >
> >Chuck
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> >Ray Smith
> >Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 5:38 PM
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: HELP!! The Cisco Code & Windows XP [7:16604]
> >
> >
> >Guys,
> >
> >After my boss delegated me to research all I can about what is need to
> >upgrade if necessary our Cisco routers and switches to work with
Windows-XP,
> >I was only able to assert from information on the web that there is a bug
in
> >the switch software that is incompatible with XP.
> >
> >Does anyone here know of any valuable information that can help me with
> >compiling an educated assessment of this research?  Is anyone out there
> >knowledgeable of this issue either from personal experience or from
> >literature?  I would really appreciate some feedback.
> >
> >The only problems that I have actually heard of thus far is that which
> >occurred during the beta test that brought down one of Xerox's network.
I
> >understand that there is a patch that is available as a fix, in addition
to
> >the option of upgrading the Switch code.  My question is: -
> >
> >a). Does the incompatibility only exist with the Switch software or with
the
> >router IOS as
> >  well?
> >
> >b). Is the patch the best way of dealing with the problem?
> >
> >I appreciate any help that I can get.  Thanks
> >
> >
> >_
> >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at
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non-volatile configuration memory size [7:16735]

2001-08-21 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I have a scenario where we're using a couple Distributed Directors to load
balance sites but I'm worried that the config will get to be too large.  By
default it's set to 32Kcan I use the boot buffersize command to increase
that memory or is that only for booting from the network?  If the boot
buffersize command can't be used does anybody know of a way to increase
beyond the default 32K size?

Thanks,
Daniel




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Promiscous interface and remote users [7:16734]

2001-08-21 Thread Subba Rao

Hi,

We have 2 sniffer systems on NT and on Unix. The sniffer puts the ethernet
interfaces
on both the systems in promiscuous mode. Currently we are not worried about
any local
users on the system. Are there any threats from remote users on the
promiscuous interface,
on either system? When I say "remote users", I am talking about John Doe on
our network who
has no business with either of these system. John Doe could be on Internet
as well but has
no user accounts on these systems. Would he get any vulnerable information
from the sniffer
interfaces on either system?

Thank you in advance for any info.
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RE: Ethernet interface as DHCP client? [7:16724]

2001-08-21 Thread Ole Drews Jensen

You don't need IP PLUS for this.

Hth,

Ole

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-Original Message-
From: Peter Slow [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 4:03 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Ethernet interface as DHCP client? [7:16724]


yuppers.
HEY MY EMAIL WORKS!
...but anyway, as of IOS  12.1.2(T)
the command "ip address dhcp" is functional.
..it works, too.
put a T-train image later than 12.1.2 on yer router, and you'll be all set.
I am not sure if you need ip plus for this. i dont think so, but it's
posssible.


-Original Message-
From: Leigh Anne Chisholm [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 4:33 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Ethernet interface as DHCP client? [7:16724]


I'm playing around with this and I've been concentrating my focus on EasyIP.
It would appear that only dialer interfaces are able to obtain an address
via DHCP.  I want my Ethernet interface to get an IP address dynamically.
Has anyone done this?  Can anyone give me some guidance if it is possible.
IS it possible?


  -- Leigh Anne




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CAR, is it a decent solution? [7:16732]

2001-08-21 Thread Lupi, Guy

I was wondering if anyone on the list has had experience working with CAR in
a large environment.  How well does a 2600 handle 20 seperate rate limited
IP blocks?  How well does distributed CAR work?  How does it perform, and
does it cause a problem with any other things running on a router?  Thank
you in advance.




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Re: HELP!! The Cisco Code & Windows XP [7:16604]

2001-08-21 Thread Tom Lisa

Priscilla,

I find that whiskey flavored lattes are best for Mondays & really stressful
situations.

Prof. Tom Lisa, CCAI
Community College of Southern Nevada
Cisco Regional Networking Academy



Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote:

> I wish that Networking 101 was required in schools. Then even the
> Management by Business Week types would know about the 7 layers and that
> the operating system, which generally deals with local file management and
> I/O, should not matter when considering traffic going through routers and
> switches.
>
> In actuality, there may be issues because the TCP/IP stack and other
> protocols are part of the operating system and they could be buggy, but if
> they are standard and not buggy, then there shouldn't be an issue.
>
> I don't mean to flame the person that asked. It can't hurt to do some
> research, and there was that one bug with 802.1x security and Catalyst 5000
> switches connecting PCs running Windows XP, but that kind of thing
> shouldn't happen. On the other hand, both Cisco and Microsoft like to take
> simple concepts (like bridging, etc.) and make them so complicated that
> bugs are bound to happen.
>
> We run an ISP among other things. I wish that our users would take the
> basic networking class also. This morning someone called and said she had
> an error message about running out of server space. So I talked to her
> about not keeping mail on the server. She said, "you mean I can't keep
> messages in my In Box?" Sigh. Networking 101 would have a short section on
> client/server architecture too.
>
> Sorry for the babbling. Haven't had my latte yet.
>
> Priscilla
>
> At 12:05 AM 8/21/01, Chuck Larrieu wrote:
> >I'm sure you've had your fair share of smart remarks by now. So I won't
add
> >my own. I will remark that in fairness to your boss, there is probably
> >something he has heard or read which caused him to look for reassurance.
> >
> >for example, is there a concern with VPN compatibility of operation using
> >Win XP VPN client software? is there a security concern based upon
published
> >writings about the XP TCP stack?
> >
> >if the question is "will Cisco routers pass traffic generated by XP
> >machines?" the answer is "sure. why not" after all, there is nothing in an
> >IP or a TCP header that indicates the type of host OS that originates the
> >packet. as long as the traffic is contained in valid packets, the router
> >will pass process them. knowing that, may I recommend you sit down with
the
> >boss and ask what his concerns are. what has he read? what has he heard?
why
> >would he think there is reason to be concerned? hell, he could be a victim
> >of MBBW ( Management By Business Week - where the president of the company
> >saw something in Business Week Magazine over the weekend and on Monday
> >morning told your boss to investigate and come back with report. ;->
> >
> >( and yes, I know some bosses are "she" )
> >
> >Chuck
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> >Ray Smith
> >Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 5:38 PM
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: HELP!! The Cisco Code & Windows XP [7:16604]
> >
> >
> >Guys,
> >
> >After my boss delegated me to research all I can about what is need to
> >upgrade if necessary our Cisco routers and switches to work with
Windows-XP,
> >I was only able to assert from information on the web that there is a bug
in
> >the switch software that is incompatible with XP.
> >
> >Does anyone here know of any valuable information that can help me with
> >compiling an educated assessment of this research?  Is anyone out there
> >knowledgeable of this issue either from personal experience or from
> >literature?  I would really appreciate some feedback.
> >
> >The only problems that I have actually heard of thus far is that which
> >occurred during the beta test that brought down one of Xerox's network.  I
> >understand that there is a patch that is available as a fix, in addition
to
> >the option of upgrading the Switch code.  My question is: -
> >
> >a). Does the incompatibility only exist with the Switch software or with
the
> >router IOS as
> >  well?
> >
> >b). Is the patch the best way of dealing with the problem?
> >
> >I appreciate any help that I can get.  Thanks
> >
> >
> >_
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> 
>
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RE: Ethernet interface as DHCP client? [7:16724]

2001-08-21 Thread Peter Slow

yuppers.
HEY MY EMAIL WORKS!
...but anyway, as of IOS  12.1.2(T)
the command "ip address dhcp" is functional.
..it works, too.
put a T-train image later than 12.1.2 on yer router, and you'll be all set.
I am not sure if you need ip plus for this. i dont think so, but it's
posssible.


-Original Message-
From: Leigh Anne Chisholm [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 4:33 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Ethernet interface as DHCP client? [7:16724]


I'm playing around with this and I've been concentrating my focus on EasyIP.
It would appear that only dialer interfaces are able to obtain an address
via DHCP.  I want my Ethernet interface to get an IP address dynamically.
Has anyone done this?  Can anyone give me some guidance if it is possible.
IS it possible?


  -- Leigh Anne




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RE: Ethernet interface as DHCP client? [7:16724]

2001-08-21 Thread Peter Slow

Who posted it!?


-Original Message-
From: Leigh Anne Chisholm [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 4:43 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Ethernet interface as DHCP client? [7:16724]


Found my answer.  One lonely little reference in a ton of hits in the
Groupstudy archives that I've been combing through...

"ip address dhcp".  Introduced in IOS 12.1(2)T.

-Original Message-
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Leigh Anne Chisholm
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 2:33 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Ethernet interface as DHCP client? [7:16724]


I'm playing around with this and I've been concentrating my focus on EasyIP.
It would appear that only dialer interfaces are able to obtain an address
via DHCP.  I want my Ethernet interface to get an IP address dynamically.
Has anyone done this?  Can anyone give me some guidance if it is possible.
IS it possible?


  -- Leigh Anne




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RE: CHALLENGE PROBLEM (was Re: For FR Grus.... [7:16635]) [7:16728]

2001-08-21 Thread Brian

On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Arun Upadhyay wrote:

> If the clients are on different layer 3 network,
> then that should be configured as point to point
> network. If they are on same network then they can use
> point to multipoint.

Well, not really.  In practice its fine to put bridged customers on a
single multipoint and use different layer3 networks. Why would you do
this?  Well, in early DSL rollouts, things on Cisco routers like IDB's,
BVI's, etc were limited resources..some routers could only do 300
even.  So you would lump many DSL customers in on one multipoint
interface.

> I think in the given senerio, it should be configured
> as point to point network.

Yes, ideally, but its sort of like a typical Cisco or CCIE type problem,
where the configuration is valid, but doesn't necessarly make sense or
would be the best way to do it.  Its just to demonstrate the issue or port
blocking on a bridge.

>
>  Arun
>
> --- Brian  wrote:
> > No one has gotten this problem yet.  Remeber, making
> > it so the clients are
> > on differnt layer 3 networks works, but when they
> > are on the same it
> > doesn't.  What mechanics are involved in how the
> > packet will be treated
> > different if on the same network vs. different
> > networks.
> >
> > I'll still leave the answer open, someone will get
> > this.
> >
> > Brian
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Wayne Wenthin wrote:
> >
> > > To me this looks very similar to bridging with
> > DSL.  Since you cannot
> > > receive the ARP the router must proxy this.
> > >
> > > At 09:52 AM 8/21/2001, McCallum, Robert wrote:
> > > >you can correct me here if I am wrong but split
> > horizon is only used in
> > > >distance vector protocols NO???
> > > >
> > > >The problem here without giving the answer is
> > that a router is expected to
> > > >pass a packet out of an interface which is on its
> > own subnet !!  Doesn't
> > > >compute!  What is the routing protocol being used
> > to route ip??  This is
> > > >where the answer will lye
> > > >
> > > >-Original Message-
> > > >From: Donald B Johnson jr
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > >Sent: 21 August 2001 17:06
> > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >Subject: Re: CHALLENGE PROBLEM (was Re: For FR
> > Grus [7:16635])
> > > >[7:16681]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >I don't think bridge will work on this network
> > because of split horizon.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >- Original Message -
> > > >From: "Brian"
> > > >To:
> > > >Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 7:51 AM
> > > >Subject: CHALLENGE PROBLEM (was Re: For FR
> > Grus [7:16635]) [7:16659]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Cisco Lover wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Guys..
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Come with some New Queston..
> > > > >
> > > > > hmm, ok, so your looking for some challenging
> > questions? Ok, I will
> > post
> > > > > one, its got FR in it.  First I'll post the
> > problem, followed by the
> > > > > config:
> > > > >
> > > > > THE PROBLEM
> > > > > ===
> > > > > Users on DLCI's 200, 224, 201, 225 cannot
> > communicate to eachother.
> > They
> > > > > can talk just fine to the rest of the network,
> > but no packets can pass
> > > > > between them.  Later discovery reveals that so
> > long as they are on
> > > > > different layer 3 network addressing,
> > communcation can occur, but if
> > they
> > > > > are on the same network, such as 192.168.3.0,
> > then they cannot
> > > communicate
> > > > >
> > > > > What is the problem?  I will reply to let
> > everyone know who got the
> > > > > correct answer.
> > > > >
> > > > > Below is the configuration:
> > > > >
> > > > > !
> > > > > version 11.3
> > > > > !
> > > > > interface Ethernet2/0
> > > > >  ip address 192.168.1.242 255.255.255.0
> > > > > !
> > > > > interface Serial4/0
> > > > >  no ip address
> > > > >  encapsulation frame-relay IETF
> > > > >  keepalive 15
> > > > >  frame-relay map bridge 200 broadcast IETF
> > > > >  frame-relay map bridge 224 broadcast IETF
> > > > >  frame-relay map bridge 201 broadcast IETF
> > > > >  frame-relay map bridge 225 broadcast IETF
> > > > >  frame-relay lmi-type ansi
> > > > >  bridge-group 1
> > > > > !
> > > > > interface BVI1
> > > > >  ip address 192.168.3.242 255.255.255.0
> > secondary
> > > > >  ip address 192.168.2.242 255.255.255.0
> > > > >
> > > > > !
> > > > > router igrp 1
> > > > >  network 192.1.0.0
> > > > >  network 192.2.0.0
> > > > >  network 193.3.0.0
> > > > > !
> > > > > ip classless
> > > > > !
> > > > > bridge irb
> > > > >  bridge 1 protocol ieee
> > > > >  bridge 1 route ip
> > > > > !
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For eg,
> > > > > > our FR switch is setup for Full mesh,But out
> > network is setup as Hub
> > &
> > > > > Spoke
> > > > > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info:
> > > > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
> > > > > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure
> > violations to
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > 

RE: CHALLENGE PROBLEM (was Re: For FR Grus.... [7:16635]) [7:16727]

2001-08-21 Thread Brian

On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Patrick Ramsey wrote:

> How about get rid of igrp and configure ospf in nbma mode?  :)

the igrp has nothing to do with the problem though, its a bridging
problem, someone had posted the solution.

Brian


>
> -Patrick
>
> >>> "Brian"  08/21/01 02:10PM >>>
> No one has gotten this problem yet.  Remeber, making it so the clients are
> on differnt layer 3 networks works, but when they are on the same it
> doesn't.  What mechanics are involved in how the packet will be treated
> different if on the same network vs. different networks.
>
> I'll still leave the answer open, someone will get this.
>
> Brian
>
>
> On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Wayne Wenthin wrote:
>
> > To me this looks very similar to bridging with DSL.  Since you cannot
> > receive the ARP the router must proxy this.
> >
> > At 09:52 AM 8/21/2001, McCallum, Robert wrote:
> > >you can correct me here if I am wrong but split horizon is only used in
> > >distance vector protocols NO???
> > >
> > >The problem here without giving the answer is that a router is expected
to
> > >pass a packet out of an interface which is on its own subnet !!  Doesn't
> > >compute!  What is the routing protocol being used to route ip??  This is
> > >where the answer will lye
> > >
> > >-Original Message-
> > >From: Donald B Johnson jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > >Sent: 21 August 2001 17:06
> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >Subject: Re: CHALLENGE PROBLEM (was Re: For FR Grus [7:16635])
> > >[7:16681]
> > >
> > >
> > >I don't think bridge will work on this network because of split horizon.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >- Original Message -
> > >From: "Brian"
> > >To:
> > >Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 7:51 AM
> > >Subject: CHALLENGE PROBLEM (was Re: For FR Grus [7:16635]) [7:16659]
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Cisco Lover wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Guys..
> > > > >
> > > > > Come with some New Queston..
> > > >
> > > > hmm, ok, so your looking for some challenging questions? Ok, I will
> post
> > > > one, its got FR in it.  First I'll post the problem, followed by the
> > > > config:
> > > >
> > > > THE PROBLEM
> > > > ===
> > > > Users on DLCI's 200, 224, 201, 225 cannot communicate to eachother.
> They
> > > > can talk just fine to the rest of the network, but no packets can
pass
> > > > between them.  Later discovery reveals that so long as they are on
> > > > different layer 3 network addressing, communcation can occur, but if
> they
> > > > are on the same network, such as 192.168.3.0, then they cannot
> > communicate
> > > >
> > > > What is the problem?  I will reply to let everyone know who got the
> > > > correct answer.
> > > >
> > > > Below is the configuration:
> > > >
> > > > !
> > > > version 11.3
> > > > !
> > > > interface Ethernet2/0
> > > >  ip address 192.168.1.242 255.255.255.0
> > > > !
> > > > interface Serial4/0
> > > >  no ip address
> > > >  encapsulation frame-relay IETF
> > > >  keepalive 15
> > > >  frame-relay map bridge 200 broadcast IETF
> > > >  frame-relay map bridge 224 broadcast IETF
> > > >  frame-relay map bridge 201 broadcast IETF
> > > >  frame-relay map bridge 225 broadcast IETF
> > > >  frame-relay lmi-type ansi
> > > >  bridge-group 1
> > > > !
> > > > interface BVI1
> > > >  ip address 192.168.3.242 255.255.255.0 secondary
> > > >  ip address 192.168.2.242 255.255.255.0
> > > >
> > > > !
> > > > router igrp 1
> > > >  network 192.1.0.0
> > > >  network 192.2.0.0
> > > >  network 193.3.0.0
> > > > !
> > > > ip classless
> > > > !
> > > > bridge irb
> > > >  bridge 1 protocol ieee
> > > >  bridge 1 route ip
> > > > !
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > For eg,
> > > > > our FR switch is setup for Full mesh,But out network is setup as
Hub
> &
> > > > Spoke
> > > > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info:
> > > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
> > > > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ---
> > > > I'm buying / selling used CISCO gear!!
> > > > email me for a quote
> > > >
> > > > Brian Feeny, CCIE #8036   Scarlett Parria
> > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > 318-213-4709  318-213-4701
> > > >
> > > > Netjam, LLC   http://www.netjam.net
> > > > 333 Texas St.VISA/MC/AMEX/COD
> > > > Suite 1401   30 day warranty
> > > > Shreveport, LA 71101   Cisco Channel Partner
> > > > toll free: 866-2NETJAM
> > > > phone:318-212-0245
> > > > fax:318-212-0246
> I'm buying / selling used CISCO gear!!
> email me for a quote
>
> Brian Feeny, CCIE #8036   Scarlett Parria
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 318-213-4709  318-213-4701
>
> Netjam, LLC http://www.netjam.net
> 333 Texas St.   VISA/MC/AMEX/COD
> Suite 1401  30 day warranty
> Shreveport, LA 71101Cisco Channel Partner
> toll free: 866-2NETJAM
> phone:   

RE: Ethernet interface as DHCP client? [7:16724]

2001-08-21 Thread Leigh Anne Chisholm

Found my answer.  One lonely little reference in a ton of hits in the
Groupstudy archives that I've been combing through...

"ip address dhcp".  Introduced in IOS 12.1(2)T.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Leigh Anne Chisholm
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 2:33 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Ethernet interface as DHCP client? [7:16724]


I'm playing around with this and I've been concentrating my focus on EasyIP.
It would appear that only dialer interfaces are able to obtain an address
via DHCP.  I want my Ethernet interface to get an IP address dynamically.
Has anyone done this?  Can anyone give me some guidance if it is possible.
IS it possible?


  -- Leigh Anne




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Re: books on PIX? [7:16720]

2001-08-21 Thread Allen May

I don't know of any "books" but all of the manuals can be found here:
http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/iaabu/pix/

Allen

- Original Message -
From: "sam sneed" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 3:09 PM
Subject: books on PIX? [7:16720]


> Anyone know of any good introductory books on PIX firewalls? Something
nice
> and simple that has a beginning, middle, and an ending.(Most authors of
tech
> books miss this concept). I'd rather not have to jump around in CCO land
> getting snippets of different functionalities that I probably would never
> have to implement. Just the basics. Thanks.
>
>
> Sam Sneed




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August 25th Washington DC Router Roast [7:16723]

2001-08-21 Thread Bruce Evry

Dear Friends,

We will be holding the Cisco Professional Association - DC August
 meeting and picnic on Saturday August 25, 2001.

Because the ceiling in my living room is finally getting fixed,
 this being 7 years after the tornado damaged our roof, we are NOT holding
 this meeting at my house.

Bob Lowery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) has graciously offered to host
 the August meeting at his house:

6661 Mohawk Ct, Columbia, MD 21046

Directions and Map are available from www.mapquest.com

The meeting will start at 10 am.
Lunch will be around noon.
Meeting ends at 4 pm.

Our guest speaker this time will be LT. Benedict Eu, PhD, who will
 be discussing the recent Networkers conference, including such topics as
 the CCIE Power Session.

As part of the day's festivities we are doing a Cisco Swapmeet.
Bring stuff you want to sell and a list of things you'd like to buy.
Bob also says that he has a bunch of Cisco gear that just came in
 which he is offering for sale. Should be great for those of you trying to
 build your Cisco home labs.

As per usual, please bring yourselves, laptops, etc.
We will be doing hands-on labs in the afternoon.

Please bring Sodas, Snacks, and Dessert foods to share!

You are all hereby invited, see you at the Router Roast!

Yours Truly - Bruce Evry, CPA-DC

 PS - we are going to offer Basic Cisco (ccna level) courses to help
 get more equipment for our Lab here, if interested please send
E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 (after we get more equipment we'll go on and do higher-level stuff!)




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Ethernet interface as DHCP client? [7:16724]

2001-08-21 Thread Leigh Anne Chisholm

I'm playing around with this and I've been concentrating my focus on EasyIP.
It would appear that only dialer interfaces are able to obtain an address
via DHCP.  I want my Ethernet interface to get an IP address dynamically.
Has anyone done this?  Can anyone give me some guidance if it is possible.
IS it possible?


  -- Leigh Anne




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RE: CHALLENGE PROBLEM (was Re: For FR Grus.... [7:16635]) [7:16722]

2001-08-21 Thread Patrick Ramsey

How about get rid of igrp and configure ospf in nbma mode?  :)

-Patrick

>>> "Brian"  08/21/01 02:10PM >>>
No one has gotten this problem yet.  Remeber, making it so the clients are
on differnt layer 3 networks works, but when they are on the same it
doesn't.  What mechanics are involved in how the packet will be treated
different if on the same network vs. different networks.

I'll still leave the answer open, someone will get this.

Brian


On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Wayne Wenthin wrote:

> To me this looks very similar to bridging with DSL.  Since you cannot
> receive the ARP the router must proxy this.
>
> At 09:52 AM 8/21/2001, McCallum, Robert wrote:
> >you can correct me here if I am wrong but split horizon is only used in
> >distance vector protocols NO???
> >
> >The problem here without giving the answer is that a router is expected to
> >pass a packet out of an interface which is on its own subnet !!  Doesn't
> >compute!  What is the routing protocol being used to route ip??  This is
> >where the answer will lye
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Donald B Johnson jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> >Sent: 21 August 2001 17:06
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> >Subject: Re: CHALLENGE PROBLEM (was Re: For FR Grus [7:16635])
> >[7:16681]
> >
> >
> >I don't think bridge will work on this network because of split horizon.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >- Original Message -
> >From: "Brian"
> >To:
> >Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 7:51 AM
> >Subject: CHALLENGE PROBLEM (was Re: For FR Grus [7:16635]) [7:16659]
> >
> >
> > > On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Cisco Lover wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Guys..
> > > >
> > > > Come with some New Queston..
> > >
> > > hmm, ok, so your looking for some challenging questions? Ok, I will
post
> > > one, its got FR in it.  First I'll post the problem, followed by the
> > > config:
> > >
> > > THE PROBLEM
> > > ===
> > > Users on DLCI's 200, 224, 201, 225 cannot communicate to eachother. 
They
> > > can talk just fine to the rest of the network, but no packets can pass
> > > between them.  Later discovery reveals that so long as they are on
> > > different layer 3 network addressing, communcation can occur, but if
they
> > > are on the same network, such as 192.168.3.0, then they cannot
> communicate
> > >
> > > What is the problem?  I will reply to let everyone know who got the
> > > correct answer.
> > >
> > > Below is the configuration:
> > >
> > > !
> > > version 11.3
> > > !
> > > interface Ethernet2/0
> > >  ip address 192.168.1.242 255.255.255.0
> > > !
> > > interface Serial4/0
> > >  no ip address
> > >  encapsulation frame-relay IETF
> > >  keepalive 15
> > >  frame-relay map bridge 200 broadcast IETF
> > >  frame-relay map bridge 224 broadcast IETF
> > >  frame-relay map bridge 201 broadcast IETF
> > >  frame-relay map bridge 225 broadcast IETF
> > >  frame-relay lmi-type ansi
> > >  bridge-group 1
> > > !
> > > interface BVI1
> > >  ip address 192.168.3.242 255.255.255.0 secondary
> > >  ip address 192.168.2.242 255.255.255.0
> > >
> > > !
> > > router igrp 1
> > >  network 192.1.0.0
> > >  network 192.2.0.0
> > >  network 193.3.0.0
> > > !
> > > ip classless
> > > !
> > > bridge irb
> > >  bridge 1 protocol ieee
> > >  bridge 1 route ip
> > > !
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > For eg,
> > > > our FR switch is setup for Full mesh,But out network is setup as Hub
&
> > > Spoke
> > > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info:
> > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html 
> > > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ---
> > > I'm buying / selling used CISCO gear!!
> > > email me for a quote
> > >
> > > Brian Feeny, CCIE #8036   Scarlett Parria
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > > 318-213-4709  318-213-4701
> > >
> > > Netjam, LLC   http://www.netjam.net 
> > > 333 Texas St.VISA/MC/AMEX/COD
> > > Suite 1401   30 day warranty
> > > Shreveport, LA 71101   Cisco Channel Partner
> > > toll free: 866-2NETJAM
> > > phone:318-212-0245
> > > fax:318-212-0246
I'm buying / selling used CISCO gear!!
email me for a quote

Brian Feeny, CCIE #8036   Scarlett Parria
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
318-213-4709  318-213-4701

Netjam, LLC   http://www.netjam.net 
333 Texas St. VISA/MC/AMEX/COD
Suite 140130 day warranty
Shreveport, LA 71101  Cisco Channel Partner
toll free: 866-2NETJAM
phone: 318-212-0245
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books on PIX? [7:16720]

2001-08-21 Thread sam sneed

Anyone know of any good introductory books on PIX firewalls? Something nice
and simple that has a beginning, middle, and an ending.(Most authors of tech
books miss this concept). I'd rather not have to jump around in CCO land
getting snippets of different functionalities that I probably would never
have to implement. Just the basics. Thanks.


Sam Sneed




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Re: Access-Lists [7:16693]

2001-08-21 Thread newbie newbie

Thanks for the input Dennis, I will check it out. 

James



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RE: CHALLENGE PROBLEM (was Re: For FR Grus.... [7:16635]) [7:16719]

2001-08-21 Thread Arun Upadhyay

If the clients are on different layer 3 network,
then that should be configured as point to point
network. If they are on same network then they can use
point to multipoint.
I think in the given senerio, it should be configured
as point to point network.

 Arun

--- Brian  wrote:
> No one has gotten this problem yet.  Remeber, making
> it so the clients are
> on differnt layer 3 networks works, but when they
> are on the same it
> doesn't.  What mechanics are involved in how the
> packet will be treated
> different if on the same network vs. different
> networks.
> 
> I'll still leave the answer open, someone will get
> this.
> 
> Brian
> 
> 
> On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Wayne Wenthin wrote:
> 
> > To me this looks very similar to bridging with
> DSL.  Since you cannot
> > receive the ARP the router must proxy this.
> >
> > At 09:52 AM 8/21/2001, McCallum, Robert wrote:
> > >you can correct me here if I am wrong but split
> horizon is only used in
> > >distance vector protocols NO???
> > >
> > >The problem here without giving the answer is
> that a router is expected to
> > >pass a packet out of an interface which is on its
> own subnet !!  Doesn't
> > >compute!  What is the routing protocol being used
> to route ip??  This is
> > >where the answer will lye
> > >
> > >-Original Message-
> > >From: Donald B Johnson jr
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > >Sent: 21 August 2001 17:06
> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >Subject: Re: CHALLENGE PROBLEM (was Re: For FR
> Grus [7:16635])
> > >[7:16681]
> > >
> > >
> > >I don't think bridge will work on this network
> because of split horizon.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >- Original Message -
> > >From: "Brian"
> > >To:
> > >Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 7:51 AM
> > >Subject: CHALLENGE PROBLEM (was Re: For FR
> Grus [7:16635]) [7:16659]
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Cisco Lover wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Guys..
> > > > >
> > > > > Come with some New Queston..
> > > >
> > > > hmm, ok, so your looking for some challenging
> questions? Ok, I will
> post
> > > > one, its got FR in it.  First I'll post the
> problem, followed by the
> > > > config:
> > > >
> > > > THE PROBLEM
> > > > ===
> > > > Users on DLCI's 200, 224, 201, 225 cannot
> communicate to eachother. 
> They
> > > > can talk just fine to the rest of the network,
> but no packets can pass
> > > > between them.  Later discovery reveals that so
> long as they are on
> > > > different layer 3 network addressing,
> communcation can occur, but if
> they
> > > > are on the same network, such as 192.168.3.0,
> then they cannot
> > communicate
> > > >
> > > > What is the problem?  I will reply to let
> everyone know who got the
> > > > correct answer.
> > > >
> > > > Below is the configuration:
> > > >
> > > > !
> > > > version 11.3
> > > > !
> > > > interface Ethernet2/0
> > > >  ip address 192.168.1.242 255.255.255.0
> > > > !
> > > > interface Serial4/0
> > > >  no ip address
> > > >  encapsulation frame-relay IETF
> > > >  keepalive 15
> > > >  frame-relay map bridge 200 broadcast IETF
> > > >  frame-relay map bridge 224 broadcast IETF
> > > >  frame-relay map bridge 201 broadcast IETF
> > > >  frame-relay map bridge 225 broadcast IETF
> > > >  frame-relay lmi-type ansi
> > > >  bridge-group 1
> > > > !
> > > > interface BVI1
> > > >  ip address 192.168.3.242 255.255.255.0
> secondary
> > > >  ip address 192.168.2.242 255.255.255.0
> > > >
> > > > !
> > > > router igrp 1
> > > >  network 192.1.0.0
> > > >  network 192.2.0.0
> > > >  network 193.3.0.0
> > > > !
> > > > ip classless
> > > > !
> > > > bridge irb
> > > >  bridge 1 protocol ieee
> > > >  bridge 1 route ip
> > > > !
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > For eg,
> > > > > our FR switch is setup for Full mesh,But out
> network is setup as Hub
> &
> > > > Spoke
> > > > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info:
> > > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
> > > > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure
> violations to
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> ---
> > > > I'm buying / selling used CISCO gear!!
> > > > email me for a quote
> > > >
> > > > Brian Feeny, CCIE #8036   Scarlett Parria
> > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > 318-213-4709  318-213-4701
> > > >
> > > > Netjam, LLC   http://www.netjam.net
> > > > 333 Texas St.VISA/MC/AMEX/COD
> > > > Suite 1401   30 day warranty
> > > > Shreveport, LA 71101   Cisco Channel Partner
> > > > toll free: 866-2NETJAM
> > > > phone:318-212-0245
> > > > fax:318-212-0246
> I'm buying / selling used CISCO gear!!
> email me for a quote
> 
> Brian Feeny, CCIE #8036   Scarlett Parria
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 318-213-4709  318-213-4701
> 
> Netjam, LLC http://www.netjam.net
> 333 Texas St.   VISA/MC/AMEX/COD
> Suite 1401  30 day warranty
> Shreveport, LA 71101Cisc

RE: CHALLENGE PROBLEM (was Re: For FR Grus.... [7:16635]) [7:16718]

2001-08-21 Thread Brian

On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Gibson, Darrin wrote:

> Putting static routes on the remote routers pointing back to the hub router
> would work. Assuming the hub router has routes in it's routing table to all
> the remote routers.

that would not work.  There is something fundementally wrong with the
below config that prevents them from communicating.

>
> Darrin Gibson
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Wayne Wenthin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 12:29 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: CHALLENGE PROBLEM (was Re: For FR Grus [7:16635])
> [7:16702]
>
>
> To me this looks very similar to bridging with DSL.  Since you cannot
> receive the ARP the router must proxy this.
>
> At 09:52 AM 8/21/2001, McCallum, Robert wrote:
> >you can correct me here if I am wrong but split horizon is only used in
> >distance vector protocols NO???
> >
> >The problem here without giving the answer is that a router is expected to
> >pass a packet out of an interface which is on its own subnet !!  Doesn't
> >compute!  What is the routing protocol being used to route ip??  This is
> >where the answer will lye
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Donald B Johnson jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >Sent: 21 August 2001 17:06
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: CHALLENGE PROBLEM (was Re: For FR Grus [7:16635])
> >[7:16681]
> >
> >
> >I don't think bridge will work on this network because of split horizon.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >- Original Message -
> >From: "Brian"
> >To:
> >Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 7:51 AM
> >Subject: CHALLENGE PROBLEM (was Re: For FR Grus [7:16635]) [7:16659]
> >
> >
> > > On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Cisco Lover wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Guys..
> > > >
> > > > Come with some New Queston..
> > >
> > > hmm, ok, so your looking for some challenging questions? Ok, I will
post
> > > one, its got FR in it.  First I'll post the problem, followed by the
> > > config:
> > >
> > > THE PROBLEM
> > > ===
> > > Users on DLCI's 200, 224, 201, 225 cannot communicate to eachother.
> They
> > > can talk just fine to the rest of the network, but no packets can pass
> > > between them.  Later discovery reveals that so long as they are on
> > > different layer 3 network addressing, communcation can occur, but if
> they
> > > are on the same network, such as 192.168.3.0, then they cannot
> communicate
> > >
> > > What is the problem?  I will reply to let everyone know who got the
> > > correct answer.
> > >
> > > Below is the configuration:
> > >
> > > !
> > > version 11.3
> > > !
> > > interface Ethernet2/0
> > >  ip address 192.168.1.242 255.255.255.0
> > > !
> > > interface Serial4/0
> > >  no ip address
> > >  encapsulation frame-relay IETF
> > >  keepalive 15
> > >  frame-relay map bridge 200 broadcast IETF
> > >  frame-relay map bridge 224 broadcast IETF
> > >  frame-relay map bridge 201 broadcast IETF
> > >  frame-relay map bridge 225 broadcast IETF
> > >  frame-relay lmi-type ansi
> > >  bridge-group 1
> > > !
> > > interface BVI1
> > >  ip address 192.168.3.242 255.255.255.0 secondary
> > >  ip address 192.168.2.242 255.255.255.0
> > >
> > > !
> > > router igrp 1
> > >  network 192.1.0.0
> > >  network 192.2.0.0
> > >  network 193.3.0.0
> > > !
> > > ip classless
> > > !
> > > bridge irb
> > >  bridge 1 protocol ieee
> > >  bridge 1 route ip
> > > !
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > For eg,
> > > > our FR switch is setup for Full mesh,But out network is setup as Hub
&
> > > Spoke
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Re: What Router for Routing Between VLANS [7:16609]

2001-08-21 Thread Peter Van Oene

It's really the principal that one does not use layer three protocols to
govern layer two activities.


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On 8/21/2001 at 11:55 AM EA Louie wrote:

>Is that the same principle as "one does not route between LANs" ?
>
>or "bridge where you can, route where you must" ?
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Peter Van Oene" 
>To: "EA Louie" ; 
>Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 5:51 AM
>Subject: Re: What Router for Routing Between VLANS [7:16609]
>
>
>For clarity since VLANs are a pet peeve of mine, can we ask which router
>will route between trunked interfaces?  One does not route between VLANs,
>one routes between IP subnets with IP routers.
>
>
>
>*** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***
>
>On 8/21/2001 at 2:40 AM EA Louie wrote:
>
>>any router that supports VLAN trunking (802.1q or ISL).  The 2600 does if
>>equipped with a fastethernet interface.
>>see http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/473/50.shtml (I it got using a search
>>for intervlan routing)
>>which indicates the minimun router is the 2620
>>
>>- Original Message -
>>From: "Circusnuts"
>>To:
>>Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 7:23 PM
>>Subject: What Router for Routing Between VLANS [7:16609]
>>
>>
>>> I have lent out my CCNP books & do not remember all the router models
>>that
>>> can
>>> route between VLAN's.  I currently have a 4700M doing the job, but
>wanted
>>to
>>> know if a 2600 would route them.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Phil
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RE: CHALLENGE PROBLEM (was Re: For FR Grus.... [7:16635]) [7:16717]

2001-08-21 Thread Brian

On Tue, 21 Aug 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>
> I can think of two reason why it wouldn't work.
>
> 1.  Because you're using bridging on the frame relay links, it must adhere
> to the spanning tree rules.  This means that you cannot send traffic out
> the same interface you receive it on.  In this configuration it would mean
> that information received on a DLCI it would not be able to be forwarded
> out any of the other DLCIs because they are on the same physical interface

Yes the above is correct!

>
> 2.  You're using "frame map bridge" statements which disables inverse arp.
> You have to add static "frame map ip" statements for all the layer 3
> addresses.  This wouldn't explain why it works when the DLCIs are on
> different layer 3 networks though.

The above is not really a problem in whats below.  You can just put the
DLCI's on differnt layer3 networks and it will work as is below.


>
>
> Rob
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Brian @groupstudy.com on 08/21/2001 02:10:42 PM
>
> Please respond to Brian 
>
> Sent by:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
>
>
>
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> cc:
> Subject:  RE: CHALLENGE PROBLEM (was Re: For FR Grus [7:16635])
>   [7:16711]
>
>
> No one has gotten this problem yet.  Remeber, making it so the clients are
> on differnt layer 3 networks works, but when they are on the same it
> doesn't.  What mechanics are involved in how the packet will be treated
> different if on the same network vs. different networks.
>
> I'll still leave the answer open, someone will get this.
>
> Brian
>
>
> On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Wayne Wenthin wrote:
>
> > To me this looks very similar to bridging with DSL.  Since you cannot
> > receive the ARP the router must proxy this.
> >
> > At 09:52 AM 8/21/2001, McCallum, Robert wrote:
> > >you can correct me here if I am wrong but split horizon is only used in
> > >distance vector protocols NO???
> > >
> > >The problem here without giving the answer is that a router is expected
> to
> > >pass a packet out of an interface which is on its own subnet !!  Doesn't
> > >compute!  What is the routing protocol being used to route ip??  This is
> > >where the answer will lye
> > >
> > >-Original Message-
> > >From: Donald B Johnson jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > >Sent: 21 August 2001 17:06
> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >Subject: Re: CHALLENGE PROBLEM (was Re: For FR Grus [7:16635])
> > >[7:16681]
> > >
> > >
> > >I don't think bridge will work on this network because of split horizon.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >- Original Message -
> > >From: "Brian"
> > >To:
> > >Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 7:51 AM
> > >Subject: CHALLENGE PROBLEM (was Re: For FR Grus [7:16635]) [7:16659]
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Cisco Lover wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Guys..
> > > > >
> > > > > Come with some New Queston..
> > > >
> > > > hmm, ok, so your looking for some challenging questions? Ok, I will
> post
> > > > one, its got FR in it.  First I'll post the problem, followed by the
> > > > config:
> > > >
> > > > THE PROBLEM
> > > > ===
> > > > Users on DLCI's 200, 224, 201, 225 cannot communicate to eachother.
> They
> > > > can talk just fine to the rest of the network, but no packets can
> pass
> > > > between them.  Later discovery reveals that so long as they are on
> > > > different layer 3 network addressing, communcation can occur, but if
> they
> > > > are on the same network, such as 192.168.3.0, then they cannot
> > communicate
> > > >
> > > > What is the problem?  I will reply to let everyone know who got the
> > > > correct answer.
> > > >
> > > > Below is the configuration:
> > > >
> > > > !
> > > > version 11.3
> > > > !
> > > > interface Ethernet2/0
> > > >  ip address 192.168.1.242 255.255.255.0
> > > > !
> > > > interface Serial4/0
> > > >  no ip address
> > > >  encapsulation frame-relay IETF
> > > >  keepalive 15
> > > >  frame-relay map bridge 200 broadcast IETF
> > > >  frame-relay map bridge 224 broadcast IETF
> > > >  frame-relay map bridge 201 broadcast IETF
> > > >  frame-relay map bridge 225 broadcast IETF
> > > >  frame-relay lmi-type ansi
> > > >  bridge-group 1
> > > > !
> > > > interface BVI1
> > > >  ip address 192.168.3.242 255.255.255.0 secondary
> > > >  ip address 192.168.2.242 255.255.255.0
> > > >
> > > > !
> > > > router igrp 1
> > > >  network 192.1.0.0
> > > >  network 192.2.0.0
> > > >  network 193.3.0.0
> > > > !
> > > > ip classless
> > > > !
> > > > bridge irb
> > > >  bridge 1 protocol ieee
> > > >  bridge 1 route ip
> > > > !
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > For eg,
> > > > > our FR switch is setup for Full mesh,But out network is setup as
> Hub
> &
> > > > Spoke
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> > > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
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Re: CHALLENGE PROBLEM (was Re: For FR Grus.... [7:16635]) [7:16716]

2001-08-21 Thread Brian

On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Sasha wrote:

> He is doing transparent bridging between pvc's, hence
> routing issues are irrelevant.
> The problem here is that a packet that comes into a physical
> interface is not transmitted back through the same physical
> interface (although on another pvc), and bridging will not work
> (you may call it "split horizon", but I wouldn't).

YES!  You got it correct!  One must remember that when bridging on a
router, its just like a real bridge/switch.  Interfaces are like ports on
a bridge, and a packet entering a port will never go back out that same
port.  Using sub interfaces fixes it.

Now why does it work when you put them on 2 different layer3 networks?
Because this forces packets to tag the BVI, and thus get routed (BVI
must be setup with secondary addressing).  And routing can go out the
port, tag the BVI, and go back down the port, but bridging will not work!


> (This limitation is intended to avoid bridging loops, I think, because
> STP will treat physical interface as a single bridge port.)
>
> The common solution is the use of p2p subinterfaces.

Yes

>
> The config may be modified in one of two ways:
>
> * put pvc's on separate point-to-point subinterfaces:
>
>  int ser4/0.200 point-to-point
>   frame interface-dlci 200
>   bridge-group 1
> int ser4/0.224 point-to-point
>   frame interface-dlci 224
>   bridge-group 1
> ...
>
> * use point-to-multipoint interface:
>
> int ser4/0.200 multipoint
>   frame map bridge 200 broadcast
>   bridge-group 1
> int ser4/0.224 multi
>   frame map bridge 224 broadcast
>   bridge-group 1

Yes, or use different layer 3 networks, you can put numerous secondaries
on the BVI, although ugly looking.  Great job, I know this is not an
obvious problem when first looked at.

Brian

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RE: What Router for Routing Between VLANS [7:16609]

2001-08-21 Thread John Neiberger

Ole forwarded this link to me.  It appears that Cisco has indeed
released a FastEthernet Network Module for the 2600 series.  It must
have come out fairly recently.

http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/access/acs_mod/cis2600/hw_inst/nm_inst/nm-doc/connteth.htm#34411

Now that these are available, I may use a couple in the near future.

Regards,
John

>>> "Leigh Anne Chisholm"  8/21/01 10:41:33 AM >>>
I just checked the 2600 product catalog.  It doesn't list a FE for the
2600... but it does list an NM-4E (4 10 Mbps Ethernet interfaces)
which
would enable you to route between four... er... um... oh heck.  Between
4
VLANs.  Sorry Peter, I couldn't think of another way to explain it on
short
notice!  (-:


  -- Leigh Anne

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Subject: RE: What Router for Routing Between VLANS [7:16609]


This really confuses me because according to the Cisco products
reference guide, there is no FastEthernet module available for the
2600
series.  It says that if you need fastethernet on a 2600 you need to
get
a 2620 or better.  A 2610 has a single 10baseT port.

Are you doing ISL or 802.1q with the IP only feature set?

Please clear this up for me.  I wonder if Cisco has introduced a new
module and it's just not in this guide?  I'll have to check CCO for
that.

Thanks,
John

>>> "Dwayne Saunders"  8/21/01 8:41:32 AM
>>>
Very strange I have a fast Ethernet module in a 2610 and it works and
I
am
only using the ip feature set
so I don't know what the story is there

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any router that supports VLAN trunking (802.1q or ISL).  The 2600 does
if
equipped with a fastethernet interface.
see http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/473/50.shtml (I it got using a
search
for intervlan routing)
which indicates the minimun router is the 2620

- Original Message -
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To:
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 7:23 PM
Subject: What Router for Routing Between VLANS [7:16609]


> I have lent out my CCNP books & do not remember all the router
models
that
> can
> route between VLAN's.  I currently have a 4700M doing the job, but
wanted
to
> know if a 2600 would route them.
>
> Thanks
> Phil
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RE: What Router for Routing Between VLANS [7:16609]

2001-08-21 Thread Ole Drews Jensen

Yes, that is the fact according to mine too, however, if you look here, it
should be possible.

http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/access/acs_mod/cis2600/hw_in
st/nm_inst/nm-doc/connteth.htm#34411

Watch for word wrap.

Hth,

Ole

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This really confuses me because according to the Cisco products
reference guide, there is no FastEthernet module available for the 2600
series.  It says that if you need fastethernet on a 2600 you need to get
a 2620 or better.  A 2610 has a single 10baseT port.

Are you doing ISL or 802.1q with the IP only feature set?

Please clear this up for me.  I wonder if Cisco has introduced a new
module and it's just not in this guide?  I'll have to check CCO for
that.

Thanks,
John

>>> "Dwayne Saunders"  8/21/01 8:41:32 AM
>>>
Very strange I have a fast Ethernet module in a 2610 and it works and I
am
only using the ip feature set
so I don't know what the story is there

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any router that supports VLAN trunking (802.1q or ISL).  The 2600 does
if
equipped with a fastethernet interface.
see http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/473/50.shtml (I it got using a
search
for intervlan routing)
which indicates the minimun router is the 2620

- Original Message -
From: "Circusnuts" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 7:23 PM
Subject: What Router for Routing Between VLANS [7:16609]


> I have lent out my CCNP books & do not remember all the router models
that
> can
> route between VLAN's.  I currently have a 4700M doing the job, but
wanted
to
> know if a 2600 would route them.
>
> Thanks
> Phil
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RE: CHALLENGE PROBLEM (was Re: For FR Grus.... [7:16635]) [7:16714]

2001-08-21 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I can think of two reason why it wouldn't work.

1.  Because you're using bridging on the frame relay links, it must adhere
to the spanning tree rules.  This means that you cannot send traffic out
the same interface you receive it on.  In this configuration it would mean
that information received on a DLCI it would not be able to be forwarded
out any of the other DLCIs because they are on the same physical interface

2.  You're using "frame map bridge" statements which disables inverse arp.
You have to add static "frame map ip" statements for all the layer 3
addresses.  This wouldn't explain why it works when the DLCIs are on
different layer 3 networks though.


Rob






Brian @groupstudy.com on 08/21/2001 02:10:42 PM

Please respond to Brian 

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No one has gotten this problem yet.  Remeber, making it so the clients are
on differnt layer 3 networks works, but when they are on the same it
doesn't.  What mechanics are involved in how the packet will be treated
different if on the same network vs. different networks.

I'll still leave the answer open, someone will get this.

Brian


On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Wayne Wenthin wrote:

> To me this looks very similar to bridging with DSL.  Since you cannot
> receive the ARP the router must proxy this.
>
> At 09:52 AM 8/21/2001, McCallum, Robert wrote:
> >you can correct me here if I am wrong but split horizon is only used in
> >distance vector protocols NO???
> >
> >The problem here without giving the answer is that a router is expected
to
> >pass a packet out of an interface which is on its own subnet !!  Doesn't
> >compute!  What is the routing protocol being used to route ip??  This is
> >where the answer will lye
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Donald B Johnson jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >Sent: 21 August 2001 17:06
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: CHALLENGE PROBLEM (was Re: For FR Grus [7:16635])
> >[7:16681]
> >
> >
> >I don't think bridge will work on this network because of split horizon.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >- Original Message -
> >From: "Brian"
> >To:
> >Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 7:51 AM
> >Subject: CHALLENGE PROBLEM (was Re: For FR Grus [7:16635]) [7:16659]
> >
> >
> > > On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Cisco Lover wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Guys..
> > > >
> > > > Come with some New Queston..
> > >
> > > hmm, ok, so your looking for some challenging questions? Ok, I will
post
> > > one, its got FR in it.  First I'll post the problem, followed by the
> > > config:
> > >
> > > THE PROBLEM
> > > ===
> > > Users on DLCI's 200, 224, 201, 225 cannot communicate to eachother.
They
> > > can talk just fine to the rest of the network, but no packets can
pass
> > > between them.  Later discovery reveals that so long as they are on
> > > different layer 3 network addressing, communcation can occur, but if
they
> > > are on the same network, such as 192.168.3.0, then they cannot
> communicate
> > >
> > > What is the problem?  I will reply to let everyone know who got the
> > > correct answer.
> > >
> > > Below is the configuration:
> > >
> > > !
> > > version 11.3
> > > !
> > > interface Ethernet2/0
> > >  ip address 192.168.1.242 255.255.255.0
> > > !
> > > interface Serial4/0
> > >  no ip address
> > >  encapsulation frame-relay IETF
> > >  keepalive 15
> > >  frame-relay map bridge 200 broadcast IETF
> > >  frame-relay map bridge 224 broadcast IETF
> > >  frame-relay map bridge 201 broadcast IETF
> > >  frame-relay map bridge 225 broadcast IETF
> > >  frame-relay lmi-type ansi
> > >  bridge-group 1
> > > !
> > > interface BVI1
> > >  ip address 192.168.3.242 255.255.255.0 secondary
> > >  ip address 192.168.2.242 255.255.255.0
> > >
> > > !
> > > router igrp 1
> > >  network 192.1.0.0
> > >  network 192.2.0.0
> > >  network 193.3.0.0
> > > !
> > > ip classless
> > > !
> > > bridge irb
> > >  bridge 1 protocol ieee
> > >  bridge 1 route ip
> > > !
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > For eg,
> > > > our FR switch is setup for Full mesh,But out network is setup as
Hub
&
> > > Spoke
> > > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info:
> > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
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RE: What Router for Routing Between VLANS [7:16609]

2001-08-21 Thread Leigh Anne Chisholm

I just checked the 2600 product catalog.  It doesn't list a FE for the
2600... but it does list an NM-4E (4 10 Mbps Ethernet interfaces) which
would enable you to route between four... er... um... oh heck.  Between 4
VLANs.  Sorry Peter, I couldn't think of another way to explain it on short
notice!  (-:


  -- Leigh Anne

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John Neiberger
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 9:40 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: What Router for Routing Between VLANS [7:16609]


This really confuses me because according to the Cisco products
reference guide, there is no FastEthernet module available for the 2600
series.  It says that if you need fastethernet on a 2600 you need to get
a 2620 or better.  A 2610 has a single 10baseT port.

Are you doing ISL or 802.1q with the IP only feature set?

Please clear this up for me.  I wonder if Cisco has introduced a new
module and it's just not in this guide?  I'll have to check CCO for
that.

Thanks,
John

>>> "Dwayne Saunders"  8/21/01 8:41:32 AM
>>>
Very strange I have a fast Ethernet module in a 2610 and it works and I
am
only using the ip feature set
so I don't know what the story is there

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any router that supports VLAN trunking (802.1q or ISL).  The 2600 does
if
equipped with a fastethernet interface.
see http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/473/50.shtml (I it got using a
search
for intervlan routing)
which indicates the minimun router is the 2620

- Original Message -
From: "Circusnuts"
To:
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 7:23 PM
Subject: What Router for Routing Between VLANS [7:16609]


> I have lent out my CCNP books & do not remember all the router models
that
> can
> route between VLAN's.  I currently have a 4700M doing the job, but
wanted
to
> know if a 2600 would route them.
>
> Thanks
> Phil
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pix & radius auth [7:16705]

2001-08-21 Thread Tom Richs

I have the following config for auth on the pix 500 series

aaa-server RADIUS protocol radius
aaa-server RADIUS (inside) host 192.168.1.1 cisco timeout 15
aaa authentication http console RADIUS
aaa authentication http outbound 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 RADIUS

This should be all I need to put to have it authenticated against the RADIUS 
server right.  When I start my http session via IE it will prompt me but 
when I put in the username and password, it will not take and will ask 
again.  Sounds like it may be a radius thing but wanted to just make sure.  
Any input is appreciated.

Thanks.

Tom


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Re: Associate and Professional Email Lists [7:16217]

2001-08-21 Thread Tony Medeiros

That about covers it Chuck,

Dont' forget "How do I fix the full/half duplex thing" 

Tony

- Original Message -
From: "Chuck Larrieu" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 8:39 AM
Subject: RE: Associate and Professional Email Lists [7:16217]


> let me save you the trouble. ;->
>
> 1)it is a violation to disclose whether or not ISIS is on the LAB, but you
> probably should study it anyway, if only because
>
> 2) those /32's in the routing table are supposed to be there when you have
> an OSPF network over a frame relay cloud. no, they can't be summarized on
> routers connected to the cloud.
>
> 3) it is NDA to reveal specifics about the Lab, such as the IOS version.
on
> the other hand, with Cisco releasing 12.2 these days, one might consider
> which IOS versions Cisco might think it important for CCIE's to be
familiar
> with.
>
> 4) there are only so many ways to redistribute a /28 into a /24. check the
> archives, as this has been a regular topic of discussion
>
> 5) yes, the answers that cc boot camp provides for their labs very often
> contain incorrect information. part of the challenge is to figure that out
>
> 6) as far as which of the several practice lab packages is "best" that is
> subjective
>
> 7) the CCIE list archives contain the answers to these and all the
questions
> that come up on a weekly basis.
>
> Hey, Tony, did I miss any?
>
> Chuck
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> Donald B Johnson jr
> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 7:40 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Associate and Professional Email Lists [7:16217]
>
>
> Tony I sit my written tomorrow at 3pm and if I pass I can't wait to get on
> that boring list
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Tony Medeiros"
> To:
> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 9:09 PM
> Subject: Re: Associate and Professional Email Lists [7:16217]
>
>
> > Let's keep the list the same,  I my opinion,  The mix of cert. posts
along
> > with the  real world stuff make's it interesting.  Plus, it give the
> higher
> > level people a chance to help out their fellow man/women.  The CCIE list
> has
> > gotten so "test" centric it's got boring.
> > I like to "take" as well as to "learn"
> >  Sure your going to get low level questions.  Just ignore them and let
the
> > junior guys get a "trill" out of helping another person
> >
> > Tony ME.
> > #6172.
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Chuck Larrieu"
> > To:
> > Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 11:31 AM
> > Subject: RE: Associate and Professional Email Lists [7:16217]
> >
> >
> > > Not that I disagree, Don, but this has been a source of annoyance for
> many
> > > folks for as long as I've been on the list ( around 2 years. )
> > >
> > > two points:
> > >
> > > 1) sometimes some of these work related scenarios provide good
learning
> > > points
> > >
> > > 2) people ask these kinds of questions on all the lists, no matter
what.
> > The
> > > CCIE list would get it's fair share of this kind of question as well.
> > >
> > > without having the list 100% moderated, with all messages being
> reviewed,
> > > there is no practical way to stop this. and sometimes there is
something
> > to
> > > be learned that is applicable to one's studies.
> > >
> > > Chuck
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> > > Donald B Johnson jr
> > > Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 9:09 AM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: Associate and Professional Email Lists [7:16217]
> > >
> > >
> > > I think that if there is a split, all these questions concerning work
> > should
> > > be split out. It is supposed to be about group study not group
> consulting.
> > > Over the time that I have been here there seems to be a growing number
> of
> > > narrowly worded questions to bail someone out at work, and this
> individual
> > > doesn't even seem to consult CCO most of the time, even though they
are
> > > supporting a Cisco platform. The culture here seems to support and
> highly
> > > respect the intellectual property of others, which I whole-heartedly
> > agree,
> > > but it shows a lack of respect for those who consult for a living. I
> > > personally like giving "so called flames" to people who are looking
for
> > free
> > > consulting work to hide there apparent laziness. Just like everyone
> chimes
> > > in when someone comes here and tries to sell certzone labs gets
blasted.
> I
> > > wish that blatant " my boss wants me to set up a central frame hub and
> six
> > > spoke network what should I do" should get blasted or pointed to place
> > where
> > > people can consult for food. Paul any e-mail that has boss in it
should
> > get
> > > an automated stock reply, check CCO, call cisco, buy gear, have cisco
SE
> > set
> > > it up, have a nice day. Now I know people are going to say that this
is
> > how
> > > they learn by posting real world questions and this is true but it is
> the
> 

RE: Rapid spanning-tree 802.1w [7:16524]

2001-08-21 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer

Unfortunately, none of the suggestions to find 802.1W at Cisco's site 
worked. Perhaps they just don't support it yet, although a normal Google 
search did discover that they are working on it. It would make sense since 
they have been so concerned with improving the spanning tree algorithm for 
many years, adding things like uplink fast, backbone fast, portfast, and 
gazillions of other bells and whistles.

Priscilla

At 10:40 AM 8/21/01, Evans, TJ wrote:
>Just go to google, type in your desired search words and add
>"site:cisco.com" ...
>
>
>
>
>Thanks!
>TJ
>
>  -Original Message-
>From:   Priscilla Oppenheimer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent:   Monday, August 20, 2001 2:32
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject:Re: Rapid spanning-tree 802.1w [7:16524]
>
>A search on Google discovered that Cisco has a patent for the technologies
>in 802.1W!? So, I'm sure Cisco is working on support for 802.1W. See this
>link:
>
>http://standards.ieee.org/db/patents/pat802.html
>
>A search at Cisco's site found nothing, but that's partly because their
>search engine is SO AWFUL. A Cisco person yelled at me for saying this
>once, but I'm sticking to my guns. The search engine at Cisco's site found
>a bunch of pages with 802.1 in then, in some language other than English
>that seems to use "w" as a word. Interesting, but not helpful.
>
>Someone had a link for doing a Google search on Cisco's Web site? What was
>that? Anyone still have it?
>
>Priscilla
>
>At 09:27 AM 8/20/01, Semion Lisyansky wrote:
> >Hi List,
> >
> >As far as I understand UplinkFast/BackboneFast are partial
> >implementation of 802.1w, Does Cisco has full implementation
> >of rapid spanning-tree 802.1w? If yes, in which product, where
> >can I get some more info about those products?
> >Please cc me directly 'cause I'm a digest subscriber.
> >
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Re: Access-Lists [7:16693]

2001-08-21 Thread Dennis H

O'Reilly's book on Cisco access lists is pretty good...


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>
> Can anyone recommend good books to read when one wants to configure
> access-lists on Cisco devices?
>
> Thanks
>
> James




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Re: CHALLENGE PROBLEM (was Re: For FR Grus.... [7:16635]) [7:16710]

2001-08-21 Thread Brian

no thats not the problem


On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Donald B Johnson jr wrote:

> yeah you got irb and bvi and igrp on same interface you are creating loops
> because SH is disabled
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Brian" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 9:35 AM
> Subject: Re: CHALLENGE PROBLEM (was Re: For FR Grus [7:16635])
[7:16687]
>
>
> > On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Donald B Johnson jr wrote:
> >
> > > I don't think bridge will work on this network because of split
horizon.
> >
> > Can you be more clear about your answer?
> >
> > Brian
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Brian"
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 7:51 AM
> > > Subject: CHALLENGE PROBLEM (was Re: For FR Grus [7:16635])
[7:16659]
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Cisco Lover wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Guys..
> > > > >
> > > > > Come with some New Queston..
> > > >
> > > > hmm, ok, so your looking for some challenging questions? Ok, I will
> post
> > > > one, its got FR in it.  First I'll post the problem, followed by the
> > > > config:
> > > >
> > > > THE PROBLEM
> > > > ===
> > > > Users on DLCI's 200, 224, 201, 225 cannot communicate to eachother.
> They
> > > > can talk just fine to the rest of the network, but no packets can
pass
> > > > between them.  Later discovery reveals that so long as they are on
> > > > different layer 3 network addressing, communcation can occur, but if
> they
> > > > are on the same network, such as 192.168.3.0, then they cannot
> > communicate
> > > >
> > > > What is the problem?  I will reply to let everyone know who got the
> > > > correct answer.
> > > >
> > > > Below is the configuration:
> > > >
> > > > !
> > > > version 11.3
> > > > !
> > > > interface Ethernet2/0
> > > >  ip address 192.168.1.242 255.255.255.0
> > > > !
> > > > interface Serial4/0
> > > >  no ip address
> > > >  encapsulation frame-relay IETF
> > > >  keepalive 15
> > > >  frame-relay map bridge 200 broadcast IETF
> > > >  frame-relay map bridge 224 broadcast IETF
> > > >  frame-relay map bridge 201 broadcast IETF
> > > >  frame-relay map bridge 225 broadcast IETF
> > > >  frame-relay lmi-type ansi
> > > >  bridge-group 1
> > > > !
> > > > interface BVI1
> > > >  ip address 192.168.3.242 255.255.255.0 secondary
> > > >  ip address 192.168.2.242 255.255.255.0
> > > >
> > > > !
> > > > router igrp 1
> > > >  network 192.1.0.0
> > > >  network 192.2.0.0
> > > >  network 193.3.0.0
> > > > !
> > > > ip classless
> > > > !
> > > > bridge irb
> > > >  bridge 1 protocol ieee
> > > >  bridge 1 route ip
> > > > !
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > For eg,
> > > > > our FR switch is setup for Full mesh,But out network is setup as
Hub
> &
> > > > Spoke
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RE: CHALLENGE PROBLEM (was Re: For FR Grus.... [7:16635]) [7:16709]

2001-08-21 Thread Brian

yes that was a typo, but had nothing to do with the problem, good catch

On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Ole Drews Jensen wrote:

> First of all, I believe you have a typo:
>
> > router igrp 1
> >  network 192.1.0.0
> >  network 192.2.0.0
> >  network 193.3.0.0
>
> should have been
>
>  router igrp 1
>   network 192.168.1.0
>   network 192.168.2.0
>   network 193.168.3.0
>
> I have not an answer to your question yet.
>
> Ole
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> Subject: CHALLENGE PROBLEM (was Re: For FR Grus [7:16635]) [7:16659]
>
>
> On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Cisco Lover wrote:
>
> > Hi Guys..
> >
> > Come with some New Queston..
>
> hmm, ok, so your looking for some challenging questions? Ok, I will post
> one, its got FR in it.  First I'll post the problem, followed by the
> config:
>
> THE PROBLEM
> ===
> Users on DLCI's 200, 224, 201, 225 cannot communicate to eachother.  They
> can talk just fine to the rest of the network, but no packets can pass
> between them.  Later discovery reveals that so long as they are on
> different layer 3 network addressing, communcation can occur, but if they
> are on the same network, such as 192.168.3.0, then they cannot communicate
>
> What is the problem?  I will reply to let everyone know who got the
> correct answer.
>
> Below is the configuration:
>
> !
> version 11.3
> !
> interface Ethernet2/0
>  ip address 192.168.1.242 255.255.255.0
> !
> interface Serial4/0
>  no ip address
>  encapsulation frame-relay IETF
>  keepalive 15
>  frame-relay map bridge 200 broadcast IETF
>  frame-relay map bridge 224 broadcast IETF
>  frame-relay map bridge 201 broadcast IETF
>  frame-relay map bridge 225 broadcast IETF
>  frame-relay lmi-type ansi
>  bridge-group 1
> !
> interface BVI1
>  ip address 192.168.3.242 255.255.255.0 secondary
>  ip address 192.168.2.242 255.255.255.0
>
> !
> router igrp 1
>  network 192.1.0.0
>  network 192.2.0.0
>  network 193.3.0.0
> !
> ip classless
> !
> bridge irb
>  bridge 1 protocol ieee
>  bridge 1 route ip
> !
>
>
> >
> > For eg,
> > our FR switch is setup for Full mesh,But out network is setup as Hub &
> Spoke
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RE: CHALLENGE PROBLEM (was Re: For FR Grus.... [7:16635]) [7:16711]

2001-08-21 Thread Brian

No one has gotten this problem yet.  Remeber, making it so the clients are
on differnt layer 3 networks works, but when they are on the same it
doesn't.  What mechanics are involved in how the packet will be treated
different if on the same network vs. different networks.

I'll still leave the answer open, someone will get this.

Brian


On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Wayne Wenthin wrote:

> To me this looks very similar to bridging with DSL.  Since you cannot
> receive the ARP the router must proxy this.
>
> At 09:52 AM 8/21/2001, McCallum, Robert wrote:
> >you can correct me here if I am wrong but split horizon is only used in
> >distance vector protocols NO???
> >
> >The problem here without giving the answer is that a router is expected to
> >pass a packet out of an interface which is on its own subnet !!  Doesn't
> >compute!  What is the routing protocol being used to route ip??  This is
> >where the answer will lye
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Donald B Johnson jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >Sent: 21 August 2001 17:06
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: CHALLENGE PROBLEM (was Re: For FR Grus [7:16635])
> >[7:16681]
> >
> >
> >I don't think bridge will work on this network because of split horizon.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >- Original Message -
> >From: "Brian"
> >To:
> >Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 7:51 AM
> >Subject: CHALLENGE PROBLEM (was Re: For FR Grus [7:16635]) [7:16659]
> >
> >
> > > On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Cisco Lover wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Guys..
> > > >
> > > > Come with some New Queston..
> > >
> > > hmm, ok, so your looking for some challenging questions? Ok, I will
post
> > > one, its got FR in it.  First I'll post the problem, followed by the
> > > config:
> > >
> > > THE PROBLEM
> > > ===
> > > Users on DLCI's 200, 224, 201, 225 cannot communicate to eachother. 
They
> > > can talk just fine to the rest of the network, but no packets can pass
> > > between them.  Later discovery reveals that so long as they are on
> > > different layer 3 network addressing, communcation can occur, but if
they
> > > are on the same network, such as 192.168.3.0, then they cannot
> communicate
> > >
> > > What is the problem?  I will reply to let everyone know who got the
> > > correct answer.
> > >
> > > Below is the configuration:
> > >
> > > !
> > > version 11.3
> > > !
> > > interface Ethernet2/0
> > >  ip address 192.168.1.242 255.255.255.0
> > > !
> > > interface Serial4/0
> > >  no ip address
> > >  encapsulation frame-relay IETF
> > >  keepalive 15
> > >  frame-relay map bridge 200 broadcast IETF
> > >  frame-relay map bridge 224 broadcast IETF
> > >  frame-relay map bridge 201 broadcast IETF
> > >  frame-relay map bridge 225 broadcast IETF
> > >  frame-relay lmi-type ansi
> > >  bridge-group 1
> > > !
> > > interface BVI1
> > >  ip address 192.168.3.242 255.255.255.0 secondary
> > >  ip address 192.168.2.242 255.255.255.0
> > >
> > > !
> > > router igrp 1
> > >  network 192.1.0.0
> > >  network 192.2.0.0
> > >  network 193.3.0.0
> > > !
> > > ip classless
> > > !
> > > bridge irb
> > >  bridge 1 protocol ieee
> > >  bridge 1 route ip
> > > !
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > For eg,
> > > > our FR switch is setup for Full mesh,But out network is setup as Hub
&
> > > Spoke
> > > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info:
> > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
> > > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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> > > email me for a quote
> > >
> > > Brian Feeny, CCIE #8036   Scarlett Parria
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > 318-213-4709  318-213-4701
> > >
> > > Netjam, LLC   http://www.netjam.net
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> > > Suite 1401   30 day warranty
> > > Shreveport, LA 71101   Cisco Channel Partner
> > > toll free: 866-2NETJAM
> > > phone:318-212-0245
> > > fax:318-212-0246
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RE: HELP!! The Cisco Code & Windows XP [7:16708]

2001-08-21 Thread Bob Johnson

Could be worse...
I had a boss that turned off the UPS because:
 "All that beeping was bothering me. Can't you make it stop???"
Of course the fact that it was beeping because of a power failure was lost
on him

> -Original Message-
> From: Priscilla Oppenheimer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 10:20 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: HELP!! The Cisco Code & Windows XP [7:16604]
> 
> 
> I wish that Networking 101 was required in schools. Then even the 
> Management by Business Week types would know about the 7 
> layers and that 
> the operating system, which generally deals with local file 
> management and 
> I/O, should not matter when considering traffic going through 
> routers and 
> switches.
> 
> In actuality, there may be issues because the TCP/IP stack and other 
> protocols are part of the operating system and they could be 
> buggy, but if 
> they are standard and not buggy, then there shouldn't be an issue.
> 
> I don't mean to flame the person that asked. It can't hurt to do some 
> research, and there was that one bug with 802.1x security and 
> Catalyst 5000 
> switches connecting PCs running Windows XP, but that kind of thing 
> shouldn't happen. On the other hand, both Cisco and Microsoft 
> like to take 
> simple concepts (like bridging, etc.) and make them so 
> complicated that 
> bugs are bound to happen.
> 
> We run an ISP among other things. I wish that our users would 
> take the 
> basic networking class also. This morning someone called and 
> said she had 
> an error message about running out of server space. So I 
> talked to her 
> about not keeping mail on the server. She said, "you mean I 
> can't keep 
> messages in my In Box?" Sigh. Networking 101 would have a 
> short section on 
> client/server architecture too.
> 
> Sorry for the babbling. Haven't had my latte yet.
> 
> Priscilla
> 
> 
> 
> 
> At 12:05 AM 8/21/01, Chuck Larrieu wrote:
> >I'm sure you've had your fair share of smart remarks by now. 
> So I won't add
> >my own. I will remark that in fairness to your boss, there 
> is probably
> >something he has heard or read which caused him to look for 
> reassurance.
> >
> >for example, is there a concern with VPN compatibility of 
> operation using
> >Win XP VPN client software? is there a security concern 
> based upon published
> >writings about the XP TCP stack?
> >
> >if the question is "will Cisco routers pass traffic generated by XP
> >machines?" the answer is "sure. why not" after all, there is 
> nothing in an
> >IP or a TCP header that indicates the type of host OS that 
> originates the
> >packet. as long as the traffic is contained in valid 
> packets, the router
> >will pass process them. knowing that, may I recommend you 
> sit down with the
> >boss and ask what his concerns are. what has he read? what 
> has he heard? why
> >would he think there is reason to be concerned? hell, he 
> could be a victim
> >of MBBW ( Management By Business Week - where the president 
> of the company
> >saw something in Business Week Magazine over the weekend and 
> on Monday
> >morning told your boss to investigate and come back with report. ;->
> >
> >( and yes, I know some bosses are "she" )
> >
> >Chuck
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On 
> Behalf Of
> >Ray Smith
> >Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 5:38 PM
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: HELP!! The Cisco Code & Windows XP [7:16604]
> >
> >
> >Guys,
> >
> >After my boss delegated me to research all I can about what 
> is need to
> >upgrade if necessary our Cisco routers and switches to work 
> with Windows-XP,
> >I was only able to assert from information on the web that 
> there is a bug in
> >the switch software that is incompatible with XP.
> >
> >Does anyone here know of any valuable information that can 
> help me with
> >compiling an educated assessment of this research?  Is 
> anyone out there
> >knowledgeable of this issue either from personal experience or from
> >literature?  I would really appreciate some feedback.
> >
> >The only problems that I have actually heard of thus far is 
> that which
> >occurred during the beta test that brought down one of 
> Xerox's network.  I
> >understand that there is a patch that is available as a fix, 
> in addition to
> >the option of upgrading the Switch code.  My question is: -
> >
> >a). Does the incompatibility only exist with the Switch 
> software or with the
> >router IOS as
> >  well?
> >
> >b). Is the patch the best way of dealing with the problem?
> >
> >I appreciate any help that I can get.  Thanks
> >
> >
> >_
> >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at 
> http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
> 
> 
> Priscilla Oppenheimer
> http://www.priscilla.com




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RE: CHALLENGE PROBLEM (was Re: For FR Grus.... [7:16635]) [7:16707]

2001-08-21 Thread Gibson, Darrin

Putting static routes on the remote routers pointing back to the hub router
would work. Assuming the hub router has routes in it's routing table to all
the remote routers.

Darrin Gibson


-Original Message-
From: Wayne Wenthin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 12:29 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: CHALLENGE PROBLEM (was Re: For FR Grus [7:16635])
[7:16702]


To me this looks very similar to bridging with DSL.  Since you cannot 
receive the ARP the router must proxy this.

At 09:52 AM 8/21/2001, McCallum, Robert wrote:
>you can correct me here if I am wrong but split horizon is only used in
>distance vector protocols NO???
>
>The problem here without giving the answer is that a router is expected to
>pass a packet out of an interface which is on its own subnet !!  Doesn't
>compute!  What is the routing protocol being used to route ip??  This is
>where the answer will lye
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Donald B Johnson jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: 21 August 2001 17:06
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: CHALLENGE PROBLEM (was Re: For FR Grus [7:16635])
>[7:16681]
>
>
>I don't think bridge will work on this network because of split horizon.
>
>
>
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Brian"
>To:
>Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 7:51 AM
>Subject: CHALLENGE PROBLEM (was Re: For FR Grus [7:16635]) [7:16659]
>
>
> > On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Cisco Lover wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Guys..
> > >
> > > Come with some New Queston..
> >
> > hmm, ok, so your looking for some challenging questions? Ok, I will post
> > one, its got FR in it.  First I'll post the problem, followed by the
> > config:
> >
> > THE PROBLEM
> > ===
> > Users on DLCI's 200, 224, 201, 225 cannot communicate to eachother.
They
> > can talk just fine to the rest of the network, but no packets can pass
> > between them.  Later discovery reveals that so long as they are on
> > different layer 3 network addressing, communcation can occur, but if
they
> > are on the same network, such as 192.168.3.0, then they cannot
communicate
> >
> > What is the problem?  I will reply to let everyone know who got the
> > correct answer.
> >
> > Below is the configuration:
> >
> > !
> > version 11.3
> > !
> > interface Ethernet2/0
> >  ip address 192.168.1.242 255.255.255.0
> > !
> > interface Serial4/0
> >  no ip address
> >  encapsulation frame-relay IETF
> >  keepalive 15
> >  frame-relay map bridge 200 broadcast IETF
> >  frame-relay map bridge 224 broadcast IETF
> >  frame-relay map bridge 201 broadcast IETF
> >  frame-relay map bridge 225 broadcast IETF
> >  frame-relay lmi-type ansi
> >  bridge-group 1
> > !
> > interface BVI1
> >  ip address 192.168.3.242 255.255.255.0 secondary
> >  ip address 192.168.2.242 255.255.255.0
> >
> > !
> > router igrp 1
> >  network 192.1.0.0
> >  network 192.2.0.0
> >  network 193.3.0.0
> > !
> > ip classless
> > !
> > bridge irb
> >  bridge 1 protocol ieee
> >  bridge 1 route ip
> > !
> >
> >
> > >
> > > For eg,
> > > our FR switch is setup for Full mesh,But out network is setup as Hub &
> > Spoke
> > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info:
> > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
> > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> >
> >
> > ---
> > I'm buying / selling used CISCO gear!!
> > email me for a quote
> >
> > Brian Feeny, CCIE #8036   Scarlett Parria
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > 318-213-4709  318-213-4701
> >
> > Netjam, LLC   http://www.netjam.net
> > 333 Texas St.VISA/MC/AMEX/COD
> > Suite 1401   30 day warranty
> > Shreveport, LA 71101   Cisco Channel Partner
> > toll free: 866-2NETJAM
> > phone:318-212-0245
> > fax:318-212-0246




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Able to Traceroute but Unable to ping [7:16706]

2001-08-21 Thread Kiran Kumar M

Hai,

I am tryig to analyse a problem that is existing in my network. I have a
link with PPP on WAN, Till four days back everything working fine. The
problem started four days back, the problem is I am able to traceroute the
IPs, but unable to ping to that network. I didn't restricted ICMP on
end user. What could be the problem, Does any one had this kind of
problem? 

Thanks in Advance,

Kiran




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Re: Associate and Professional Email Lists [7:16217]

2001-08-21 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Last week while searching for an answer to a question I had, I ran across
this study group. I was very pleased to run across a group that I felt had
the same love for network engineering as I. From the sound of some of the
emails, Real world " work related " network questions are inappropriate for
this email list. I am sorry to hear this since in the last 8 years I have
installed countless frame routers, VPN, Voice over iP. In the short time I
have been on the list I enjoyed viewing the questions and replying to the
ones that I had experience to share. I would like to thank the people who
replied to questions.
 
I have been working in the business for about 10 years and realize that I do
not have all the answers. Our industry changes too fast. If one asks Cisco
for all the answers, all you get is a Cisco solution. My experience with 9
out of 10 consultants is they are great at retaining the information, yet
poor at implementation. 
 
If anyone can direct me to an email list other than the ones provided by
Cisco, who are interested in discussing networking issues I would greatly
appreciate it




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Re: CHALLENGE PROBLEM (was Re: For FR Grus.... [7:16635]) [7:16701]

2001-08-21 Thread Donald B Johnson jr

yeah you got irb and bvi and igrp on same interface you are creating loops
because SH is disabled


- Original Message -
From: "Brian" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: CHALLENGE PROBLEM (was Re: For FR Grus [7:16635]) [7:16687]


> On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Donald B Johnson jr wrote:
>
> > I don't think bridge will work on this network because of split horizon.
>
> Can you be more clear about your answer?
>
> Brian
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Brian"
> > To:
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 7:51 AM
> > Subject: CHALLENGE PROBLEM (was Re: For FR Grus [7:16635]) [7:16659]
> >
> >
> > > On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Cisco Lover wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Guys..
> > > >
> > > > Come with some New Queston..
> > >
> > > hmm, ok, so your looking for some challenging questions? Ok, I will
post
> > > one, its got FR in it.  First I'll post the problem, followed by the
> > > config:
> > >
> > > THE PROBLEM
> > > ===
> > > Users on DLCI's 200, 224, 201, 225 cannot communicate to eachother.
They
> > > can talk just fine to the rest of the network, but no packets can pass
> > > between them.  Later discovery reveals that so long as they are on
> > > different layer 3 network addressing, communcation can occur, but if
they
> > > are on the same network, such as 192.168.3.0, then they cannot
> communicate
> > >
> > > What is the problem?  I will reply to let everyone know who got the
> > > correct answer.
> > >
> > > Below is the configuration:
> > >
> > > !
> > > version 11.3
> > > !
> > > interface Ethernet2/0
> > >  ip address 192.168.1.242 255.255.255.0
> > > !
> > > interface Serial4/0
> > >  no ip address
> > >  encapsulation frame-relay IETF
> > >  keepalive 15
> > >  frame-relay map bridge 200 broadcast IETF
> > >  frame-relay map bridge 224 broadcast IETF
> > >  frame-relay map bridge 201 broadcast IETF
> > >  frame-relay map bridge 225 broadcast IETF
> > >  frame-relay lmi-type ansi
> > >  bridge-group 1
> > > !
> > > interface BVI1
> > >  ip address 192.168.3.242 255.255.255.0 secondary
> > >  ip address 192.168.2.242 255.255.255.0
> > >
> > > !
> > > router igrp 1
> > >  network 192.1.0.0
> > >  network 192.2.0.0
> > >  network 193.3.0.0
> > > !
> > > ip classless
> > > !
> > > bridge irb
> > >  bridge 1 protocol ieee
> > >  bridge 1 route ip
> > > !
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > For eg,
> > > > our FR switch is setup for Full mesh,But out network is setup as Hub
&
> > > Spoke
> > > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info:
> > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
> > > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ---
> > > I'm buying / selling used CISCO gear!!
> > > email me for a quote
> > >
> > > Brian Feeny, CCIE #8036   Scarlett Parria
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > 318-213-4709  318-213-4701
> > >
> > > Netjam, LLC   http://www.netjam.net
> > > 333 Texas St.VISA/MC/AMEX/COD
> > > Suite 1401   30 day warranty
> > > Shreveport, LA 71101   Cisco Channel Partner
> > > toll free: 866-2NETJAM
> > > phone:318-212-0245
> > > fax:318-212-0246
> I'm buying / selling used CISCO gear!!
> email me for a quote
>
> Brian Feeny, CCIE #8036   Scarlett Parria
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 318-213-4709  318-213-4701
>
> Netjam, LLC   http://www.netjam.net
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> Suite 1401   30 day warranty
> Shreveport, LA 71101   Cisco Channel Partner
> toll free: 866-2NETJAM
> phone:318-212-0245
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RE: For FR Grus.... [7:16635]

2001-08-21 Thread Scott Hoover

>From CCO:

clear frame-relay-inarp
To clear dynamically created Frame Relay maps, which are created by the use
of Inverse ARP, use the clear frame-relay-inarp EXEC command.

clear frame-relay-inarp
Syntax Description
This command has no arguments or keywords.

Command Mode
EXEC

Example
The following example clears dynamically created Frame Relay maps:

clear frame-relay-inarp

Related Commands
frame-relay inverse-arp
show frame-relay map

I don't have access right now to test it, but I'm pretty sure I've done this
before without rebooting.


-Original Message-
From: McCallum, Robert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 9:44 AM
To: Scott Hoover; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: For FR Grus [7:16635]


Doesn't disabling inverse arp only take effect on a router reboot?



-Original Message-
From: Scott Hoover [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 21 August 2001 15:43
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: For FR Grus [7:16635]


You can disable inverse arp on each interface on the spokes and then clear
the cache.  That should prevent the spokes from seeing the unused dlci's,
but will require a static map of dlci to ip for each dlci you want to use.

""Cisco Lover""  wrote in message
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> Oopss
>
> Sorry guys...I donto know where it lost in b/w..Any way..I have write it
> here again.
>
> Thanks for the kind replies..
> For eg,
>
> our FR switch is setup for Full mesh,But out network is setup as Hub &
Spoke
> environment.In that case there must be some unused DLCI's on spoke routers
> which we would still be seeing as active on these routers although they
> would be  of no use offcourse for this envioronmetnt.
> Is there any way If we can get rid of these DLCIS on the spokes.i.e  to
> disable them or USE any  method which block them to be appearing on spoek
> routers.(without touching FR switch)
>
> I know Must be confusing for majority here ..But ..
>
> I AM SURE I WILL GET THE SOLUTION  HERE AS WELL.
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Cisco Lover"
> >Reply-To: "Cisco Lover"
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: For FR Grus [7:16635]
> >Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 07:06:08 -0400
> >
> >Hi Guys..
> >
> >Come with some New Queston..
> >
> >For eg,
> >our FR switch is setup for Full mesh,But out network is setup as Hub &
> >Spoke
> >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info:
> >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
> >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
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RE: CHALLENGE PROBLEM (was Re: For FR Grus.... [7:16635]) [7:16702]

2001-08-21 Thread Wayne Wenthin

To me this looks very similar to bridging with DSL.  Since you cannot 
receive the ARP the router must proxy this.

At 09:52 AM 8/21/2001, McCallum, Robert wrote:
>you can correct me here if I am wrong but split horizon is only used in
>distance vector protocols NO???
>
>The problem here without giving the answer is that a router is expected to
>pass a packet out of an interface which is on its own subnet !!  Doesn't
>compute!  What is the routing protocol being used to route ip??  This is
>where the answer will lye
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Donald B Johnson jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: 21 August 2001 17:06
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: CHALLENGE PROBLEM (was Re: For FR Grus [7:16635])
>[7:16681]
>
>
>I don't think bridge will work on this network because of split horizon.
>
>
>
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Brian"
>To:
>Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 7:51 AM
>Subject: CHALLENGE PROBLEM (was Re: For FR Grus [7:16635]) [7:16659]
>
>
> > On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Cisco Lover wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Guys..
> > >
> > > Come with some New Queston..
> >
> > hmm, ok, so your looking for some challenging questions? Ok, I will post
> > one, its got FR in it.  First I'll post the problem, followed by the
> > config:
> >
> > THE PROBLEM
> > ===
> > Users on DLCI's 200, 224, 201, 225 cannot communicate to eachother.  They
> > can talk just fine to the rest of the network, but no packets can pass
> > between them.  Later discovery reveals that so long as they are on
> > different layer 3 network addressing, communcation can occur, but if they
> > are on the same network, such as 192.168.3.0, then they cannot
communicate
> >
> > What is the problem?  I will reply to let everyone know who got the
> > correct answer.
> >
> > Below is the configuration:
> >
> > !
> > version 11.3
> > !
> > interface Ethernet2/0
> >  ip address 192.168.1.242 255.255.255.0
> > !
> > interface Serial4/0
> >  no ip address
> >  encapsulation frame-relay IETF
> >  keepalive 15
> >  frame-relay map bridge 200 broadcast IETF
> >  frame-relay map bridge 224 broadcast IETF
> >  frame-relay map bridge 201 broadcast IETF
> >  frame-relay map bridge 225 broadcast IETF
> >  frame-relay lmi-type ansi
> >  bridge-group 1
> > !
> > interface BVI1
> >  ip address 192.168.3.242 255.255.255.0 secondary
> >  ip address 192.168.2.242 255.255.255.0
> >
> > !
> > router igrp 1
> >  network 192.1.0.0
> >  network 192.2.0.0
> >  network 193.3.0.0
> > !
> > ip classless
> > !
> > bridge irb
> >  bridge 1 protocol ieee
> >  bridge 1 route ip
> > !
> >
> >
> > >
> > > For eg,
> > > our FR switch is setup for Full mesh,But out network is setup as Hub &
> > Spoke
> > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info:
> > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
> > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> >
> >
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> >
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Re: RE: HELP!! The Cisco Code & Windows XP [7:16604]

2001-08-21 Thread Brant Stevens

Glad you are still around, Chuck...  :)

The bug being referred to has to deal with the Catalyst 5500 switches, and
early EARL versions...

http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/707/cat5k-8021x-vuln-pub.shtml

Basically, if you are going to roll out XP, you should be using the resource
kit, and configuring the networking of the workstations to disable the
802.1X authentication en-masse...

HTH,
Brant...

-Original Message-
From: "Chuck Larrieu" 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 00:05:14 -0400
Subject: RE: HELP!! The Cisco Code & Windows XP [7:16604]

I'm sure you've had your fair share of smart remarks by now. So I won't add
my own. I will remark that in fairness to your boss, there is probably
something he has heard or read which caused him to look for reassurance.

for example, is there a concern with VPN compatibility of operation using
Win XP VPN client software? is there a security concern based upon published
writings about the XP TCP stack?

if the question is "will Cisco routers pass traffic generated by XP
machines?" the answer is "sure. why not" after all, there is nothing in an
IP or a TCP header that indicates the type of host OS that originates the
packet. as long as the traffic is contained in valid packets, the router
will pass process them. knowing that, may I recommend you sit down with the
boss and ask what his concerns are. what has he read? what has he heard? why
would he think there is reason to be concerned? hell, he could be a victim
of MBBW ( Management By Business Week - where the president of the company
saw something in Business Week Magazine over the weekend and on Monday
morning told your boss to investigate and come back with report. ;->

( and yes, I know some bosses are "she" )

Chuck

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Ray Smith
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 5:38 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: HELP!! The Cisco Code & Windows XP [7:16604]


Guys,

After my boss delegated me to research all I can about what is need to
upgrade if necessary our Cisco routers and switches to work with Windows-XP,
I was only able to assert from information on the web that there is a bug in
the switch software that is incompatible with XP.

Does anyone here know of any valuable information that can help me with
compiling an educated assessment of this research?  Is anyone out there
knowledgeable of this issue either from personal experience or from
literature?  I would really appreciate some feedback.

The only problems that I have actually heard of thus far is that which
occurred during the beta test that brought down one of Xerox's network.  I
understand that there is a patch that is available as a fix, in addition to
the option of upgrading the Switch code.  My question is: -

a). Does the incompatibility only exist with the Switch software or with the
router IOS as
 well?

b). Is the patch the best way of dealing with the problem?

I appreciate any help that I can get.  Thanks


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From: "Chuck Larrieu" 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 00:05:14 -0400
Subject: RE: HELP!! The Cisco Code & Windows XP [7:16604]

I'm sure you've had your fair share of smart remarks by now. So I won't add
my own. I will remark that in fairness to your boss, there is probably
something he has heard or read which caused him to look for reassurance.

for example, is there a concern with VPN compatibility of operation using
Win XP VPN client software? is there a security concern based upon published
writings about the XP TCP stack?

if the question is "will Cisco routers pass traffic generated by XP
machines?" the answer is "sure. why not" after all, there is nothing in an
IP or a TCP header that indicates the type of host OS that originates the
packet. as long as the traffic is contained in valid packets, the router
will pass process them. knowing that, may I recommend you sit down with the
boss and ask what his concerns are. what has he read? what has he heard? why
would he think there is reason to be concerned? hell, he could be a victim
of MBBW ( Management By Business Week - where the president of the company
saw something in Business Week Magazine over the weekend and on Monday
morning told your boss to investigate and come back with report. ;->

( and yes, I know some bosses are "she" )

Chuck

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Ray Smith
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 5:38 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: HELP!! The Cisco Code & Windows XP [7:16604]


Guys,

After my boss delegated me to research all I can about what is need to
upgrade if necessary our Cisco routers and switches to work with Windows-XP,
I was only able to assert from information on the web that there is a bug in
the switch software that is incompatible with XP.

Does

RE: CHALLENGE PROBLEM (was Re: For FR Grus.... [7:16635]) [7:16694]

2001-08-21 Thread Ole Drews Jensen

First of all, I believe you have a typo:

> router igrp 1
>  network 192.1.0.0
>  network 192.2.0.0
>  network 193.3.0.0

should have been 

 router igrp 1
  network 192.168.1.0
  network 192.168.2.0
  network 193.168.3.0

I have not an answer to your question yet.

Ole

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-Original Message-
From: Brian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 9:51 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: CHALLENGE PROBLEM (was Re: For FR Grus [7:16635]) [7:16659]


On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Cisco Lover wrote:

> Hi Guys..
>
> Come with some New Queston..

hmm, ok, so your looking for some challenging questions? Ok, I will post
one, its got FR in it.  First I'll post the problem, followed by the
config:

THE PROBLEM
===
Users on DLCI's 200, 224, 201, 225 cannot communicate to eachother.  They
can talk just fine to the rest of the network, but no packets can pass
between them.  Later discovery reveals that so long as they are on
different layer 3 network addressing, communcation can occur, but if they
are on the same network, such as 192.168.3.0, then they cannot communicate

What is the problem?  I will reply to let everyone know who got the
correct answer.

Below is the configuration:

!
version 11.3
!
interface Ethernet2/0
 ip address 192.168.1.242 255.255.255.0
!
interface Serial4/0
 no ip address
 encapsulation frame-relay IETF
 keepalive 15
 frame-relay map bridge 200 broadcast IETF
 frame-relay map bridge 224 broadcast IETF
 frame-relay map bridge 201 broadcast IETF
 frame-relay map bridge 225 broadcast IETF
 frame-relay lmi-type ansi
 bridge-group 1
!
interface BVI1
 ip address 192.168.3.242 255.255.255.0 secondary
 ip address 192.168.2.242 255.255.255.0

!
router igrp 1
 network 192.1.0.0
 network 192.2.0.0
 network 193.3.0.0
!
ip classless
!
bridge irb
 bridge 1 protocol ieee
 bridge 1 route ip
!


>
> For eg,
> our FR switch is setup for Full mesh,But out network is setup as Hub &
Spoke
> FAQ, list archives, and subscription info:
http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
> Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>


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RE: HELP!! The Cisco Code & Windows XP [7:16604]

2001-08-21 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer

I wish that Networking 101 was required in schools. Then even the 
Management by Business Week types would know about the 7 layers and that 
the operating system, which generally deals with local file management and 
I/O, should not matter when considering traffic going through routers and 
switches.

In actuality, there may be issues because the TCP/IP stack and other 
protocols are part of the operating system and they could be buggy, but if 
they are standard and not buggy, then there shouldn't be an issue.

I don't mean to flame the person that asked. It can't hurt to do some 
research, and there was that one bug with 802.1x security and Catalyst 5000 
switches connecting PCs running Windows XP, but that kind of thing 
shouldn't happen. On the other hand, both Cisco and Microsoft like to take 
simple concepts (like bridging, etc.) and make them so complicated that 
bugs are bound to happen.

We run an ISP among other things. I wish that our users would take the 
basic networking class also. This morning someone called and said she had 
an error message about running out of server space. So I talked to her 
about not keeping mail on the server. She said, "you mean I can't keep 
messages in my In Box?" Sigh. Networking 101 would have a short section on 
client/server architecture too.

Sorry for the babbling. Haven't had my latte yet.

Priscilla




At 12:05 AM 8/21/01, Chuck Larrieu wrote:
>I'm sure you've had your fair share of smart remarks by now. So I won't add
>my own. I will remark that in fairness to your boss, there is probably
>something he has heard or read which caused him to look for reassurance.
>
>for example, is there a concern with VPN compatibility of operation using
>Win XP VPN client software? is there a security concern based upon published
>writings about the XP TCP stack?
>
>if the question is "will Cisco routers pass traffic generated by XP
>machines?" the answer is "sure. why not" after all, there is nothing in an
>IP or a TCP header that indicates the type of host OS that originates the
>packet. as long as the traffic is contained in valid packets, the router
>will pass process them. knowing that, may I recommend you sit down with the
>boss and ask what his concerns are. what has he read? what has he heard? why
>would he think there is reason to be concerned? hell, he could be a victim
>of MBBW ( Management By Business Week - where the president of the company
>saw something in Business Week Magazine over the weekend and on Monday
>morning told your boss to investigate and come back with report. ;->
>
>( and yes, I know some bosses are "she" )
>
>Chuck
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
>Ray Smith
>Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 5:38 PM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: HELP!! The Cisco Code & Windows XP [7:16604]
>
>
>Guys,
>
>After my boss delegated me to research all I can about what is need to
>upgrade if necessary our Cisco routers and switches to work with Windows-XP,
>I was only able to assert from information on the web that there is a bug in
>the switch software that is incompatible with XP.
>
>Does anyone here know of any valuable information that can help me with
>compiling an educated assessment of this research?  Is anyone out there
>knowledgeable of this issue either from personal experience or from
>literature?  I would really appreciate some feedback.
>
>The only problems that I have actually heard of thus far is that which
>occurred during the beta test that brought down one of Xerox's network.  I
>understand that there is a patch that is available as a fix, in addition to
>the option of upgrading the Switch code.  My question is: -
>
>a). Does the incompatibility only exist with the Switch software or with the
>router IOS as
>  well?
>
>b). Is the patch the best way of dealing with the problem?
>
>I appreciate any help that I can get.  Thanks
>
>
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Re: Training [7:16684]

2001-08-21 Thread Donald B Johnson jr

I have a five year old that could probably teach that ultimate hacking.
Cause he is my number one flea.


- Original Message -
From: "John Chang" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 9:17 AM
Subject: Training [7:16684]


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Re: CHALLENGE PROBLEM (was Re: For FR Grus.... [7:16635]) [7:16695]

2001-08-21 Thread Donald B Johnson jr

yeah but he is using irb with a bvi and igrp it is probably a split h issue
it creating a loopa

- Original Message -
From: "McCallum, Robert" 
To: "'Donald B Johnson jr'" ; 
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 9:26 AM
Subject: RE: CHALLENGE PROBLEM (was Re: For FR Grus [7:16635]) [7:16681]


> you can correct me here if I am wrong but split horizon is only used in
distance vector protocols NO???
>
> The problem here without giving the answer is that a router is expected to
pass a packet out of an interface which is on its own subnet !!  Doesn't
compute!  What is the routing protocol being used to route ip??  This is
where the answer will lye
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Donald B Johnson jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 21 August 2001 17:06
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: CHALLENGE PROBLEM (was Re: For FR Grus [7:16635])
> [7:16681]
>
>
> I don't think bridge will work on this network because of split horizon.
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Brian"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 7:51 AM
> Subject: CHALLENGE PROBLEM (was Re: For FR Grus [7:16635]) [7:16659]
>
>
> > On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Cisco Lover wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Guys..
> > >
> > > Come with some New Queston..
> >
> > hmm, ok, so your looking for some challenging questions? Ok, I will post
> > one, its got FR in it.  First I'll post the problem, followed by the
> > config:
> >
> > THE PROBLEM
> > ===
> > Users on DLCI's 200, 224, 201, 225 cannot communicate to eachother.
They
> > can talk just fine to the rest of the network, but no packets can pass
> > between them.  Later discovery reveals that so long as they are on
> > different layer 3 network addressing, communcation can occur, but if
they
> > are on the same network, such as 192.168.3.0, then they cannot
communicate
> >
> > What is the problem?  I will reply to let everyone know who got the
> > correct answer.
> >
> > Below is the configuration:
> >
> > !
> > version 11.3
> > !
> > interface Ethernet2/0
> >  ip address 192.168.1.242 255.255.255.0
> > !
> > interface Serial4/0
> >  no ip address
> >  encapsulation frame-relay IETF
> >  keepalive 15
> >  frame-relay map bridge 200 broadcast IETF
> >  frame-relay map bridge 224 broadcast IETF
> >  frame-relay map bridge 201 broadcast IETF
> >  frame-relay map bridge 225 broadcast IETF
> >  frame-relay lmi-type ansi
> >  bridge-group 1
> > !
> > interface BVI1
> >  ip address 192.168.3.242 255.255.255.0 secondary
> >  ip address 192.168.2.242 255.255.255.0
> >
> > !
> > router igrp 1
> >  network 192.1.0.0
> >  network 192.2.0.0
> >  network 193.3.0.0
> > !
> > ip classless
> > !
> > bridge irb
> >  bridge 1 protocol ieee
> >  bridge 1 route ip
> > !
> >
> >
> > >
> > > For eg,
> > > our FR switch is setup for Full mesh,But out network is setup as Hub &
> > Spoke
> > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info:
> > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
> > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> >
> >
> > ---
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> > email me for a quote
> >
> > Brian Feeny, CCIE #8036   Scarlett Parria
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > 318-213-4709  318-213-4701
> >
> > Netjam, LLC   http://www.netjam.net
> > 333 Texas St.VISA/MC/AMEX/COD
> > Suite 1401   30 day warranty
> > Shreveport, LA 71101   Cisco Channel Partner
> > toll free: 866-2NETJAM
> > phone:318-212-0245
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Access-Lists [7:16693]

2001-08-21 Thread newbie newbie

Hello All, 

Can anyone recommend good books to read when one wants to configure
access-lists on Cisco devices?

Thanks

James


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RE: CHALLENGE PROBLEM (was Re: For FR Grus.... [7:16635]) [7:16690]

2001-08-21 Thread McCallum, Robert

you can correct me here if I am wrong but split horizon is only used in
distance vector protocols NO???

The problem here without giving the answer is that a router is expected to
pass a packet out of an interface which is on its own subnet !!  Doesn't
compute!  What is the routing protocol being used to route ip??  This is
where the answer will lye

-Original Message-
From: Donald B Johnson jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 21 August 2001 17:06
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: CHALLENGE PROBLEM (was Re: For FR Grus [7:16635])
[7:16681]


I don't think bridge will work on this network because of split horizon.




- Original Message -
From: "Brian" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 7:51 AM
Subject: CHALLENGE PROBLEM (was Re: For FR Grus [7:16635]) [7:16659]


> On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Cisco Lover wrote:
>
> > Hi Guys..
> >
> > Come with some New Queston..
>
> hmm, ok, so your looking for some challenging questions? Ok, I will post
> one, its got FR in it.  First I'll post the problem, followed by the
> config:
>
> THE PROBLEM
> ===
> Users on DLCI's 200, 224, 201, 225 cannot communicate to eachother.  They
> can talk just fine to the rest of the network, but no packets can pass
> between them.  Later discovery reveals that so long as they are on
> different layer 3 network addressing, communcation can occur, but if they
> are on the same network, such as 192.168.3.0, then they cannot communicate
>
> What is the problem?  I will reply to let everyone know who got the
> correct answer.
>
> Below is the configuration:
>
> !
> version 11.3
> !
> interface Ethernet2/0
>  ip address 192.168.1.242 255.255.255.0
> !
> interface Serial4/0
>  no ip address
>  encapsulation frame-relay IETF
>  keepalive 15
>  frame-relay map bridge 200 broadcast IETF
>  frame-relay map bridge 224 broadcast IETF
>  frame-relay map bridge 201 broadcast IETF
>  frame-relay map bridge 225 broadcast IETF
>  frame-relay lmi-type ansi
>  bridge-group 1
> !
> interface BVI1
>  ip address 192.168.3.242 255.255.255.0 secondary
>  ip address 192.168.2.242 255.255.255.0
>
> !
> router igrp 1
>  network 192.1.0.0
>  network 192.2.0.0
>  network 193.3.0.0
> !
> ip classless
> !
> bridge irb
>  bridge 1 protocol ieee
>  bridge 1 route ip
> !
>
>
> >
> > For eg,
> > our FR switch is setup for Full mesh,But out network is setup as Hub &
> Spoke
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RE: Training [7:16684]

2001-08-21 Thread William E. Gragido

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Re: CHALLENGE PROBLEM (was Re: For FR Grus.... [7:16635]) [7:16687]

2001-08-21 Thread Brian

On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Donald B Johnson jr wrote:

> I don't think bridge will work on this network because of split horizon.

Can you be more clear about your answer?

Brian


>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Brian" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 7:51 AM
> Subject: CHALLENGE PROBLEM (was Re: For FR Grus [7:16635]) [7:16659]
>
>
> > On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Cisco Lover wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Guys..
> > >
> > > Come with some New Queston..
> >
> > hmm, ok, so your looking for some challenging questions? Ok, I will post
> > one, its got FR in it.  First I'll post the problem, followed by the
> > config:
> >
> > THE PROBLEM
> > ===
> > Users on DLCI's 200, 224, 201, 225 cannot communicate to eachother.  They
> > can talk just fine to the rest of the network, but no packets can pass
> > between them.  Later discovery reveals that so long as they are on
> > different layer 3 network addressing, communcation can occur, but if they
> > are on the same network, such as 192.168.3.0, then they cannot
communicate
> >
> > What is the problem?  I will reply to let everyone know who got the
> > correct answer.
> >
> > Below is the configuration:
> >
> > !
> > version 11.3
> > !
> > interface Ethernet2/0
> >  ip address 192.168.1.242 255.255.255.0
> > !
> > interface Serial4/0
> >  no ip address
> >  encapsulation frame-relay IETF
> >  keepalive 15
> >  frame-relay map bridge 200 broadcast IETF
> >  frame-relay map bridge 224 broadcast IETF
> >  frame-relay map bridge 201 broadcast IETF
> >  frame-relay map bridge 225 broadcast IETF
> >  frame-relay lmi-type ansi
> >  bridge-group 1
> > !
> > interface BVI1
> >  ip address 192.168.3.242 255.255.255.0 secondary
> >  ip address 192.168.2.242 255.255.255.0
> >
> > !
> > router igrp 1
> >  network 192.1.0.0
> >  network 192.2.0.0
> >  network 193.3.0.0
> > !
> > ip classless
> > !
> > bridge irb
> >  bridge 1 protocol ieee
> >  bridge 1 route ip
> > !
> >
> >
> > >
> > > For eg,
> > > our FR switch is setup for Full mesh,But out network is setup as Hub &
> > Spoke
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> > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
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Re: A new networking term - thoughts? [7:16668]

2001-08-21 Thread John Neiberger

I've actually heard that term used before, and I think it *may* have
been in one of Howard's books or CertificationZone papers.  Maybe not,
I'm sure he'll correct me.  I do know that I've heard the term "split
horizon" in this context before.  

I agree that we should probably use it more often.  A slight
modification might be that a BGP speaker will ignore updates that
include its own ASN in the path.  I don't know if that still qualifies
as split horizon since it's the receiver of the route that is
disallowing the update, not the sender (as in the case of split horizon
in other protocols.)Still, the end result is the same and I think it
applies.

John

>>> "Chuck Larrieu"  8/21/01 9:29:20 AM >>>
As a result of an off-list conversation, I came across the following
networking term:

iBGP split horizon

my first reaction was a sarcastic remark about never having come across
the
term in the RFC's. but then I got to thinking about it, and I now see
this
as a descriptive and quite useful term.

recall that distance vector protocols are subject to the rule of split
horizon. they do not advertise a route back out the interface that
they
received that particular route.

one of the gotchas of iBGP is the fact that iBGP routers do not
propagate
routes learned from one iBGP neighbor to other iBGP neighbors. hence
the
requirement for iBGP full mesh.

so why not call this iBGP split horizon? and define it as follows: an
iBGP
router will not advertise a route back out the same AS from which it
learned
the route?

does this make sense? worth letting this one join the lexicon of
networking
terminology?

Chuck




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Switching ccie LAB from october 3rd to December 1st week [7:16682]

2001-08-21 Thread Almazi Rashid

Hi all .
Me and my friend have the lab date for 3rd october and 11th october.We want 
to switch in 1st week of december of course 2001.

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Re: CHALLENGE PROBLEM (was Re: For FR Grus.... [7:16635]) [7:16681]

2001-08-21 Thread Donald B Johnson jr

I don't think bridge will work on this network because of split horizon.




- Original Message -
From: "Brian" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 7:51 AM
Subject: CHALLENGE PROBLEM (was Re: For FR Grus [7:16635]) [7:16659]


> On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Cisco Lover wrote:
>
> > Hi Guys..
> >
> > Come with some New Queston..
>
> hmm, ok, so your looking for some challenging questions? Ok, I will post
> one, its got FR in it.  First I'll post the problem, followed by the
> config:
>
> THE PROBLEM
> ===
> Users on DLCI's 200, 224, 201, 225 cannot communicate to eachother.  They
> can talk just fine to the rest of the network, but no packets can pass
> between them.  Later discovery reveals that so long as they are on
> different layer 3 network addressing, communcation can occur, but if they
> are on the same network, such as 192.168.3.0, then they cannot communicate
>
> What is the problem?  I will reply to let everyone know who got the
> correct answer.
>
> Below is the configuration:
>
> !
> version 11.3
> !
> interface Ethernet2/0
>  ip address 192.168.1.242 255.255.255.0
> !
> interface Serial4/0
>  no ip address
>  encapsulation frame-relay IETF
>  keepalive 15
>  frame-relay map bridge 200 broadcast IETF
>  frame-relay map bridge 224 broadcast IETF
>  frame-relay map bridge 201 broadcast IETF
>  frame-relay map bridge 225 broadcast IETF
>  frame-relay lmi-type ansi
>  bridge-group 1
> !
> interface BVI1
>  ip address 192.168.3.242 255.255.255.0 secondary
>  ip address 192.168.2.242 255.255.255.0
>
> !
> router igrp 1
>  network 192.1.0.0
>  network 192.2.0.0
>  network 193.3.0.0
> !
> ip classless
> !
> bridge irb
>  bridge 1 protocol ieee
>  bridge 1 route ip
> !
>
>
> >
> > For eg,
> > our FR switch is setup for Full mesh,But out network is setup as Hub &
> Spoke
> > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info:
> http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
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> >
>
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>
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Re: What Router for Routing Between VLANS [7:16609]

2001-08-21 Thread EA Louie

Is that the same principle as "one does not route between LANs" ?

or "bridge where you can, route where you must" ?

- Original Message -
From: "Peter Van Oene" 
To: "EA Louie" ; 
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 5:51 AM
Subject: Re: What Router for Routing Between VLANS [7:16609]


For clarity since VLANs are a pet peeve of mine, can we ask which router
will route between trunked interfaces?  One does not route between VLANs,
one routes between IP subnets with IP routers.



*** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***

On 8/21/2001 at 2:40 AM EA Louie wrote:

>any router that supports VLAN trunking (802.1q or ISL).  The 2600 does if
>equipped with a fastethernet interface.
>see http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/473/50.shtml (I it got using a search
>for intervlan routing)
>which indicates the minimun router is the 2620
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Circusnuts"
>To:
>Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 7:23 PM
>Subject: What Router for Routing Between VLANS [7:16609]
>
>
>> I have lent out my CCNP books & do not remember all the router models
>that
>> can
>> route between VLAN's.  I currently have a 4700M doing the job, but wanted
>to
>> know if a 2600 would route them.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Phil
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Re: A new networking term - thoughts? [7:16668]

2001-08-21 Thread Brian

Interesting,

But traditional split-horizon seems to be concerned with the "interface"
the routes came in and went out on, whereas with iBGP the routes are not
passed even if they come in one interface, but are being sent out another,
Its more of a peer level than an interface level.

Brian

On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Chuck Larrieu wrote:

> As a result of an off-list conversation, I came across the following
> networking term:
>
> iBGP split horizon
>
> my first reaction was a sarcastic remark about never having come across the
> term in the RFC's. but then I got to thinking about it, and I now see this
> as a descriptive and quite useful term.
>
> recall that distance vector protocols are subject to the rule of split
> horizon. they do not advertise a route back out the interface that they
> received that particular route.
>
> one of the gotchas of iBGP is the fact that iBGP routers do not propagate
> routes learned from one iBGP neighbor to other iBGP neighbors. hence the
> requirement for iBGP full mesh.
>
> so why not call this iBGP split horizon? and define it as follows: an iBGP
> router will not advertise a route back out the same AS from which it
learned
> the route?
>
> does this make sense? worth letting this one join the lexicon of networking
> terminology?
>
> Chuck
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Re: RIF Note [7:16645]

2001-08-21 Thread Phil Barker

Yes,
   Rossi is correct.

Phil.
 
--- "Wright, Jeremy"  wrote: >
For those of you studying for the CCIE written
> (including myself) the Exam
> Cram book states on page 68 that "A 1 bit indicates
> the RIF is read left to
> right, and a 0 is read right to left." In the Rossi
> Paper it states "0 means
> the RIF is read left to right, 1 means the RIF is
> read right to left".
> Obviously these contradict each other but I am going
> to go with the Rossi
> paper over Exam Cram unless I'm reading something
> wrong.
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RE: A new networking term - thoughts? [7:16668]

2001-08-21 Thread Ole Drews Jensen

Chuck, I think there's a difference here. Split Horizon as you say, does not
advertise a route back out the interface that it received it on, but the
iBGP does not only not propagate a route learned from other iBGP out the
receiving interface, but it does not propagate it out any interfaces unless
it has been setup as a cluster server.

If you would name this, it would probably be something like "iBGP horizon"
:-)

Just my 0010 cents.

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-Original Message-
From: Chuck Larrieu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 10:29 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: A new networking term - thoughts? [7:16668]


As a result of an off-list conversation, I came across the following
networking term:

iBGP split horizon

my first reaction was a sarcastic remark about never having come across the
term in the RFC's. but then I got to thinking about it, and I now see this
as a descriptive and quite useful term.

recall that distance vector protocols are subject to the rule of split
horizon. they do not advertise a route back out the interface that they
received that particular route.

one of the gotchas of iBGP is the fact that iBGP routers do not propagate
routes learned from one iBGP neighbor to other iBGP neighbors. hence the
requirement for iBGP full mesh.

so why not call this iBGP split horizon? and define it as follows: an iBGP
router will not advertise a route back out the same AS from which it learned
the route?

does this make sense? worth letting this one join the lexicon of networking
terminology?

Chuck




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Re: For FR Grus.... [7:16635]

2001-08-21 Thread Brian

On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Donald B Johnson jr wrote:

> How do you set up a sw as a full mesh and a network as a HUB and Spoke. I
> dont understand.

Because you only use some of the DLCI's, not all of them.

> - Original Message -
> From: "Cisco Lover"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 7:08 AM
> Subject: Fwd: For FR Grus [7:16635]
>
>
> > Oopss
> >
> > Sorry guys...I donto know where it lost in b/w..Any way..I have write it
> > here again.
> >
> > Thanks for the kind replies..
> > For eg,
> >
> > our FR switch is setup for Full mesh,But out network is setup as Hub &
> Spoke
> > environment.In that case there must be some unused DLCI's on spoke
routers
> > which we would still be seeing as active on these routers although they
> > would be  of no use offcourse for this envioronmetnt.
> > Is there any way If we can get rid of these DLCIS on the spokes.i.e  to
> > disable them or USE any  method which block them to be appearing on spoek
> > routers.(without touching FR switch)
> >
> > I know Must be confusing for majority here ..But ..
> >
> > I AM SURE I WILL GET THE SOLUTION  HERE AS WELL.
> >
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: "Cisco Lover"
> > >Reply-To: "Cisco Lover"
> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >Subject: For FR Grus [7:16635]
> > >Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 07:06:08 -0400
> > >
> > >Hi Guys..
> > >
> > >Come with some New Queston..
> > >
> > >For eg,
> > >our FR switch is setup for Full mesh,But out network is setup as Hub &
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looking for CCIE study group in New Jersey [7:16674]

2001-08-21 Thread Eric An

E-mail me if you are working on CCIE, and would like to form CCIE study
group in North Jersy.

Eric




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Re: For FR Grus.... [7:16635]

2001-08-21 Thread Raul F. Fernandez-IGLOU

If  dont want to use the DLCs and you are using a physical interface for
frame-relay just disable frame-relay inverse arp. If you dont want to do
that use point - to - point subinterfaces and define the DLCI you want to
use on the subinterface.

Raul
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From: "Donald B Johnson jr" 
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Subject: Re: For FR Grus [7:16635]


> How do you set up a sw as a full mesh and a network as a HUB and Spoke. I
> dont understand.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Cisco Lover"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 7:08 AM
> Subject: Fwd: For FR Grus [7:16635]
>
>
> > Oopss
> >
> > Sorry guys...I donto know where it lost in b/w..Any way..I have write it
> > here again.
> >
> > Thanks for the kind replies..
> > For eg,
> >
> > our FR switch is setup for Full mesh,But out network is setup as Hub &
> Spoke
> > environment.In that case there must be some unused DLCI's on spoke
routers
> > which we would still be seeing as active on these routers although they
> > would be  of no use offcourse for this envioronmetnt.
> > Is there any way If we can get rid of these DLCIS on the spokes.i.e  to
> > disable them or USE any  method which block them to be appearing on
spoek
> > routers.(without touching FR switch)
> >
> > I know Must be confusing for majority here ..But ..
> >
> > I AM SURE I WILL GET THE SOLUTION  HERE AS WELL.
> >
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: "Cisco Lover"
> > >Reply-To: "Cisco Lover"
> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >Subject: For FR Grus [7:16635]
> > >Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 07:06:08 -0400
> > >
> > >Hi Guys..
> > >
> > >Come with some New Queston..
> > >
> > >For eg,
> > >our FR switch is setup for Full mesh,But out network is setup as Hub &
> > >Spoke
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