Security: Firewalls setup

2001-01-06 Thread Daniel Boutet

Hi all,

I was brought in a meeting which I am over my head (typical me).
The scenario goes like this: (there is actually two similar setup that needs
to be done
and one of them will have the PIX mentioned and the other setup has nothing
yet)

Web clients (through cable modem) want to access an AS400 behind a firewall
(PIX 506 v5.1).
We would like them to authenticate as securely as possible. We do not have a
Tacacs+/Radius
authentication server or any as a matter of fact, yet.

Any comments welcome (reference to a book also welcome).
I have no experience with firewalling so bare with me and be descriptive.
This is just a discussion. I will not be implementing any design myself
but I would like to have a few ideas on how to come about to do this the
"cheapest" way possible.
This is for a College and we are already over budget (as usual).

Thanks





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Passed Switching 2.0

2000-09-13 Thread Daniel Boutet

Thanks to the group for their input. I am learning a lot from just reading
different threads.

There was a few surprises on the exam:

SPAN which their is no mention in Karen Webb's Cisco Press book isbn
1-57870-093-0 or on any of the emails I have read regarding the BCMSN
outlines.
Troubleshooting software packages which I have not seen anywhere either.

Apart from these two subjects (about 5 questions) I would say that the book
is dead on.
Know like the back of your hand:

Trunking, STP, commands (there was two questions where you typed in
the answer) but about ten that you had to choose the right command.

MLS, HSRP,  was not covered intensively.

No Rmon, ATM, LANE, DDR, QoS,  and TAG switching. Even if it is in the
outline from Cisco.
I am no saying that there cannot be any question on these subjects but
rather that I did not get any.

I found the exam fairly easy but I was well prepared for it (except for span
and the troubleshooting software packages). I scored 912/1000 for a 699
passing score in 75 minutes and 64 questions. I wrote it in 45 minutes.

Thanks again to the group!


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Re: BCMSN: VLAN's and Subnets

2000-09-20 Thread Daniel Boutet

I noticed after I sent. Sorry Ole


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> That was only to show which VLAN's I assigned which layer 3 addresses
for...
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ole
>
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> -Original Message-
> From: Daniel Boutet1 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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> To: Ole Drews Jensen; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: BCMSN: VLAN's and Subnets
>
>
> I have one problem with this scenario:
>
> Why did you put VLAN under layer 3 info?
>
> As far as I know they are strictly L2
>
> My two cents:
>
> Assuming that they have their own servers, and that you are not routing
> between them
> then they can have any address that you wish (private). It is like having
> two LANs.
> The switches can also be totally separate.
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
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> Ole Drews Jensen
> Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 9:48 AM
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> Subject: BCMSN: VLAN's and Subnets
>
>
> I have a question about implementing VLAN's in existing LAN's.
>
> Let's say that I have one office with stacked switches connecting 100
users
> to a network with a couple of servers and other good stuff.
>
> Layer 2 info : Ethernet, one big broadcast domain
> Layer 3 info : IP, one full class C : 192.168.16.0
>
> After having analyzed the entire LAN, I find out that 50 users are using
> resources that the other 50 users are not using, and the same thing the
> other way around. Instead of splitting the stacked switches up in two
> separated physical stacks, I now assign the ports for the first 50 users
to
> VLAN 11 and for the rest 50 users VLAN 12.
>
> Layer 2 info : Ethernet, two big broadcast domains (not including
> VLAN1)
> Layer 3 info : IP, one full class C : 192.168.16.0
>
> I would assume that this would work great as long as noone from VLAN 11
> needs any resources from VLAN 12, and the same thing the other way around.
>
> Now to my question (which is more a confirmation of my theory):
>
> I would only need to split my class C up in subnets if I want Inter-VLAN
> communication between my VLAN 11 and VLAN 12 right???
>
> Layer 2 info : Ethernet, two big broadcast domains (not including
> VLAN1)
> Layer 3 info : IP, VLAN 11 : 192.168.16.64/26, VLAN 12 :
> 192.168.16.128/26
>
> Do I have the right idea, or am I way off???
>
> Thanks for your comments on this.
>
> Ole
>
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Re: CCNP 2.0 books

2000-09-21 Thread Daniel Boutet

Try http://www.ciscopress.com for starter.
The http://www.groupstudy.com also has an archive full of recommendation on
books with isbn numbers provided.
It is amazing what you will find in there.



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> I've checked on Amazon and haven't seen any new releases for study guides
or
> exam preps for the 2.0 track.  Maybe i'm just not looking hard enough.
Does
> anyone have recommendations or other good sites for BCMSN, BCRAN, and BSCN
> books?  thanks all
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Re: BCMSN - Passed

2000-09-21 Thread Daniel Boutet

Congrats!

I feel books are a lot more complete than what you can learn with an
elearning course. It is only part
of what you need to learn. It is in effect ONE tool.

Keeping also in mind that ONE book is never enough to learn. It is however
sometimes enough to pass an exam
but who on this list just want to "pass" an exam. We are here to know the
stuff.

CCO is in my opinion the best reference out there. It beats books. The
drawback is that it provides tons and tons
of information and you have to choose what you should read. But all the
information is in there somewhere.

There are also some good self test that can help you gage and I stress the
word GAGE your knowledge in
an area. It will help you know if you understand the subject as well as you
think you understand it.

And like me you are limited while you are studying with the hands-on.
Virtual labs are a good tool, if you have the $
to practice. When I first started my Cisco cert. I did not know that it was
possible to practice on the internet some of the stuff you learn in the
books. I bought a couple of PC Bus cards to be able to practice my routing.
It is definitely not enough but that is all I could afford.

This list is also a good learning tool. Read, read, and read some more. Try
to solve some of these problems that
are presented on this list. It is amazing how you can learn.

My point is: try to use all the resources available out there. It would be
nice to have the LAB but you can learn to a certain level without the
expansive lab at home.

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> It wasn't prettybut the score was in my favor (715).
> Studied using the E-Learning BCMSN course from Cisco.
>
> Last night I saw a copy of Karen Webb's Cisco Press -
>
> "Building Cisco Multilayer Switched Networks"
>   ISBN 1-57870-093-0  Published May 2000
>
>   and saw where most of the test questions came from!!
>   (UpLink Fast not mentioned in E-Learning to my recollection)
>
> This book costs $60 and the E-Learning (discounted) was $500!
> Go figure.   Onto BCRAN (using E-Learning and Catherine Paquet's
> Cisco Press book).
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> Wouldn't it be nice to have lab equipment too??
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Re: PASSED BSCN WITH A 963!

2000-10-03 Thread Daniel Boutet




Congratulation,
 
I will  start to study for this exam next week. I saw 
your mark (impressive! and I do not think that it has to do with 
photo...memory)
and the CCIE Lab book you used. What is the ISBN # Please! 


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  advantage is that i have a photographic memory.  



Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review)

2000-10-14 Thread Daniel Boutet

Hey I am only on page 65 and I am getting a little ticked off.
I've been waiting for this book for a month now and I finally got it.
(ordered it so I could not look at it before I paid).
ISBN: 0-07-212477

So far there is a lot of assumption from the authors. All is just "thrown"
with little or no explanation.

Chapter 2 answer key (2.10) full of errors
Typo's:  too many to mention
Figures on Chapter 3 (page 65) not very well presented (personal opinion)

I had high expectation and was anticipating a really good book.

I will follow up on this but sure would like some feedback.

Daniel



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Re: Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review)

2000-10-14 Thread Daniel Boutet

This is actually the third one of this series that I look at. The BCRAN one
was almost a carbon copy of the
Cisco Press book by Karen Webb which was very good.
I also bought the CIT book of this series but I haven't really looked at it
in depth since I am keeping it for my
last CCNP exam. If anyone read the CIT I sure would appreciate some comments
on it.
Did you read the BSCN book Bradley?

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> curious as to how much production time went into them, etc.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Daniel Boutet
> Newsgroups: groupstudy.cisco
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Subject: Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review)
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>
> Hey I am only on page 65 and I am getting a little ticked off.
> I've been waiting for this book for a month now and I finally got it.
> (ordered it so I could not look at it before I paid).
> ISBN: 0-07-212477
>
> So far there is a lot of assumption from the authors. All is just "thrown"
> with little or no explanation.
>
> Chapter 2 answer key (2.10) full of errors
> Typo's:  too many to mention
> Figures on Chapter 3 (page 65) not very well presented (personal opinion)
>
> I had high expectation and was anticipating a really good book.
>
> I will follow up on this but sure would like some feedback.
>
> Daniel
>
>
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Re: Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review)

2000-10-14 Thread Daniel Boutet

Let's hope that the book gets better as I read on. Maybe other reader will
comment on it.
I have other book to accompany this one but I wanted one that contains all
the study material for the exam.

Cisco Router Internetworking  0-07135627-4
Caslow's Bible (Bridges...for CCIE)
Network Design and Case Studies (second ed.)
Giles' All in one  Study Guide

I plan to buy Doyle's TCP/IP bible and probably Stevens TCP/IP Illustrated.
But for now I will read Thomas II book

Daniel


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> Haven't read the BSCN book, no - I read the BCMSN which was loaded with
> mistakes, and I had ordered the BSCN but my order was cancelled because
the
> publication date was pushed back.  I'm not sure I'll re-order it at this
> time.
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Daniel Boutet
> Newsgroups: groupstudy.cisco
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> Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 10:24 AM
> Subject: Re: Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review)
>
>
> This is actually the third one of this series that I look at. The BCRAN
one
> was almost a carbon copy of the
> Cisco Press book by Karen Webb which was very good.
> I also bought the CIT book of this series but I haven't really looked at
it
> in depth since I am keeping it for my
> last CCNP exam. If anyone read the CIT I sure would appreciate some
comments
> on it.
> Did you read the BSCN book Bradley?
>
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> > This seems to be a common problem among that whole series of books.  I'm
> > curious as to how much production time went into them, etc.
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Daniel Boutet
> > Newsgroups: groupstudy.cisco
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 9:59 AM
> > Subject: Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review)
> >
> >
> > Hey I am only on page 65 and I am getting a little ticked off.
> > I've been waiting for this book for a month now and I finally got it.
> > (ordered it so I could not look at it before I paid).
> > ISBN: 0-07-212477
> >
> > So far there is a lot of assumption from the authors. All is just
"thrown"
> > with little or no explanation.
> >
> > Chapter 2 answer key (2.10) full of errors
> > Typo's:  too many to mention
> > Figures on Chapter 3 (page 65) not very well presented (personal
opinion)
> >
> > I had high expectation and was anticipating a really good book.
> >
> > I will follow up on this but sure would like some feedback.
> >
> > Daniel
>
>
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Re: passed BCMSN today

2000-10-14 Thread Daniel Boutet

Way to go!

ISDN, ISDN, ISDN, ISDN...Just a hint for your exam!

Happy studying!
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> Hey guys,
>
> For the most part I've been lurking on this list, but I thought I'd thank
> everyone for all the good input and conversation that goes on here, and to
> give anyone who hasn't taken the test yet an idea of what it's like.  I
> scored an 846, 699 is passing, I found the test to be fairly easy and I
> probably would've scored higher if I had taken my time on it, I was ready
to
> get it over with and pretty much flew through the test.
>
> Here's a general breakdown of what I encountered:
>
> - A healthy dose of "select the best switch for..." questions, with tiny
> scenarios and a choice of switches that would best suit the application.
>
> - Some general switch management stuff, like setting a switch's IP
address,
> port duplex, etc.
>
> - Lots of trunking questions; rules for encapsulation and negotiation,
> problems that can occur with trunks, etc.
>
> - VTP modes, know these fairly well.
>
> - Spanning tree port states and timers, as well as spanning tree
> optimization such as PortFast and UplinkFast, root bridge selection, etc.
>
> - Some general MLS stuff, nothing too difficult, mostly multiple-choice
> commands.
>
> - Very little multicast stuff.  Nature of multicasts, IP-MAC address
> translation, CGMP, very little PIM.
>
> - Know the rules that apply when connecting switches: port speeds, link
> lights, etc.
>
> - No HSRP questions at all.
>
> - No LANE/ATM.
>
> Anyway, I hope whoever is planning on taking the test in the near future
> finds this helpful.  Thanks again for some of the good information I've
> garnered from this list.  Now on to BCRAN I suppose.  Good luck to
everyone
> in their certification endeavors.
>
> ~Seth~
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RE: Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review)

2000-10-15 Thread Daniel Boutet

Sorry I forgot the -6 at the end of the isbn #. It is the new book BSCN book
by Thomas M.Thomas II and company.
So to be clear the isbn is 0-07-212477-6
I have stopped reading it at page 120 yesterday.
I was a little (ok, very) frustrated about the way it is written.
There are a few mistakes: wrong figures to example (Chapt 4), typos, wrong
answer at end of chapter 2 and material not covered adequatly.

I want to be fair to Mr. Thomas so I will continue to review the book as I
go along.
I would sure appreciate some feedback from anybody including Mr. Thomas. I
will go to his site and comment there also at the end of my reading.

I understand that there are always typos, and such in books, being an ex
instructor, but there is a level of expectation
and a serious amount of  that I spend in technical/study
material and I at least expect my $ worth.
So far I am not a happy customer! After, I am done the reading we'll
see.


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Hi,

There is no such a book with this ISBN 0-07-212477, from where you have
ordered this book?
is it the cisco offiicial book?

Thank you Daniel.

Ehab Abdllah

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Hey I am only on page 65 and I am getting a little ticked off.
I've been waiting for this book for a month now and I finally got it.
(ordered it so I could not look at it before I paid).
ISBN: 0-07-212477

So far there is a lot of assumption from the authors. All is just "thrown"
with little or no explanation.

Chapter 2 answer key (2.10) full of errors
Typo's:  too many to mention
Figures on Chapter 3 (page 65) not very well presented (personal opinion)

I had high expectation and was anticipating a really good book.

I will follow up on this but sure would like some feedback.

Daniel



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Continuing on Book review: BSCN Thomas II and company.

2000-10-17 Thread Daniel Boutet

Well, I do not know if you guys read my first comments on the books but I
was not too thrilled about these first few
chapters.

Chapt 2 and 3 are not very strong on presentation and content.  Check
archives for earlier comments

To add to comments about chapt 3:

There is a Command review on IGRP on page 80 which is good but
somewhat not very well explained with the context of the chapter
Left me perplexed anyway!

Chapter 4 is a IPv4 review: subnetting, CIDR,  ip helper address, ip
unnumbered etc This chapter is well presented,
so worth reading,  but what I don't really understand is why the authors
assume that you know what the exact syntax
of a command "replacements" are? Let me explain with an example:

Routerc(config)#  ip unnumbered 

Seems pretty straight forward. But what I like is that it should be
reinforced with perhaps a diagram with proper interface naming and complete
with a concrete example.  I call it a sample configuration!!!

Chapt 5 and 6:

Very good intro to OSPF follow by very good descriptions of output commands.
Now we are talking Mr. Thomas.
Of course I have to comment on the commands that have the "syntax
description" only rather than a real sample configuration. These are STUDY
GUIDES. I am learning the stuff so please do not "assume" that I know it
because I sure don't.

I expected a list of commands as per page 80 at end of chapter 3, but
NO.  What happen to standard
writing between chapters? Doesn't this make it a better flow and answers
readers expectation?

Any comments are welcome. (not too much flaming, please)

Daniel


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Re: BSCN

2000-10-18 Thread Daniel Boutet

If you go back a few days (starting Saturday morning) I have made a few
comments on the same book.
So far, on my first read, it doesn't rate very high. As far as a study guide
for the BSCN exam I would not count on it.
I know I will be using Internet Routing  Architecture by Halabi (Second
Edition) for BGP and at least Jeff Doyle's
"bible" on TCP/IP for OSPF

I am half way through chapter 8 (bgp) and it is good for an intro to bgp. I
did like the "intro" to OSPF also from chapter
5 and 6.  But this is all I will call it "an intro".
It lacks way too much "flow" and there is not nearly enough diagram/example
of real configuration.
However ther is a very good description of the output of the "show commands"
for OSPF.

Just a man's point of view!

Daniel

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Re: Summarization

2000-10-19 Thread Daniel Boutet

Ok, I am joining in a little late since the answer to the question is
complete. I was wondering Geoff why are you stating "  but since the
172.16.0.0 is not included" What do you mean? You've lost me.
The rest of your explanation is also not understood.
I started learning about "summarization" and I need further explanation if
you do not mind.
Thanks

Daniel

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> 172.16.1.0/22 is not correct.  172.16.0.0/22 would be the correct syntax,
> but since the 172.16.0.0 is not included, I would aggregate these 3
networks
> as:
>
> 172.16.1.0
> 172.16.2.0/23
>
>
> Geoff
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "thangs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 10:22 PM
> Subject: Re: Summarization
>
>
> > I feel the summarized supernet route should be 172.16.1.0/22
> >
> > from the below fig ..its clear that the no of common bits in the MSB
part
> is
> > 22
> >
> > |
> > If you expand 172.16.1.0 in bin ->10110110.0001.00
> |01.
> > 172.16.2.0 in bin-->10110110.0001.00
> > |10.
> > 172.16.3.0 in bin-->10110110.0001.00
> > |10.
> >
> > |
> >
> > Thanks
> >   Thangavel
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > |
> > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 3:57 AM
> > Subject: Re: Summarization
> >
> >
> > > In a message dated 10/19/00 4:33:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi All,
> > > >
> > > > There are 3 contiguous networks:
> > > > 172.16.1.0/24
> > > > 172.16.2.0/24
> > > > 172.16.3.0/24
> > > > What is the supernet ?
> > > > Is it 172.16.1.0/22 ? Would you pls explain to me ?
> > > >
> > > > TIA,
> > > >
> > >
> > > That is not the supernet because 172.16.2.0 does not have a common bit
> > place
> > > in 172.16.1.0/22. I believe that this would be superneted to
> > 172.16.0.0/16.
> > > This is where I see them all matching up that is. It would be real
hard
> > for
> > > me to explain this so I'll let someone else do that who is more
> > experienced
> > > with this. Hope I helped a little.
> > >
> > > Mark Zabludovsky ~ CCNA, CCDA, 1/4-NP
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Final review of BSCN Thomas II book

2000-10-22 Thread Daniel Boutet

Rating: 4 on a scale of 1-10

If you haven't gone through the archives to see my first few comments then I
will recapitulate.

What I did not like:

1) Too many errors (typo, figures, wrong answers,)
2) No flow and standard in the writing.
Example: If there is a command review at the end of a chapter, the
reader (me anyway) expect
 that there will be command reviews in the following
chapters
3) Lack of explanation and information in all the tables and diagrams
4) Very confusing presentation of the commands. No flow again and no order
5) Intros only to OSPF, BGP and EIGRP. Not enough info and not very well
ordered.
6) Lacks: RIP, RIPv2 ,IS-IS (at least basic stuff)

What I liked:

1) Fairly good review of the Ip addressing scheme; Classes,
Sub/supernetting, CIDR, IP Unumbered, Classless
 Classful, VLSM etc... tricks stuff for beginners (chapt 4)
2) Very good intros to OSPF, BGP, EIGRP and good definition of terms
3) Very good description of the output of different SHOW commands, OSPF
especially

Overall this book  lacks depth and I do not feel that this book will help
you with your BSCN exam very much,
unless you are looking for an intro to routing protocol and you want to add
a book to your library. I wouldn't
recommend this book for anything else.  Not worth $101.95 cdn

I am not recommending this book for the BSCN but rather a few other books.
A MUST is Mr Doyle's ROUTING TCP/IP which covers OSPF, RIP, RIPv2, EIGRP and
IS-IS.

There is a second edition of INTERNET ROUTING ARCHITECTURE  by Mr Halabi,
which covers BGP inside and out.

With those two books (which you will need anyway for your CCIE library) you
will be able to understand about routing
protocols.

Just a man's point of view !

Any comment are welcome!

Daniel





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Re: BSCN/Routing 2.0: Here's the Gouge...

2000-10-22 Thread Daniel Boutet

Thanks a lot Jennifer and congratulation.
It seems that Cisco has a very accurate exam outline
for this exam which is very surprising if I compare it to the other exam I
have written (BCRAN and BCMSN)

Good luck!

Daniel

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> test), so the information I share is fresh in my head.  I hope it helps
some
> folks out there.
>
> The Breakdown:
> 61 questions, 75 minutes, need 690 (on a scale of 300-100) to pass.
> It took me 1 hour, and I'm a slow test taker.
>
> Section Analysis:
> Routing Principles (not so many questions)
> Extending IP Addresses (not so many questions)
> Configuring OSPF in a Single Area (tons of questions)
> Interconnecting Multiple OSPF Areas (alot of questions)
> Configuring EIGRP (not so many questions)
> Configuring Basic Border Gateway Protocol (tons of questions)
> Implementing BGP in Scalable Networks (not so many questions)
> Optimizing Routing Update Operation (a few questions)
> Implementing Scalability Features in Your Internetwork (a few questions)
>
> Types of Questions:
> 1) Theory, and lots of it, where you have to pick the best 2 or 3 of the
> bunch
> 2) Here's the config, and what does it mean, what does it do
> 3) Which config. accomplishes the following xxx
> 4) What command do you use to do xxx, and you select from a huge list in
the
> exhibit; know if you're in global mode, interface mode, etc.
> 5) Drag & drop "matching" style
> 6) Summarization related
> 7) Apply the theory you know to some situation, such as interpreting show
> command outputs
>
> Key Concepts to Study (theory and implementation):
> Distance Vector/Link State, How BGP/OSPF/EIGRP work (e.g., updates,
hellos,
> opens), ip helpers, OSPF LSAs, Summarizing, BGP route selection criteria,
> route reflector, next hop, prefix list, policy routing, redistribution
(for
> BGP/OSPF/EIGRP), basic show commands
>
> Resources:
> 1. If you have the BSCN course material, that's great.  Or buy Cisco Press
> BSCN book when it comes out.  These are bread and butter for the test and
> keep you focused on what you need to know for the test, rather than having
> to dig around multiple sources (I hate that).
> 2. Supplemental resources to further explain things that you don't fully
> understand from the above are Doyle's TCP/IP Cisco Press book, ACRC Cisco
> Press book, Halabi's Internet Routing Architectures Cisco Press book, and
> Thomas's OSPF Cisco Press book (to view the show command screen outputs).
I
> basically used these for reference, not for reading cover to cover.
>
> Practice Tests (do after you think you're done studying for the test):
> 1. Boson (I bought test 3, which has some lu lu's on there, especially
quiz
> D.  Each of 4 quizzes in test 3 had 51 questions, so test 3 had 204 total
> questions.  Some questions stressed the same stuff over and over, but
that's
> ok so I can retain and take each quiz just once.  Test 1, 2, or 3 can be
> downloaded for about $30 each from http://www.boson.com/)
> 2. Free CCO/Colt (strange wording that will deflate your confidence if you
> use that as a basis for your understanding, plus they don't give you the
> answers; they just tell you which questions you answered wrong)
> http://www.cisco.com/cgi-bin/front.x/wwtraining/colt/ColtLogin.pl
>
> Misc. Tips:  There is no such thing as too much studying!  The questions
> really make you think and apply what you learned;  very few questions are
> simply recalling things by rote (those of course, are the easy ones).
Close
> the books by 10pm the night before the test and watch ER :-)
>
> I'll post to the list as I continue the road to CCNP.
>
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Re: Free Cisco Upsell Kit...oh yeah and shirt

2000-10-25 Thread Daniel Boutet

Thanks!

I am from Canada (hey) and I have applied for it. Maybe I will have to pay
shipping and handling. So what!

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hit
> to continue.
>
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> Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 7:07 AM
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> Subject: Free Cisco Upsell Kit...oh yeah and shirt
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Stub Area

2000-10-25 Thread Daniel Boutet

Please could anyone confirm these statements:

1) No AS External LSA (type 5) originate from a stub area
2) No ASBR Summary LSA (type 4) originate from router if not an ABR router
(internal router)
3) In the network statement you would use:
router ospf 1
network 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 area 10

OSPF would run on all active interface (unless "passive-interface command"
used on some interface))

Would you still use a loopback address?
interface loopback0
ip address 192.168.10.1
router ospf 1
network 192.168.100.0  0.0.255.255 area 10

Wouldn't your "network statement" advertise your loopback since it "fit"
inside the inverse mask or would you write
your network statement more restrictive:
router ospf 1
network 192.168.100.0  0.0.0.255 area 10

Let's say you have 15 routers inside the stub network; would this produce
uneccessary LSA's?

I am still learning the OSPF process so please be very descriptive in your
answer.

Thanks

Daniel


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Re: ospf over secondary ip address

2000-10-26 Thread Daniel Boutet

As far as I know if OSPF is running on the primary address then yes it is
possible to run OSPF on a secondary address.
However the secondary network doesn't get Hello packets from the OSPF
protocol. No neighbor adjacency is possible.

Daniel


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Edmonton, Alberta, Canada (Hey)

2000-10-27 Thread Daniel Boutet

Any Cisco people willing to meet? I am now doing OSPF and BGP stuff.
I have my CCNA  in addition (BCRAN and BCMSN)
I also have a small (tiny) lab.
Working on BSCN

Can always email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Need some guidance on OSPF Stub area, inverse mask and loopback

2000-10-27 Thread Daniel Boutet

Please could anyone confirm these statements:

1) No AS External LSA (type 5) originate from a stub area
2) No ASBR Summary LSA (type 4) originate from router
if not an ABR router (internal router)
3) In the network statement you would use:

router ospf 1
network 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 area 10
area 10 stub

OSPF would run on all active interface (unless "passive-interface"
command used on some interface)

Would you still use a loopback address?

interface loopback0
ip address 192.168.10.1
router ospf 1
network 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 area 10
area 10 stub

Wouldn't your "network statement" advertise (more LSA's) your loopback since
it "fit"
inside the all host address? Let's say you have 15 routers inside the stub
network (this is
a possibility, right?) would this produce
unnecessary LSA's by advertising the loopbacks?
Isn't the purpose of a stub area is to limit LSA?

Or would you rewrite your network statement more restrictive:

interface loopback0
ip address 192.168.10.1
router ospf 1
network 192.168.100.1 0.0.63.255 area 10   (100+  allowed to be
advertised)
area 10 stub

Am I understanding the concepts properly about the advertisement?
Is my wildcard ok in my last network statement? This is how I figure the
inverse mask:

In short:   192.168. 0110 0100.1 (for readability only use third octet)
   . 0011 . (I matched the 0 bit for the "I
care"
   and the 1 bit for
the "Don't care"
Thanks

Daniel



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Re: Repeated Questions

2000-10-30 Thread Daniel Boutet

Same thing happen to me. I was thinking at the moment (about 2 months ago)
that I got the answer wrong the first time around. I double checked and I
was right (it was a very straight forward question) the first time.
It is always scary when you get a repeated question or similar scenario.
I remember when I wrote Novell's exams that they come back with the same
subject if you
did not answer it properly the first time around. Not  the same question but
at least the same are of a particular subject.

Just my 2 bits...

Daniel

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> I just took my BCMSN test a few days ago (and passed-yippee!) and had the
> same thing happen.  I had to read the question several times to make sure
I
> wasn't reading it wrong, but yes, it was the same question.  (Luckily, I
> knew the answer!)
>
>
> - Original Message -
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> To: "Cisco Certification Digest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>
>
> > I have just taken my BCMSN test today (30/10) and have encountered
> > repeated questions in my test.
> >
> > 2 questions were repeated EXACTLY, word for word. i.e I got the same
> > questions twice.
> >
> > Another question was repeated, essentially the same, but with some
> > wordings changed.
> >
> > Too bad the repeated questions were the ones that I was unsure of the
> > answers.
> >
> > Have you guys encountered repeated questions before? I would have
believed
> that the test generation algo is better than that!
> > 3 repeated ones! sigh
> >
> > -acy
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Re: CCIE Written Passed

2000-10-30 Thread Daniel Boutet

Congrats Chuck,

This is your time for a little rest before the "big one".
I have been on this list for about four months and realized that the help
I am getting is invaluable. The best advise from the list so far is
surely the reference to Jeff Doyle's BIBLE I have been  procrastinating
on the OSPF (chapter 9) for at least a 1 1/2 week so far. OSPF is so well
written, covered, explained, broken down, configured etc... that I cannot
wait to take in the rest of the book (I started with chapter 9)

My library consist of over 100 books (not only Cisco) and this is by far the
most comprehensible
book that I ran across for the subjects covered (wish BGP was covered). I
know it has been said
a thousand time but if you do not have that book the you don't have a
complete routing library!

Way to go again Chuck and I like your comments!

Daniel

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> Hi, guys and gals! Miss me while I was gone?  :->
>
> I am quite pleased and very proud to announce that I passed my CCIE
written
> this morning. I won't bore you with my score, let alone the number of
> questions on the test and the passing score. This sort of thing
information
> is available elsewhere. My own score is irrelevant, except to say that it
> wasn't even close. ;->
>
> All in all, this was a very good test, in my opinion. There were a couple
of
> questions that might be considered ambiguous. There was certainly a bit of
> whimsy to be found. I nearly broke out laughing at a couple of the totally
> discongrous things I saw. I have to wonder how many test takers even
realize
> the humor that is to be found in a couple of places? :->
>
> In terms of preparation, let me state that in my experience, there is NO
> substitute for Jeff Doyle's TCP/IP Routing, nor Bassam Halabi's Internet
> Routing Architectures. I also used the CCIE Exam Cram book, with good
> effect. Heresy as it is to suggest this, I believe that in terms of pure
> test preparation, that with regards to Radia Perlman's Interconnections,
one
> might find better ways to spend one's time. ( this is NOT to say there is
no
> value to be found, NOR is it to say that one should NOT read the book. It
is
> only to say that in terms of pure preparation for the CCIE written as I
saw
> it, there are better sources available ) I also took advantage of a number
> of study materials freely available from CCO, CCPrep, and our own
groupstudy
> web site. The latter two sites have some token ring / RIF information that
> was invaluable. I also spent a LOT of time with the materials one can
obtain
> by subscribing to Certification Zone ( disclosure - I have been
compensated
> for services rendered to Certification Zone )
>
> If I were to tabulate, I would say that the plurality of questions
involved
> OSPF and bridging of various kinds. There was far less BGP than I would
have
> expected, given what the Blueprint describes. In terms of a couple of
areas,
> such as router operation, protocol behavior fundamentals, and so on, that
> Exam Cram proved to be quite useful. One might consider investing in this
> one even at the CCNA level, and growing into it.
>
> Also, when you read my signature, your will understand that I am
embarrassed
> to report that my worst score by far fell under the category of security
>
> Lastly, I wanted to mention that I saw several questions on my test that I
> have also seen posed here on Groupstudy - almost word for word, and right
> down to some very accurate representations of the diagrams. Some of you
bad
> boys and girls have been violating the NDA. Shame on you ;->
>
> I am aware that Nigel, Bernard, and the other Chuck will be taking their
> written's over the next couple of days. It is definitely looking like the
> class of 2001 is shaping up quite well. Hey, guys, I look forward to
seeing
> your announcements of your own success Monday and Tuesday. There is no
doubt
> in my mind. If I can do it, you certainly can. Just don't outsmart
> yourselves. Always THINK!  :->
>
> I kinda look at it this way. I began the climb to Everest at the shoreline
> of India. CCNA/CCDA = Delhi. CCNP/CCDP = Katmandu. CCIE Written = Base
Camp
> 18,000 feet. The rest of the climb looks real steep, real tough. But I can
> look back along my route and see that I have come a long way. And like the
> Little Engine of lore, I Think I Can! There are too many of you who
are
> entitled to and deserving of my thanks for your advice, your wisdom, your
> good humor, your knowledge. I can only say that it is indeed my privilege
to
> know and associate with each and every one of you.
>
> See you all up on the top of Everest!
>
> Chuck
> BA, MS, CCNA, CCDA, CCNP/Security(!), CCDP
> CCIE Written, CCIE Candidate!
> ( save this e-mail as a collector's item  - I will never sign this way
again
> ;-> )
> --
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BSCN: Books recommendation; my 0.02 cents

2000-11-06 Thread Daniel Boutet

I see a lot of posting about the BSCN books. This is just my point of view
on the
books that are out there for learning the material for the exam and
retaining the information afterwards.

Doyle's Routing TCP/IP covers OSPF/EIGRP completely as well as
 Route map, route redistribution, ODR default route, and route
filtering

Halabi's Interner Routing Architecture covers all you need to know about BGP
and more

There is no need for additional books and YOU NEED THOSE TWO BOOKS
ANYWAY as reference and for CCIE.

The other book out there that tries to cover all the
objectives in one book, but really fails to do so, IMHO, is BSCN by Mr.
Thomas II
I read the book and made some comments on this list earlier last month.
There seemed to
be a consensus on the poor quality of writing on the subjects covered in the
book.

We have to buy enough books as it is so buy the good ones first and if you
want additional resources use CCO

Just a man's point of view..

HTH

Daniel


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Novell 5 DNS or 3500xl problem??

2000-11-10 Thread Daniel Boutet

I am starting to get in on the internetworking portion of the network.

We have 4 3500xl stacked through GBIC running 6 vlans (2 on same switches)
and routing between all of them.
We have a Vlan for the Servers and the rest to different labs.

We are running Novell Primary DNS and Win2000 Secondary DNS. We are also
connected to the outside
to another DNS.

The switch is config with  ip name-server (outside DNS). Do not know if that
matters.

1) When we use primary only the win98 clients goes and grab the Novell DNS,
no problem and I can access
the internal web server and go outside to access our other web server.
2) When we config  a primary DNS and a secondary it cannot go and get the
outside web server.

My question is: What is a way to make sure that my WIN98 machine use our
primary DNS and
then our Secondary if the primary fails without trying to go outside our
network? Is a Novell at the Novell DNS
that I am missing something? Is this a switch config issue?

This is my first go at the internetwork so I do not have any config to
provide. This is only my second day and I am
trying to come up with something to start troubleshooting this issue.

Thanks!

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BCRAN exam and Hats off to all participants!

2000-08-04 Thread Daniel Boutet

First I would like to say that I have been reading posting from this
newsgroup now for almost a month and I have to congadulate
all the participants for the great postings.

Back to subject: Nothing is covered on these subject in my BCRAN book from
McGraw Hill/Syngress ISDN 0-07-211908-X
(it is not a very good book anyhow)

dmz (do not know what that is)
TAG switching
VPN/VPDN
VoIP

I have read that these are not covered on the BCRAN exam but they are part
of the outline from Cisco!
Can anyone clarify if these are covered subject?

Thanks a million!


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BCRAN and Caslow book!

2000-08-14 Thread Daniel Boutet


(config-line)# modem bad

 . Is this one of those undocumented command? I look at cisco' site  and
could not find the command.
It is supposed to remove from service an integrated bad modem on an access
server.

I also would like to say that the Andrew Bruce Caslow: Bridges,Routers and
switches for CCIEs isbn 0-13-082537-9 is a must for any exam preparation.
This book rocks  Very well presented, flow is excellent,
comprehension level doesn't need to be high ( I'm a greenie), good overall
reference book. If there is other books like this one out there I would buy
it for sure.








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Re: Generic Advice for CCNP

2000-08-14 Thread Daniel Boutet

Read part of Caslow's book and I am really enjoying it. I am now preparing
for the BCRAN and found the book a must for
nay of the Cisco's exam. Well organized book and easy to understand. Worth
every penny and more!

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> I've finished my CCNP and have moved on to CCIE written
> studies. Thanks to the recommendations of this newsgroup,
> I bought the Andrew Caslow book, Cisco Certification. In
> reading the first 4 chapters, it occured to me that it would be
> of great benefit to those pursuing the CCNP. For example,
> Caslow's explanation of Frame relay and ISDN are lucid
> almost beyond compare. I used to think Chappell was the
> greatest Cisco author but now I think its Caslow!!!  I wish
> I had read Caslow prior to the BCRAN, ACRC and Support.
> So, my advice--purchase this book--read it topically as it
> applies to the test you are currently studying for. You might
> want to read the first few chapters just for the hell of it...its
> a great intro to cisco routers/switches, interfaces, etc...
>
> So, are there any other Caslow lovers out there? Has anyone
> taken a course from him? Is there anyone familiar with
> Caslow who thinks there is someone better when it comes
> to writing about Cisco technology??? I would like to take
> a class with the guy prior to the CCIE lab.
>
> Cheers,
> -BM
>
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Re: BCRAN

2000-08-18 Thread Daniel Boutet

I just wrote the exam and there was a lot of "writting the commands"
questions but you had a choice of about 80 or so commands.
Know them because they have tricky commands just to confuse the hell out of
you.

Know ISDN and modem stuff very well. Just for reinforcement learn AT
commands.
A few frame and x25 questions. Just a few queuing, aaa, and compression
question.
PPP of course was the main focus.
I got 795 and the passing was 709. I really did not know the MODELS enough.
700 series to 12000 (at least know what their purpose are.)

I could add more but I think that you get the picture.
""Sheahan, Ryan"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> In preparing for the BCRAN exam would you suggest I study the CLI well
> enough to be able to re-enter the commands.  Similar to the Routing exam?
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Ryan Sheahan
> Internetworking Engineer CCNA, NCAE
> Greenwhich Technology Partners
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Re: Bcran cisco 700?

2000-08-23 Thread Daniel Boutet

I wrote the exam on august fifteen and no question on 700 series routers.

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> Are there questions about the cisco 700, and how to configure it, on the
> bcran exam?  Thanx.
>
> Rishard
>
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Re: Bcran cisco 700?

2000-08-23 Thread Daniel Boutet

The group can correct me if I am wrong but Cisco bought an outfit call
Combinet and inherited the 700 series. They are onlu producing three of them
now:
the 761M, 775M, and the 776M.
Don't get me wrong they are supporting the lower end ones also but not just
producing them anymore.


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> Just wondering why Cisco develop different platform other than standard
IOS.
> It makes configuration more complicated.
>
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> > Are there questions about the cisco 700, and how to configure it, on the
> > bcran exam?  Thanx.
> >
> > Rishard
> >
> >
>
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Re: BCRAN EXAM INFO

2000-08-23 Thread Daniel Boutet

Passing mark is 709 for me anyway.  I wrote in a week or so ago. As for how
hard it is, well it is relative with your experience I guess. I wrote over
20 exams
(microsoft, novell, citrix, A+, and cisco) and I would say that it is up in
the 8 region on a scale of 10.

 A good thing that I was not enough prepare for was the kind of series
model. Make sure you know the difference between them.
(700/800/1600/2500/3600/5X00 and even a question on 1 and 12000).

They provide you with about 80 commands and you have to rewrite the correct
one.
Know your ISDN inside and out! (dialer, backup, ppp etc)
A few FR/X25 (PAD, x121 and so on)
Know your modem/reverse telnet/AT commands
Compress, aaa and NAT/PAT briefly cover.

Hope this helps and good luck!

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>
> What's the passing mark for BCRAN exam, how many exam items on the exam?
> Has the BCRAN exam been revised already? I'm planning to take the exam and
> I'm
> using BCRAN by Catherine Paquet /Cisco Press. I want to know whether this
is
> enough
> to prepare me.
>
> I'll really appreciate any response from you ..
> If someone has recently taken this exam, can you kindly share your
> experience. How hard is it
> And what area should I concentrate ( w/o violating Cisco Disclosure )
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ajie
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Multicast adrressing: ip to Mac

2000-08-29 Thread Daniel Boutet

I am studying for the switching exam and I am converting ip multicast
address to ethernet addresses.
What i don't get is that they state in the Cisco press book (page 294/295)
"the least 23 least significant bits of the ip multicast group are place
into the frame..."
"half of the ethernet block 01:00:5e:00:00:00 to 01:00:5e:7f:ff:ff
correspond to ip multicast"

I really only use twenty when I am converting from binary to hex.

Scenario:  224.138.8.5 (to use their example)
1110  1000 1010  1000  0101
01:00:5e:0A:08:05

Since the 01:00:5e:0 are always going to be,  then I am only concerned with
the least significant 20. Is this right?

I did their exercise on page 319/320  and got 100% (their is an errata for
on of the address but it is a decimal to binary error) but I did not
use the 01:00:5e:0 as the base but 01:00:5e:

Thanks!



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Re: Multicast adrressing: ip to Mac

2000-08-29 Thread Daniel Boutet

I wanted to add that there is also an errata to the figure 8-5 page 294 of
the BCMSN book by Karen Webb
The 48-bit ethernet address should read:

 0001   0101 1110 0  which converts to 01:00:5e This leaves
23 bit that can be matched to the Ip Multicast least-significant
23 bits.


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> I am studying for the switching exam and I am converting ip multicast
> address to ethernet addresses.
> What i don't get is that they state in the Cisco press book (page 294/295)
> "the least 23 least significant bits of the ip multicast group are
place
> into the frame..."
> "half of the ethernet block 01:00:5e:00:00:00 to 01:00:5e:7f:ff:ff
> correspond to ip multicast"
>
> I really only use twenty when I am converting from binary to hex.
>
> Scenario:  224.138.8.5 (to use their example)
> 1110  1000 1010  1000  0101
> 01:00:5e:0A:08:05
>
> Since the 01:00:5e:0 are always going to be,  then I am only concerned
with
> the least significant 20. Is this right?
>
> I did their exercise on page 319/320  and got 100% (their is an errata for
> one of the address but it is a decimal to binary error) but I did not
> use the 01:00:5e:0 as the base but 01:00:5e:
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
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Re: Multicast adrressing: ip to Mac

2000-08-29 Thread Daniel Boutet

ok ok ok!!! some of you might think that I was in left field. I think I know
where I went wrong.
I am mixing the 48-bit ethernet address with the conversion process. Let me
explain:

I was adding a full "half octet field" 01:00:5e:0 when it is actually just
one bit (0) from the ethernet address. Group of four bits to convert from
binary to hex.

I actually discover this by replying to my own question.
Sorry for using valuable thread!
Should of tried to understand before asking!



""Daniel Boutet"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> I wanted to add that there is also an errata to the figure 8-5 page 294 of
> the BCMSN book by Karen Webb
> The 48-bit ethernet address should read:
>
>  0001   0101 1110 0  which converts to 01:00:5e This
leaves
> 23 bit that can be matched to the Ip Multicast least-significant
> 23 bits.
>
>
> ""Daniel Boutet"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> 8ogm9b$bsb$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8ogm9b$bsb$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > I am studying for the switching exam and I am converting ip multicast
> > address to ethernet addresses.
> > What i don't get is that they state in the Cisco press book (page
294/295)
> > "the least 23 least significant bits of the ip multicast group are
> place
> > into the frame..."
> > "half of the ethernet block 01:00:5e:00:00:00 to 01:00:5e:7f:ff:ff
> > correspond to ip multicast"
> >
> > I really only use twenty when I am converting from binary to hex.
> >
> > Scenario:  224.138.8.5 (to use their example)
> > 1110  1000 1010  1000  0101
> > 01:00:5e:0A:08:05
> >
> > Since the 01:00:5e:0 are always going to be,  then I am only concerned
> with
> > the least significant 20. Is this right?
> >
> > I did their exercise on page 319/320  and got 100% (their is an errata
for
> > one of the address but it is a decimal to binary error) but I did not
> > use the 01:00:5e:0 as the base but 01:00:5e:
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> >
> >
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IGMP Snoop

2000-08-30 Thread Daniel Boutet

In order to enable CGMP on a switch IGMP snooping has to be disable.

This is what I found on CCO:
http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/473/22.html#IGMP%20Snooping

So is my understanding right. On c5000/c6000 series I have to issue: set
igmp disable in order for cgmp to be enabled?

Issuing the set cgmp enable command won't disable igmp automatically?

Thanks for your help!



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vty access list

2000-08-30 Thread Daniel Boutet

I am aware that access lists have a deny all implicitly applied at the end.
I am also aware that if you enable an access list for http access to the
switch there is also an implicit deny all at the end. But my question is
does this also apply to terminal access list?

I would also like to know the proper syntax to apply this list at the line.
Is this ok?
myrout (config)# access-class 1 permit 1 172.16.1.3
myrout (config)# line vty 0 4
myrout (config-line)# access-class 1 inout

My understanding of the "inout" rather than "in" only is to restrict where
you can telnet once you are in. By adding the "out" where am I restricting
172.16.1.3 ?
Or is it rather that I am allowing 172.16.1.3 to telnet to other device once
I am in the line mode?

A little confused here.


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Re: vty access list

2000-08-30 Thread Daniel Boutet

After is this ok? The first line should read:

myrout (config) # access-list 1 permit 172.16.1.3

My keyboard keys are too close
together.


""Daniel Boutet"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> I am aware that access lists have a deny all implicitly applied at the
end.
> I am also aware that if you enable an access list for http access to the
> switch there is also an implicit deny all at the end. But my question is
> does this also apply to terminal access list?
>
> I would also like to know the proper syntax to apply this list at the
line.
> Is this ok?
> myrout (config)# access-class 1 permit 1 172.16.1.3
> myrout (config)# line vty 0 4
> myrout (config-line)# access-class 1 inout
>
> My understanding of the "inout" rather than "in" only is to restrict where
> you can telnet once you are in. By adding the "out" where am I restricting
> 172.16.1.3 ?
> Or is it rather that I am allowing 172.16.1.3 to telnet to other device
once
> I am in the line mode?
>
> A little confused here.
>
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Re: Multicast adrressing: ip to Mac

2000-09-04 Thread Daniel Boutet

You are absoklutly right. There is no errata because I have also checked.
What I meant to say is a typo or an error!
Sorry for the confusion.

""Daniel Boutet"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> ok ok ok!!! some of you might think that I was in left field. I think I
know
> where I went wrong.
> I am mixing the 48-bit ethernet address with the conversion process. Let
me
> explain:
>
> I was adding a full "half octet field" 01:00:5e:0 when it is actually just
> one bit (0) from the ethernet address. Group of four bits to convert from
> binary to hex.
>
> I actually discover this by replying to my own question.
> Sorry for using valuable thread!
> Should of tried to understand before asking!
>
>
>
> ""Daniel Boutet"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> 8ogo5a$l3h$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8ogo5a$l3h$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > I wanted to add that there is also an errata to the figure 8-5 page 294
of
> > the BCMSN book by Karen Webb
> > The 48-bit ethernet address should read:
> >
> >  0001 0000 0000 0101 1110 0  which converts to 01:00:5e This
> leaves
> > 23 bit that can be matched to the Ip Multicast least-significant
> > 23 bits.
> >
> >
> > ""Daniel Boutet"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > 8ogm9b$bsb$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8ogm9b$bsb$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > I am studying for the switching exam and I am converting ip multicast
> > > address to ethernet addresses.
> > > What i don't get is that they state in the Cisco press book (page
> 294/295)
> > > "the least 23 least significant bits of the ip multicast group are
> > place
> > > into the frame..."
> > > "half of the ethernet block 01:00:5e:00:00:00 to 01:00:5e:7f:ff:ff
> > > correspond to ip multicast"
> > >
> > > I really only use twenty when I am converting from binary to hex.
> > >
> > > Scenario:  224.138.8.5 (to use their example)
> > > 1110  1000 1010  1000  0101
> > > 01:00:5e:0A:08:05
> > >
> > > Since the 01:00:5e:0 are always going to be,  then I am only concerned
> > with
> > > the least significant 20. Is this right?
> > >
> > > I did their exercise on page 319/320  and got 100% (their is an errata
> for
> > > one of the address but it is a decimal to binary error) but I did not
> > > use the 01:00:5e:0 as the base but 01:00:5e:
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > >
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IP Telephony book!

2000-09-07 Thread Daniel Boutet

Now I can say that some things are free. I just received my FREE IP
Telephony book.by Gorolski & Kolon.
Anyone read it yet? Care to comment.?

Thanks to the GROUP for the link and to Cisco for the book!



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Re: IP Telephony book!

2000-09-07 Thread Daniel Boutet

I had quite a few replies sent to my personal address. Please if you have
any questions reply to the group.
Someone else in the group might be interested.

As far as the Free IP Telephony book:  by doing a search in the archives I
came up with:


http://www.cisco.com/pcgi-bin/lm/buffer/offer/govgameplan/1371_gov_jump/V458
-100S1

I think that the last person to post this link was Ed Farmer. So Thank you
Ed!



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> Now I can say that some things are free. I just received my FREE IP
> Telephony book.by Gorolski & Kolon.
> Anyone read it yet? Care to comment.?
>
> Thanks to the GROUP for the link and to Cisco for the book!
>
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Re: Drive, Motivation and Determination !!!!!!!!

2000-09-08 Thread Daniel Boutet

I totally agree with you Terrence. I do not have the opportunity to work
with Cisco Products except AccessPro cards (2).
I also just started my own consulting firm, so it is not easy to be able to
buy the right equipment to paractice on. (NO $ available right now)

I have other certs CNE (3,4,5), MCSE, A+ where I get to practice my skills
everyday.
I also have CCA but do not get to work on Citrix anymore. Not a lot of firms
know about this product Citrix doesn't even have a demo version for labs.
All they provide is a virtual demo room in FLA.

There is also a time factor. I dedicate my time to working and trying to
build a customer base. The time that I can spend in my lab is minimal.
When you decide to study certification like Cisco it would be nice that
Cisco would let us use their lab. After all we are supporting their
products.
Wouldn't it make sense for them to want certified people that at least saw
their products (inside and out) and have minimal hands on?

When I first started this certification I phone my local Cisco office and
asked them if they had a lab I could use. I was turned away as if I was
crazy.
How is a person suppose to get real hands on in Edmonton Alberta? After I
get more knowledge (books) I will try to give my time freely to get some
experience.

Just my two cents.




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> can be obtained by an average person with ENOUGH
> study. The CCIE can be passed if one has access to
> the right equipment. There is NEVER a need to take
> a class or have real experience. . .unless of course
> you actually want to be good at your job. Having said
> that, merely obtaining a cert like the CCNP or MCSE or
> CCNA is of some value depending on the depth of the
> job one needs to perform and the ability of an individual
> to translate theory into practice. Some people can do
> this better than others, but it depends on the individual
> and have much drive, motivation and determination one
> has. In the end, it is drive, motivation and determination
> that makes anyone good at whatever it is they do. . .Cert
> or not, degree or not, smart or average.
>
>
> >From: "Rishard Chapoteau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: "Rishard Chapoteau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: Anyone achieve their CCIE through self study not from work!
> >Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 16:02:35 -0400
> >
> >So your telling us you got your CCNP with no experience at all?  I
> >seriously
> >hope not.
> >
> >Rishard
> >
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> >otherwise
> >my
> > > ccnp status is just a paperwork.
> > > I just wondering does CCIE can be earned through self study, not from
> > > working with system integrator?
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MAC Address support for c1900 series

2000-09-08 Thread Daniel Boutet

I was looking at the specs and it says that it supports 1024 MAC address. My
understanding is that it is what the CAM table will support at one time.
But the specs also states:

"Unlimited MAC addresses support on configurable network port"

This, I don't get. Can anyone explain?

Thanks


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Re: IP Telephony book!

2000-09-08 Thread Daniel Boutet



Follow the link, after answering the questionnaire, for cco guest instead of
login in. You can always apply for a CCO membeship account as a reseller!



"FREDL L AZARES" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> How can I get one if I don't have a customer code?
>
> On Thu, 7 Sep 2000 14:35:11 -0600 "Daniel Boutet"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > I had quite a few replies sent to my personal address. Please if you
> > have
> > any questions reply to the group.
> > Someone else in the group might be interested.
> >
> > As far as the Free IP Telephony book:  by doing a search in the
> > archives I
> > came up with:
> >
> >
> >
> http://www.cisco.com/pcgi-bin/lm/buffer/offer/govgameplan/1371_gov_jump/V
> 458
> > -100S1
> >
> > I think that the last person to post this link was Ed Farmer. So
> > Thank you
> > Ed!
> >
> >
> >
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> > > Now I can say that some things are free. I just received my FREE
> > IP
> > > Telephony book.by Gorolski & Kolon.
> > > Anyone read it yet? Care to comment.?
> > >
> > > Thanks to the GROUP for the link and to Cisco for the book!
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Re: Drive, Motivation and Determination !!!!!!!!

2000-09-08 Thread Daniel Boutet

Dale,

I do have my CCNA and I also wrote the BCRAN exam and I am on the verge of
writing my Switching exam.
I also have my CCO account and did get the Sales Tool Central cd. I had also
ordered the Cisco product catalog prior to becoming a reseller.

I also want to reinforced the fact that I am in Edmonton, Alberta CANADA
(hey!) and that for me to take a hands-on
instructor led course (I then get lab access for 5 days) it cost $2600 or so
of canadian buckaroo.
(which converted in US $ is  about10 cases of Coors Lite ). Seeing the real
thing and doing virtual lab is
two different thing. I like to get down and dirty and practice till I know
what I am doing. This has always been my priority. I always was able to
afford
Lan Hardware and software. But Cisco stuff is another thing. I
know that there is tons of people in this situatiuon. They want to move from
network administrator to internetworking and the only means to learn are
BOOKS!

I do understand that I will be a paper CCNP (my goal for now) and I will not
be afraid to confirm my ignorance as far as hands-on. But I will understand
the concepts and have a good understanding of the different required
configurations. I have been reading almost all of the related emails in this
group for close to two months now. As you can see I am dedicating my time to
learning as best as I can with the resources that I have.

To be fair to Cisco's local office, I have to say that after the "cold
shower" they gave me the first time around, I haven't called them since.
I feel that I should know a little more in order to be able to pinpoint
better my hands-on needs. I will call them again soon. Hope that they are a
little more cooperative.




""Dale Holmes"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> Daniel - since you just started your own consulting firm, become a Cisco
> reseller. Once you get a few entry level certs (CCNA, CCDA, Sales Expert),
> you will find that Cisco will be very accomodating in terms of resources
and
> practice labs, etc. They offer a lot of stuff to their partners to help
them
> get certified. Right now they have a promotion where partners can take
> certification classes at $500 instead of the usual $1200 - $1800... There
is
> even a special 2 for 1 deal (2 classes for $500).
>
> Cisco has a program called ASET (Advanced System Engineer Training) which
> you can take in San Jose. It looks and feels just like the actual lab
exam,
> except that there is a CCIE there to help you, and you can talk amongst
the
> others there to find solutiuons to the problems you encounter...
>
> Become a Cisco partner - it is worth the effort...
>
> Dale
> [=`)
>
>
> >From: "Daniel Boutet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: "Daniel Boutet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: Drive, Motivation and Determination 
> >Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 07:50:06 -0600
> >
> >I totally agree with you Terrence. I do not have the opportunity to work
> >with Cisco Products except AccessPro cards (2).
> >I also just started my own consulting firm, so it is not easy to be able
to
> >buy the right equipment to paractice on. (NO $ available right now)
> >
> >I have other certs CNE (3,4,5), MCSE, A+ where I get to practice my
skills
> >everyday.
> >I also have CCA but do not get to work on Citrix anymore. Not a lot of
> >firms
> >know about this product Citrix doesn't even have a demo version for labs.
> >All they provide is a virtual demo room in FLA.
> >
> >There is also a time factor. I dedicate my time to working and trying to
> >build a customer base. The time that I can spend in my lab is minimal.
> >When you decide to study certification like Cisco it would be nice that
> >Cisco would let us use their lab. After all we are supporting their
> >products.
> >Wouldn't it make sense for them to want certified people that at least
saw
> >their products (inside and out) and have minimal hands on?
> >
> >When I first started this certification I phone my local Cisco office and
> >asked them if they had a lab I could use. I was turned away as if I was
> >crazy.
> >How is a person suppose to get real hands on in Edmonton Alberta? After I
> >get more knowledge (books) I will try to give my time freely to get
> >some
> >experience.
> >
> >Just my two cents.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >""Terrence Garrison"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > > lets face it. Any Certification that has no lab
> > > can be obtain

Re: MAC Address support for c1900 series

2000-09-09 Thread Daniel Boutet

So basically it's a "trunk link" that you set as a "network port"? Or is it
just any port that are basically not use a
whole lot and you do not mind having the broadcast whenever a MAC needs to
be learned so that way your CAM
table stays within the 1024 address range for the 1900's? Doesn't the CAM
work on a FIFO base?

I am still not too clear on this.
Also, what is the command on the switch to tell it that it's a network port?


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>
>The little switches have a limited MAC address table. If you know you
have a
> link where they're going to see more MACs than they can hold you set it to
be a
> 'network' port and the switch doesn't learn MACs from there. This is meant
for
> a large campus environment where you have a 19xx serving a workgroup.
I've
> worked on some real cluster (*#&$%s over the years and I've never seen a
real
> world situation where this would be needed.
>
>
>    I'd like to hear from anyone else if they've been in some shop of
horrors
> where this configuration was required.
>
>
>
> Daniel Boutet wrote:
>
> > I was looking at the specs and it says that it supports 1024 MAC
address. My
> > understanding is that it is what the CAM table will support at one time.
> > But the specs also states:
> >
> > "Unlimited MAC addresses support on configurable network port"
> >
> > This, I don't get. Can anyone explain?
> >
> > Thanks
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Re: BCMSN: STP topology changes

2000-09-10 Thread Daniel Boutet


Ole

I am not 100% sure but I think that you forgot that it is only meant to age
out the entry faster that the default value of
300 sec or 5 minutes. There are also the Hello msg  that tells a switch
which port is actually "live". If you read a little further on page 159
there is mention of  timers for bpdu lifetime.

Hope this helps to clarify.



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> I am not sure if it's me running on 50% power this Sunday morning (most
> likely), if it's the book that is written like a white house speech, or if
> it's both. Anyway, the reason for this e-mail is that I am reading
something
> that to me doesn't make sense.
>
> For those of you who would like to comment on this, if you have Cisco
Press'
> BCMSN book, I am refereing to "Handling Topology Changes in Spanning Tree"
> on pages 142 and 143.
>
> If you do not have that book, here's a quick description:
>
> Switch A is the ROOT bridge.
>
> Switch B and C are both connected to Switch A.
>
> Switch D is connected to both Switch B and C.
>
> Switch E is connected to Switch D.
>
> Since A and D can see each other through both Switch B and C, the
connection
> between D and C is blocked.
>
> The situation is that Switch D's link to E fails, and Switch D sends a
> notice to Switch A (the root bridge) via Switch B.
>
> The root bridge (Switch A) now sets the topology change in its
configuration
> for a period of time equal to the sum of the fwd delay and max age
> parameters.
>
> According to step 5 (in the book): "A bridge receiving the topology change
> configuration message from the root bridge uses the fwd delay timer to age
> out entries in its address table. This allows it to age out entries faster
> than the normal five-minute default so that stations that are no longer
> available due to the topology change will be aged out faster. It does this
> until it no longer receives topology change configuration messages from
the
> root bridge."
>
> The last line in that quote makes it sound like it keeps receiving
messages
> about the link E being down until it's up again - but what if the Switch E
> never comes up again because it was sold to someone else - will the root
> bridge keep sending messages about it forever??? - I don't think so, but
> that is how I read it.
>
> Can someone please clarify this for me?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Ole
>
> 
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